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On April 26 2011 00:24 Eishi_Ki wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2011 00:07 thesideshow wrote:On April 26 2011 00:06 redviper wrote: A quick search through the book doesn't bring it up. Do you remember anythign else about the 2nd guy? Dothraki warrior during the wedding? He's talking about Gared, who was killed by the White Walker in the first episodes prologue, NOT Will. Why would people have a problem with that?(over the other)
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On April 26 2011 00:29 Sm3agol wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2011 00:24 Eishi_Ki wrote:On April 26 2011 00:07 thesideshow wrote:On April 26 2011 00:06 redviper wrote: A quick search through the book doesn't bring it up. Do you remember anythign else about the 2nd guy? Dothraki warrior during the wedding? He's talking about Gared, who was killed by the White Walker in the first episodes prologue, NOT Will. Why would people have a problem with that?(over the other)
One last time, we know he is talking about Gared. What baffles me is does it really require an explanation? The white walkers are the fucking undead lol............... Like seriously, if you cant't add 1+1 then this show really isn't for you.
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Just finished the 1 book, never heard of this before this post... altough I find it odd how the chapter are written, I found my self going foward and backwards just to see what happends next. The history is fantastic. Going right know to buy the second book.
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On April 26 2011 00:35 chickenhawk wrote:Just finished the 1 book, never heard of this before this post... altough I find it odd how the chapter are written, I found my self going foward and backwards just to see what happends next. The history is fantastic. Going right know to buy the second book. + Show Spoiler +
+ Show Spoiler +his fate is unknown, but he does not reappear in books 2-4 (except when Arya remembers what he taught her). Arya believes him dead however.
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On April 26 2011 00:34 Arkless wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2011 00:29 Sm3agol wrote:On April 26 2011 00:24 Eishi_Ki wrote:On April 26 2011 00:07 thesideshow wrote:On April 26 2011 00:06 redviper wrote: A quick search through the book doesn't bring it up. Do you remember anythign else about the 2nd guy? Dothraki warrior during the wedding? He's talking about Gared, who was killed by the White Walker in the first episodes prologue, NOT Will. Why would people have a problem with that?(over the other) One last time, we know he is talking about Gared. What baffles me is does it really require an explanation? The white walkers are the fucking undead lol............... Like seriously, if you cant't add 1+1 then this show really isn't for you. Correct me if I am wrong, but here is how i'm thinking this is going.
1. Of course I agree that it's absurd that viewers are more outraged over the direwolf's death than the man's but I feel like it's important to point out that the man DID do something seriously wrong. He took an oath never to leave the wall and to be a member of the Night's Watch for life and when he took that oath he knew the penalty for desertion was death. If you make a choice to take an oath when you know the price for betraying that oath is death then there's no way to claim that his death wasn't deserved.
2. What did the guy who had his head removed and thrown by the whitewalker do wrong? the fact that you didn't even recall it shows how much of an impression it made on you. Clearly mixing up the guy executed by ned and the guy killed by the night walker.
3. Then it gets really farking confusing when the guy implies the guy killed by the night walker was killed for running from the night Watch? Wtf?
He deserted the men he was with to die, and broke his oath. And thats what got him beheaded.
4. What what in in the the f f?
Dothraki warrior during the wedding?
Even I'm getting confused now.
5. Man you're retarded. One beheading at the begining. And buddys throat gets slit at the wedding for OBVIOUSLY pushing one guy away from the chick he was banging...... CAN U NOT SEE?l2read the entire post series and you will see him asking why the guy from the nightwatch gets beheaded. And if u cant read here it is again Of course their is the guy who got beheaded from the white walkers...... but I thought that didnt need to be explained.... they are evil incarnate. If that had to be explained to you then I wonder about your intelligence. Usually when a for a lack of a better term, ZOMBIE is around, you can assume he kills for w/e reason. RAGE RAGE
6. He's talking about Gared, who was killed by the White Walker in the first episodes prologue, NOT Will.
Someone has watched the show it seems.
7. Why would people have a problem with that?(over the other)
Me, going WAAAYYY back to the start of this, wondering why a guy getting killed by some demon guy would be more traumatizing than having a guy you can empathize with get beheaded in cold blood by a guy you will probably like at the moment.
8. And now we're back to raging about the guy killed by the white walkers, even though that's not what the first guy was talking about in the first place. Nice. I think Ive played this game back n middle school before.
One last time, we know he is talking about Gared. What baffles me is does it really require an explanation? The white walkers are the fucking undead lol............... Like seriously, if you cant't add 1+1 then this show really isn't for you.
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On April 26 2011 00:12 Arkless wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2011 00:01 Disquiet wrote:On April 25 2011 23:59 Arkless wrote:On April 25 2011 23:55 Disquiet wrote:On April 25 2011 23:51 -Frog- wrote:On April 25 2011 23:35 Disquiet wrote:Also note how they did not actually show the wolf being killed, yet were happy to show a man who really did nothing seriously wrong being beheaded. I think its sad that the average American is so misanthropic they can stomach humans being brutally murdered but animals dying is too upsetting for them. The world really is a fucked up place these days. Anyway onto the actual show, I loved it, episode 2 was much better than episode 1(which was still great) in my opinion. Of course I agree that it's absurd that viewers are more outraged over the direwolf's death than the man's but I feel like it's important to point out that the man DID do something seriously wrong. He took an oath never to leave the wall and to be a member of the Night's Watch for life and when he took that oath he knew the penalty for desertion was death. If you make a choice to take an oath when you know the price for betraying that oath is death then there's no way to claim that his death wasn't deserved. What did the guy who had his head removed and thrown by the whitewalker do wrong? the fact that you didn't even recall it shows how much of an impression it made on you. He deserted the men he was with to die, and broke his oath. And thats what got him beheaded. NOT THAT GUY. There were 2 beheadings in the first episode, you people can't even remember that? Man you're retarded. One beheading at the begining. And buddys throat gets slit at the wedding for OBVIOUSLY pushing one guy away from the chick he was banging...... CAN U NOT SEE?l2read the entire post series and you will see him asking why the guy from the nightwatch gets beheaded. And if u cant read here it is again Of course their is the guy who got beheaded from the white walkers...... but I thought that didnt need to be explained.... they are evil incarnate. If that had to be explained to you then I wonder about your intelligence. Usually when a for a lack of a better term, ZOMBIE is around, you can assume he kills for w/e reason. Please learn to follow a discussion and try to make a point without resorting to ad hominem attacks.
I was saying that its amusing and sad that people are upset about a direwolf being killed whereas nobody cares about the humans. To which somebody countered its because the human wasn't innocent, which I then countered by mentioning gared, he was an innocent who died too.
Now that I've explained it so that you can understand, I'd appreciate it if you would retract your statement because it appears that you are in fact the one with inferior intelligence.
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On April 25 2011 23:55 floor exercise wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2011 23:16 Mattes wrote:On April 25 2011 23:09 floor exercise wrote: Spoilers suck but on the other hand it's a 15 year old book That shouldnt have any effect. This thread is about the tv-show, and therefore it should be treated this way. There is a thread for the books, and it should be used for everything upwards of the upcoming tv-episodes. Whoever spoils certain things should be punished for it. Think about it, certain information mentioned without much thought, can ruin not only this season but even some of the books in their entirety, and therefore the whole experience for people that maybe dont know the books, but hugely enjoy the show and think about reading the books afterwards. Why should every single person who has read the books have to worry about what they are saying because you haven't? I just don't see why the burden is on other people to make sure you aren't spoiled on a TV adaptation of an incredibly popular book. I just see a lot of valid discussion about the adaption being hindered by spoiler tags so that people can say "wait they are brother and sister?" and "joffrey is a fag lol" Maybe a spoiler free thread is needed in addition to one for spoilers. This thread alone is 2.5 years old, people had plenty of time to read the books if they had an interest. And if they didn't I don't really see why it falls to those that did to maintain another persons level of ignorance. I mean couldn't they just continue to not read things?
There is a thread about the books already. Talking about events that happen in books 1-2-3-4 etc. are not relevant to this thread at ALL as its about the TV series. All you are doing is ruining a really good show for people by spoiling it for no good reason. I have read the books so I can read the spoilers fine but none of them need to be in this thread at all.
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On April 26 2011 00:45 Disquiet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2011 00:12 Arkless wrote:On April 26 2011 00:01 Disquiet wrote:On April 25 2011 23:59 Arkless wrote:On April 25 2011 23:55 Disquiet wrote:On April 25 2011 23:51 -Frog- wrote:On April 25 2011 23:35 Disquiet wrote:Also note how they did not actually show the wolf being killed, yet were happy to show a man who really did nothing seriously wrong being beheaded. I think its sad that the average American is so misanthropic they can stomach humans being brutally murdered but animals dying is too upsetting for them. The world really is a fucked up place these days. Anyway onto the actual show, I loved it, episode 2 was much better than episode 1(which was still great) in my opinion. Of course I agree that it's absurd that viewers are more outraged over the direwolf's death than the man's but I feel like it's important to point out that the man DID do something seriously wrong. He took an oath never to leave the wall and to be a member of the Night's Watch for life and when he took that oath he knew the penalty for desertion was death. If you make a choice to take an oath when you know the price for betraying that oath is death then there's no way to claim that his death wasn't deserved. What did the guy who had his head removed and thrown by the whitewalker do wrong? the fact that you didn't even recall it shows how much of an impression it made on you. He deserted the men he was with to die, and broke his oath. And thats what got him beheaded. NOT THAT GUY. There were 2 beheadings in the first episode, you people can't even remember that? Man you're retarded. One beheading at the begining. And buddys throat gets slit at the wedding for OBVIOUSLY pushing one guy away from the chick he was banging...... CAN U NOT SEE?l2read the entire post series and you will see him asking why the guy from the nightwatch gets beheaded. And if u cant read here it is again Of course their is the guy who got beheaded from the white walkers...... but I thought that didnt need to be explained.... they are evil incarnate. If that had to be explained to you then I wonder about your intelligence. Usually when a for a lack of a better term, ZOMBIE is around, you can assume he kills for w/e reason. Please learn to follow a discussion and try to make a point without resorting to ad hominem attacks. I was saying that its amusing and sad that people are upset about a direwolf being killed whereas nobody cares about the humans. To which somebody countered its because the human wasn't innocent, which I then countered by mentioning gared, he was an innocent who died too. Now that I've explained it so that you can understand, I'd appreciate it if you would retract your statement because it appears that you are in fact the one with inferior intelligence.
Only thing I will retract is calling you retarded. I won't retract anything else. The fact that Gared getting beheaded is being cut down is retarded. They are fucking undead, thats why Gared was killed. I like your use of a thesaurus for all your new found big words though. Was Gared "innocent"? Not really, he is apart of the night watch who take an oath to defend the wall from shit like the white walkers and other. He was killed because he was going to kill the white walkers, and in their eyes he is anything but innocent.
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heh i always remember first episode of walking dead feeling bad for the horse than any other death in that show. i felt the same way here with sansa's direwolf
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On April 26 2011 00:50 Coolbeans wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2011 23:55 floor exercise wrote:On April 25 2011 23:16 Mattes wrote:On April 25 2011 23:09 floor exercise wrote: Spoilers suck but on the other hand it's a 15 year old book That shouldnt have any effect. This thread is about the tv-show, and therefore it should be treated this way. There is a thread for the books, and it should be used for everything upwards of the upcoming tv-episodes. Whoever spoils certain things should be punished for it. Think about it, certain information mentioned without much thought, can ruin not only this season but even some of the books in their entirety, and therefore the whole experience for people that maybe dont know the books, but hugely enjoy the show and think about reading the books afterwards. Why should every single person who has read the books have to worry about what they are saying because you haven't? I just don't see why the burden is on other people to make sure you aren't spoiled on a TV adaptation of an incredibly popular book. I just see a lot of valid discussion about the adaption being hindered by spoiler tags so that people can say "wait they are brother and sister?" and "joffrey is a fag lol" Maybe a spoiler free thread is needed in addition to one for spoilers. This thread alone is 2.5 years old, people had plenty of time to read the books if they had an interest. And if they didn't I don't really see why it falls to those that did to maintain another persons level of ignorance. I mean couldn't they just continue to not read things? There is a thread about the books already. Talking about events that happen in books 1-2-3-4 etc. are not relevant to this thread at ALL as its about the TV series. All you are doing is ruining a really good show for people by spoiling it for no good reason. I have read the books so I can read the spoilers fine but none of them need to be in this thread at all. I agree with this. Spoiler tags should be a minimum in this thread and talking about future events outside what TV series has shown so far WITHOUT spoilers tags should be a banable offense. If you cannot keep your post spoiler and hint free you should not be allowed to post here at all.
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It's so nice how an internet forum can mutate basically any discussion to people bashing based on nitpicking points that were in no way relevant to the starting discussion. I thought the whole beheading thing started out as a question of why nobody reacts to images like
this
while
this
is waay over the line.
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On April 26 2011 01:10 veganwa wrote:It's so nice how an internet forum can mutate basically any discussion to people bashing based on nitpicking points that were in no way relevant to the starting discussion. I thought the whole beheading thing started out as a question of why nobody reacts to images like thiswhile thisis waay over the line.
I understand the argument, but I think it has more to do with the fact that he executes a defensless chained animal. As apposed to men with oaths and swords who know what they are doing. Personally, I don't want to see the wolf get stabbed while it's chained up. Keep watching though, I know for a fact that animals get killed on the reg and probably won't be suggested violence. Not to mention the fact that they were try to capture starks emotions while he executed it, hence why it was centered on his face.....
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Is this one of the drama series that the episodes connects together?
Edit: Yes it does connect.
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On April 26 2011 01:27 Prissy wrote: Is this one of the drama series that the episodes connects together? If you mean that the whole season tells a story instead of each episode then the answer is yes.
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On April 26 2011 01:06 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2011 00:50 Coolbeans wrote:On April 25 2011 23:55 floor exercise wrote:On April 25 2011 23:16 Mattes wrote:On April 25 2011 23:09 floor exercise wrote: Spoilers suck but on the other hand it's a 15 year old book That shouldnt have any effect. This thread is about the tv-show, and therefore it should be treated this way. There is a thread for the books, and it should be used for everything upwards of the upcoming tv-episodes. Whoever spoils certain things should be punished for it. Think about it, certain information mentioned without much thought, can ruin not only this season but even some of the books in their entirety, and therefore the whole experience for people that maybe dont know the books, but hugely enjoy the show and think about reading the books afterwards. Why should every single person who has read the books have to worry about what they are saying because you haven't? I just don't see why the burden is on other people to make sure you aren't spoiled on a TV adaptation of an incredibly popular book. I just see a lot of valid discussion about the adaption being hindered by spoiler tags so that people can say "wait they are brother and sister?" and "joffrey is a fag lol" Maybe a spoiler free thread is needed in addition to one for spoilers. This thread alone is 2.5 years old, people had plenty of time to read the books if they had an interest. And if they didn't I don't really see why it falls to those that did to maintain another persons level of ignorance. I mean couldn't they just continue to not read things? There is a thread about the books already. Talking about events that happen in books 1-2-3-4 etc. are not relevant to this thread at ALL as its about the TV series. All you are doing is ruining a really good show for people by spoiling it for no good reason. I have read the books so I can read the spoilers fine but none of them need to be in this thread at all. I agree with this. Spoiler tags should be a minimum in this thread and talking about future events outside what TV series has shown so far WITHOUT spoilers tags should be a banable offense. If you cannot keep your post spoiler and hint free you should not be allowed to post here at all.
the spoiler tags should also be used correctly. Like so:
+ Show Spoiler [Book 2-4 information] +
instead of plain spoiler tags with no intent. People that haven't read the books don't know if it's spoilers relating to the current discussion or things that are secret and may effect the series for them.
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On April 26 2011 01:27 Prissy wrote: Is this one of the drama series that the episodes connects together?
Edit: Yes it does connect.
Yes, and episode 2 was last night so I suggest hoping on board asap as it is sooo good. And have read the books I am extremely happy with the consistencies between the two. Don't listen to the nitpickers who are mad they didnt cast a bunch of 16 year olds because of them getting naked.
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Hey, could anyone be so nice to break down the religion in Westeros if it is possible without spoilers? iirc the bitch queen and lady Stark prayed to different beeings. Also the soundtrack matches this amazing series perfectly. I really like it.
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On April 26 2011 00:45 Disquiet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2011 00:12 Arkless wrote:On April 26 2011 00:01 Disquiet wrote:On April 25 2011 23:59 Arkless wrote:On April 25 2011 23:55 Disquiet wrote:On April 25 2011 23:51 -Frog- wrote:On April 25 2011 23:35 Disquiet wrote:Also note how they did not actually show the wolf being killed, yet were happy to show a man who really did nothing seriously wrong being beheaded. I think its sad that the average American is so misanthropic they can stomach humans being brutally murdered but animals dying is too upsetting for them. The world really is a fucked up place these days. Anyway onto the actual show, I loved it, episode 2 was much better than episode 1(which was still great) in my opinion. Of course I agree that it's absurd that viewers are more outraged over the direwolf's death than the man's but I feel like it's important to point out that the man DID do something seriously wrong. He took an oath never to leave the wall and to be a member of the Night's Watch for life and when he took that oath he knew the penalty for desertion was death. If you make a choice to take an oath when you know the price for betraying that oath is death then there's no way to claim that his death wasn't deserved. What did the guy who had his head removed and thrown by the whitewalker do wrong? the fact that you didn't even recall it shows how much of an impression it made on you. He deserted the men he was with to die, and broke his oath. And thats what got him beheaded. NOT THAT GUY. There were 2 beheadings in the first episode, you people can't even remember that? Man you're retarded. One beheading at the begining. And buddys throat gets slit at the wedding for OBVIOUSLY pushing one guy away from the chick he was banging...... CAN U NOT SEE?l2read the entire post series and you will see him asking why the guy from the nightwatch gets beheaded. And if u cant read here it is again Of course their is the guy who got beheaded from the white walkers...... but I thought that didnt need to be explained.... they are evil incarnate. If that had to be explained to you then I wonder about your intelligence. Usually when a for a lack of a better term, ZOMBIE is around, you can assume he kills for w/e reason. Please learn to follow a discussion and try to make a point without resorting to ad hominem attacks. I was saying that its amusing and sad that people are upset about a direwolf being killed whereas nobody cares about the humans. To which somebody countered its because the human wasn't innocent, which I then countered by mentioning gared, he was an innocent who died too. Now that I've explained it so that you can understand, I'd appreciate it if you would retract your statement because it appears that you are in fact the one with inferior intelligence.
If gared and the direwolf would have switched roles then you would see the same reaction by those people and they would have some sympathy for gared. Imagine gared being killed in the hands of Eddard for something he didn't do and then imagine the direwolf being killed in the woods by the white walkers. I think then, people would not sympathize for the wolf.
They only mentioned the guy that was beheaded for abandoning his job because that was the only semi-logical person that you would possibly think that people should feel sorry for. Especially since the kill was by the hands of the same person. But if you think people are going to be sympathize for gared, that's like feeling sorry for any other person in a movie that just dies in a cut scene.
He's mocking your intelligence because why would you relate the direwolf's death to gared death from a white walker, there was no emotional attachment to it. The direwolf died to the hands of the the people that raised her (all the direwolves in general have been protecting the starks) when Eddard knew that direwolf didn't do anything wrong.
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On April 26 2011 01:32 Mavkar wrote: Hey, could anyone be so nice to break down the religion in Westeros if it is possible without spoilers? iirc the bitch queen and lady Stark prayed to different beeings. Also the soundtrack matches this amazing series perfectly. I really like it.
I would honestly hit up wiki, or go and buy the books (or dl an e book) as it is alot of info.
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As of now where does Eps 2 stand in the 1st book's timeline?
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