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Too_MuchZerg
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karazax
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Fruscainte
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Dear God that must have been horrifying. | ||
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Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
On April 30 2013 03:01 karazax wrote: The problem is that Robb is some what of a hypocrit compared to his father. Robb executes Karstark for treason, imprisons his mother for treason, but doesn't seem to see anything wrong with betraying the Freys just because he felt like it. Yes, love was his reason, but no noble really gets to marry out of love. His actions were incredibly selfish. Robb hasn't committed treason. You're right overall, though. | ||
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Mentalizor
Denmark1596 Posts
On April 30 2013 03:14 Fruscainte wrote: I just remembered halfway through that duel about the Hound and his fear of fire. Dear God that must have been horrifying. I was kindda surprise they didn't emphisize (spelling lol?) that. I mean, sure, we've seen it a few times, but there's a ton of characters you need to remember - and his fear of fire should really make a difference in that fight. Somehow he kept his cool. I really wanted to know more about that scene | ||
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Fruscainte
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On April 30 2013 03:18 Mentalizor wrote: I was kindda surprise they didn't emphisize (spelling lol?) that. I mean, sure, we've seen it a few times, but there's a ton of characters you need to remember - and his fear of fire should really make a difference in that fight. Somehow he kept his cool. I really wanted to know more about that scene Well I started to really notice it when his shield caught fire and he was frantically beating it and just freaking out. | ||
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Mentalizor
Denmark1596 Posts
On April 30 2013 03:19 Fruscainte wrote: Well I started to really notice it when his shield caught fire and he was frantically beating it and just freaking out. Well... Not knowing if you have a fear of fire......... wouldn't you do the same? | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On April 30 2013 03:19 Fruscainte wrote: Well I started to really notice it when his shield caught fire and he was frantically beating it and just freaking out. Also he had that horrified look on his face when Dondarrion ignited his sword and several times during the fight. | ||
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Emnjay808
United States10665 Posts
Anyways, on that note: I hope we get to uncover more about the Clegane brothers. I felt like the character development for them in season 1 and 2 was pretty poor. I want to know more, but Im sure other people really dont care much about them at this point. There are like 15 other stories to follow atm. | ||
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Doppelganger
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On April 30 2013 03:19 Fruscainte wrote: Well I started to really notice it when his shield caught fire and he was frantically beating it and just freaking out. Actually you see him reacting to fire a lot. Last ep:When they pulled of the bag on his head he realized the fire and immediately stepped back. This ep: When Dondarion lights his sword he is taken aback and when they engage his face is pretty much an expression of: Well fuck you for this shit! | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On April 30 2013 02:50 KadaverBB wrote: You're not the only one. I totally get why he did it, it was just a poor decision when it comes to actually winning the war  Karstark taunted Robb because he thought he was unable to do it. It is obvious that he perceived him as too weak etc. Robb had to do it, otherwise even more would not have taken him serious anymore. And they not only killed the Lannisters but also the guards. It was simply treason and murder, and there was only one possible response. Even Karstark seemed to agree with the sentence. | ||
KadaverBB
Germany25657 Posts
On April 30 2013 03:27 Redox wrote: Karstark taunted Robb because he thought he was unable to do it. It is obvious that he perceived him as too weak etc. Robb had to do it, otherwise even more would not have taken him serious anymore. And they not only killed the Lannisters but also the guards. It was simply treason and murder, and there was only one possible response. Even Karstark seemed to agree with the sentence. Good point. I guess Robb was pretty much fucked in that situation. Either let Karstark taunt you and look weak to your men, or kill him and lose half your forces because they are loyal to Karstark and will abandon you. | ||
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Whole
United States6046 Posts
On April 30 2013 03:25 Doppelganger wrote: Actually you see him reacting to fire a lot. Last ep:When they pulled of the bag on his head he realized the fire and immediately stepped back. This ep: When Dondarion lights his sword he is taken aback and when they engage his face is pretty much an expression of: Well fuck you for this shit! And at the end, he was just totally frenzied after he couldn't take the shield off. Whenever he failed to take the shield off, that last attack was out of pure desperation it seems. Also, I love how gimmicky the wildfire sword is. After a long battle, the heat weakens it, and he can slice through it like butter. I absolutely love how they don't just stop at "Oh cool, a fire sword" and bring it a step further by showing it melt in a prolonged fight. Love it. Also, I noticed that a lot of the Fire Lord stuff takes life force as part of it's ritual. Stannis making the shadow baby weakened him (because he can't have another son; too weak) and the guy who keeps getting resurrected keeps getting weaker each time. This supports the claim (that someone made earlier) that Varys' sorcerer is also in that Lord of Light cult because of how he had to sacrifice life (Varys' privates) into fire for magic. On April 30 2013 03:31 KadaverBB wrote: Good point. I guess Robb was pretty much fucked in that situation. Either let Karstark taunt you and look weak to your men, or kill him and lose half your forces because they are loyal to Karstark and will abandon you. Also, it seems that if Robb would've took Karstark as a hostage to keep the forces, in addition to all of his forces losing faith in their leader, the Karstark portion of the forces would be especially low on morale because they're just fighting simply because their lord is hostage, not because they believe in Robb. That situation might have also caused reason for rebellion among the Karstark forces. | ||
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karazax
United States3737 Posts
On April 30 2013 03:22 Emnjay808 wrote: Anyways, on that note: I hope we get to uncover more about the Clegane brothers. I felt like the character development for them in season 1 and 2 was pretty poor. I want to know more, but Im sure other people really dont care much about them at this point. There are like 15 other stories to follow atm. Well if you haven't seen it yet, this is the audition the actor did for the Hound, where the Hound tells Sansa of how he got his face burned rather than Littlefinger: | ||
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karazax
United States3737 Posts
On April 30 2013 03:31 KadaverBB wrote: Good point. I guess Robb was pretty much fucked in that situation. Either let Karstark taunt you and look weak to your men, or kill him and lose half your forces because they are loyal to Karstark and will abandon you. Well he did have the option of keeping him imprisoned as punishment as he was counciled to do. | ||
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United States6046 Posts
On April 30 2013 03:34 karazax wrote: Well he did have the option of keeping him imprisoned as punishment as he was counciled to do. Do you think that would've been bad for troop morale though? Robb would be seen as too weak to execute, and the Karstark forces would only be fighting because their lord is hostage. | ||
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karazax
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Sub40APM
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FREEloss_ca
Canada603 Posts
His men are already losing faith in him: He married a foreign girl instead of a northern girl, in addition to this he broke his vows to marry her. ("Treat your vows recklessly and so will your bannermen - Catlyn"). His men haven't seen combat in a number of months; they found 200 of their brothers butchered at Harranhal, where as Rob has been imprisoning/feeding all the Lannister prisoners. Plus they marched to River Run for the funeral, which I'm sure many men saw as a poor decision (like Lord Karstark did). To top it all off, winter is coming, and many of the men want to go home and prepare their households (there's a lot of farming and repairs to be done; basically a ton of preparation that needs to be done that isn't getting done as all the men are at war). Now he's faced with executing Lord Karstark and losing a large portion of his forces, or keeping him alive and looking like a weak king. As already said, the Starks are moral absolutists, and will do what honorable thing is to do, even if it has negative fallout for them; case in point, the demise of Ned Stark. Now Robb seems to be acting emotionally, and not logically, with his eager plan to take Casterly Rock. He's not only going to have to breach the defenses of Casterly Rock, but he's going to have to fight The Mountain (who's one of the top 3 fighters in all of Westeros) and his forces as well. I think Robb is going to follow Ned's footsteps and die for the sake of honor. | ||
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United States6046 Posts
On April 30 2013 03:42 Sub40APM wrote: Loyalty seems like such a weird thing in Game of Thrones. Why would Kastark men stay loyal to their Lord if that Lord betrayed their other Lord? Youd think they'd be relieved that they were no longer commanded by a mentally unstable man. But like others said, the fact that Robb screws over a key ally for a random field medic makes all his grand standing about honor hilarious hypocritical. Not to mention his weird decision to just keep marching around down South. Go home Robb, if your men disperse then so what? The South cant invade the North, especially not in the Middle of Winter. So you already won. From my understanding of feudalism, the peasants (which I guess make up most of the armies) are loyal to the lords, not the king. The Lord is the one who owns all of the land (which the peasants farm off of) and the ones who protect them from bandits and whatnot, not the King. So they don't give a shit who is king because they work for and are protected by the lords. I don't think the majority of the army give a shit about the politics. | ||
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