On April 30 2013 03:14 Fruscainte wrote: I just remembered halfway through that duel about the Hound and his fear of fire.
Dear God that must have been horrifying.
I was kindda surprise they didn't emphisize (spelling lol?) that. I mean, sure, we've seen it a few times, but there's a ton of characters you need to remember - and his fear of fire should really make a difference in that fight. Somehow he kept his cool. I really wanted to know more about that scene
Well I started to really notice it when his shield caught fire and he was frantically beating it and just freaking out.
Actually you see him reacting to fire a lot. Last ep:When they pulled of the bag on his head he realized the fire and immediately stepped back. This ep: When Dondarion lights his sword he is taken aback and when they engage his face is pretty much an expression of: Well fuck you for this shit!
And at the end, he was just totally frenzied after he couldn't take the shield off. Whenever he failed to take the shield off, that last attack was out of pure desperation it seems.
Also, I love how gimmicky the wildfire sword is. After a long battle, the heat weakens it, and he can slice through it like butter. I absolutely love how they don't just stop at "Oh cool, a fire sword" and bring it a step further by showing it melt in a prolonged fight. Love it.
Also, I noticed that a lot of the Fire Lord stuff takes life force as part of it's ritual. Stannis making the shadow baby weakened him (because he can't have another son; too weak) and the guy who keeps getting resurrected keeps getting weaker each time. This supports the claim (that someone made earlier) that Varys' sorcerer is also in that Lord of Light cult because of how he had to sacrifice life (Varys' privates) into fire for magic.
Wasn't the fire the sorcerer used in Varys' story made of blue flames?
On April 30 2013 03:50 FREEloss_ca wrote: As already said, the Starks are moral absolutists, and will do what honorable thing is to do, even if it has negative fallout for them; case in point, the demise of Ned Stark.
Except that if Robb really was a moral absolutist he would have kept his vow to the Freys despite his personal desires to marry some one else.
On April 30 2013 03:14 Fruscainte wrote: I just remembered halfway through that duel about the Hound and his fear of fire.
Dear God that must have been horrifying.
I was kindda surprise they didn't emphisize (spelling lol?) that. I mean, sure, we've seen it a few times, but there's a ton of characters you need to remember - and his fear of fire should really make a difference in that fight. Somehow he kept his cool. I really wanted to know more about that scene
Well I started to really notice it when his shield caught fire and he was frantically beating it and just freaking out.
Actually you see him reacting to fire a lot. Last ep:When they pulled of the bag on his head he realized the fire and immediately stepped back. This ep: When Dondarion lights his sword he is taken aback and when they engage his face is pretty much an expression of: Well fuck you for this shit!
And at the end, he was just totally frenzied after he couldn't take the shield off. Whenever he failed to take the shield off, that last attack was out of pure desperation it seems.
Also, I love how gimmicky the wildfire sword is. After a long battle, the heat weakens it, and he can slice through it like butter. I absolutely love how they don't just stop at "Oh cool, a fire sword" and bring it a step further by showing it melt in a prolonged fight. Love it.
Also, I noticed that a lot of the Fire Lord stuff takes life force as part of it's ritual. Stannis making the shadow baby weakened him (because he can't have another son; too weak) and the guy who keeps getting resurrected keeps getting weaker each time. This supports the claim (that someone made earlier) that Varys' sorcerer is also in that Lord of Light cult because of how he had to sacrifice life (Varys' privates) into fire for magic.
Wasn't the fire the sorcerer used in Varys' story made of blue flames?
Hmmm, I'm not sure. I don't really remember the exact details like some of the posters here, I just take their ideas and expand upon it lol. Even if they were, would it make a difference? I know the Lord of Light is all about redness, but fire is fire.
On April 30 2013 03:50 FREEloss_ca wrote: As already said, the Starks are moral absolutists, and will do what honorable thing is to do, even if it has negative fallout for them; case in point, the demise of Ned Stark.
Except that if Robb really was a moral absolutist he would have kept his vow to the Freys despite his personal desires to marry some one else.
Yeah, Ned Stark was a moral absolutist, but he ended up having a bastard son (Jon Snow). I guess they're hypocritical moral absolutists? Robb is following in the foot steps of Ned pretty closely (his marriage being analogous to Ned's infidelity), I'm sure his end will be much the same.
On April 30 2013 03:50 FREEloss_ca wrote: As already said, the Starks are moral absolutists, and will do what honorable thing is to do, even if it has negative fallout for them; case in point, the demise of Ned Stark.
Except that if Robb really was a moral absolutist he would have kept his vow to the Freys despite his personal desires to marry some one else.
Yeah, but Ned Stark was a moral absolutist, but he ended up having a bastard son (Jon Snow). I guess they're hypocritical moral absolutists? Robb is following in the foot steps of Ned pretty closely, I'm sure his end will be much the same.
Let's just wait for the full story to unwrap before our eyes in the TV series before talking more about Ned Stark's honor.
And yes, House Stark has most honor, even if House Arryn words are "High as Honor".
On April 30 2013 03:32 karazax wrote: Well if you haven't seen it yet, this is the audition the actor did for the Hound, where the Hound tells Sansa of how he got his face burned rather than Littlefinger:
I literally choked on my coffee when he began screaming at 0:58 :s
On April 30 2013 03:42 Sub40APM wrote: Loyalty seems like such a weird thing in Game of Thrones. Why would Kastark men stay loyal to their Lord if that Lord betrayed their other Lord? Youd think they'd be relieved that they were no longer commanded by a mentally unstable man. But like others said, the fact that Robb screws over a key ally for a random field medic makes all his grand standing about honor hilarious hypocritical. Not to mention his weird decision to just keep marching around down South. Go home Robb, if your men disperse then so what? The South cant invade the North, especially not in the Middle of Winter. So you already won.
random field medics?
that were supposed to be Willem Lannister(son of the brother of Tywin) and Tion Frey (got a Lannister mother) that fought on Jaimes side at the battle he lost. The show isnt really good at telling you who they are and i guess now that they are dead, its back story and not a spoiler to talk about them. They were valuable hostages for prisoner exchanges or maybe even help to seek reconciliation with the freys.
On April 30 2013 03:42 Sub40APM wrote: Loyalty seems like such a weird thing in Game of Thrones. Why would Kastark men stay loyal to their Lord if that Lord betrayed their other Lord? Youd think they'd be relieved that they were no longer commanded by a mentally unstable man. But like others said, the fact that Robb screws over a key ally for a random field medic makes all his grand standing about honor hilarious hypocritical. Not to mention his weird decision to just keep marching around down South. Go home Robb, if your men disperse then so what? The South cant invade the North, especially not in the Middle of Winter. So you already won.
random field medics?
that were supposed to be Willem Lannister(son of the brother of Tywin) and Tion Frey (got a Lannister mother) that fought on Jaimes side at the battle he lost. The show isnt really good at telling you who they are and i guess now that they are dead, its back story and not a spoiler to talk about them. They were valuable hostages for prisoner exchanges or maybe even help to seek reconciliation with the freys.
He was talking about screwing Talisa, the random field medic and breaking his vow to the Freys, but then making a big deal about others doing the honorable thing.
On April 30 2013 03:32 karazax wrote: Well if you haven't seen it yet, this is the audition the actor did for the Hound, where the Hound tells Sansa of how he got his face burned rather than Littlefinger:
Jaime is right. Ned wouldn't have listened. He didn't listen to the story of the deserter who saw the White Walkers, he just executed him. Dealing in absolutes makes Starks terrible rulers.
On April 30 2013 03:42 Sub40APM wrote: Loyalty seems like such a weird thing in Game of Thrones. Why would Kastark men stay loyal to their Lord if that Lord betrayed their other Lord? Youd think they'd be relieved that they were no longer commanded by a mentally unstable man. But like others said, the fact that Robb screws over a key ally for a random field medic makes all his grand standing about honor hilarious hypocritical. Not to mention his weird decision to just keep marching around down South. Go home Robb, if your men disperse then so what? The South cant invade the North, especially not in the Middle of Winter. So you already won.
"Winning" would be taking Joffrey's head for taking Ned's head, it was never about becoming king and/or gaining some form of independence. Robb even says something to the effect that the war used to have purpose and now they're all just floundering around.
Also to the people criticizing Loras's and Ygritt's (sp?) build:
In the middle ages, people were all around less "built." Even though you see knights wearing plate, even they were shorter and less built than the average person today (ignoring obesity and extremes that are prevalent today). Even if they were part of a rich family, they still did not have nearly the same amount of protein as we do now. So I do not think that they are unreasonably skinny...I actually think, if we wanted to be super accurate, the Hound and the Mountain are unreasonably big. But that's the whole point, it is fantasy after all. They're going to have some characters that will have exaggerated features (Hound's size and strength & Loras's skill in comparison to stature) because that's how we see some of the people in our lives. My cousin is some personal trainer & exercise freak. Everyone in my family thinks of him as the hulk, but if you look at it objectively, he isn't that big.
On April 30 2013 04:10 Zane wrote: Jaime is right. Ned wouldn't have listened. He didn't listen to the story of the deserter who saw the White Walkers, he just executed him. Dealing in absolutes makes Starks terrible rulers.
He did listen to the story of the deserter, he was just skeptical as White Walkers have been gone for thousands of years. The story was irrelevant though; breaking your vows is punished by death. It was his duty as Warden of the North to uphold the law.
On April 30 2013 04:10 Zane wrote: Jaime is right. Ned wouldn't have listened. He didn't listen to the story of the deserter who saw the White Walkers, he just executed him. Dealing in absolutes makes Starks terrible rulers.
Ned Stark was a terrible ruler? He was beloved by all his vassals and ran the North perfectly fine. Ned was portrayed as one of the best rulers in the show (maybe you could argue Tywin or Tyrion is "better", but that's up for debate).
On April 30 2013 04:10 Zane wrote: Jaime is right. Ned wouldn't have listened. He didn't listen to the story of the deserter who saw the White Walkers, he just executed him. Dealing in absolutes makes Starks terrible rulers.
Well to be fair, no Lord would have listened and believed the story of the white walkers. No one in the kingdoms except the men at the wall know they are real. Up until this point White walkers are just some story monsters from thousands of years ago.
If Jaime had told Ned, he might not have believed him at first but I'm fairly certain honourably Ned Stark would have taken the time to investigate and maybe look for the caches of wild fire the mad king had hidden around etc.
But of course that is just my guess on how it would have played out had Jaime told him.
On April 30 2013 04:10 Zane wrote: Jaime is right. Ned wouldn't have listened. He didn't listen to the story of the deserter who saw the White Walkers, he just executed him. Dealing in absolutes makes Starks terrible rulers.
Well to be fair, no Lord would have listened and believed the story of the white walkers. No one in the kingdoms except the men at the wall know they are real. Up until this point White walkers are just some story monsters from thousands of years ago.
If Jaime had told Ned, he might not have believed him at first but I'm fairly certain honourably Ned Stark would have taken the time to investigate and maybe look for the caches of wild fire the mad king had hidden around etc.
But of course that is just my guess on how it would have played out had Jaime told him.
I agree, that really bothered me as well. It's easy to prove Jaime's side of the story. The only justification is that maybe his pride got in the way. Jaime didn't care for the opinions of others so didn't feel the need to offer up an explanation.
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