EPTSeriously, plenty of dark in this episode imo. Although the credits music was really dumb.
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Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo
Germany2959 Posts
Seriously, plenty of dark in this episode imo. Although the credits music was really dumb. | ||
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armada[sb]
United States432 Posts
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SpikeStarcraft
Germany2095 Posts
Shhhhhhhhhhhht! :D | ||
zatic
Zurich15355 Posts
On April 16 2013 19:45 Shock710 wrote: still :/ hes just such a bad person. I dont see why they couldnt kill right now, go back to the wall with the girls, than order rotations of a few men and some women (if they oblige, probably use to sex, to go with them and keep them company) Sure the men are criminals (but mostly for stealing stuff right? nothing too bad, as i remember being pointed out in the season 1) but they probably wont ever be as bad that old guy! and again more baby boys and girls for the crows. Plus than they have one of their own at the safe house in the north. I still dont see why THAT particular old man is important (i see the point with the house in ur post) Well you are essentially asking why they don't dissolve their order, start whoring around and doing whatever they want. The easiest answer is that that would get them executed once order is restored in the North (and, they don't even know there is chaos right now / Winterfell burned). For their situation right now: Why on earth would they want to drag 20 weak women and children along with them, when they have barely anything to eat, no horses, and have the Wildlings and the blue eyed zombies after them. It's only in their best interest to leave them there and get along by themselves. | ||
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Fenrax
United States5018 Posts
On April 16 2013 20:14 Too_MuchZerg wrote: I wonder why did this episode have so many comical stuffs... - Archery scene - Chair scene - Podrick scene - Wolf bread/bun - ending music Weird episode, I hope it gets bit more serious/dark/tricky for future episodes. Neither the ending music nor the archery scene nor the wolf bread was funny. The bread scene was a happy-sad farewell scene but not comedy. The archery scene wasn't funny at all. Not serious / dark enough? In this episode we had - a fire funeral - a birth given to a boy that is supposed to be sacrificed to the dead men - Theon getting tortured - Theon getting beaten up - Theon almost getting raped - Theon's punishers getting killed - the "walk of punishment" where bloody beaten men are crucified to die of thirst on the streets - Brianne almost getting raped - Kingslayer getting his hand cut off Not sure how much more dark and serious you want in one episode... | ||
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Shock710
Australia6097 Posts
On April 16 2013 20:34 zatic wrote: Well you are essentially asking why they don't dissolve their order, start whoring around and doing whatever they want. The easiest answer is that that would get them executed once order is restored in the North (and, they don't even know there is chaos right now / Winterfell burned). For their situation right now: Why on earth would they want to drag 20 weak women and children along with them, when they have barely anything to eat, no horses, and have the Wildlings and the blue eyed zombies after them. It's only in their best interest to leave them there and get along by themselves. lol i guess ur right, the women would need to eat and stuff  just seems so depressing to leave them ;_; | ||
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zatic
Zurich15355 Posts
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Zandar
Netherlands1541 Posts
On April 16 2013 19:26 Shock710 wrote: I dont see why they couldnt kill right now, go back to the wall with the girls, than order rotations of a few men and some women (if they oblige, probably use to sex, to go with them and keep them company) Yes, girls that have been raped by their father their whole lives are probably very eager to have sex with strangers. | ||
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GWdeathscythe
Brazil1091 Posts
On April 16 2013 18:38 Scorch wrote: The chair scene was great as it showed much about the characters and conflicts without a single word. Very elegant storytelling. Littlefinger pushing to the front of the line is within the boundaries of normal, acceptable behavior. He's ambitious and wants the seat next to Tywin, so he takes it with a slight use of elbow. It's effective at trumping a surprised Varys, yet lacking finesse. Varys and Pycelle just take the next two seats without much ado, revealing them as filler material inferior to the others. Cersei goes out of her way to sit next to Tywin, thus particularly sucking up to him, and also asserting dominance over Littlefinger, Varys and Pycelle. She was too slow at first to get a good seat, so she thinks outside the box to make it very clear that she is of higher status than them. What Tyrion does may be viewed as childish, but that makes it all the more "in your face". He drags the chair as slowly and loudly as he can to annoy everyone, and places it at the other head of the table, a place reserved for the person of the highest status, in this case (at least) equal status to Tywin. It's also the most distant position from his father. This open affront is both an expression of personal father-son conflict and a challenge for the leading position. You, Sir, just post my thoughts when I first saw that scene. The acting and writing of this show is so good, they transmit many things without even say a word, as you pointed out. Also, I love any Tyrion and Tywin scenes. The only thing i desagree is when you say that Varys and Pycelle are filler material, well pycelle is just a marionette of Cersei, but Varys is a character very dangerous on the background, all his connections, "birds" and shit. | ||
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Too_MuchZerg
Finland2818 Posts
On April 16 2013 20:36 Fenrax wrote: Neither the ending music nor the archery scene nor the wolf bread was funny. The bread scene was a happy-sad farewell scene but not comedy. The archery scene wasn't funny at all. Not serious / dark enough? In this episode we had - a fire funeral - a birth given to a boy that is supposed to be sacrificed to the dead men - Theon getting tortured - Theon getting beaten up - Theon almost getting raped - Theon's punishers getting killed - the "walk of punishment" where bloody beaten men are crucified to die of thirst on the streets - Brianne almost getting raped - Kingslayer getting his hand cut off Not sure how much more dark and serious you want in one episode... I forgot jailed Lannister boys with funny talk. I mean this episode wasn't GoT standards for me (ending was superb though). This episode lacked major House synergies, the way they play "the game of thrones". Perhaps cutting that funeral for minute could give more airtime for more important story lines (why would I care if guy misses 3 times with arrow?). Tyrion/Podrick scene was not needed at all. Same for Lannister jail scene (who does that really serve?). Etc. Perhaps I am disappointed but this episode had some good scenes. Some I would skip for my rerun like Theon escaping. But then again season 2 started pretty weak too and it was pretty good in the end. | ||
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armada[sb]
United States432 Posts
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SpikeStarcraft
Germany2095 Posts
On April 16 2013 21:23 Too_MuchZerg wrote: I forgot jailed Lannister boys with funny talk. I mean this episode wasn't GoT standards for me (ending was superb though). This episode lacked major House synergies, the way they play "the game of thrones". Perhaps cutting that funeral for minute could give more airtime for more important story lines (why would I care if guy misses 3 times with arrow?). Tyrion/Podrick scene was not needed at all. Same for Lannister jail scene (who does that really serve?). Etc. Perhaps I am disappointed but this episode had some good scenes. Some I would skip for my rerun like Theon escaping. But then again season 2 started pretty weak too and it was pretty good in the end. That wasnt just some guy that was edmund tully now lord of riverrun and important ally to rob stark. The council scene was all about the game of thrones. Who is actually a player on court and who is only being played. Theres so much meaning in those scenes because you cant really spell it out in a tv show without being super boring. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10801 Posts
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Too_MuchZerg
Finland2818 Posts
On April 16 2013 21:30 SpikeStarcraft wrote: That wasnt just some guy that was edmund tully now lord of riverrun and important ally to rob stark. The council scene was all about the game of thrones. Who is actually a player on court and who is only being played. Theres so much meaning in those scenes because you cant really spell it out in a tv show without being super boring. Talk between Edmund and Robb was good and Small Council meeting too. Cant complain those and I didn't. Watching Daenarys buying 8000 slave soldiers and trading dragon for them is so clearly trap to pillage city and show strength for other Free Cities. Mormont and Barristan being clueless is what makes me confused. | ||
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Iranon
United States983 Posts
On April 16 2013 20:36 Fenrax wrote: Neither the ending music nor the archery scene nor the wolf bread was funny. The bread scene was a happy-sad farewell scene but not comedy. The archery scene wasn't funny at all. Not serious / dark enough? In this episode we had - a fire funeral - a birth given to a boy that is supposed to be sacrificed to the dead men - Theon getting tortured - Theon getting beaten up - Theon almost getting raped - Theon's punishers getting killed - the "walk of punishment" where bloody beaten men are crucified to die of thirst on the streets - Brianne almost getting raped - Kingslayer getting his hand cut off Not sure how much more dark and serious you want in one episode... Don't forget a giant crop circle made of chopped up horses! | ||
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TotalNightmare
Germany139 Posts
On April 16 2013 22:02 Iranon wrote: Don't forget a giant crop circle made of chopped up horses! Doesnt that make it a horse circle? | ||
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Vandrad
Germany951 Posts
On April 16 2013 22:02 Iranon wrote: Don't forget a giant crop circle made of chopped up horses! Since that scene Im sure the godfather rules the wight walkers. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7917 Posts
Like, if you don't respect your audience enough to think that without this fantasized prostitution for horny 15 yo macho virgins you won't get people interested, you got to reconsider your artistic integrity. If they could keep youporn and my fantasy show separated I would be grateful to them. That's dumb and vulgar. What the hell happened with the music at the end? I thought my stream was broken. Is it seriously meant to be?? From wiki: "The decision to place the song at the end of the episode, right after the amputation of Jaime's hand, was made to reinforce the surprise of the viewers: “It’s such a shocking ending and when we read the scene in the books it was so shocking to us. To really hammer home the shock of that moment you need something unexpected. There’s no version of a traditional score that would keep you as off balance as we wanted that scene to leaving you feeling" Well, it was so unexpected that I thought "Oh no a crap advert" and I turned the sound down. | ||
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n0ise
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I had the impression that they're all above such random and childish displays of ... I don't even know, insecurity? Especially Varys giving Littlefinger looks like "WTFWTF". | ||
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karazax
United States3737 Posts
On April 16 2013 19:45 Shock710 wrote: still :/ hes just such a bad person. I dont see why they couldnt kill right now, go back to the wall with the girls, than order rotations of a few men and some women (if they oblige, probably use to sex, to go with them and keep them company) Sure the men are criminals (but mostly for stealing stuff right? nothing too bad, as i remember being pointed out in the season 1) but they probably wont ever be as bad that old guy! and again more baby boys and girls for the crows. Plus than they have one of their own at the safe house in the north. I still dont see why THAT particular old man is important (i see the point with the house in ur post) Also another question, are those "others" whitewalkers? i assumed so, doesnt that mean they've know that the whitewalkers are walking around??? Why than did the crows and the people in winterfell AND Ned stark seem so surprised and in disbelif to the guy in the every first ep of season 1 saying he had seen whitewalkers Even if the lord commander didnt tell other crows about it surely he had a duty to tell Ned stark? Well there are several things to consider here: 1) It's implied that the only reason the white walkers don't kill them is because of Craster's sacrifices to them. So unless the Night's Watch started doing the same thing they wouldn't be safe for long. 2) Craster is an independent wildling, so that is why the wildlings don't kill him. Defending that hut against wildling raids would be virtually impossible for the Night's Watch. 3) Season 1 Tyrion tells Jon that his brothers are rapists, murders and theives. Basicly any sort of criminal can be sent to the wall in exchange for getting out of whatever other punishment they would have recieved. Maester Luwin tries to convince Theon to surrender and go to the Night's Watch where his crimes would be forgotten. One reason the Nights Watch aren't allowed to have women because they don't want love for family to cause them to question their vows. Night's Watch members also aren't paid so how would they support families? Food and resources are already scarce without supporting women and children. As for knowing about the white walkers, Mormont may know that Craster sacrifices his sons to the wild as part of his religion, but that doesn't necessarily mean he knows exactly what happens to them. Maybe he thinks wild animals take them, they die from exposure, or that Craster kills them himself, or other wildlings take them. It's pretty clear that everyone believes the White Walkers are just a myth at the time the show starts. The TV show just makes it seem like Mormont might have known more so than the book does. | ||
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