On April 16 2013 19:00 Zandar wrote: And there is something about him or why wouldn't that white walker kill him.
As I've read somewhere (probably in this thread), he wasn't actually face-to-face with the walker on the horse - camera cuts were a bit confusing in that scene.
EDIT: rewatched that shot from Ep 10 Season 2 and that explanation doesn't really make sense to me...
On April 16 2013 18:38 Scorch wrote: The chair scene was great as it showed much about the characters and conflicts without a single word. Very elegant storytelling.
Littlefinger pushing to the front of the line is within the boundaries of normal, acceptable behavior. He's ambitious and wants the seat next to Tywin, so he takes it with a slight use of elbow. It's effective at trumping a surprised Varys, yet lacking finesse. Varys and Pycelle just take the next two seats without much ado, revealing them as filler material inferior to the others. Cersei goes out of her way to sit next to Tywin, thus particularly sucking up to him, and also asserting dominance over Littlefinger, Varys and Pycelle. She was too slow at first to get a good seat, so she thinks outside the box to make it very clear that she is of higher status than them. What Tyrion does may be viewed as childish, but that makes it all the more "in your face". He drags the chair as slowly and loudly as he can to annoy everyone, and places it at the other head of the table, a place reserved for the person of the highest status, in this case (at least) equal status to Tywin. It's also the most distant position from his father. This open affront is both an expression of personal father-son conflict and a challenge for the leading position.
It was pretty obvious that she moved her chair so that she wouldn't have to sit next to Tyrion. Tyrion moving his chair was simply a response to that.
So I'm at the end of book 5 (not gonna spoil anything, don't worry), and I watch the series as well. Just have to say I greatly enjoy reading people's predictions on what will happen in the future episodes. Guess I'm sort of a hipster. Keep it coming.
Man cutting the hand of... that scene kinda got to me. I mean it's obviously why, they basically just shined some good light on Jaime Lannister and he also already felt like a broken man in his state, well and then you kinda know what's coming for him, have relief for 3 seconds and wham :|
There's also just something really disturbing about cutting of a limb in that way. Maybe people cutting other people's head off in movies has just become too common to be really shocking and, after all they're dead then. With something like this I can identify with characters, who'd then not only have insane pain that moment but also that horrible future with a missing limb :[ (of course death is worse but I hope you get my point)
Is there a non-book answer, for what the old man does (the one who has sex with his daughters -_- and throws aways the boys) Why is he alive, why cant the crows just kill him, hes obviously not very friendly, hes a horrible person. If the crows just kill him they probably get to take the animals (pig) and save the girls. They probably would be staying at the wall because they dont know anything about life outside, might even married a few crows and have babies to be more crows (tho would have to lift the no sex ban) But seriously why is he so important to be alive? also why is he so cocky there are like 20 men with swords at his door and he acts like a king :/ Might have missed something when they first met him.
On April 16 2013 19:26 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote: Man cutting the hand of... that scene kinda got to me. I mean it's obviously why, they basically just shined some good light on Jaime Lannister and he also already felt like a broken man in his state, well and then you kinda know what's coming for him, have relief for 3 seconds and wham :|
There's also just something really disturbing about cutting of a limb in that way. Maybe people cutting other people's head off in movies has just become too common to be really shocking and, after all they're dead then. With something like this I can identify with characters, who'd then not only have insane pain that moment but also that horrible future with a missing limb :[ (of course death is worse but I hope you get my point)
it's good writing that you feel this way, but remember how we all felt about jamie in season 1? he was the most detestable piece of shit. getting what he deserves now, in some form. i feel for him, because he does have a heart under there, but SOMETHING needed to happen to the guy. and i think losing his hand will make him into something else entirely.
@ RogerChillingworth Yeah well there also seemed to be some kind of "untouchable aura" on Jaime's character. Considering his character arc it just felt like he'd be that kind of character who just happens to avoid all this. Of course that's what they played on here as well and was basically the point of the last scene "you're actually in deep shit, so stop being a smartass".
Man I really want to read the books now because I can't be bothered to wait a billion years. I mean one episode a week (until there's some kind of break or inbetween season period) and each episode follows so goddamn many different plotlines and characters (they just can't stop introducing new ones either) that it just never really feels like you get enough satisfying content. Granted that's always the case when a show is so good.
On April 16 2013 19:26 Shock710 wrote: Is there a non-book answer, for what the old man does (the one who has sex with his daughters -_- and throws aways the boys) Why is he alive, why cant the crows just kill him, hes obviously not very friendly, hes a horrible person. If the crows just kill him they probably get to take the animals (pig) and save the girls. They probably would be staying at the wall because they dont know anything about life outside, might even married a few crows and have babies to be more crows (tho would have to lift the no sex ban) But seriously why is he so important to be alive? also why is he so cocky there are like 20 men with swords at his door and he acts like a king :/ Might have missed something when they first met him.
Well they essentially threaten him with violence in the most recent episode. He says something like "Do I?" after the commander tells him he has to take them in. Then the camera goes to one guy tightening his fists and after a moment of silence he takes them in. So it's not like they all like each other.
In general the Watch doesn't have any bases north of the wall nor do they have the means to maintain one. So for them it was just practical to have a guy give them shelter and food in exchange for weapons for example (Season 2 when they are first there he asks for an axe). Mormont also pretty much tells Jon that they know about the baby killing but accept it because having a safe house north is too valuable.
On April 16 2013 19:26 Shock710 wrote: Is there a non-book answer, for what the old man does (the one who has sex with his daughters -_- and throws aways the boys) Why is he alive, why cant the crows just kill him, hes obviously not very friendly, hes a horrible person. If the crows just kill him they probably get to take the animals (pig) and save the girls. They probably would be staying at the wall because they dont know anything about life outside, might even married a few crows and have babies to be more crows (tho would have to lift the no sex ban) But seriously why is he so important to be alive? also why is he so cocky there are like 20 men with swords at his door and he acts like a king :/ Might have missed something when they first met him.
Well he survives alone because he seems to have a pact with the Others. He feeds them newborn boys and they let him live. That's what Jon Snow told Mance at least. The Lord Commander knows about it, too. I believe he has an agreement with Crester that the Nightswatch may get supplies, shelter and information. Letting Crester do his thing seems to be a prize the Lord Commander is willing to pay. There might be more that we don't know about, yet.
On April 16 2013 19:26 Shock710 wrote: Is there a non-book answer, for what the old man does (the one who has sex with his daughters -_- and throws aways the boys) Why is he alive, why cant the crows just kill him, hes obviously not very friendly, hes a horrible person. If the crows just kill him they probably get to take the animals (pig) and save the girls. They probably would be staying at the wall because they dont know anything about life outside, might even married a few crows and have babies to be more crows (tho would have to lift the no sex ban) But seriously why is he so important to be alive? also why is he so cocky there are like 20 men with swords at his door and he acts like a king :/ Might have missed something when they first met him.
Well they essentially threaten him with violence in the most recent episode. He says something like "Do I?" after the commander tells him he has to take them in. Then the camera goes to one guy tightening his fists and after a moment of silence he takes them in. So it's not like they all like each other.
In general the Watch doesn't have any bases north of the wall nor do they have the means to maintain one. So for them it was just practical to have a guy give them shelter and food in exchange for weapons for example (Season 2 when they are first there he asks for an axe). Mormont also pretty much tells Jon that they know about the baby killing but accept it because having a safe house north is too valuable.
still :/ hes just such a bad person. I dont see why they couldnt kill right now, go back to the wall with the girls, than order rotations of a few men and some women (if they oblige, probably use to sex, to go with them and keep them company) Sure the men are criminals (but mostly for stealing stuff right? nothing too bad, as i remember being pointed out in the season 1) but they probably wont ever be as bad that old guy! and again more baby boys and girls for the crows. Plus than they have one of their own at the safe house in the north. I still dont see why THAT particular old man is important (i see the point with the house in ur post)
Is there a non-book answer, for what the old man does (the one who has sex with his daughters -_- and throws aways the boys) Why is he alive, why cant the crows just kill him, hes obviously not very friendly, hes a horrible person. If the crows just kill him they probably get to take the animals (pig) and save the girls. They probably would be staying at the wall because they dont know anything about life outside, might even married a few crows and have babies to be more crows (tho would have to lift the no sex ban) But seriously why is he so important to be alive? also why is he so cocky there are like 20 men with swords at his door and he acts like a king :/ Might have missed something when they first met him.
Well he survives alone because he seems to have a pact with the Others. He feeds them newborn boys and they let him live. That's what Jon Snow told Mance at least. The Lord Commander knows about it, too. I believe he has an agreement with Crester that the Nightswatch may get supplies, shelter and information. Letting Crester do his thing seems to be a prize the Lord Commander is willing to pay. There might be more that we don't know about, yet.
Also another question, are those "others" whitewalkers? i assumed so, doesnt that mean they've know that the whitewalkers are walking around??? Why than did the crows and the people in winterfell AND Ned stark seem so surprised and in disbelif to the guy in the every first ep of season 1 saying he had seen whitewalkers Even if the lord commander didnt tell other crows about it surely he had a duty to tell Ned stark?
On April 16 2013 19:26 Shock710 wrote: Is there a non-book answer, for what the old man does (the one who has sex with his daughters -_- and throws aways the boys) Why is he alive, why cant the crows just kill him, hes obviously not very friendly, hes a horrible person. If the crows just kill him they probably get to take the animals (pig) and save the girls. They probably would be staying at the wall because they dont know anything about life outside, might even married a few crows and have babies to be more crows (tho would have to lift the no sex ban) But seriously why is he so important to be alive? also why is he so cocky there are like 20 men with swords at his door and he acts like a king :/ Might have missed something when they first met him.
It is a sacred Northern tradition that if you are accepted into someone's home and eat with them, the guest and the host are both completely immune to any hostility between each other.
On April 16 2013 19:33 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote: @ RogerChillingworth Yeah well there also seemed to be some kind of "untouchable aura" on Jaime's character. Considering his character arc it just felt like he'd be that kind of character who just happens to avoid all this. Of course that's what they played on here as well and was basically the point of the last scene "you're actually in deep shit, so stop being a smartass".
Man I really want to read the books now because I can't be bothered to wait a billion years. I mean one episode a week (until there's some kind of break or inbetween season period) and each episode follows so goddamn many different plotlines and characters (they just can't stop introducing new ones either) that it just never really feels like you get enough satisfying content. Granted that's always the case when a show is so good.
well...i thought Ned Stark had sort of an "untouchable aura", especially since it was Sean Bean. Then he had to head out early...
The show DOES sort of get you to like a character just before killing them off or doing something horrible to them, while all the really obnoxious ones just keep on keepin on. i almost gave up on the show when --for a second-- i thought bran truly was burned to char. but then i came to my senses and figured it wasn't true.
the episodes go by so quickly because there are so many storylines that are in different locations. i have a similar complaint, but i'm guessing it'll turn around and we'll see more consolidated kings landing/the wall scenes.
On April 16 2013 19:33 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote: @ RogerChillingworth Yeah well there also seemed to be some kind of "untouchable aura" on Jaime's character. Considering his character arc it just felt like he'd be that kind of character who just happens to avoid all this. Of course that's what they played on here as well and was basically the point of the last scene "you're actually in deep shit, so stop being a smartass".
Man I really want to read the books now because I can't be bothered to wait a billion years. I mean one episode a week (until there's some kind of break or inbetween season period) and each episode follows so goddamn many different plotlines and characters (they just can't stop introducing new ones either) that it just never really feels like you get enough satisfying content. Granted that's always the case when a show is so good.
well...i thought Ned Stark had sort of an "untouchable aura", especially since it was Sean Bean. Then he had to head out early...
The show DOES sort of get you to like a character just before killing them off or doing something horrible to them, while all the really obnoxious ones just keep on keepin on. i almost gave up on the show when --for a second-- i thought bran truly was burned to char. but then i came to my senses and figured it wasn't true.
the episodes go by so quickly because there are so many storylines that are in different locations. i have a similar complaint, but i'm guessing it'll turn around and we'll see more consolidated kings landing/the wall scenes.
Sean Bean always dies..
And i'm sure the obnoxious ones will get some of what they deserve,, eventually..
i really like the men without banners, they sorta seem like the only decent army. My guess is that the wolf is going to eventually join them after some sort of tryout or something.