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On June 20 2012 19:43 sereniity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2012 19:40 StorkHwaiting wrote:On June 20 2012 19:37 sereniity wrote:On June 20 2012 19:35 StorkHwaiting wrote:On June 20 2012 19:34 Inori wrote:On June 20 2012 19:31 StorkHwaiting wrote:
Just LOL. I'm done. There's no reasoning with fanboyism. Enjoy your Daenerys, mother of contrived plot-armor. But you didn't actually reply to his valid questions: Are you a woman? Do you have children? Here's a valid question. Who the fuck in their right mind compares nine months of pregnancy and then childbirth with walking into a fire carrying some easter eggs? And who the fuck thinks they know anything about motherhood or connection to a child when the person is not a woman nor has a child? What could Daenerys know about motherhood or connection to a child when she doesn't have a child? Her dragons are her "children", thus she feels a motherly connection to them, thus she walked into the tower to get them back. Now answer my questions, instead of dodging them all by asking questions of your own.
Oh! In that case, yes. I'm a woman and a mother. You see, when I am feeling effeminate an imaginary vagina sprouts between my legs, thus creating my womanhood. And I have a pet dog, which is my "child." I had to drive 4 hours to the breeder to pick him up and he was quite sick the first week I had him, thus putting me through great pains which were my "childbirth." My "motherly connection" to him is as strong as that of any biological woman/mother.
Examples to prove the validity of these phenomena I give you:
Exhibit A -  Scarlett
Exhibit B - http://www.paradoxhumanity.com/2011/05/child-psychology-children-are-like-puppies/
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On June 20 2012 19:45 sereniity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2012 19:43 Inori wrote:On June 20 2012 19:40 StorkHwaiting wrote:On June 20 2012 19:37 sereniity wrote:On June 20 2012 19:35 StorkHwaiting wrote:On June 20 2012 19:34 Inori wrote:On June 20 2012 19:31 StorkHwaiting wrote:
Just LOL. I'm done. There's no reasoning with fanboyism. Enjoy your Daenerys, mother of contrived plot-armor. But you didn't actually reply to his valid questions: Are you a woman? Do you have children? Here's a valid question. Who the fuck in their right mind compares nine months of pregnancy and then childbirth with walking into a fire carrying some easter eggs? And who the fuck thinks they know anything about motherhood or connection to a child when the person is not a woman nor has a child? What could Daenerys know about motherhood or connection to a child when she doesn't have a child? Clearly a woman that has recently lost her newborn knows less about motherhood than you. Funny how I forgot about this...
Funny how you forgot about the part where she sacrificed that fetus to a batty old crone in exchange for a zombiefied husband. Oh, the sweet warmth of motherhood! Daenerys would do anything for her baby! Anything!
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On June 20 2012 19:51 StorkHwaiting wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2012 19:45 sereniity wrote:On June 20 2012 19:43 Inori wrote:On June 20 2012 19:40 StorkHwaiting wrote:On June 20 2012 19:37 sereniity wrote:On June 20 2012 19:35 StorkHwaiting wrote:On June 20 2012 19:34 Inori wrote:On June 20 2012 19:31 StorkHwaiting wrote:
Just LOL. I'm done. There's no reasoning with fanboyism. Enjoy your Daenerys, mother of contrived plot-armor. But you didn't actually reply to his valid questions: Are you a woman? Do you have children? Here's a valid question. Who the fuck in their right mind compares nine months of pregnancy and then childbirth with walking into a fire carrying some easter eggs? And who the fuck thinks they know anything about motherhood or connection to a child when the person is not a woman nor has a child? What could Daenerys know about motherhood or connection to a child when she doesn't have a child? Clearly a woman that has recently lost her newborn knows less about motherhood than you. Funny how I forgot about this... Funny how you forgot about the part where she sacrificed that fetus to a batty old crone in exchange for a zombiefied husband. Oh, the sweet warmth of motherhood! Daenerys would do anything for her baby! Anything!
Yes, because she totally knew that her husband would become zombified.
The amount of shit you post is astounding. You're like Tyrion Lannister, except that you can't argue for shit and your jokes aren't funny.
The fact that you're being ironic about human connections to dogs shows how little you know, seeing as alot of people would probably risk alot to save their dog.
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What kind of doggy-doo argument is that? Even if she got a perfectly healthy Drogo in return, she still sacrificed her baby, hence invalidating any sort of claims about a sacred motherly bond that would justify her charging suicidally into warlock lairs. Go learn to spell your name, then learn how logic works, then try to engage with people. Until you've done that, all you're doing is giving people headaches.
And god knows what you were trying to express with that Tyrion remark.
Btw, nothing I've said so far has been ironic. I don't know what would give you that idea. Maybe foreign language? You asked me a question. I answered it using the same rules of logic you've expressed. Then you claim I'm mocking you. So either you see the retardedness of your logic, or you're refuting your own line of reasoning within minutes of laying it out.
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On June 20 2012 20:03 StorkHwaiting wrote:
What kind of doggy-doo argument is that? Even if she got a perfectly healthy Drogo in return, she still sacrificed her baby, hence invalidating any sort of claims about a sacred motherly bond that would justify her charging suicidally into warlock lairs. Go learn to spell your name, then learn how logic works, then try to engage with people. Until you've done that, all you're doing is giving people headaches.
And god knows what you were trying to express with that Tyrion remark.
She sacrificed her fetus for the man she loved, I don't see how that invalidates our claims of her risking her own life (which she didn't have much of anyway, either she could go into the warlocks lair or she could try to escape Qarth only to find herself starving in the desert.) for her dragons.
The only person I seem to be giving a headache is you, which I have no problem with.
What I meant with the Tyrion remark is that he's acting witty all the time, which you seem to be attempting to aswell. The only difference is that when Tyrion is witty, he's actually funny and makes a good point. You're doing the opposite.
On June 20 2012 19:49 StorkHwaiting wrote:Oh! In that case, yes. I'm a woman and a mother. You see, when I am feeling effeminate an imaginary vagina sprouts between my legs, thus creating my womanhood. And I have a pet dog, which is my "child." I had to drive 4 hours to the breeder to pick him up and he was quite sick the first week I had him, thus putting me through great pains which were my "childbirth." My "motherly connection" to him is as strong as that of any biological woman/mother. Examples to prove the validity of these phenomena I give you: Exhibit A - ScarlettExhibit B - http://www.paradoxhumanity.com/2011/05/child-psychology-children-are-like-puppies/
On June 20 2012 20:03 StorkHwaiting wrote:
Btw, nothing I've said so far has been ironic. I don't know what would give you that idea. Maybe foreign language? You asked me a question. I answered it using the same rules of logic you've expressed. Then you claim I'm mocking you. So either you see the retardedness of your logic, or you're refuting your own line of reasoning within minutes of laying it out.
Good to know.
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On June 20 2012 20:03 StorkHwaiting wrote:
What kind of doggy-doo argument is that? Even if she got a perfectly healthy Drogo in return, she still sacrificed her baby, hence invalidating any sort of claims about a sacred motherly bond that would justify her charging suicidally into warlock lairs. Go learn to spell your name, then learn how logic works, then try to engage with people. Until you've done that, all you're doing is giving people headaches.
And god knows what you were trying to express with that Tyrion remark.
Btw, nothing I've said so far has been ironic. I don't know what would give you that idea. Maybe foreign language? You asked me a question. I answered it using the same rules of logic you've expressed. Then you claim I'm mocking you. So either you see the retardedness of your logic, or you're refuting your own line of reasoning within minutes of laying it out.
I'm pretty sure she sacrificed a horse to bring Drogo back, can't really blame her for the witch fucking up her womb and all that.
And no, Dany is not a very rational person which she proves time and time again, but last time i checked such persons exist in the real world as well.
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On June 20 2012 20:17 Inori wrote:
I'll just note that she didn't intentionally sacrifice her child to save Drogo.
This. She had no idea that her unborn child was the actual sacrifice.
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On June 20 2012 20:25 Badjez. wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2012 20:03 StorkHwaiting wrote:
What kind of doggy-doo argument is that? Even if she got a perfectly healthy Drogo in return, she still sacrificed her baby, hence invalidating any sort of claims about a sacred motherly bond that would justify her charging suicidally into warlock lairs. Go learn to spell your name, then learn how logic works, then try to engage with people. Until you've done that, all you're doing is giving people headaches.
And god knows what you were trying to express with that Tyrion remark.
Btw, nothing I've said so far has been ironic. I don't know what would give you that idea. Maybe foreign language? You asked me a question. I answered it using the same rules of logic you've expressed. Then you claim I'm mocking you. So either you see the retardedness of your logic, or you're refuting your own line of reasoning within minutes of laying it out. I'm pretty sure she sacrificed a horse to bring Drogo back, can't really blame her for the witch fucking up her womb and all that. And no, Dany is not a very rational person which she proves time and time again, but last time i checked such persons exist in the real world as well.
Ya i once dated a girl that looked like her and acted just as rational, it freaks me out to cause she has a very similar name as well.
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On June 20 2012 20:25 Badjez. wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2012 20:03 StorkHwaiting wrote:
What kind of doggy-doo argument is that? Even if she got a perfectly healthy Drogo in return, she still sacrificed her baby, hence invalidating any sort of claims about a sacred motherly bond that would justify her charging suicidally into warlock lairs. Go learn to spell your name, then learn how logic works, then try to engage with people. Until you've done that, all you're doing is giving people headaches.
And god knows what you were trying to express with that Tyrion remark.
Btw, nothing I've said so far has been ironic. I don't know what would give you that idea. Maybe foreign language? You asked me a question. I answered it using the same rules of logic you've expressed. Then you claim I'm mocking you. So either you see the retardedness of your logic, or you're refuting your own line of reasoning within minutes of laying it out. I'm pretty sure she sacrificed a horse to bring Drogo back, can't really blame her for the witch fucking up her womb and all that. And no, Dany is not a very rational person which she proves time and time again, but last time i checked such persons exist in the real world as well.
You are correct. Here's how things went: Dany sacrificed her silver(horse) to save drogo, then the priestess started the ritual. One of drogo's bloodriders wanted to go in and stop the "unholy magic" that was going on inside the tent by killing the maegi, and when dany tried to stop him he pushed her into the ground, and because of the impact she entered labor(don't really know if falling into the ground can make you enter labor but that's what happened in the series). Everybody in the khalasar was scared of helping her deliver because she made a pact with the maegi, and without help she would probably die. Then, while she was practically passed out, one of her bloodriders and ser jorah took her into the tent so that the maegi could help her deliver, and that's where her baby got "cursed"(The maegi even said that no one should enter that tent because the dead would dance there tonight, or something along those lines).
So, bottom line is: dany never sacrificed her baby.
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My two cents about Danaerys in this discussion:
Dany is emotional, but that does not mean she is incapable of rational thought. She may not be perfectly logical, but that does not mean she is not clever. Some of the most emotional people I met actually do a lot of thinking in an indirect way; they attach apprehension to things they figure are risky, and without a rational effort reach the rational conclusion. It is what I think of as "anti-rationalization", instead of acting emotionally and then finding excuses, a logical process guides their emotions. Also known as intuitive intelligence.
And she is not dumb. She knew exactly what she had to do to gain the love of the Dothraki. She acted emotionally, but reached the right conclusion every time. This is not your typical emotional bimbo here. I believe that the effects of the pregnancy made her view the dragons as her children. She lost her old family to magic, and gained a new one from it's literal ashes. It is a classic rebirth scene (part of any superhero movie), that symbolizes her ascent from the role of wife, second in the family hierarchy, to that of a born leader; as a fan of these types of movies, that automatically makes me like her a bit more.
Still, not near my favorite character (like everyone, I really dig Tyrion and Arya, but also prefer Varys, Baelish, Ygritte, Cersei and Tywin), but that's probably more about the actress being inconsistent than anything else.
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Tbh Danny is the exact same as her big brother. She's a spoiled child who goes around yelling her name and titles to anyone who wants to listen, and expect them to give her everything they own.
Imo she's the worst character in the show, and she has absolutely nothing to do with everyone else.
The other main characters are all of high birth in westeros and in most cases know eachother very well. Danny is just a plot mechanic off somewhere in a desert and might present a threat in some distant future, but as they can't just have here come in in the 6th season going "dragons dragons dragons" they have to make some kind of drawn out procedure where you see here over and over and over and over stomping the ground, look like a spoiled child who didn't get her ice cream and scream out her name and titles. And that's everything that happens in here scenes basically. On occasion she's put in front of a choice that one of her servant explain to her, and then she picks one of two options.
She's about as deep as a sheet of paper.
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On June 20 2012 22:53 Euronyme wrote:
Tbh Danny is the exact same as her big brother. She's a spoiled child who goes around yelling her name and titles to anyone who wants to listen, and expect them to give her everything they own.
Imo she's the worst character in the show, and she has absolutely nothing to do with everyone else.
The other main characters are all of high birth in westeros and in most cases know eachother very well. Danny is just a plot mechanic off somewhere in a desert and might present a threat in some distant future, but as they can't just have here come in in the 6th season going "dragons dragons dragons" they have to make some kind of drawn out procedure where you see here over and over and over and over stomping the ground, look like a spoiled child who didn't get her ice cream and scream out her name and titles. And that's everything that happens in here scenes basically. On occasion she's put in front of a choice that one of her servant explain to her, and then she picks one of two options.
She's about as deep as a sheet of paper.
People of high birth deserve certain privileges in GoT's culture. Most of the other major characters have servants and armies and stuff too and expect to be treated in a certain way, it's really normal for a highborn. Robb Stark goes around uniting the tribes of the North based on old oaths and a sense of entitlement due to his birth right. Daenerys is trying to do the same, she only fails and makes a fool of herself because she has no actual power to enforce her rightful claims.
Daenerys is nothing like her brother. He was a total asshole and treated everyone like dirt just because of his heritage, while Daenerys is benevolent despite having to overcome many challenges. She was taken from home, given to and raped by a barbarian on a horse. She proceeded to make the best of her situation, learning to love Drogo and growing into her new role as khaleesi. After having to endure more hardships in losing her husband, her child, her people and her dragons, she now cleaned up in Quarth. Considering how little she actually has to work with, she really does well.
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On June 21 2012 00:32 Scorch wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2012 22:53 Euronyme wrote:
Tbh Danny is the exact same as her big brother. She's a spoiled child who goes around yelling her name and titles to anyone who wants to listen, and expect them to give her everything they own.
Imo she's the worst character in the show, and she has absolutely nothing to do with everyone else.
The other main characters are all of high birth in westeros and in most cases know eachother very well. Danny is just a plot mechanic off somewhere in a desert and might present a threat in some distant future, but as they can't just have here come in in the 6th season going "dragons dragons dragons" they have to make some kind of drawn out procedure where you see here over and over and over and over stomping the ground, look like a spoiled child who didn't get her ice cream and scream out her name and titles. And that's everything that happens in here scenes basically. On occasion she's put in front of a choice that one of her servant explain to her, and then she picks one of two options.
She's about as deep as a sheet of paper. People of high birth deserve certain privileges in GoT's culture. Most of the other major characters have servants and armies and stuff too and expect to be treated in a certain way, it's really normal for a highborn. Robb Stark goes around uniting the tribes of the North based on old oaths and a sense of entitlement due to his birth right. Daenerys is trying to do the same, she only fails and makes a fool of herself because she has no actual power to enforce her rightful claims. Daenerys is nothing like her brother. He was a total asshole and treated everyone like dirt just because of his heritage, while Daenerys is benevolent despite having to overcome many challenges. She was taken from home, given to and raped by a barbarian on a horse. She proceeded to make the best of her situation, learning to love Drogo and growing into her new role as khaleesi. After having to endure more hardships in losing her husband, her child, her people and her dragons, she now cleaned up in Quarth. Considering how little she actually has to work with, she really does well.
Danny has tonnes of servants too. Everywhere she goes, some rich man takes her in and gives her anything she wants apart from ships.
Danny doesn't fail. She doesn't win anything either. She's just following the flow. She doesn't need anything but a boat and grown dragons. She doesn't have anything to do, because her dragons aren't grown, so it's just downtime. How much could it cost to hire a boat anyway? It's silly.
Danny is a spoiled child and an asshole because all she does is walking up to people, screeching her name and titles, and threat to fuck them bloody with her dragons once they're grown. How many times has she done that? 5? 15? 50? And every single time someone goes "oh come here darling I'll give you anything you want, as long as it's not a boat".
Her brother went about things the exact same way.
Imo the only vaguely interesting part about her is her dragons, and they're not ready for action for years. I.E the only reason she gets screen time is so that once she finally gets over to Westeros, we won't be startled by why there's suddenly dragons about.
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Just a thought; If fire counters whites, and winter is comming, might be Dany and her dragons are destined to save the day ^_^
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On June 21 2012 02:53 Euronyme wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2012 00:32 Scorch wrote:On June 20 2012 22:53 Euronyme wrote:
Tbh Danny is the exact same as her big brother. She's a spoiled child who goes around yelling her name and titles to anyone who wants to listen, and expect them to give her everything they own.
Imo she's the worst character in the show, and she has absolutely nothing to do with everyone else.
The other main characters are all of high birth in westeros and in most cases know eachother very well. Danny is just a plot mechanic off somewhere in a desert and might present a threat in some distant future, but as they can't just have here come in in the 6th season going "dragons dragons dragons" they have to make some kind of drawn out procedure where you see here over and over and over and over stomping the ground, look like a spoiled child who didn't get her ice cream and scream out her name and titles. And that's everything that happens in here scenes basically. On occasion she's put in front of a choice that one of her servant explain to her, and then she picks one of two options.
She's about as deep as a sheet of paper. People of high birth deserve certain privileges in GoT's culture. Most of the other major characters have servants and armies and stuff too and expect to be treated in a certain way, it's really normal for a highborn. Robb Stark goes around uniting the tribes of the North based on old oaths and a sense of entitlement due to his birth right. Daenerys is trying to do the same, she only fails and makes a fool of herself because she has no actual power to enforce her rightful claims. Daenerys is nothing like her brother. He was a total asshole and treated everyone like dirt just because of his heritage, while Daenerys is benevolent despite having to overcome many challenges. She was taken from home, given to and raped by a barbarian on a horse. She proceeded to make the best of her situation, learning to love Drogo and growing into her new role as khaleesi. After having to endure more hardships in losing her husband, her child, her people and her dragons, she now cleaned up in Quarth. Considering how little she actually has to work with, she really does well. Danny has tonnes of servants too. Everywhere she goes, some rich man takes her in and gives her anything she wants apart from ships. Danny doesn't fail. She doesn't win anything either. She's just following the flow. She doesn't need anything but a boat and grown dragons. She doesn't have anything to do, because her dragons aren't grown, so it's just downtime. How much could it cost to hire a boat anyway? It's silly. Danny is a spoiled child and an asshole because all she does is walking up to people, screeching her name and titles, and threat to fuck them bloody with her dragons once they're grown. How many times has she done that? 5? 15? 50? And every single time someone goes "oh come here darling I'll give you anything you want, as long as it's not a boat". Her brother went about things the exact same way. Imo the only vaguely interesting part about her is her dragons, and they're not ready for action for years. I.E the only reason she gets screen time is so that once she finally gets over to Westeros, we won't be startled by why there's suddenly dragons about.
One of the many instances where the show pales in comparrison to the books, where Daenarys is one of my favorite characters.
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There's a minor spoiler in the interview though : (
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hahaha such a great interview too. It put a smile on my face ^^
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Re: all this nonsense discussion (mostly on the behalf of one individual who got temp banned) comparing babies to dogs, etc.
A woman who suddenly discovers that she is unable to conceive a child usually faces severe trauma. It is a life-changing discovery which leads them to attach themselves more closely to children which are not their own. This is a very real thing, and there is no similarity whatsoever between a woman's biological urge to protect her young vs. a teenage boy's desire to protect a puppy that he purchased.
Basically, she lost the only love she's ever known, and she lost her unborn child. All she has are her dragons which she walked through fire to give birth to. I think she has the right to feel a little overprotective.
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