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That's closest I can find on the show about it, but that doesn't really say she can't, just she won't. Too attached to Drogo? I wouldn't say it's clear cut from just that...
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daemir
Finland8662 Posts
s2e8 That's closest I can find on the show about it, but that doesn't really say she can't, just she won't. Too attached to Drogo? I wouldn't say it's clear cut from just that... | ||
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ZasZ.
United States2911 Posts
On June 23 2012 05:42 daemir wrote: "They are my children, and they are the only children I will ever have" -Dany s2e8 That's closest I can find on the show about it, but that doesn't really say she can't, just she won't. Too attached to Drogo? I wouldn't say it's clear cut from just that... It is implied that Mirri maz Duur tricked her into thinking the horse was the sacrifice for her blood magic, when the real sacrifice was her unborn child. Otherwise, why burn her the way she did? | ||
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Euronyme
Sweden3804 Posts
On June 23 2012 05:58 ZasZ. wrote: It is implied that Mirri maz Duur tricked her into thinking the horse was the sacrifice for her blood magic, when the real sacrifice was her unborn child. Otherwise, why burn her the way she did? Because she killed Drogo. I linked the script earlier of what happened when the child died. Nothing in there implies that the witch killed the baby. The baby might've died because she went into the tent to give birth, but the witch had warned her that the dead would dance there and that she should not go into the tent. The only reason the baby came into the chain of events at all was because one of Drogos blood riders pushed her to the ground face first. | ||
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daemir
Finland8662 Posts
And the witch wouldn't have healed Drogo anyway, I mean we saw what the healing was. He became a vegetable. I don't think that would have been any different, baby dead or not. She had the blood sacrifice from the horse already. Dany burned her because of what she did to Drogo (well and to the baby). | ||
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NeMeSiS3
Canada2972 Posts
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emc
United States3088 Posts
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Gladiator6
Sweden7024 Posts
On June 23 2012 06:28 emc wrote: any one know the time frame for when the new season starts? I think I read somewhere like 2013 April 13th | ||
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scudst0rm
Canada1149 Posts
On June 23 2012 06:28 emc wrote: any one know the time frame for when the new season starts? same time last season started, but next year... | ||
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ZasZ.
United States2911 Posts
On June 23 2012 06:15 Euronyme wrote: Because she killed Drogo. I linked the script earlier of what happened when the child died. Nothing in there implies that the witch killed the baby. The baby might've died because she went into the tent to give birth, but the witch had warned her that the dead would dance there and that she should not go into the tent. The only reason the baby came into the chain of events at all was because one of Drogos blood riders pushed her to the ground face first. She didn't kill Drogo. Dany killed Drogo. She didn't heal him like she promised, but that is easy enough to cover up by saying "oops, I did my best, now he is a vegetable instead of dying from an infected wound." Her baby being the "blood sacrifice" makes 1000x more sense than the horse being the sacrifice and her miscarrying because she fell down. With all the hype that went into the little bugger, that would just be lame ass storytelling. | ||
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NeMeSiS3
Canada2972 Posts
On June 23 2012 06:57 ZasZ. wrote: She didn't kill Drogo. Dany killed Drogo. She didn't heal him like she promised, but that is easy enough to cover up by saying "oops, I did my best, now he is a vegetable instead of dying from an infected wound." Her baby being the "blood sacrifice" makes 1000x more sense than the horse being the sacrifice and her miscarrying because she fell down. With all the hype that went into the little bugger, that would just be lame ass storytelling. I got the impression she actually poisoned him | ||
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scudst0rm
Canada1149 Posts
On June 23 2012 07:11 NeMeSiS3 wrote: I got the impression she actually poisoned him I think she did something when she treated the wound to cause it to fester. Then she "saved" him and left him as a vegetable. Dany just pulled the plug so to speak. She makes in clear to Dany that this was her vendetta against the dothraki. | ||
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sc2superfan101
3583 Posts
On June 23 2012 06:15 Euronyme wrote: Because she killed Drogo. I linked the script earlier of what happened when the child died. Nothing in there implies that the witch killed the baby. The baby might've died because she went into the tent to give birth, but the witch had warned her that the dead would dance there and that she should not go into the tent. The only reason the baby came into the chain of events at all was because one of Drogos blood riders pushed her to the ground face first. thats the way i saw it too. to be honest, that part made me hate Dany more than anything else about her. so unjustified... | ||
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N3rV[Green]
United States1935 Posts
Let me spell this out. Drogo is cut is a fight, dany is scared and wants a doctor type thing to help. The blood magi steps forward and "cleans" the wound and such. Drogo ges much worse andthemagi suggests to Sanyo she might save him with magic and dany being the stupid trusting girl she is says yes. This is where people get mixed up. The magi asks for a horse and people assume that this horse is the sacrifice. The horse is mearly a distraction for the viewer and Dany. So horse gets killed and ritual starts and labor begins. Dany is taken into the tent and her baby is stillborn and evil looking (scaly and demony). And Drogo becomes a vegetable. Dany talks to the magi about wtf happened and the magi straight up says the child was the sacrifice and the horse was just for the blood needed. Then there is the prophecy telling Dany in fancy words that she will see Drogo again when impossible things happen. One of the impossibilities listed is Dany ever having children. I hate posting on my* phone. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8281 Posts
On June 24 2012 02:00 N3rV[Green] wrote: I think most of the problems coming from this is due to language. Let me spell this out. Drogo is cut is a fight, dany is scared and wants a doctor type thing to help. The blood magi steps forward and "cleans" the wound and such. Drogo ges much worse andthemagi suggests to Sanyo she might save him with magic and dany being the stupid trusting girl she is says yes. This is where people get mixed up. The magi asks for a horse and people assume that this horse is the sacrifice. The horse is mearly a distraction for the viewer and Dany. So horse gets killed and ritual starts and labor begins. Dany is taken into the tent and her baby is stillborn and evil looking (scaly and demony). And Drogo becomes a vegetable. Dany talks to the magi about wtf happened and the magi straight up says the child was the sacrifice and the horse was just for the blood needed. Then there is the prophecy telling Dany in fancy words that she will see Drogo again when impossible things happen. One of the impossibilities listed is Dany ever having children. I hate posting on my* phone. tell me exactly what time in the episode she says this. We can assume all we want, but its never explicitly stated in the show. This is the point where people are confused about. Not the entire story. | ||
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scudst0rm
Canada1149 Posts
On June 24 2012 02:30 Excludos wrote: tell me exactly what time in the episode she says this. We can assume all we want, but its never explicitly stated in the show. This is the point where people are confused about. Not the entire story. It is stated in the book but not in the show. There are a lot of people in this thread that are mixing up the two. The fact that Dany says it in season 2 kinda seems like the writers mixed them up as well :S | ||
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Masq
Canada1792 Posts
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Excludos
Norway8281 Posts
On June 24 2012 03:06 Masq wrote: When does the new season start? I miss the show already ;l Same time season 2 started..next year.. | ||
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Euronyme
Sweden3804 Posts
On June 24 2012 02:00 N3rV[Green] wrote: I think most of the problems coming from this is due to language. Let me spell this out. Drogo is cut is a fight, dany is scared and wants a doctor type thing to help. The blood magi steps forward and "cleans" the wound and such. Drogo ges much worse andthemagi suggests to Sanyo she might save him with magic and dany being the stupid trusting girl she is says yes. This is where people get mixed up. The magi asks for a horse and people assume that this horse is the sacrifice. The horse is mearly a distraction for the viewer and Dany. So horse gets killed and ritual starts and labor begins. Dany is taken into the tent and her baby is stillborn and evil looking (scaly and demony). And Drogo becomes a vegetable. Dany talks to the magi about wtf happened and the magi straight up says the child was the sacrifice and the horse was just for the blood needed. Then there is the prophecy telling Dany in fancy words that she will see Drogo again when impossible things happen. One of the impossibilities listed is Dany ever having children. I hate posting on my* phone. That's actually not what happened. Dany is well outside the tent for the ritual, but one of Drogo's blood riders gets pissed by the fact that Dany let the witch be alone in the tent with Drogo. The blood rider pushes Dany to the ground and she lands on her stomach. Being pushed from a standing position to the ground, landing on the stomach is very bad when you're pregnant. She says that the baby is coming, and the knight goes "the women won't come because they're afraid of you now". The knight then carries Dany into the tent as the witch is the only one who knows how to do these things. You're assuming that it's the witches fault that the blood rider pushed Dany to the ground, and that she was completely confident that this would happen? The witch even very very clearly said "Once the ritual begins NO ONE must enter here". Yet she's 100% counting on that Dany would walk and potentially risk her own, her husbands and her baby's life. That sounds really really far fetched to me. The prophecy does NOT involve anything about her not being able to have children in the TV show. It may or may not in the books though, but that doesn't belong in this thread. If you hadn't noticed this is the spoiler free TV thread. Not the book discussion. Edit: Please bring up the episode and time where it's even hinted that Dany can't have any more children. I recall nothing of that being even hinted at. The child died either A: because it was born waaaaaaaaay too early. She hasn't been pregnant for long, has she? B: It died in the fall. C: Because the baby was born in the tent even though the witch told her to stay the fuck out. | ||
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ZasZ.
United States2911 Posts
On June 24 2012 04:07 Euronyme wrote: That's actually not what happened. Dany is well outside the tent for the ritual, but one of Drogo's blood riders gets pissed by the fact that Dany let the witch be alone in the tent with Drogo. The blood rider pushes Dany to the ground and she lands on her stomach. Being pushed from a standing position to the ground, landing on the stomach is very bad when you're pregnant. She says that the baby is coming, and the knight goes "the women won't come because they're afraid of you now". The knight then carries Dany into the tent as the witch is the only one who knows how to do these things. You're assuming that it's the witches fault that the blood rider pushed Dany to the ground, and that she was completely confident that this would happen? The witch even very very clearly said "Once the ritual begins NO ONE must enter here". Yet she's 100% counting on that Dany would walk and potentially risk her own, her husbands and her baby's life. That sounds really really far fetched to me. The prophecy does NOT involve anything about her not being able to have children in the TV show. It may or may not in the books though, but that doesn't belong in this thread. If you hadn't noticed this is the spoiler free TV thread. Not the book discussion. Edit: Please bring up the episode and time where it's even hinted that Dany can't have any more children. I recall nothing of that being even hinted at. The child died either A: because it was born waaaaaaaaay too early. She hasn't been pregnant for long, has she? B: It died in the fall. C: Because the baby was born in the tent even though the witch told her to stay the fuck out. If you want hints, then the episode in season 2 where she says the dragons will be the only children she will ever have. Doesn't explicitly state she's barren, but it is a hint. Given the implications it would have on the story if she is NOT barren, I'm going to have to go with the writers being confused when they initially wrote that scene. It's bad storytelling for her to miscarry because she fell down. It's good storytelling for her to miscarry because the witch tricked her into thinking the horse was the blood sacrifice. I'm still confident that that is how the story went, and they just did a poor job of illustrating it. | ||
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N3rV[Green]
United States1935 Posts
So I guess in the show it's not until Dany says it to her knight in season 2. I seriously can't believe they just left out half of the magi's speech.............. Sorry, but even still. These facts remain no matter what, show or book. Dany's child was the intended sacrifice, the horse was simply a ploy/distraction. and Dany can no longer have children. The magi states that the child was the intended sacrifice, that it was misshappen and filled with grave worms. That doesn't happen cause you get pushed over, it happens because the magi wants Drogo and Drogo's son gone from the world. Also, people are reading far to much into the wrong parts of this scene.....I'm done trying to explain. I still feel like the biggest problem here is just this is all very subtle stuff worded strangely for someone who doesn't speak english as a first language (hell, a lot of people that do speak english as a first language wouldn't quite catch everything). And people were looking at it wrong/not understanding the meanings behind some of thing stuff. User was warned for this post | ||
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