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SpiZe
Canada3640 Posts
On June 20 2012 08:57 CrimsonLotus wrote: As I understand, when winter does come it will be very cold everywhere on Westeros. So the White Walkers and their army of undead could be a treath to everyone. Well they still need to cross the wall, and it's pretty huge. | ||
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Euronyme
Sweden3804 Posts
On June 20 2012 09:09 SpiZe wrote: Well they still need to cross the wall, and it's pretty huge. But poorly manned. Wasn't it one man per kilometre or something like that? They could just make a cheerleader triangle to reach up beyond the wall. | ||
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Kisra
United Kingdom466 Posts
On June 20 2012 10:37 Euronyme wrote: But poorly manned. Wasn't it one man per kilometre or something like that? They could just make a cheerleader triangle to reach up beyond the wall. I have the hysterical image of a huge pile of undead, very carefully balanced, almost caving under the weight of it, just waiting for that last guy. Who is Samwell Tarly. | ||
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Victor
New Zealand1016 Posts
On June 19 2012 02:12 kwizach wrote: ![[image loading]](http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5euz7iLkT1rpn88c.jpg) This looks badass to you? To me he looks like he's both high and trying to whistle :-D Frankly, I had been waiting for white walkers ever since the great very first scene of the first episode of season one, but this scene was quite a disappointment. I like how it has the expression of ~_^ As if he's wondering why a guy like Sam will be all the way out here lol | ||
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Euronyme
Sweden3804 Posts
On June 20 2012 10:46 Kisra wrote: I have the hysterical image of a huge pile of undead, very carefully balanced, almost caving under the weight of it, just waiting for that last guy. Who is Samwell Tarly. Haha me too. They're all swaying in the wind, and then someone slips one a rotten shoulder. They break apart, only to relentlessly restart their cheerleader shenanigans :D | ||
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CobaltBlu
United States919 Posts
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deo1
United States199 Posts
On June 20 2012 02:56 Offhand wrote: Compared to the Tower of Qarth finale with the dragonfire, the white walker army was awesome. Daenarys and Robb could really be replaced with wooden poles in the show. Are we even watching the same show? The warlock's death is like the image of westeros. There are all these kings fighting and none of them are even thinking about this crazy dragon bitch who is going to come out of nowhere. She's getting smarter and her dragons are growing, I've really enjoyed that character development. | ||
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writer22816
United States5775 Posts
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
On June 20 2012 11:14 deo1 wrote: Are we even watching the same show? The warlock's death is like the image of westeros. There are all these kings fighting and none of them are even thinking about this crazy dragon bitch who is going to come out of nowhere. She's getting smarter and her dragons are growing, I've really enjoyed that character development. In what way is she getting smarter? .... Walking into the warlock's lair with zero idea about how she planned to fight them, what their capabilities were, or what kind of leverage she could possibly use against them was the apex of stupidity. I'm not sure where intelligence was involved at any stage in her decision making. | ||
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On June 20 2012 11:47 StorkHwaiting wrote: In what way is she getting smarter? .... Walking into the warlock's lair with zero idea about how she planned to fight them, what their capabilities were, or what kind of leverage she could possibly use against them was the apex of stupidity. I'm not sure where intelligence was involved at any stage in her decision making. what are you talking about bro? She is impervious to fire. And she already knew way ahead of time that the warlocks are the epitome of stupidity and would chain her right next to the dragons and then stand directly in front of both her and the dragons betting that Dany isnt impervious to fire and wouldnt order her dragons to fire at them. I mean, it was brilliant foresight that the only one way she could get out of that prison with her dragons alive came through fruition. Only a true genius could have done that. | ||
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Kazius
Israel1456 Posts
On June 20 2012 11:47 StorkHwaiting wrote: In what way is she getting smarter? .... Walking into the warlock's lair with zero idea about how she planned to fight them, what their capabilities were, or what kind of leverage she could possibly use against them was the apex of stupidity. I'm not sure where intelligence was involved at any stage in her decision making. She has no army, and a lot of people who would like her dead. The Iron Throne is a goal, and you need power, physical power, to get it. Without her dragons, she will be unable to do anything but run her entire life until she is finally killed. 100% of running your entire life until assassins get you, or 90% of dying, but 10% of giving you a chance to not only survive but get the ability to one day accomplish all your dreams. It is not stupid, it is a rational decision. Any other choice would be letting fear win; putting the extreme short term ahead of any chance in the long term. People mix up intelligence with unimaginative thinking (aka Straw Vulcan). From a cold calculation of odds for long term survival, it was a risk she had to take. This is beyond her promise to her people (without dragons, not a chance), and her emotional attachment to the dragons. Bravery and "foolish" behavior are actually better from a probability standpoint here. It's a good gamble to take. | ||
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Papulatus
United States669 Posts
On June 20 2012 11:53 Sub40APM wrote: what are you talking about bro? She is impervious to fire. And she already knew way ahead of time that the warlocks are the epitome of stupidity and would chain her right next to the dragons and then stand directly in front of both her and the dragons betting that Dany isnt impervious to fire and wouldnt order her dragons to fire at them. I mean, it was brilliant foresight that the only one way she could get out of that prison with her dragons alive came through fruition. Only a true genius could have done that. Dany is not impervious to fire. This is a common held misconception. | ||
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Mataru
Norway356 Posts
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Deadlyhazard
United States1177 Posts
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
On June 20 2012 11:56 Kazius wrote: She has no army, and a lot of people who would like her dead. The Iron Throne is a goal, and you need power, physical power, to get it. Without her dragons, she will be unable to do anything but run her entire life until she is finally killed. 100% of running your entire life until assassins get you, or 90% of dying, but 10% of giving you a chance to not only survive but get the ability to one day accomplish all your dreams. It is not stupid, it is a rational decision. Any other choice would be letting fear win; putting the extreme short term ahead of any chance in the long term. People mix up intelligence with unimaginative thinking (aka Straw Vulcan). From a cold calculation of odds for long term survival, it was a risk she had to take. This is beyond her promise to her people (without dragons, not a chance), and her emotional attachment to the dragons. Bravery and "foolish" behavior are actually better from a probability standpoint here. It's a good gamble to take. I'm sorry but you don't seem to understand how this world works. Neither does Daenerys though, so I guess you've explained why she acts so retarded. | ||
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Papulatus
United States669 Posts
On June 20 2012 12:10 Mataru wrote: So what is the difference between being impervious to fire, and not taking any damage from it whatsoever? The reason Dany survived walking into the fire with her 3 dragon eggs was because of blood magic. When she survived the fire of the dragons is was likely because of magic as well. GRRM has stated before that Dany is not immune to fire. That's all knowledge from the books though. It might be that they are taking a different route in the T.V. series and making Dant resistant to fire. | ||
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Critter
United States196 Posts
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Irrelevant Label
United States596 Posts
On June 20 2012 12:44 Papulatus wrote: The reason Dany survived walking into the fire with her 3 dragon eggs was because of blood magic. When she survived the fire of the dragons is was likely because of magic as well. GRRM has stated before that Dany is not immune to fire. That's all knowledge from the books though. It might be that they are taking a different route in the T.V. series and making Dant resistant to fire. Where is the quote for that? Discussing evidence relevant to this topic would quickly enter illegal ground for this thread, but that runs contrary to available evidence other than this GRRM quote. | ||
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Kazius
Israel1456 Posts
On June 20 2012 12:43 StorkHwaiting wrote: I'm sorry but you don't seem to understand how this world works. Neither does Daenerys though, so I guess you've explained why she acts so retarded. You want to be insulting? Go for it. You're so clever and manly. Refute my points if they are stupid. Until then, stop being a dick. You have a goal, you can die, you can run, or you can further your goal. Possible actions: 1) Not entering the tower and running the fuck away: Anyone on the Iron Throne will want her dead, and eventually, one will succeed in getting her murdered. She will be totally dependent on her people, whose loyalty will be less assured if they see her running (despite her promises that their enemies will die screaming). That is assuming the King of Qarth wouldn't do with her as he pleases. She will never be powerful enough to take the Iron Throne without dragons. Summary: At best, she will be a minor leader of a small nomadic tribe for a while, and then get murdered. Dreams destroyed (no dragons = no Iron Throne), living a life of poverty followed by murder in a god forsaken piece of Westeros. 2) Entering the tower: Probability high of being captured and imprisoned. She will remain with her dragons, raise them, will have people attempting to rescue her (probability of success over time is unknown). Probability low of successfully retrieving dragons: She will come out stronger than ever, and this will be another stepping stone on her rise to power. To her people, she will be a woman that cannot be stopped by magic, who kept her promise as to what would be done to their enemies. Qarth has fleets of ships trading with everywhere, word will spread. Summary: Probably captured for a while, either to be rescued by her people and the help they can muster, or until the wizard dies, or forever, who knows. Best case, she has made a huge step in legitimizing herself as a proper ruler, not only in name, but in actions. In any case, the best case of the other option is not better than what happens here. Stop being a douche and tell me why I'm wrong. | ||
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MajuGarzett
Canada635 Posts
On June 20 2012 13:55 Irrelevant Label wrote: Where is the quote for that? Discussing evidence relevant to this topic would quickly enter illegal ground for this thread, but that runs contrary to available evidence other than this GRRM quote. The Wiki of ice and fire confirms that Dany isn't immune to fire. I also remember reading a quote from Martin that said she is not but unfortunately I cannot find it. | ||
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