EPTExamples of? weaker storylines? Bigger reliance on shock ?
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Sent.
Poland9296 Posts
Examples of? weaker storylines? Bigger reliance on shock ? | ||
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Mafe
Germany5966 Posts
On August 26 2017 02:18 Cricketer12 wrote: Well she's only the stupidest most detanged psycopath in the seven kingdoms, what do you expect? Are you sure? There is a lot of competition. | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
On August 25 2017 21:41 Plansix wrote: It also depends on what else the long night entails. Endless winter is almost worse than war. And if the night king can raise the not so recently dead. now that would be sick. if all the dead buried in cemeteries and graves scattered around Westeros start coming to life and attacking cities/towns etc. Hell even have old nobles burst from their tombs. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13995 Posts
If wolverine was a 5 ft british girl who had a fetish for killing her sister he would be arya | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
On August 26 2017 02:48 Hider wrote: Did you think the scenes were entertaining? In contrast to the political seasons of Kings landing i S1-S4? Further, in terms of the overarching plot, what consequences should the riot of the people have on this season? It should've weakened Cersei enough that she wouldn't be a serious contender vs Dany anymore. The logical next arc would be Dany trying to persuade the people that she both isn't her father and isn't Cersei. They swept all of this under the rug to try to make Cersei a legitimate contender vs Dany. The logical resolution would be the people and nobles turning on Cersei, something the show's writers sacrificed so they can show big battles. There's no way that her strategy of casting Dany as a foreign invader should be as successful as it is. She can't really cast the other side as bringing foreign gods after she just killed the high priest of the local gods, can she? But that's the show we got. | ||
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Hyperbola
United States2553 Posts
There are none. He's objectively wrong. Seasons 1-4 were pure sex. | ||
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Sent.
Poland9296 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 26 2017 05:19 crms wrote: now that would be sick. if all the dead buried in cemeteries and graves scattered around Westeros start coming to life and attacking cities/towns etc. Hell even have old nobles burst from their tombs. I want my apocalypse to be for fucking real. I want the wall to break and it's permanently overcast from sea to sea. No crops, no sun, no warmth beyond fire. All babies are stillborn and no one can get pregnant. The dead who are still whole rise. The long night needs to be lit as fuck. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9433 Posts
It should've weakened Cersei enough that she wouldn't be a serious contender vs Dany anymore. I don't like that plot setup. I think Cersei should be a contendor and even the "favourite" - otherwise there is little to be interested in. Hence why I think Lannister should continue to be rich. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9433 Posts
1. Slavery battle (containing tyrells + Dany vs Lannisters + slave masters) ends 2. Dany is then allying her self with the Tyrells. 3. Proceeds to sails to Westeros. 4. However before she arrives Queen Cersei launches an attack on Tyrells and succesfully beats them. 5. Kills Margaery and Olena. 6. Tommen commits sucides. I think that would also be a ton more interesting as it would invovle a big battle between the two richest houses (tyrells and lannisters) that we have a ton of history related to. --> Dany arrives she has faces a much tougher situation and needs to ally her self with the North --> Meets Jon Snow --> Jon Snow tries to convince her about Wild walkers. Dany doens't belive him (initially) --> Jon Snow convinces her to use the Dragons to see for herself at the price of the North supporting her war afterwards. --> She flies over the Wall and an undead Dragon is killed There is zero time (unbeliveable) time travel involved in this version of the plot. No need for Heroic Euron because per definition the army strenghts put Dany at a disadvantage. Afterwards I imagine this type of plot: 1. Wall is broken and northern cities + castle black is attacked and most of them are killed. 2. North locates defenses at Winterfell. 3. However while doing that Cersei attacks at a key strategic location. 4. Dany (and Jon) faced with huge strategic dilemma. Defend against Cerseis forces or the Wild Walkers? | ||
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Sent.
Poland9296 Posts
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Hider
Denmark9433 Posts
On August 26 2017 09:50 Sent. wrote: Why would Tyrells ally with Dany before Tommen's death? That's related to my plot idea on how the slavery battle would occur which would invovle westeros. Tyrells and lannisters have different financial interests which results in a conflict that gradually increases over time. | ||
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Jek
Denmark2771 Posts
On August 26 2017 08:13 Plansix wrote: I want my apocalypse to be for fucking real. I want the wall to break and it's permanently overcast from sea to sea. No crops, no sun, no warmth beyond fire. All babies are stillborn and no one can get pregnant. The dead who are still whole rise. The long night needs to be lit as fuck. considering + Show Spoiler + a dragon was casually killed in the most anti-climatic fashion I'm not too hyped about it. -.-* | ||
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B.I.G.
3251 Posts
Alternatively the Beric-Hound gang arrives at the keep now guarded by Thormund and the Hound tells him that he saw in his vision the dead will attack here and soon. Send Raven to Jon who comes there together with Dany on dragon and although they manage to hold off the dead for a while after magic ice spear dragon death they see they have to retreat. Our brave heroes ride off to get the North ready as we see the dead get ready to pass the wall. We can also have a quick scene of benjen dieing because he accidentally swings the fireball into his own face and burns. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
 In a perfect world i would like the show to be as close as possible to the books with some minor changes here and there because you obviously cannot do the exact same pacing. That's probably not possible either though so it's hard to say what should have been done. Writing your own basic outlines is fine but at the end of the day it's just very broad things which still have to work together while connecting it decently, developing it, etc. I think it's easier to say what could have been improved about the current broad plot points. Sometimes even another way to direct it could change a lot. It's not always really "the writing" even when i only use that term as well (  ) | ||
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Piledriver
United States1697 Posts
The wights we see in S1EP1 actually show a bit of personality and even allow one of the castle black rangers to escape on foot after throwing a severed head as a warning towards him. The sequence portrays the wights as being both stealthy/crafty, as well as having a certain degree of sentience and decision making rather than being just dumb reanimated corpses. I was actually expecting a lot more out of the wights and expected them to be closer to the Undead from warcraft, or Orcs from LotR, wherein they have an underlying set of motivations and have a reason for their actions. The current portrayal of wights and white walkers seems far too one-dimensional. | ||
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killa_robot
Canada1884 Posts
On August 25 2017 11:56 Plansix wrote: The invading army can just march north to fight an unstoppable horde of endless undead that comes with an event knows as the long night. Fight the literally end times and leave person that you brought two armies and 6 seasons of build up behind you. It will work out. Except it would. It would work out fine. Dany has no castles/people to defend that aren't her army, thus leaving something defenseless would just allow Cersei to take it back, which would be fine, because Dragonstone was already empty, and the Lannister's castle was taken more to demoralize them. Dany also clearly already has good supplies, as she's able to support her entire army from a barren rock on the ocean. Cersei can't march up and follow Dany, because that would involve fighting in the snow, which her southeners would be shit at (admittedly so would Dany's men). It would also take away her defensive advantage, also known as the only advantage she has (apart from the god of the ocean). Open terrain would work against her, as dragons and Dothraki would be the better fighting forces. Furthermore, since Cersei knows all, we can assume she also knows Jon is with Dany, meaning Dany has the help of the North (which matters a lot in the snow). To add even more to that, it's not even to Cersei's advantage to push any sort of attack, as having to to buy mercenaries and consolidate their forces will take time anyway. So she's better off just waiting for reinforcements, and allowing Dany's weakened army to attack her refreshed army in a defensive position. The show saying "we need to take Kings landing first" doesn't mean anything. There's no strategic need. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28789 Posts
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Bacillus
Finland2044 Posts
On August 27 2017 02:13 Piledriver wrote: Honestly, the biggest reason why this entire White walker storyline is not particularly interesting is because we don't understand the Night Kings motivations, and the show runners have effectively reduced the wights to brainless zombies. To expand a little bit on this, one of the major draws in early books and seasons was that everyone suffers and struggles. There wasn't any kind of smooth sailing evil overlord that succeeds in everything effortlessly only to be defeated in the very end of the story. Early Lannisters were set up in a bit disney villainish way, but it soon became very obvious that they're as prone to internal conflict, failure and suffering as anyone else. The white walkers completely skip the whole thing. They are much closer to good ol' disney villain in that sense and it feels out of place on a story like this. | ||
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BlackCompany
Germany8388 Posts
Littlefinger dieing? Arya/Sansa dieing? The wall falling, Dany and Jon getting together, Jaime killing Cersei? I feel like there are many good options for a worthy season finale | ||
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