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On April 21 2016 04:00 Cricketer12 wrote:
Someone mentioned Stannis but I am still not convinced he is dead. He told Brienne to do her duty. Her duty isn't to kill Stannis, it's to save Sansa Stark. Even if it wasn't if she is the honarable knight she claims she has no business being judge jury and executioner. It makes more sense for her to arrest Stannis. Brienne is arguably the one pure character, it makes little sense for her to kill Stannis.
It depends how many duties you are keeping track of. Her initial duty was to protect Renly Baratheon, and he was slain by Stannis. Under that premise, it would seem entirely reasonable for her to seek justice on Stannis. She can even do that and simultaneously save Sansa Stark, fulfilling both duties.
I'm not sure he's dead either, but I think it would have made sense if she did do it.
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I'm 100% positive he's dead. I want him to be alive, but when I think about it there is nothing for him anymore. What would be the point?
1. He lost his whole army (well half deserted)
2. Melisandra abandoned him, his family is dead.
3. He's injured (and Brienne won't help him I imagine if she didn't kill him).
Nothing screams out to me that says he could possibly be alive. I wouldn't be sad if I was wrong though.
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On April 21 2016 08:36 blade55555 wrote:
I'm 100% positive he's dead. I want him to be alive, but when I think about it there is nothing for him anymore. What would be the point?
1. He lost his whole army (well half deserted)
2. Melisandra abandoned him, his family is dead.
3. He's injured (and Brienne won't help him I imagine if she didn't kill him).
Nothing screams out to me that says he could possibly be alive. I wouldn't be sad if I was wrong though.
Recognize Stannis is the greatest military commander in Westeros. I think it is possible he ordered the dissertion in the hopes of fighting another day. After all he ended up in woods. The battle started in the middle of a field.
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On April 21 2016 09:14 Cricketer12 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2016 08:36 blade55555 wrote:
I'm 100% positive he's dead. I want him to be alive, but when I think about it there is nothing for him anymore. What would be the point?
1. He lost his whole army (well half deserted)
2. Melisandra abandoned him, his family is dead.
3. He's injured (and Brienne won't help him I imagine if she didn't kill him).
Nothing screams out to me that says he could possibly be alive. I wouldn't be sad if I was wrong though. Recognize Stannis is the greatest military commander in Westeros
I think it's pretty hard to believe this from what we saw
he was crushed at Blackwater, falling in a trap on the river and attacked by behind by Tywin's army
and then he lost again against the northmen (and iirc, he was surprised to see the army rushing to him before he had time to do anything)
all he did was killing some wildings which was not an army at all
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Id say Robb was the best commander from what they actually shown of battle and offscreen stuff. "Hasn't lost a battle yet and ..." Of course that was to set up the aha moment for the red wedding, but I would still stick with Robb.
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Stannis lost a lot less than half his army.
1. The sellswords deserted very early in their march before they even killed the horses.
2. Half his army left after burning his daughter
3. Half his army ran away during the battle.
He only lost 25% of his bannermen (if everyone died during the final battle which is probably not true)
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On April 21 2016 04:49 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2016 04:42 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On April 21 2016 04:23 Godwrath wrote:
She is still the khaleesi as far i know, and probably the dothraki had heard of her conquests on her own, so i doubt they will harm her. So yeah, i expect another season with she wondering how to get back to Meereen and where her dragons are at. by dothraki law, after khal's death, his khalessi must join with khalessi house for service, till death. I agree, Brienne has reasons to kill Stannis and at the same time let him live somehow, the real point is that actor wasn't mentioned in season 6 casts :D Dunno, why the chosed not to show his death, maybe to make us mad and guessing while we are waiting for season 6? They said to not be gratuitous and they thought it was obvious that he was killed.
I think Stannis is dead, but I really don't get the "gratuitous" explanation after what they did to Oberyn. I don't think it would have been gratuitous at all to at least give him the dignity of an on-screen death
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On April 21 2016 09:19 Yhamm wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2016 09:14 Cricketer12 wrote:On April 21 2016 08:36 blade55555 wrote:
I'm 100% positive he's dead. I want him to be alive, but when I think about it there is nothing for him anymore. What would be the point?
1. He lost his whole army (well half deserted)
2. Melisandra abandoned him, his family is dead.
3. He's injured (and Brienne won't help him I imagine if she didn't kill him).
Nothing screams out to me that says he could possibly be alive. I wouldn't be sad if I was wrong though. Recognize Stannis is the greatest military commander in Westeros I think it's pretty hard to believe this from what we saw he was crushed at Blackwater, falling in a trap on the river and attacked by behind by Tywin's army and then he lost again against the northmen (and iirc, he was surprised to see the army rushing to him before he had time to do anything) all he did was killing some wildings which was not an army at all
By the history of GoT Stannis rly one of the strongest commanders alive at those decades, well now not so certain about "alive" but still, vs wildings he just crashed them, it wasn't a fight even, Blackwater fight would've ended other way without wildfire.
But yea, showrunners kinda threw him away with his plot which makes him almost useless, seems like Davos and Melisandre both more important.
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On April 21 2016 18:51 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2016 09:19 Yhamm wrote:On April 21 2016 09:14 Cricketer12 wrote:On April 21 2016 08:36 blade55555 wrote:
I'm 100% positive he's dead. I want him to be alive, but when I think about it there is nothing for him anymore. What would be the point?
1. He lost his whole army (well half deserted)
2. Melisandra abandoned him, his family is dead.
3. He's injured (and Brienne won't help him I imagine if she didn't kill him).
Nothing screams out to me that says he could possibly be alive. I wouldn't be sad if I was wrong though. Recognize Stannis is the greatest military commander in Westeros I think it's pretty hard to believe this from what we saw he was crushed at Blackwater, falling in a trap on the river and attacked by behind by Tywin's army and then he lost again against the northmen (and iirc, he was surprised to see the army rushing to him before he had time to do anything) all he did was killing some wildings which was not an army at all By the history of GoT Stannis rly one of the strongest commanders alive at those decades, well now not so certain about "alive" but still, vs wildings he just crashed them, it wasn't a fight even, Blackwater fight would've ended other way without wildfire. But yea, showrunners kinda threw him away with his plot which makes him almost useless, seems like Davos and Melisandre both more important.
A lot of the other characters talked up Stannis military chops during Season 5. Not so much before hand (Renly isn't scared to fight hm at all for example). Stannis also had no screentime with Shireen until Season 5. I wonder why?
The showrunners really built it all up just to tear him down and kill him off. Personally, I saw it coming and rolled my eyes but it seemed to work on others.
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On April 22 2016 03:05 Wuster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2016 18:51 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On April 21 2016 09:19 Yhamm wrote:On April 21 2016 09:14 Cricketer12 wrote:On April 21 2016 08:36 blade55555 wrote:
I'm 100% positive he's dead. I want him to be alive, but when I think about it there is nothing for him anymore. What would be the point?
1. He lost his whole army (well half deserted)
2. Melisandra abandoned him, his family is dead.
3. He's injured (and Brienne won't help him I imagine if she didn't kill him).
Nothing screams out to me that says he could possibly be alive. I wouldn't be sad if I was wrong though. Recognize Stannis is the greatest military commander in Westeros I think it's pretty hard to believe this from what we saw he was crushed at Blackwater, falling in a trap on the river and attacked by behind by Tywin's army and then he lost again against the northmen (and iirc, he was surprised to see the army rushing to him before he had time to do anything) all he did was killing some wildings which was not an army at all By the history of GoT Stannis rly one of the strongest commanders alive at those decades, well now not so certain about "alive" but still, vs wildings he just crashed them, it wasn't a fight even, Blackwater fight would've ended other way without wildfire. But yea, showrunners kinda threw him away with his plot which makes him almost useless, seems like Davos and Melisandre both more important. A lot of the other characters talked up Stannis military chops during Season 5. Not so much before hand (Renly isn't scared to fight hm at all for example). Stannis also had no screentime with Shireen until Season 5. I wonder why? The showrunners really built it all up just to tear him down and kill him off. Personally, I saw it coming and rolled my eyes but it seemed to work on others.
Personally I was a bit shocked considering what they've done to him and what i've read, the difference is real.
Renly had numbers, ally and people loving him, that's why he wasn't afraid, and after all Renly's bannermans switched to Stannis, flawless victory by Stannis I would say :DDD
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On April 22 2016 03:05 Wuster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2016 18:51 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On April 21 2016 09:19 Yhamm wrote:On April 21 2016 09:14 Cricketer12 wrote:On April 21 2016 08:36 blade55555 wrote:
I'm 100% positive he's dead. I want him to be alive, but when I think about it there is nothing for him anymore. What would be the point?
1. He lost his whole army (well half deserted)
2. Melisandra abandoned him, his family is dead.
3. He's injured (and Brienne won't help him I imagine if she didn't kill him).
Nothing screams out to me that says he could possibly be alive. I wouldn't be sad if I was wrong though. Recognize Stannis is the greatest military commander in Westeros I think it's pretty hard to believe this from what we saw he was crushed at Blackwater, falling in a trap on the river and attacked by behind by Tywin's army and then he lost again against the northmen (and iirc, he was surprised to see the army rushing to him before he had time to do anything) all he did was killing some wildings which was not an army at all By the history of GoT Stannis rly one of the strongest commanders alive at those decades, well now not so certain about "alive" but still, vs wildings he just crashed them, it wasn't a fight even, Blackwater fight would've ended other way without wildfire. But yea, showrunners kinda threw him away with his plot which makes him almost useless, seems like Davos and Melisandre both more important. A lot of the other characters talked up Stannis military chops during Season 5. Not so much before hand (Renly isn't scared to fight hm at all for example). Stannis also had no screentime with Shireen until Season 5. I wonder why? The showrunners really built it all up just to tear him down and kill him off. Personally, I saw it coming and rolled my eyes but it seemed to work on others.
Well of course Renly wasn't scared to fight him. He had what, 80,000+ troops? He had like 8 times (maybe more) the numbers then Stannis. I wouldn't be worried either.
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Yes, and Renly was always a cocky SOB so he's not a great example, but I couldn't think of anyone else going head-to-head with Stannis.
That's what I'm trying to get at, other than Blackwater (when it was the Crown's turn to be hopelessly outnumbered), no one expresses any fear about fighting Stannis until it's time to set him up for his downfall.
To me, he's just been a paper tiger until Season 5.
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On April 22 2016 06:06 Wuster wrote:
Yes, and Renly was always a cocky SOB so he's not a great example, but I couldn't think of anyone else going head-to-head with Stannis.
That's what I'm trying to get at, other than Blackwater (when it was the Crown's turn to be hopelessly outnumbered), no one expresses any fear about fighting Stannis until it's time to set him up for his downfall.
To me, he's just been a paper tiger until Season 5.
You are right, they feel fear about Danny and her dragons,even when Rob was advancing the felt some unpleasant feeling, but with Stannis, they feared his numbers but not at him.
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oh god, yesterday i saw a spoiler picture for episode 1 of upcoming season, just a single weird picture, be careful guys!
although still hyped as fuck
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i have no idea if this thread is spoiler free now
i haven't watched any preview clips or read anything about the new season or read anything in this thread since 6 months ago
i dont want to know anything that will happen (confirmed) in the new season without it being released yet
do i give up on this thread?
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This thread is supposed to be spoiler free but you should always be careful. I remember some posters saying they follow the "don't read the latest page" rule which can be seen as paranoid but at least it lets you be sure that a moderator will have an opportunity to take action before you read that page.
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well i glimpsed at the last 2 posts and they said something like "I JUST READ XXX SPOILERS AND....." so that made me stop reading and post what i said
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nah they just talked about the existence of spoilers somewwhere, not what it was about. But as soon as the first episode is released, expect full spoiler of it ^^
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Guys what time is this live in EU/HBO Nordic?
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