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Laurens
Belgium4557 Posts
On April 20 2016 06:00 Cricketer12 wrote: Exactly, she is so dumb she thinks she is a good person. It baffles me how many people love her. Releasing slaves seems like a good thing to do to me. What makes her evil? | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13996 Posts
On April 20 2016 15:29 Laurens wrote: Releasing slaves seems like a good thing to do to me. What makes her evil? She heartlessly murders her older brother because "fire cannot kill a dragon". She then burns Mirri Maz Dur alive when she almost certainly didn't do anything wrong. Season 2 she was super annoying but she didnt do anything evil. Season 3 and 4 slave release is comendable but cheating a business deal burning a man alive and sending in a new found army to murder all the men 12 and up in a city is not. Season 5 she burned that dude in the crypt who almost certainly did nothing wrong. She forces Hizdahr to marry her. Her entire goal is to unleash an army of unsullied and dragons (and an entire khalasaar if things go her way this season) onto a continent that, as Tyrion made clear to her, want nothing to do with her. | ||
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Laurens
Belgium4557 Posts
Khal Drogo killed her brother, and for good reason, he was a massive dick to his new wife. Dany let it happen and tbh I would too lol. Mirri Mas Duur definitely did something wrong. She implies she will sacrifice a horse to save Khal Drogo, then sacrifices Dany's child instead, and "saving" Drogo is not quite what happens either. Most of the bad things she does are revenge of some sort, against people who she thinks are evil. You could argue this makes her evil too. I still see her as a good character, or at least a character with good intentions. The guy she cheats on in a business deal is a big baddy who makes boys kill their puppies to turn them emotionless or w/e. The only people she orders killed are slave masters. The current king of Westeros pretty much murdered her entire family and forced her to go into exile (well not the current king Tommen but his father), she wants her lands back. That again does not make her evil. She is definitely dumb/naive though. | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
On April 20 2016 16:04 Cricketer12 wrote: She heartlessly murders her older brother You really need to re-watch season 1 if you think she was the evil one. Viserys set his sword point to her belly and threatened to cut her baby out. Not to mention he was mad and whored her out to Drogo in the first place for his own gain. Dany sees herself as lawful good but the world keeps giving her difficult situations where she's damned either way, she generally has good intentions. | ||
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Scorch
Austria3371 Posts
On April 20 2016 16:04 Cricketer12 wrote: She heartlessly murders her older brother because "fire cannot kill a dragon". She then burns Mirri Maz Dur alive when she almost certainly didn't do anything wrong. Season 2 she was super annoying but she didnt do anything evil. Season 3 and 4 slave release is comendable but cheating a business deal burning a man alive and sending in a new found army to murder all the men 12 and up in a city is not. Season 5 she burned that dude in the crypt who almost certainly did nothing wrong. She forces Hizdahr to marry her. Her entire goal is to unleash an army of unsullied and dragons (and an entire khalasaar if things go her way this season) onto a continent that, as Tyrion made clear to her, want nothing to do with her. Game of Thrones plays in a society where killing someone out of revenge is totally accepted, monarchs can sentence their subjects to death pretty much at will, and killing is a legitimate means to claim your rightful throne as long as you're victorious in the end. Basically, the one in power is always right. In this context, what Daenerys does is much less problematic. Killing the masters is a just cause in the eyes of many, and much of the killing she does happens out of political necessity. It is clearly shown that she is trying to do the right thing, deciding very carefully and often against her own convictions because it's what needs to be done. | ||
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Hyperbola
United States2553 Posts
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sertas
Sweden890 Posts
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Sent.
Poland9299 Posts
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18291 Posts
On April 21 2016 02:34 opisska wrote: They really started slacking in the whole "unexpectedly killing off main characters" department. I wouldn't mine Danaerys, Tyrion, Cersei, Arya or Jon (for realz this time) dying out of the blue. Otherwise it just gets predictable. Yup. One per season isn't enough. Need more blood! There are far more interesting things to do with those characters than just lopping off their heads. Case in point: Cersei's walk of shame. The death needs to serve a purpose, and while for Stannis it was simply a convenient end to his arc, every single other major death has had profound effects on political development in Westeros. | ||
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Wuster
1974 Posts
On April 21 2016 01:00 Sent. wrote: If she dies now her entire arc would end up being pointless, I think that's even worse for the viewer than an annoying main character. I hope someone beats her up but or something but I don't want her dead, at least not in the upcoming season Exactly why it's obvious she's one of the main characters. I'm not saying she'll survive the entire series and/or win the Iron Throne back, but it's clear she won't die before making it back to Westeros and doing something impactful there (although there's a small possibility it's all a long con and her only purpose was to birth dragons that someone else takes back to Westeros, but I doubt it). | ||
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
the same point was with Stannis-Davos in TV series but ye, ofc, why would I even dream bout it, she definitely got plot armor  | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13996 Posts
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Cricketer12
United States13996 Posts
On April 20 2016 17:26 Scorch wrote: Game of Thrones plays in a society where killing someone out of revenge is totally accepted, monarchs can sentence their subjects to death pretty much at will, and killing is a legitimate means to claim your rightful throne as long as you're victorious in the end. Basically, the one in power is always right. In this context, what Daenerys does is much less problematic. Killing the masters is a just cause in the eyes of many, and much of the killing she does happens out of political necessity. It is clearly shown that she is trying to do the right thing, deciding very carefully and often against her own convictions because it's what needs to be done. But she doesnt NEED to conquer Westeros. She doesnt NEED to consume the land in another war. She thinks she is doing it for thr commoners, when they are the ones who will benefit from her arrival. How often do we meet villains who truly think they are doing the right thing... one way or another her arc will end with her dragons running amok in country with no answer. | ||
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jxx
Brazil307 Posts
On April 21 2016 04:00 Cricketer12 wrote: Someone mentioned Stannis but I am still not convinced he is dead. He told Brienne to do her duty. Her duty isn't to kill Stannis, it's to save Sansa Stark. Even if it wasn't if she is the honarable knight she claims she has no business being judge jury and executioner. It makes more sense for her to arrest Stannis. Brienne is arguably the one pure character, it makes little sense for her to kill Stannis. Uhm... It makes perfect sense for her to kill Stannis since he killed Renly (whom she loved), she knows he killed him AND she is actively seeking vengeance. | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10142 Posts
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
On April 21 2016 04:23 Godwrath wrote: She is still the khaleesi as far i know, and probably the dothraki had heard of her conquests on her own, so i doubt they will harm her. So yeah, i expect another season with she wondering how to get back to Meereen and where her dragons are at. by dothraki law, after khal's death, his khalessi must join with khalessi house for service, till death. I agree, Brienne has reasons to kill Stannis and at the same time let him live somehow, the real point is that actor wasn't mentioned in season 6 casts :D Dunno, why the chosed not to show his death, maybe to make us mad and guessing while we are waiting for season 6? | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On April 21 2016 04:42 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: by dothraki law, after khal's death, his khalessi must join with khalessi house for service, till death. I agree, Brienne has reasons to kill Stannis and at the same time let him live somehow, the real point is that actor wasn't mentioned in season 6 casts :D Dunno, why the chosed not to show his death, maybe to make us mad and guessing while we are waiting for season 6? They said to not be gratuitous and they thought it was obvious that he was killed. | ||
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Scorch
Austria3371 Posts
On April 21 2016 04:04 Cricketer12 wrote: But she doesnt NEED to conquer Westeros. She doesnt NEED to consume the land in another war. She thinks she is doing it for thr commoners, when they are the ones who will benefit from her arrival. How often do we meet villains who truly think they are doing the right thing... one way or another her arc will end with her dragons running amok in country with no answer. It's not evil to be ambitious if it's socially and legally acceptable or even expected. Stannis didn't even want the crown, yet he considered it his duty to take it. Dany arguably has a rightful claim as well, so within the context of the Game of Thrones world, there's nothing wrong with doing anything necessary to take the throne. You can't apply modern western standards to a feudal medieval world. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
You have highlighted the number one problem with monarchy as a form of government, the transfer of power. Good and evil has nothing to do with it, the only way they know how to transfer power is war. And Daenerys does not need to go to war to claim the throne, but she will because she wants power and other people want her to. And those people want power. | ||
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