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Scorch
Austria3371 Posts
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crms
United States11933 Posts
On June 10 2015 20:50 TerransHill wrote: Dont know how you can still defend stannis. This was not about survival, he can always go back to castle black, let go of the iron throne, but he chose to burn his daughter instead, all for a little bit of hope. 'little bit of hope'? He believes that he must be on the throne before winter comes or Westeros is doomed and will not defeat the white walkers. He didn't sacrifice his daughter for some 'little hope' of being a King, he could give a shit about being King. He thinks his cause is just and he truly believes in Melissandres visions. He could be misled but his cause is just. | ||
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palexhur
Colombia730 Posts
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BluzMan
Russian Federation4235 Posts
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oGoZenob
France1503 Posts
On June 10 2015 23:09 TerransHill wrote: I understand that he is a religious fanatic, not a rational thinker and trusts in a woman that is obviously evil. But how does that make people root for him? well religion seems to be a big motivation, even in modern days. Look at ISIS, they are religious fanatics that pretty much kill everyone they don't like, and they have no trouble finding more and more "soldiers" to fight and die for them | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
On June 11 2015 00:13 BluzMan wrote: I'm interested if people's support for Stannis and the necessity of the burning scene correlates with them having read the books. I expect the correlation to be strong, but who knows. that's always the danger in this thread but as a non-book reader I feel his intentions have been clear from the start. Whether he's correct to trust the lady in Red is up for debate, but I think it's obvious that Stannis believes he needs to be King not for personal aspirations but for necessity to serve the Kingdom and protect Westeros. | ||
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shin_toss
Philippines2589 Posts
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Nesserev
Belgium2760 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22350 Posts
On June 11 2015 00:13 BluzMan wrote: I'm interested if people's support for Stannis and the necessity of the burning scene correlates with them having read the books. I expect the correlation to be strong, but who knows. I have only read the first 2 books and we are way way beyond that and yes I support Stannis's actions. Stannis is far from a normal man but his reasoning is logical, despite the seemingly insane action of sacrificing his own daughter. Melisandra was worthy of mistrust but time and time again he has been confronted with the reality of her power. Some people here say he is blindly following her but would you not do the same if you have seen what he has seen? She drank poison and was unharmed back on Dragonstone, the shadow that killed Renly, her visions that have all come true. His only defeat, where he decided to not bring her at the urging of Davos and a dozen other minor signs. He was not willing to sacrifice his daughter until he had no other option (other then forsake any chance of gaining the throne). The man is ruthless but his actions are logical. | ||
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oGoZenob
France1503 Posts
On June 11 2015 00:13 BluzMan wrote: I'm interested if people's support for Stannis and the necessity of the burning scene correlates with them having read the books. I expect the correlation to be strong, but who knows. you can actually ask that in the book thread, you wont get spoiled because the books are less advanced in this matter than the show | ||
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TerransHill
Germany572 Posts
On June 10 2015 23:40 crms wrote: 'little bit of hope'? He believes that he must be on the throne before winter comes or Westeros is doomed and will not defeat the white walkers. He didn't sacrifice his daughter for some 'little hope' of being a King, he could give a shit about being King. He thinks his cause is just and he truly believes in Melissandres visions. He could be misled but his cause is just. And only because he thinks that his cause is just does make him a good person? A guy to root for? Doesn't everyone think that his cause is the right one? Of course, from an objective point of view, you could argue that he has indeed the strongest claim (maybe apart from Daenerys) but even theres a line which you would never cross if you were a somewhat decent or sane person. | ||
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Salteador Neo
Andorra5591 Posts
Stannis has nowhere to go but south, going back to Castle Black would not improve his situation at all. | ||
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BluzMan
Russian Federation4235 Posts
On June 11 2015 00:50 oGoZenob wrote: you can actually ask that in the book thread, you wont get spoiled because the books are less advanced in this matter than the show Not reading that thread until episode 10 =) | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
You might not want to do that even then. Read the books first then go there | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
On June 11 2015 00:51 TerransHill wrote: And only because he thinks that his cause is just does make him a good person? A guy to root for? Doesn't everyone think that his cause is the right one? Of course, from an objective point of view, you could argue that he has indeed the strongest claim (maybe apart from Daenerys) but even theres a line which you would never cross if you were a somewhat decent or sane person. If what the Red lady says is true, Stannis has to be King or Westeros will fall to the walkers come winter, to the 'true threat of the kingdoms' from the North. I'd say as horrific as it may be, sacrificing your daughter to protect all of Westeros from zombie invaders to be just. Now, if the Red Lady is correct is an entirely different debate. If the Red lady is full of shit Stannis is a mindless fanatic following a 'false prophet'. If the Red Lady is correct, as Stannis believes, he must do whatever it takes to get to the Throne or all will perish. The Red Lady has certainly time and time again proven herself but I'm still not convinced the Lord of Light or the Red Lady aren't actually evil. We will just have to wait and find out. | ||
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SoSexy
Italy3725 Posts
Also, with the end of Season 5 are we on par with the books? o.o so no more fear of spoilers on 4chan? | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
On June 11 2015 01:26 SoSexy wrote: I trule understood that GoT is a FANTASTY show when Jon Snow turned down Melissandre. That would just not happen. Also, with the end of Season 5 are we on par with the books? o.o so no more fear of spoilers on 4chan? I think the show is ahead of the books on some stories and behind on others. I don't think the show catches up/passes all story lines until next season? I could be wrong but I don't wanna look it up and get spoiled.  | ||
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oGoZenob
France1503 Posts
On June 11 2015 00:56 -Archangel- wrote: You might not want to do that even then. Read the books first then go there For that thread is dark, and full of spoilers | ||
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JonnyBNoHo
United States6277 Posts
On June 10 2015 23:09 TerransHill wrote: I understand that he is a religious fanatic, not a rational thinker and trusts in a woman that is obviously evil. But how does that make people root for him? Well he is rational. Magic is real in the series so following someone because their magic powers say so isn't irrational. Also, a lot of his troops would die in the march. Retreat vs a decisive victory would likely cause more on his side to die. Long term, the Lannisters aren't going to let Stannis' rebellion go unpunished. If he doesn't win the throne, he and his family will need to flee the country and hide or face a very possible execution. | ||
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GrapeApe
1053 Posts
I get why he did it, and hell maybe it will work out and pay off for him...but ugh. I liked her  Gotta fight back the zombie invasion, I suppose...and he seems to be the only guy with "power" who is acknowledging the threat. | ||
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