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Finally, Davos would make the best Hand of the King without a doubt. Only Tyrion could rival him for that position.
I disagree. Davos would make an OK Hand at best. He's honorable and nice, but he's not the political type. Tyrion is the perfect Hand.
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I was thinking about who would be a logical person to betray Dany, or scheme against her. Obviously it needs to be someone with some power or connections, otherwise they couldn't organize such a massive attack. It being a complete stranger just feels anti-climactic. Tyrion, her servant, grey worm and now her 'husband' are out of the question.
Daario has had the chance to kill Dany numerous times of course, and the way they were surrounded in the arena there was just no way out Had the dragon not come, they would have all died. Or perhaps they would have subdued them, and then Daario can show his true colors. Perhaps that's why they didn't attack so eagerly or didn't throw spears. That is the only option for it to be him imo. It could be possible otherwise too, editors cleverly masking his surprise or relief when Hizdahr was stabbed after he said 'I know a way out'. If it was Daario, he could be dissapointed that his plan was about to fall into pieces, rather than scared for Dany. Plus killing all the masters or making sure they take all the blame makes sure there aren't any other big players in the city and it's easier to assume control. However, the surrounding scene still makes me doubt it's him, as he didn't suggest surrendering and fought back.
Perhaps it's the whole city that is slowly turning against her though.
BTW all the whining in this thread is blowing out of proportions. Yes, maybe you think game of thrones was the best thing ever to air TV for the first four seasons. Maybe it's not setting the standard for everything else this season. But it's not bad, the CGI isn't bad, the acting isn't bad. I also feel that the supposed plotholes some of you see (stannis's behaviour etc) are just your own simplicity and inability to relate and understand the character. Regardless, some of you would rather judge first and think then, and that is not constructive and makes this thread blow up with nonsense rather than proper discussion
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Russian Federation4235 Posts
Bleh it was just Daario not being happy about his lover's marriage.
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i wanted to see more of butch warrior woman and her helper dey shud have doubled the length of the season just to show more of them maybe ill read da bookz. i wud like to see more of arya too
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What is arya shouting in the market ? "Oysters clams and ?"
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So, what is Stannis' plan now ? As far as I know his army is sitting duck in the snow without food. Are the wildlings going to reinforce him and bring provisions from Castle Black ? If that doesn't happen he has to pray that this "Lord of Light" actually exists and can do miracles, otherwise we will have really disapointing(and sad) end on his story line. Also we learned why dragons went extinct. They are not very smart. If you can fly and burn your enemies from above, why the hell would you land and take spears to the face.
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On June 11 2015 19:00 oGoZenob wrote: What is arya shouting in the market ? "Oysters clams and ?" cockles
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On June 11 2015 06:18 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 06:07 EleanorRIgby wrote: i got a strong feeling from the show that danys slave master husband was a harpy and possibly their leader, but then they just kill him? So he was innocent after all? I speculated that before yes, It is not unlikely that he was the leader and some one else decided that his idea of making peace now that he was ruler in name only was not enough. maybe they realised leader of harpies gets to marry danny so they're just killing whoever takes the place as dannys husband
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Netherlands21351 Posts
On June 11 2015 19:14 Pr0wler wrote: So, what is Stannis' plan now ? As far as I know his army is sitting duck in the snow without food. Are the wildlings going to reinforce him and bring provisions from Castle Black ? If that doesn't happen he has to pray that this "Lord of Light" actually exists and can do miracles, otherwise we will have really disapointing(and sad) end on his story line. Also we learned why dragons went extinct. They are not very smart. If you can fly and burn your enemies from above, why the hell would you land and take spears to the face. Really? The previous dozen of instances in which the Lord of Light was actually proven to be a thing were not enough to convince you?
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On June 11 2015 18:45 FFGenerations wrote: i wanted to see more of butch warrior woman and her helper dey shud have doubled the length of the season just to show more of them maybe ill read da bookz. i wud like to see more of arya too Brienne is busy staying up every night watching a tower though. I predict that by the time we see her and her squire next season, she will have trained Podrick to the point where he's top 3 Westeros
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On June 11 2015 19:14 Pr0wler wrote:
Also we learned why dragons went extinct. They are not very smart. If you can fly and burn your enemies from above, why the hell would you land and take spears to the face. My guess would be this is first time he had to fight humans with spears. As long as they learn from their mistakes they will be OK.
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do people really eat osyters like that in the show with like vanilla extract just straight on top O_o because idk think that wouldnt be a nice combination
edit: i meant to say wouldnt*
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Germany25649 Posts
I personally have never eaten an oister, but it looks yucky
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On June 11 2015 19:39 Shock710 wrote: do people really eat osyters like that in the show with like vanilla extract just straight on top O_o because idk think that would be a nice combination Vanilla? Vinegar, right? Usually, it's lemon, but anything that's a bit sour will do, I suppose.
Also, Melisandre got most of her magic working alright, but didn't she use the leeches to 'predict' the deaths of 3 usurpers: Joffrey, Robb and Balon Greyjoy? I don't think we've heard anything about the last one in a while, or have I missed something? His death would be the end of the Greyjoy name too...
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On June 11 2015 19:25 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 19:14 Pr0wler wrote: So, what is Stannis' plan now ? As far as I know his army is sitting duck in the snow without food. Are the wildlings going to reinforce him and bring provisions from Castle Black ? If that doesn't happen he has to pray that this "Lord of Light" actually exists and can do miracles, otherwise we will have really disapointing(and sad) end on his story line. Also we learned why dragons went extinct. They are not very smart. If you can fly and burn your enemies from above, why the hell would you land and take spears to the face. Really? The previous dozen of instances in which the Lord of Light was actually proven to be a thing were not enough to convince you? Woah let's take a step back for a moment. Let's review the things Mel has brought to the table. The birth of the shadow illustrated she definitely has *some* ability with magic. I'm dubious that this is actually a lord of light thing, echoing Davos' concerns but let's just say that it is. That said, this extremely concrete use of magic I think was planted early on to hide Mel's lack of ability elsewhere.
The only instance of King's blood being used so far is Gendry which has resulted in 2/3 of deaths it predicted. The fact it's taken so long for the last one should be taken as a sign that maybe the deaths of Rob and Joffrey weren't entirely Stannis' doing. Let's look at the evidence, Rob beheaded the Karstark guy (planting the necessity for more troops and concerning his close advisers) and married Talisa (backtracking on his word to marry a Frey girl) well before Mel cursed him. There's evidence (from all the scenes of Tywin writing and whatnot) that Tywin-Roose were already in cahoots and even more so after the Karstark beheading. All the pieces were set in motion long before the blood was burned. With regard to Joffrey's murder, the conversation between Sansa-Olenna which inspired Olenna-Littlefinger to work together (and ultimately kill Joef) happened the episode before the blood was burned. Again, the pieces were set in motion before the burning of the blood. Honestly, it could just as plausibly have been Mel seeing the deaths of Robb and Joff (and Balon?) in the flames and then using the blood to con Stannis into thinking it was his doing. After all, there is that critical scene between Mel and Selyse discussing how most of Mel's potions are just illusions.
Mel also clearly has some prophetic ability, but her predictions aren't spot on. For instance she didn't predict the result of the Blackwater correctly, but did correctly predict (after Davos brought the letter) that the real war is in the north and diverted Stannis to that battle. She predicted the exact location of Gendry, but failed to predict Davos stealing Gendry from under her nose. There's good reason to question just how accurate or powerful that she is.
It's also worth pointing out that Thoros resurrecting Beric took Mel by surprise, and that Stannis likely does not know about that.
The tldr is that there's plenty of rational reasons why you should or could doubt Mel's abilities. Part of Stannis' decision is to overlook those shortcomings in pursuit of the Iron Throne.
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I don't quite remember the blackwater prophecy. Didn't something happen to throw her prophecy off? Also, was it one of those TECHNICALLY correct prophecies in terms of how she worded it?
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
Well she was left behind
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On June 11 2015 20:00 aseq wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 19:39 Shock710 wrote: do people really eat osyters like that in the show with like vanilla extract just straight on top O_o because idk think that would be a nice combination Vanilla? Vinegar, right? Usually, it's lemon, but anything that's a bit sour will do, I suppose. Also, Melisandre got most of her magic working alright, but didn't she use the leeches to 'predict' the deaths of 3 usurpers: Joffrey, Robb and Balon Greyjoy? I don't think we've heard anything about the last one in a while, or have I missed something? His death would be the end of the Greyjoy name too... oh vinegar T_T for some reason my brain thought she said vanilla omg i was like wtf when watching so confused
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On June 11 2015 19:52 KadaverBB wrote:I personally have never eaten an oister, but it looks yucky  Me neither. I actually love seafood but oysters scare the shit out of me LOL. Just looks like snot. :shivers: I also thought she said vanilla but vinegar makes more sense.
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