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EleanorRIgby
Canada3923 Posts
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
On June 11 2015 00:51 TerransHill wrote: And only because he thinks that his cause is just does make him a good person? A guy to root for? Doesn't everyone think that his cause is the right one? Of course, from an objective point of view, you could argue that he has indeed the strongest claim (maybe apart from Daenerys) but even theres a line which you would never cross if you were a somewhat decent or sane person. Stannis is the rightful heir to the Iron Throne, at least if you accept that the Targaeryen name is gone. He was Robert's heir, and Robert produced no legitimate children, therefore he had no one to pass his legacy on to except for Stannis. Stannis is also a man of great conviction and resolve. It's clear he is strict and demanding, but he is a fair man as well. Those are all traits that make for a good ruler. On the topic of "just cause = good person", I don't really think he gives a shit if people think he is a good person or not. Perceptions hardly matter when you're trying to save the entire world, or are at least led to believe to be doing so. I thought Stannis was a good person until what he did to Shireen, but I can still respect his dedication to his "destiny" or what have you. I also agree with what you said about his look when she was burning. He did look like he was losing some of his sanity when he watched it happen. Of all the current/potential rulers of Westeros, Stannis is the most logical choice to me. The Lannisters can rot in hell, Dany has absolutely 0 experience and little knowledge of the land she seeks to conquer, and everyone else just sucks. All that said, Stannis is still not the perfect ruler by any means. His sometimes blind trust in Melisandre and the Lord of Light is a dangerous road to take, and he has a severe case of tunnel vision. Finally, Davos would make the best Hand of the King without a doubt. Only Tyrion could rival him for that position. | ||
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kwizach
3658 Posts
I don't know if that's coming from the book, but in the tv show he very much does give a shit about being king. | ||
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Adreme
United States5574 Posts
On June 11 2015 06:09 kwizach wrote: I don't know if that's coming from the book, but in the tv show he very much does give a shit about being king. He cares about the fact that he has been told he HAS to be on the iron throne when winter hits or the world is doomed. Thats a fact everyone keeps forgetting and its that nobody has given a possible choice beyond "let most of your men starve on the way back to castle black because sentencing most of your men to death is more honorable then killing one". If someone had another alternative that even just allowed Stannis to not have to choose between the world and his daughter I am fairly certain he would have chosen it but there just was not one. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22453 Posts
On June 11 2015 06:07 EleanorRIgby wrote: i got a strong feeling from the show that danys slave master husband was a harpy and possibly their leader, but then they just kill him? So he was innocent after all? I speculated that before yes, It is not unlikely that he was the leader and some one else decided that his idea of making peace now that he was ruler in name only was not enough. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24130 Posts
On June 11 2015 06:18 Gorsameth wrote: I speculated that before yes, It is not unlikely that he was the leader and some one else decided that his idea of making peace now that he was ruler in name only was not enough. Yeah I lean toward this interpretation. His statement about being late "I was making sure everything was in order" indicated to me he was either trying to prevent the attack or making sure they knew not to kill him or whatever. Seems like there was an argument about what to do for the Harpy's and his side lost and no one told him before the games started. | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
On June 11 2015 06:09 kwizach wrote: I don't know if that's coming from the book, but in the tv show he very much does give a shit about being king. I haven't read the books. Stannis does care about becoming King, very much so because he has been led to believe if he isn't king before 'winter comes' Westeros is doomed. He has never expressed any personal desire to be the King other than he is the lawful heir and according to the Red Lady he is the true protector of Westeros. I feel like people claiming Stannis is a power hungry madman who just wants to be King for personal glory haven't been paying any attention to the story. I actually feel bad if that's how anyone has interpreted Stannis for the last 5 seasons because they've missed a whole hell of a lot. This was especially obvious during the dialogue between Melisandre and Stannis about whether to march on King's Landing or go help The Night's Watch. Melisandre even mentions the squabbles and back and forth of the houses over the Iron Throne are pointless and the true protector of Westeros needs to assist the Night's watch to rally the wildlings for the impending doom from the North. Stannis truly believes to save Westeros from the coming forces in the North, he must be the King. If Robert was never killed and Stannis never had the Red Lady feeding him stories (true or not) he would have never given two shits about becoming a King and would be chilling back at his Castle. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
Though...the latter continuously rises and falls because her "right" isn't very consistent, and she's mostly a failure at cooperating with anyone else. | ||
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Assault_1
Canada1950 Posts
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B.I.G.
3251 Posts
On June 11 2015 11:56 Assault_1 wrote: Tommen is such a sissy, I wish Jeoffrey was still king he'd know how to deal with those religious douchbags. I'd like to see them try blocking jeoffrey on the staircase Hahah someone is slowly catching up  be careful about reading the comments here | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On June 11 2015 10:32 WolfintheSheep wrote: Interesting to note that the whole Game of Thrones is turning into one very long game of the Prisoner's Dilemma. All the schemers and backstabbers are slowly dwindling and losing most of their power after initial gains, and the ones that lost the most early on, but continue to gain back as the series continues are the ones who make the "right choices", namely the Starks, Stannis, Tyrells and Daenarys. Though...the latter continuously rises and falls because her "right" isn't very consistent, and she's mostly a failure at cooperating with anyone else. Someone is forgetting about littlefinger  . | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On June 11 2015 12:18 blade55555 wrote: Someone is forgetting about littlefinger .Well, the Prisoner's Dilemma does tend to fall apart when no one realizes the same guy keeps selling everyone out every time  . | ||
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palexhur
Colombia730 Posts
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On June 11 2015 14:17 palexhur wrote: Stannis care a lot about being a King, because he thinks he has the right, just after some time Mel told him that he would be the savior of Westeros, so dont portrait him like he first wants to be the savior and then the King, because that is wrong. Stannis is very much a letter-of-the-law kind of guy. He certainly cares about being King, but only because the law says he is the King. If Joffrey had been a legitimate heir, he would've been one of the first to bend a knee. | ||
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Spaylz
Japan1743 Posts
On June 11 2015 14:39 WolfintheSheep wrote: Stannis is very much a letter-of-the-law kind of guy. He certainly cares about being King, but only because the law says he is the King. If Joffrey had been a legitimate heir, he would've been one of the first to bend a knee. I think he is much more complex than that. For all his talk of duty and not wanting to be king but being bound to it (as per his speech when he comes to free Davos from prison), he is a human being. He can lie or delude himself. I do think that, yes, most of his motivation comes from his duty. It is absolutely within his character, and he has proved more than once than he does his duty when bid. Examples are given by himself way back in season 2: holding Storm's End, giving it up because it was Robert's order, or even joining the rebellion in the first place. However, Stannis has to want to be king on some personal level. He is a dutiful man, but also a very bitter man. He has been underappreciated his whole life (at least in his eyes), standing in the shadow of Robert. Then once Renly was old enough, he overshadowed him as well because he was more charismatic, more liked by the people. And because he had Storm's End. That is why his character is interesting. He has many layers. He is driven by duty, but also by desire and by a sense of urgency instigated by Melisandre. He is aware of the threat of the White Walkers, and he has been told by her that he is the one who will save humanity from them. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On June 11 2015 15:04 Spaylz wrote: I think he is much more complex than that. For all his talk of duty and not wanting to be king but being bound to it (as per his speech when he comes to free Davos from prison), he is a human being. He can lie or delude himself. I do think that, yes, most of his motivation comes from his duty. It is absolutely within his character, and he has proved more than once than he does his duty when bid. Examples are given by himself way back in season 2: holding Storm's End, giving it up because it was Robert's order, or even joining the rebellion in the first place. However, Stannis has to want to be king on some personal level. He is a dutiful man, but also a very bitter man. He has been underappreciated his whole life (at least in his eyes), standing in the shadow of Robert. Then once Renly was old enough, he overshadowed him as well because he was more charismatic, more liked by the people. And because he had Storm's End. That is why his character is interesting. He has many layers. He is driven by duty, but also by desire and by a sense of urgency instigated by Melisandre. He is aware of the threat of the White Walkers, and he has been told by her that he is the one who will save humanity from them. Well, he certainly and ambitions and desires for more power and land and titles, unlike someone like Ned Stark. He just didn't do anything about it, even voicing those desires, because it was his duty to accept his place and the decisions of his King (and you could certainly argue that he had a right to at least protest the inheritance of Storm's End). By the show's standards, he's an honourable man (one of the most honourable in the series not named Stark), just not an inherently good man. He also doesn't want to be King. He is King, at least in the way he acts. He's named a Hand, he's taken the titles, and even the movement of his army north is because it is a King's duty to give aid in defence of the Wall. | ||
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domane
Canada1606 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + It feels like Daario is the one behind the assassination attempt. We can hear Tyrion realizing and telling someone "it was you" in the episode 10 preview. He managed to find that mask easily enough during an earlier episode and his sellswords are somehow absent at the arena. Hizdahr being stabbed ... either it was planned and non-fatal or he was betrayed. | ||
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JonnyBNoHo
United States6277 Posts
On June 11 2015 15:04 Spaylz wrote: I think he is much more complex than that. For all his talk of duty and not wanting to be king but being bound to it (as per his speech when he comes to free Davos from prison), he is a human being. He can lie or delude himself. I do think that, yes, most of his motivation comes from his duty. It is absolutely within his character, and he has proved more than once than he does his duty when bid. Examples are given by himself way back in season 2: holding Storm's End, giving it up because it was Robert's order, or even joining the rebellion in the first place. However, Stannis has to want to be king on some personal level. He is a dutiful man, but also a very bitter man. He has been underappreciated his whole life (at least in his eyes), standing in the shadow of Robert. Then once Renly was old enough, he overshadowed him as well because he was more charismatic, more liked by the people. And because he had Storm's End. That is why his character is interesting. He has many layers. He is driven by duty, but also by desire and by a sense of urgency instigated by Melisandre. He is aware of the threat of the White Walkers, and he has been told by her that he is the one who will save humanity from them. I think that's an excellent description | ||
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Zooper31
United States5713 Posts
On June 11 2015 15:33 domane wrote: + Show Spoiler + It feels like Daario is the one behind the assassination attempt. We can hear Tyrion realizing and telling someone "it was you" in the episode 10 preview. He managed to find that mask easily enough during an earlier episode and his sellswords are somehow absent at the arena. Hizdahr being stabbed ... either it was planned and non-fatal or he was betrayed Please don't talk about previews for the next episode without spoilers. | ||
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shin_toss
Philippines2589 Posts
Imo Season 6 will be great. lol | ||
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