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On June 10 2015 11:59 Kickstart wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 11:47 Garuga wrote:
I wasn't really surprised that he decided to kill his daughter. Even though the show seemed like it was building a strong, familial relationship with Shareen and Stannis, we already know what kind of king Stannis is; he already used red magic to kill his brother Renly, seemingly without remorse, so it isn't that surprising that he chose his kingly ambitions over some daughter that he was only close with in the last few episodes.
Did anyone notice the mixed messages of sexuality the show was portraying? The scene with Meryn Trant ("too old") was a good scene that showed the dislike of pedophilia, but the scene between Ellaria and Jamie kind of defeated the message. Ellaria was talking about incest not being something that would be frowned upon in Dorne, and basically portrayed the message that people "like what they like" and she wasn't going to judge anyone for it. I thought this defeated the emotion that the pedophilia scene tried to bring out because it makes the viewer wonder if Ellaria is right and start thinking whether Meryn Trant just likes what he likes and that might not be frowned upon elsewhere. Seems like the show could have pieced together the episode better IMO to get the most emotion out of those scenes.
Also, won't Dany have dragonscale because she touched Jorah's hand when he had it? And does that in turn mean that Missandei now has dragonscale because they were holding hands in the arena? And does that in turn mean that Drogon has dragonscale because she touched the dragon after she touched Jorah when he had dragonscale? And does that in turn mean that Tyrion will take the Iron Throne once and for all--I think all signs point to "yes." On the dragonscale thing I don't think its as clear as "if someone has it at all they are contagious to everyone". Stannis' daughter had it all through the show but didnt infect anyone, they had stopped it from spreading but she still had it on her face. I assume it isn't contagious till the later stages or maybe just on the infected areas (but if it is touching from infected areas that doesn't explain Shireen cause people touched her face),
Shireen is cured, that's just scarring on her face.
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lol its a show. a fantasy show. It would really be boring if its just a 10 seasons of politics and deception, the show has to move on somehow to its original path. Regarding the timings of White Walkers and Dragons etcs. White Walker army is marching down south so I don't see how its not plausible for them to encounter the Wildling camp. WW are magical creatures and is safe to assume that they can feel human presence nearby esp if there many( what do u want, White Walkers appear on Ep10 of Season 7? lol). Same on the Dragon scene, there at least somehow a connection bet Dany and her Dragons, and Drogon felt that Dany is in trouble.(That is very basic, its sad that somehow some people are being too critical for a fantasy show) You guys haven't watch any other action/sci-fi shows? Cops always arrives late, Rescue always comes split second before someone almost die, Bombs get defused few secs before it explodes. Having a balance of realism and awesomeness is better than just pure realism, entertainment value will be lost imo.
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On June 10 2015 12:17 Scarecrow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 11:59 Kickstart wrote:On June 10 2015 11:47 Garuga wrote:
I wasn't really surprised that he decided to kill his daughter. Even though the show seemed like it was building a strong, familial relationship with Shareen and Stannis, we already know what kind of king Stannis is; he already used red magic to kill his brother Renly, seemingly without remorse, so it isn't that surprising that he chose his kingly ambitions over some daughter that he was only close with in the last few episodes.
Did anyone notice the mixed messages of sexuality the show was portraying? The scene with Meryn Trant ("too old") was a good scene that showed the dislike of pedophilia, but the scene between Ellaria and Jamie kind of defeated the message. Ellaria was talking about incest not being something that would be frowned upon in Dorne, and basically portrayed the message that people "like what they like" and she wasn't going to judge anyone for it. I thought this defeated the emotion that the pedophilia scene tried to bring out because it makes the viewer wonder if Ellaria is right and start thinking whether Meryn Trant just likes what he likes and that might not be frowned upon elsewhere. Seems like the show could have pieced together the episode better IMO to get the most emotion out of those scenes.
Also, won't Dany have dragonscale because she touched Jorah's hand when he had it? And does that in turn mean that Missandei now has dragonscale because they were holding hands in the arena? And does that in turn mean that Drogon has dragonscale because she touched the dragon after she touched Jorah when he had dragonscale? And does that in turn mean that Tyrion will take the Iron Throne once and for all--I think all signs point to "yes." On the dragonscale thing I don't think its as clear as "if someone has it at all they are contagious to everyone". Stannis' daughter had it all through the show but didnt infect anyone, they had stopped it from spreading but she still had it on her face. I assume it isn't contagious till the later stages or maybe just on the infected areas (but if it is touching from infected areas that doesn't explain Shireen cause people touched her face), Shireen is cured, that's just scarring on her face.
I do wonder though if they cured her illness why is it still an issue. I mean yes he had to call in favors from all around the world but I mean once someone succeeded wouldnt any competent doctor (well maester) just apply that cure far and wide and make it known that this is how you cure greyscale
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On June 10 2015 13:10 Adreme wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 12:17 Scarecrow wrote:On June 10 2015 11:59 Kickstart wrote:On June 10 2015 11:47 Garuga wrote:
I wasn't really surprised that he decided to kill his daughter. Even though the show seemed like it was building a strong, familial relationship with Shareen and Stannis, we already know what kind of king Stannis is; he already used red magic to kill his brother Renly, seemingly without remorse, so it isn't that surprising that he chose his kingly ambitions over some daughter that he was only close with in the last few episodes.
Did anyone notice the mixed messages of sexuality the show was portraying? The scene with Meryn Trant ("too old") was a good scene that showed the dislike of pedophilia, but the scene between Ellaria and Jamie kind of defeated the message. Ellaria was talking about incest not being something that would be frowned upon in Dorne, and basically portrayed the message that people "like what they like" and she wasn't going to judge anyone for it. I thought this defeated the emotion that the pedophilia scene tried to bring out because it makes the viewer wonder if Ellaria is right and start thinking whether Meryn Trant just likes what he likes and that might not be frowned upon elsewhere. Seems like the show could have pieced together the episode better IMO to get the most emotion out of those scenes.
Also, won't Dany have dragonscale because she touched Jorah's hand when he had it? And does that in turn mean that Missandei now has dragonscale because they were holding hands in the arena? And does that in turn mean that Drogon has dragonscale because she touched the dragon after she touched Jorah when he had dragonscale? And does that in turn mean that Tyrion will take the Iron Throne once and for all--I think all signs point to "yes." On the dragonscale thing I don't think its as clear as "if someone has it at all they are contagious to everyone". Stannis' daughter had it all through the show but didnt infect anyone, they had stopped it from spreading but she still had it on her face. I assume it isn't contagious till the later stages or maybe just on the infected areas (but if it is touching from infected areas that doesn't explain Shireen cause people touched her face), Shireen is cured, that's just scarring on her face. I do wonder though if they cured her illness why is it still an issue. I mean yes he had to call in favors from all around the world but I mean once someone succeeded wouldnt any competent doctor (well maester) just apply that cure far and wide and make it known that this is how you cure greyscale
Well it was a lot of people working simultaneously mor or less, which means they might not know what exactly worked. Plus whatever they were using probably isn't particularly abundant or more people would of likely stumbled on the treatment also.
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On June 10 2015 11:47 Garuga wrote:
I wasn't really surprised that he decided to kill his daughter. Even though the show seemed like it was building a strong, familial relationship with Shareen and Stannis, we already know what kind of king Stannis is; he already used red magic to kill his brother Renly, seemingly without remorse, so it isn't that surprising that he chose his kingly ambitions over some daughter that he was only close with in the last few episodes.
I think the main issue is that Stannis generally doesn't have kingly ambitions. He doesn't do things because he wants to, he does it because it's the lawful thing to do. Basically Ned Stark without the empathy or idealism. And he's the rightful king, and he knows it, therefore he must be the one on the throne whether he wants it or not.
Of course, his grey area has always been anything to do with the Lord of Fire and Melisandre, and it gets worse as the series progresses, so sacrificing Shireen is very much in line with his character development.
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On June 10 2015 13:10 Adreme wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 12:17 Scarecrow wrote:On June 10 2015 11:59 Kickstart wrote:On June 10 2015 11:47 Garuga wrote:
I wasn't really surprised that he decided to kill his daughter. Even though the show seemed like it was building a strong, familial relationship with Shareen and Stannis, we already know what kind of king Stannis is; he already used red magic to kill his brother Renly, seemingly without remorse, so it isn't that surprising that he chose his kingly ambitions over some daughter that he was only close with in the last few episodes.
Did anyone notice the mixed messages of sexuality the show was portraying? The scene with Meryn Trant ("too old") was a good scene that showed the dislike of pedophilia, but the scene between Ellaria and Jamie kind of defeated the message. Ellaria was talking about incest not being something that would be frowned upon in Dorne, and basically portrayed the message that people "like what they like" and she wasn't going to judge anyone for it. I thought this defeated the emotion that the pedophilia scene tried to bring out because it makes the viewer wonder if Ellaria is right and start thinking whether Meryn Trant just likes what he likes and that might not be frowned upon elsewhere. Seems like the show could have pieced together the episode better IMO to get the most emotion out of those scenes.
Also, won't Dany have dragonscale because she touched Jorah's hand when he had it? And does that in turn mean that Missandei now has dragonscale because they were holding hands in the arena? And does that in turn mean that Drogon has dragonscale because she touched the dragon after she touched Jorah when he had dragonscale? And does that in turn mean that Tyrion will take the Iron Throne once and for all--I think all signs point to "yes." On the dragonscale thing I don't think its as clear as "if someone has it at all they are contagious to everyone". Stannis' daughter had it all through the show but didnt infect anyone, they had stopped it from spreading but she still had it on her face. I assume it isn't contagious till the later stages or maybe just on the infected areas (but if it is touching from infected areas that doesn't explain Shireen cause people touched her face), Shireen is cured, that's just scarring on her face. I do wonder though if they cured her illness why is it still an issue. I mean yes he had to call in favors from all around the world but I mean once someone succeeded wouldnt any competent doctor (well maester) just apply that cure far and wide and make it known that this is how you cure greyscale
On a practical level, communication and knowledge are limited. The Citadel (where Maesters learn) probably has a dozen 'cures' on record, each with dubious validity, making Shireen's 'cure' just one of many. Moreover, sometimes people just simply survive a disease so many of the 'cures' on record will be just be lucky coincidences.
Also, it's possible that she was cured by some sort of 'evil' magic / science (ex. Qyburn's apparent necromancy).
On a story telling level it's common for medieval / fantasy stories to feature lost knowledge and an outside threat from the East. In GoT the knowledge to make Valyrian steel is lost, though Tywin knew someone who could reforge with it. Likewise it's possible that a cure for greyscale is generally lost, though some may be able to half-ass it.
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On June 10 2015 14:29 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 13:10 Adreme wrote:On June 10 2015 12:17 Scarecrow wrote:On June 10 2015 11:59 Kickstart wrote:On June 10 2015 11:47 Garuga wrote:
I wasn't really surprised that he decided to kill his daughter. Even though the show seemed like it was building a strong, familial relationship with Shareen and Stannis, we already know what kind of king Stannis is; he already used red magic to kill his brother Renly, seemingly without remorse, so it isn't that surprising that he chose his kingly ambitions over some daughter that he was only close with in the last few episodes.
Did anyone notice the mixed messages of sexuality the show was portraying? The scene with Meryn Trant ("too old") was a good scene that showed the dislike of pedophilia, but the scene between Ellaria and Jamie kind of defeated the message. Ellaria was talking about incest not being something that would be frowned upon in Dorne, and basically portrayed the message that people "like what they like" and she wasn't going to judge anyone for it. I thought this defeated the emotion that the pedophilia scene tried to bring out because it makes the viewer wonder if Ellaria is right and start thinking whether Meryn Trant just likes what he likes and that might not be frowned upon elsewhere. Seems like the show could have pieced together the episode better IMO to get the most emotion out of those scenes.
Also, won't Dany have dragonscale because she touched Jorah's hand when he had it? And does that in turn mean that Missandei now has dragonscale because they were holding hands in the arena? And does that in turn mean that Drogon has dragonscale because she touched the dragon after she touched Jorah when he had dragonscale? And does that in turn mean that Tyrion will take the Iron Throne once and for all--I think all signs point to "yes." On the dragonscale thing I don't think its as clear as "if someone has it at all they are contagious to everyone". Stannis' daughter had it all through the show but didnt infect anyone, they had stopped it from spreading but she still had it on her face. I assume it isn't contagious till the later stages or maybe just on the infected areas (but if it is touching from infected areas that doesn't explain Shireen cause people touched her face), Shireen is cured, that's just scarring on her face. I do wonder though if they cured her illness why is it still an issue. I mean yes he had to call in favors from all around the world but I mean once someone succeeded wouldnt any competent doctor (well maester) just apply that cure far and wide and make it known that this is how you cure greyscale On a practical level, communication and knowledge are limited. The Citadel (where Maesters learn) probably has a dozen 'cures' on record, each with dubious validity, making Shireen's 'cure' just one of many. Moreover, sometimes people just simply survive a disease so many of the 'cures' on record will be just be lucky coincidences. Also, it's possible that she was cured by some sort of 'evil' magic / science (ex. Qyburn's apparent necromancy). On a story telling level it's common for medieval / fantasy stories to feature lost knowledge and an outside threat from the East. In GoT the knowledge to make Valyrian steel is lost, though Tywin knew someone who could reforge with it. Likewise it's possible that a cure for greyscale is generally lost, though some may be able to half-ass it.
Agreed, but reforging something is different from making it, Tywin even admitted it himself when giving Joffrey his sword. No one can make the steel and even with the best blacksmiths in the world at the moment, only a select few can even reforge it.
And as people said with Shireen being cured, they tried literally every "cure" in the book and probably a ton of other stuff that was just rumored or theoretical. And I doubt they waited the necessary time after trying 1 thing to see if it worked. Time wasn't on their side to see if the disease got to spread more. They most likely tried everything at once and then after the last thing was tried, waited and found out it stopped spreading. Then the doctors who tried basically got to claim his "treatment" worked, aka we get more "cures" to add to the book without knowing which one actually worked and more false information gets to spread.
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On June 10 2015 11:59 Kickstart wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 11:47 Garuga wrote:
I wasn't really surprised that he decided to kill his daughter. Even though the show seemed like it was building a strong, familial relationship with Shareen and Stannis, we already know what kind of king Stannis is; he already used red magic to kill his brother Renly, seemingly without remorse, so it isn't that surprising that he chose his kingly ambitions over some daughter that he was only close with in the last few episodes.
Did anyone notice the mixed messages of sexuality the show was portraying? The scene with Meryn Trant ("too old") was a good scene that showed the dislike of pedophilia, but the scene between Ellaria and Jamie kind of defeated the message. Ellaria was talking about incest not being something that would be frowned upon in Dorne, and basically portrayed the message that people "like what they like" and she wasn't going to judge anyone for it. I thought this defeated the emotion that the pedophilia scene tried to bring out because it makes the viewer wonder if Ellaria is right and start thinking whether Meryn Trant just likes what he likes and that might not be frowned upon elsewhere. Seems like the show could have pieced together the episode better IMO to get the most emotion out of those scenes.
Also, won't Dany have dragonscale because she touched Jorah's hand when he had it? And does that in turn mean that Missandei now has dragonscale because they were holding hands in the arena? And does that in turn mean that Drogon has dragonscale because she touched the dragon after she touched Jorah when he had dragonscale? And does that in turn mean that Tyrion will take the Iron Throne once and for all--I think all signs point to "yes." Well, trying to have a discussion on 'sexual morality' (whatever that means) is begging for trouble. But, I would say that you see both views even today to an extent. But even then there is a distinction between incest and pedophilia, the jamie incest situation is between two consenting adults (sure it started when they were younger but they are roughly same age so one, as far as we know, isnt taking advantage of the other, they both want to do it), pedophilia is different in that there is a question about whether or not a person so young knows what they are getting into and can even give informed consent. I tend to think people way overestimate the age at which people know what they are doing (as far as whether or not they want to follow through with sexual activities), but again this is opening a bag of worms. Just saying that Ellaria saying that Jamies situation isn't wrong doesn't imply she thinks pedophilia is ok, they are different. On the dragonscale thing I don't think its as clear as "if someone has it at all they are contagious to everyone". Stannis' daughter had it all through the show but didnt infect anyone, they had stopped it from spreading but she still had it on her face. I assume it isn't contagious till the later stages or maybe just on the infected areas (but if it is touching from infected areas that doesn't explain Shireen cause people touched her face),
They are twins
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On June 10 2015 15:49 Grovbolle wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 11:59 Kickstart wrote:On June 10 2015 11:47 Garuga wrote:
I wasn't really surprised that he decided to kill his daughter. Even though the show seemed like it was building a strong, familial relationship with Shareen and Stannis, we already know what kind of king Stannis is; he already used red magic to kill his brother Renly, seemingly without remorse, so it isn't that surprising that he chose his kingly ambitions over some daughter that he was only close with in the last few episodes.
Did anyone notice the mixed messages of sexuality the show was portraying? The scene with Meryn Trant ("too old") was a good scene that showed the dislike of pedophilia, but the scene between Ellaria and Jamie kind of defeated the message. Ellaria was talking about incest not being something that would be frowned upon in Dorne, and basically portrayed the message that people "like what they like" and she wasn't going to judge anyone for it. I thought this defeated the emotion that the pedophilia scene tried to bring out because it makes the viewer wonder if Ellaria is right and start thinking whether Meryn Trant just likes what he likes and that might not be frowned upon elsewhere. Seems like the show could have pieced together the episode better IMO to get the most emotion out of those scenes.
Also, won't Dany have dragonscale because she touched Jorah's hand when he had it? And does that in turn mean that Missandei now has dragonscale because they were holding hands in the arena? And does that in turn mean that Drogon has dragonscale because she touched the dragon after she touched Jorah when he had dragonscale? And does that in turn mean that Tyrion will take the Iron Throne once and for all--I think all signs point to "yes." Well, trying to have a discussion on 'sexual morality' (whatever that means) is begging for trouble. But, I would say that you see both views even today to an extent. But even then there is a distinction between incest and pedophilia, the jamie incest situation is between two consenting adults (sure it started when they were younger but they are roughly same age so one, as far as we know, isnt taking advantage of the other, they both want to do it), pedophilia is different in that there is a question about whether or not a person so young knows what they are getting into and can even give informed consent. I tend to think people way overestimate the age at which people know what they are doing (as far as whether or not they want to follow through with sexual activities), but again this is opening a bag of worms. Just saying that Ellaria saying that Jamies situation isn't wrong doesn't imply she thinks pedophilia is ok, they are different. On the dragonscale thing I don't think its as clear as "if someone has it at all they are contagious to everyone". Stannis' daughter had it all through the show but didnt infect anyone, they had stopped it from spreading but she still had it on her face. I assume it isn't contagious till the later stages or maybe just on the infected areas (but if it is touching from infected areas that doesn't explain Shireen cause people touched her face), They are twins
So it's actually like doing yourself right? <.<
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On June 10 2015 15:50 Zooper31 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 15:49 Grovbolle wrote:On June 10 2015 11:59 Kickstart wrote:On June 10 2015 11:47 Garuga wrote:
I wasn't really surprised that he decided to kill his daughter. Even though the show seemed like it was building a strong, familial relationship with Shareen and Stannis, we already know what kind of king Stannis is; he already used red magic to kill his brother Renly, seemingly without remorse, so it isn't that surprising that he chose his kingly ambitions over some daughter that he was only close with in the last few episodes.
Did anyone notice the mixed messages of sexuality the show was portraying? The scene with Meryn Trant ("too old") was a good scene that showed the dislike of pedophilia, but the scene between Ellaria and Jamie kind of defeated the message. Ellaria was talking about incest not being something that would be frowned upon in Dorne, and basically portrayed the message that people "like what they like" and she wasn't going to judge anyone for it. I thought this defeated the emotion that the pedophilia scene tried to bring out because it makes the viewer wonder if Ellaria is right and start thinking whether Meryn Trant just likes what he likes and that might not be frowned upon elsewhere. Seems like the show could have pieced together the episode better IMO to get the most emotion out of those scenes.
Also, won't Dany have dragonscale because she touched Jorah's hand when he had it? And does that in turn mean that Missandei now has dragonscale because they were holding hands in the arena? And does that in turn mean that Drogon has dragonscale because she touched the dragon after she touched Jorah when he had dragonscale? And does that in turn mean that Tyrion will take the Iron Throne once and for all--I think all signs point to "yes." Well, trying to have a discussion on 'sexual morality' (whatever that means) is begging for trouble. But, I would say that you see both views even today to an extent. But even then there is a distinction between incest and pedophilia, the jamie incest situation is between two consenting adults (sure it started when they were younger but they are roughly same age so one, as far as we know, isnt taking advantage of the other, they both want to do it), pedophilia is different in that there is a question about whether or not a person so young knows what they are getting into and can even give informed consent. I tend to think people way overestimate the age at which people know what they are doing (as far as whether or not they want to follow through with sexual activities), but again this is opening a bag of worms. Just saying that Ellaria saying that Jamies situation isn't wrong doesn't imply she thinks pedophilia is ok, they are different. On the dragonscale thing I don't think its as clear as "if someone has it at all they are contagious to everyone". Stannis' daughter had it all through the show but didnt infect anyone, they had stopped it from spreading but she still had it on her face. I assume it isn't contagious till the later stages or maybe just on the infected areas (but if it is touching from infected areas that doesn't explain Shireen cause people touched her face), They are twins So it's actually like doing yourself right? <.<
That's pretty much the reason Cersei is into it...extreme narcissism. Plus she wishes she was Jaime instead of herself.
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yeh see. fucking yourself is totally normal, thats why dorne has no problem with it~
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On June 10 2015 13:10 Adreme wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 12:17 Scarecrow wrote:On June 10 2015 11:59 Kickstart wrote:On June 10 2015 11:47 Garuga wrote:
I wasn't really surprised that he decided to kill his daughter. Even though the show seemed like it was building a strong, familial relationship with Shareen and Stannis, we already know what kind of king Stannis is; he already used red magic to kill his brother Renly, seemingly without remorse, so it isn't that surprising that he chose his kingly ambitions over some daughter that he was only close with in the last few episodes.
Did anyone notice the mixed messages of sexuality the show was portraying? The scene with Meryn Trant ("too old") was a good scene that showed the dislike of pedophilia, but the scene between Ellaria and Jamie kind of defeated the message. Ellaria was talking about incest not being something that would be frowned upon in Dorne, and basically portrayed the message that people "like what they like" and she wasn't going to judge anyone for it. I thought this defeated the emotion that the pedophilia scene tried to bring out because it makes the viewer wonder if Ellaria is right and start thinking whether Meryn Trant just likes what he likes and that might not be frowned upon elsewhere. Seems like the show could have pieced together the episode better IMO to get the most emotion out of those scenes.
Also, won't Dany have dragonscale because she touched Jorah's hand when he had it? And does that in turn mean that Missandei now has dragonscale because they were holding hands in the arena? And does that in turn mean that Drogon has dragonscale because she touched the dragon after she touched Jorah when he had dragonscale? And does that in turn mean that Tyrion will take the Iron Throne once and for all--I think all signs point to "yes." On the dragonscale thing I don't think its as clear as "if someone has it at all they are contagious to everyone". Stannis' daughter had it all through the show but didnt infect anyone, they had stopped it from spreading but she still had it on her face. I assume it isn't contagious till the later stages or maybe just on the infected areas (but if it is touching from infected areas that doesn't explain Shireen cause people touched her face), Shireen is cured, that's just scarring on her face. I do wonder though if they cured her illness why is it still an issue. I mean yes he had to call in favors from all around the world but I mean once someone succeeded wouldnt any competent doctor (well maester) just apply that cure far and wide and make it known that this is how you cure greyscale
Take a look at diseases we have cured today and how many people still die from them, especially in less civilized parts of the world.
Just because a cure might exist doesn't mean it is accessible. Especially since Maesters are not seen to do much for the common people. Stannis could afford a bunch of them, anyone under a Lord probably cant afford it.
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On June 10 2015 05:43 Cloud9157 wrote:Stannis made it extremely difficult, but I still support him... Barely. If nothing else, it was survival. No one was going to escape that situation with their life. Still doesn't make it easy to accept that he burned the daughter that he had a heart to heart with earlier in the season. Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 03:42 B.I.G. wrote:
Oh Stannis... If I were him I would've burned that crazy ass wife first just to see if that would work. Need blood of the king in order for stuff to happen. His wife doesn't have his blood in her, but his daughter did.
Dont know how you can still defend stannis. This was not about survival, he can always go back to castle black,
let go of the iron throne, but he chose to burn his daughter instead, all for a little bit of hope.
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On June 10 2015 20:50 TerransHill wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 05:43 Cloud9157 wrote:Stannis made it extremely difficult, but I still support him... Barely. If nothing else, it was survival. No one was going to escape that situation with their life. Still doesn't make it easy to accept that he burned the daughter that he had a heart to heart with earlier in the season. On June 10 2015 03:42 B.I.G. wrote:
Oh Stannis... If I were him I would've burned that crazy ass wife first just to see if that would work. Need blood of the king in order for stuff to happen. His wife doesn't have his blood in her, but his daughter did. Dont know how you can still defend stannis. This was not about survival, he can always go back to castle black, let go of the iron throne, but he chose to burn his daughter instead, all for a little bit of hope.
Well, there's the problem that Castle Black can't support that many men, as was made clear earlier in the season. Also, I don't think they even have the option of marching back, unless I'm remembering Davos' and Stannis' conversation after the raid wrong. Mel's magic, which has been proven quite conclusively to work, as far as Stannis is concerned, is maybe a "little" hope, but it's the only hope they have to survive.
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On June 10 2015 20:50 TerransHill wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 05:43 Cloud9157 wrote:Stannis made it extremely difficult, but I still support him... Barely. If nothing else, it was survival. No one was going to escape that situation with their life. Still doesn't make it easy to accept that he burned the daughter that he had a heart to heart with earlier in the season. On June 10 2015 03:42 B.I.G. wrote:
Oh Stannis... If I were him I would've burned that crazy ass wife first just to see if that would work. Need blood of the king in order for stuff to happen. His wife doesn't have his blood in her, but his daughter did. Dont know how you can still defend stannis. This was not about survival, he can always go back to castle black, let go of the iron throne, but he chose to burn his daughter instead, all for a little bit of hope.
Stannis doesn't have enough supplies to make it back to Castle Black after the raid as said in his conversation with Davos.
His men die from starvation or he sacrifices his daughter.
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On June 10 2015 21:03 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 20:50 TerransHill wrote:On June 10 2015 05:43 Cloud9157 wrote:Stannis made it extremely difficult, but I still support him... Barely. If nothing else, it was survival. No one was going to escape that situation with their life. Still doesn't make it easy to accept that he burned the daughter that he had a heart to heart with earlier in the season. On June 10 2015 03:42 B.I.G. wrote:
Oh Stannis... If I were him I would've burned that crazy ass wife first just to see if that would work. Need blood of the king in order for stuff to happen. His wife doesn't have his blood in her, but his daughter did. Dont know how you can still defend stannis. This was not about survival, he can always go back to castle black, let go of the iron throne, but he chose to burn his daughter instead, all for a little bit of hope. Stannis doesn't have enough supplies to make it back to Castle Black after the raid as said in his conversation with Davos. His men die from starvation or he sacrifices his daughter.
Thats BS he could atleast try, maybe some men will die, some will definitly make it. (is sacrificing his daughter supposed to be a better shot ? Lol? When its not even clear whats going to happen?). And halfway ser davos meets them with fresh supplies.
Also what are the wildlings going to behind the wall? If stannis army is doomed and cant be fed by the nights watch, what are they going to do?
They were told that there is good land to farm. I dont know much about farming but good luck with that during the Winter. Probably going to raid, something which stannis could do aswell.
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On June 10 2015 22:43 TerransHill wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 21:03 Gorsameth wrote:On June 10 2015 20:50 TerransHill wrote:On June 10 2015 05:43 Cloud9157 wrote:Stannis made it extremely difficult, but I still support him... Barely. If nothing else, it was survival. No one was going to escape that situation with their life. Still doesn't make it easy to accept that he burned the daughter that he had a heart to heart with earlier in the season. On June 10 2015 03:42 B.I.G. wrote:
Oh Stannis... If I were him I would've burned that crazy ass wife first just to see if that would work. Need blood of the king in order for stuff to happen. His wife doesn't have his blood in her, but his daughter did. Dont know how you can still defend stannis. This was not about survival, he can always go back to castle black, let go of the iron throne, but he chose to burn his daughter instead, all for a little bit of hope. Stannis doesn't have enough supplies to make it back to Castle Black after the raid as said in his conversation with Davos. His men die from starvation or he sacrifices his daughter. Thats BS he could atleast try, maybe some men will die, some will definitly make it. (is sacrificing his daughter supposed to be a better shot ? Lol? When its not even clear whats going to happen?). And halfway ser davos meets them with fresh supplies. Also what are the wildlings going to behind the wall? If stannis army is doomed and cant be fed by the nights watch, what are they going to do? They were told that there is good land to farm. I dont know much about farming but good luck with that during the Winter. Probably going to raid, something which stannis could do aswell.
Well he trusts Melissandre that something will happen after she produced the shadow that killed his brother and after she used Gendry's blood to "kill" Joffrey and Robb.
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On June 10 2015 22:43 TerransHill wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 21:03 Gorsameth wrote:On June 10 2015 20:50 TerransHill wrote:On June 10 2015 05:43 Cloud9157 wrote:Stannis made it extremely difficult, but I still support him... Barely. If nothing else, it was survival. No one was going to escape that situation with their life. Still doesn't make it easy to accept that he burned the daughter that he had a heart to heart with earlier in the season. On June 10 2015 03:42 B.I.G. wrote:
Oh Stannis... If I were him I would've burned that crazy ass wife first just to see if that would work. Need blood of the king in order for stuff to happen. His wife doesn't have his blood in her, but his daughter did. Dont know how you can still defend stannis. This was not about survival, he can always go back to castle black, let go of the iron throne, but he chose to burn his daughter instead, all for a little bit of hope. Stannis doesn't have enough supplies to make it back to Castle Black after the raid as said in his conversation with Davos. His men die from starvation or he sacrifices his daughter. Thats BS he could atleast try, maybe some men will die, some will definitly make it. (is sacrificing his daughter supposed to be a better shot ? Lol? When its not even clear whats going to happen?). And halfway ser davos meets them with fresh supplies. Also what are the wildlings going to behind the wall? If stannis army is doomed and cant be fed by the nights watch, what are they going to do? They were told that there is good land to farm. I dont know much about farming but good luck with that during the Winter. Probably going to raid, something which stannis could do aswell.
He's a religious fanatic, those are not the most rationnal thinker =) Also I doubt jon would have given davos food and men, night watch doesnt interfere with politics in the seven kingdom
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I understand that he is a religious fanatic, not a rational thinker and trusts in a woman that is obviously evil. But how does that make people root for him?
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On June 10 2015 23:09 TerransHill wrote:
I understand that he is a religious fanatic, not a rational thinker and trusts in a woman that is obviously evil. But how does that make people root for him?
Because until now he didn't do anything really evil in viewer eyes. His younger brother was "unlawfully" taking his throne and so were Joffrey and Robb. And the people prefered him to Lannisters.
Or maybe because he was charging the walls of King's Landing side by side with his men and was only one to come to the aid of the Night's Watch.
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