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This season had weak points, but I think that's true of all seasons so far. The supposed increase in random events that decide the fate of characters, is largely imagined, as plexa fruitlessly tried to point out. It was lucky that Summer was there to save Bran, it was lucky that Drogon was there to save Dany (I agree that the latter was poorly executed, actually. I don't have too much to say in favor of the pit scene and how it was done in the show),
It was lucky that Stannis didn't die at the Blackwater, despite being the first up the ladder; that the Kingsguard who attacked Tyrion only made a large cut across his face and didn't instantly murder him; that Podrick was there just in time; that Davos didn't die in the wildfire explosion; that Tywin arrived before Cersei poisoned Tommen; that Tywin arrived at all before Stannis took over King's Landing; that the Hound didn't die as a result of his emotional breakdown.
That's all from one episode, and it's my favorite of the whole show. As the show gets further away from the books and into uncharted territory, there's a chance of a real drop in quality or increase in elements which I don't like, but in my opinion this has yet to happen in a major way. The Dorne storyline is an early symptom, hopefully not to spread.
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I am so curious about what happen to Sansa in next episode.
"I am going to die. Let it happens while there is some of me left ..."
Guess it's not Ramsay who she speak with. Should be Theon I think.
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Where dat snitch at?37117 Posts
Why do people call D.B. Weiss D&D?
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On June 09 2015 22:57 c0ldfusion wrote:
Damn if guys are just going to come out and bitch after every episode just stop watching the show. Seriously, if it's causing you that much stress it's not worth it. Quit while you're ahead.
You should see the walking dead thread. People are so stressed in this one I fear some of them died of heart attacks mid-episode
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I feel so bad for Team Stannis, poor guys xD
Thankfully Team Davos is pure
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On June 10 2015 01:22 SmoKim wrote:
Thankfully Team Davos is pure
He was a pirate wasn't he? He surely pillaged and raped, no?
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On June 10 2015 01:45 lord_nibbler wrote:He was a pirate wasn't he? He surely pillaged and raped, no?
I think he was a smuggler by trade. I'm sure being in that line of business with pirates/scoundrels and the likes lead to some sticky situations but I believe smuggling was his gift.
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On June 10 2015 01:45 lord_nibbler wrote:He was a pirate wasn't he? He surely pillaged and raped, no?
He never engaged in any pirating, though he was business-partners and friends with pirates. Even so, his whole character is based on repenting his crimes and having paid for them, something that everyone can relate to and like. Davos and Hodor are the only nice people left in the show
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Oh Stannis... If I were him I would've burned that crazy ass wife first just to see if that would work. I feel like a horrible person but burning the kid thing was so horrible I just couldn't stop laughing, ever so slightly over the top.. I had expected him to stab her in the back when he hugged her and said I'm so sorry.
Anyway to me this scene with Stannis kind of signified that he made his decision. To hell with honor and glory I want that goddamn throne. You could actually see him turn madder and madder during this episode. He looked like outright lunatic in the end. I wouldn't be surprised if he loses Davos over this and just loots, murders, and tortures his way to the capital until Jon Snow catches up with him and decapitates him in the way only a Stark can.
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On June 10 2015 03:42 B.I.G. wrote:
Oh Stannis... If I were him I would've burned that crazy ass wife first just to see if that would work. I feel like a horrible person but burning the kid thing was so horrible I just couldn't stop laughing, ever so slightly over the top.. I had expected him to stab her in the back when he hugged her and said I'm so sorry.
Anyway to me this scene with Stannis kind of signified that he made his decision. To hell with honor and glory I want that goddamn throne. You could actually see him turn madder and madder during this episode. He looked like outright lunatic in the end. I wouldn't be surprised if he loses Davos over this and just loots, murders, and tortures his way to the capital until Jon Snow catches up with him and decapitates him in the way only a Stark can.
What I got out of it was that he made the only choice he could to not only save everyone in the present "we cant go forward and we cant go back" was already established earlier in the episode so if he does not do exactly that then everyone will die anyway but also as far as he knows save the world.
Remember he has been told by Melisandre that he HAS to be on the Iron Throne before winter arrives or the entire world is doomed . Its not about what he wants, its not about doing whats honorable its about "becoming the man you were meant to be" and sometimes that involves difficult choices. I am not sure if he made the right choice but I think he made the only choices that were available to him beyond slowly wait for death.
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On June 10 2015 04:13 Adreme wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 03:42 B.I.G. wrote:
Oh Stannis... If I were him I would've burned that crazy ass wife first just to see if that would work. I feel like a horrible person but burning the kid thing was so horrible I just couldn't stop laughing, ever so slightly over the top.. I had expected him to stab her in the back when he hugged her and said I'm so sorry.
Anyway to me this scene with Stannis kind of signified that he made his decision. To hell with honor and glory I want that goddamn throne. You could actually see him turn madder and madder during this episode. He looked like outright lunatic in the end. I wouldn't be surprised if he loses Davos over this and just loots, murders, and tortures his way to the capital until Jon Snow catches up with him and decapitates him in the way only a Stark can. What I got out of it was that he made the only choice he could to not only save everyone in the present "we cant go forward and we cant go back" was already established earlier in the episode so if he does not do exactly that then everyone will die anyway but also as far as he knows save the world. Remember he has been told by Melisandre that he HAS to be on the Iron Throne before winter arrives or the entire world is doomed . Its not about what he wants, its not about doing whats honorable its about "becoming the man you were meant to be" and sometimes that involves difficult choices. I am not sure if he made the right choice but I think he made the only choices that were available to him beyond slowly wait for death.
this is how i took the scene as well. he isn't doing this for personal glory, but for justice, order and because of his full faith in the lord of light. Originally he went for the throne due to Robert's passing and being the 'rightful heir' now I feel it's mixed with his faith. However, if the lord of light is bogus or evil and wicked, well I guess he's screwed. We obviously know Melisandre has some powers as we've seen them first hand, I'm still not convinced her powers and her lord are out to 'save the world' though.
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On June 09 2015 17:57 SoSexy wrote:
Once upon a time I used to come to this thread to have nice discussions.
Nowadays 80% of the posts are people complaining hard about everything. You look like grannies
This is why we can't have nice things. The rats always come out to devour it 
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On June 10 2015 04:13 Adreme wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 03:42 B.I.G. wrote:
Oh Stannis... If I were him I would've burned that crazy ass wife first just to see if that would work. I feel like a horrible person but burning the kid thing was so horrible I just couldn't stop laughing, ever so slightly over the top.. I had expected him to stab her in the back when he hugged her and said I'm so sorry.
Anyway to me this scene with Stannis kind of signified that he made his decision. To hell with honor and glory I want that goddamn throne. You could actually see him turn madder and madder during this episode. He looked like outright lunatic in the end. I wouldn't be surprised if he loses Davos over this and just loots, murders, and tortures his way to the capital until Jon Snow catches up with him and decapitates him in the way only a Stark can. What I got out of it was that he made the only choice he could to not only save everyone in the present "we cant go forward and we cant go back" was already established earlier in the episode so if he does not do exactly that then everyone will die anyway but also as far as he knows save the world. Remember he has been told by Melisandre that he HAS to be on the Iron Throne before winter arrives or the entire world is doomed . Its not about what he wants, its not about doing whats honorable its about "becoming the man you were meant to be" and sometimes that involves difficult choices. I am not sure if he made the right choice but I think he made the only choices that were available to him beyond slowly wait for death.
Exactly this.
Call me evil but I'm still on team Stannis !
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On June 10 2015 05:14 Geiko wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 04:13 Adreme wrote:On June 10 2015 03:42 B.I.G. wrote:
Oh Stannis... If I were him I would've burned that crazy ass wife first just to see if that would work. I feel like a horrible person but burning the kid thing was so horrible I just couldn't stop laughing, ever so slightly over the top.. I had expected him to stab her in the back when he hugged her and said I'm so sorry.
Anyway to me this scene with Stannis kind of signified that he made his decision. To hell with honor and glory I want that goddamn throne. You could actually see him turn madder and madder during this episode. He looked like outright lunatic in the end. I wouldn't be surprised if he loses Davos over this and just loots, murders, and tortures his way to the capital until Jon Snow catches up with him and decapitates him in the way only a Stark can. What I got out of it was that he made the only choice he could to not only save everyone in the present "we cant go forward and we cant go back" was already established earlier in the episode so if he does not do exactly that then everyone will die anyway but also as far as he knows save the world. Remember he has been told by Melisandre that he HAS to be on the Iron Throne before winter arrives or the entire world is doomed . Its not about what he wants, its not about doing whats honorable its about "becoming the man you were meant to be" and sometimes that involves difficult choices. I am not sure if he made the right choice but I think he made the only choices that were available to him beyond slowly wait for death. Exactly this. Call me evil but I'm still on team Stannis !
I feel like I'm the only person who didn't like Stannis from the jump. The prick locked his daughter in a tower like Rapunzel for her childhood (after her stoneskin situation was under control).
When he was talking to his daughter it reminded me about a lesson I learned in 6th grade from my teacher named Mrs. Anderson. "Never volunteer for anything until you know what you are volunteering for." Might of been a little tougher if she didn't push wanting to help so bad.
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Stannis made it extremely difficult, but I still support him... Barely.
If nothing else, it was survival. No one was going to escape that situation with their life. Still doesn't make it easy to accept that he burned the daughter that he had a heart to heart with earlier in the season.
On June 10 2015 03:42 B.I.G. wrote:
Oh Stannis... If I were him I would've burned that crazy ass wife first just to see if that would work.
Need blood of the king in order for stuff to happen. His wife doesn't have his blood in her, but his daughter did.
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On June 10 2015 04:24 crms wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 04:13 Adreme wrote:On June 10 2015 03:42 B.I.G. wrote:
Oh Stannis... If I were him I would've burned that crazy ass wife first just to see if that would work. I feel like a horrible person but burning the kid thing was so horrible I just couldn't stop laughing, ever so slightly over the top.. I had expected him to stab her in the back when he hugged her and said I'm so sorry.
Anyway to me this scene with Stannis kind of signified that he made his decision. To hell with honor and glory I want that goddamn throne. You could actually see him turn madder and madder during this episode. He looked like outright lunatic in the end. I wouldn't be surprised if he loses Davos over this and just loots, murders, and tortures his way to the capital until Jon Snow catches up with him and decapitates him in the way only a Stark can. What I got out of it was that he made the only choice he could to not only save everyone in the present "we cant go forward and we cant go back" was already established earlier in the episode so if he does not do exactly that then everyone will die anyway but also as far as he knows save the world. Remember he has been told by Melisandre that he HAS to be on the Iron Throne before winter arrives or the entire world is doomed . Its not about what he wants, its not about doing whats honorable its about "becoming the man you were meant to be" and sometimes that involves difficult choices. I am not sure if he made the right choice but I think he made the only choices that were available to him beyond slowly wait for death. this is how i took the scene as well. he isn't doing this for personal glory, but for justice, order and because of his full faith in the lord of light. Originally he went for the throne due to Robert's passing and being the 'rightful heir' now I feel it's mixed with his faith. However, if the lord of light is bogus or evil and wicked, well I guess he's screwed. We obviously know Melisandre has some powers as we've seen them first hand, I'm still not convinced her powers and her lord are out to 'save the world' though.
Melisandra's main concern seems to be to fight the White Walkers. According to her visions Stannis is the man who unites the 7 kingdoms against the threat of Winter. While her actions are extreme I believe she is firmly on the side of good. Just with a dash of "End justifies the means".
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On June 10 2015 06:23 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 04:24 crms wrote:On June 10 2015 04:13 Adreme wrote:On June 10 2015 03:42 B.I.G. wrote:
Oh Stannis... If I were him I would've burned that crazy ass wife first just to see if that would work. I feel like a horrible person but burning the kid thing was so horrible I just couldn't stop laughing, ever so slightly over the top.. I had expected him to stab her in the back when he hugged her and said I'm so sorry.
Anyway to me this scene with Stannis kind of signified that he made his decision. To hell with honor and glory I want that goddamn throne. You could actually see him turn madder and madder during this episode. He looked like outright lunatic in the end. I wouldn't be surprised if he loses Davos over this and just loots, murders, and tortures his way to the capital until Jon Snow catches up with him and decapitates him in the way only a Stark can. What I got out of it was that he made the only choice he could to not only save everyone in the present "we cant go forward and we cant go back" was already established earlier in the episode so if he does not do exactly that then everyone will die anyway but also as far as he knows save the world. Remember he has been told by Melisandre that he HAS to be on the Iron Throne before winter arrives or the entire world is doomed . Its not about what he wants, its not about doing whats honorable its about "becoming the man you were meant to be" and sometimes that involves difficult choices. I am not sure if he made the right choice but I think he made the only choices that were available to him beyond slowly wait for death. this is how i took the scene as well. he isn't doing this for personal glory, but for justice, order and because of his full faith in the lord of light. Originally he went for the throne due to Robert's passing and being the 'rightful heir' now I feel it's mixed with his faith. However, if the lord of light is bogus or evil and wicked, well I guess he's screwed. We obviously know Melisandre has some powers as we've seen them first hand, I'm still not convinced her powers and her lord are out to 'save the world' though. Melisandra's main concern seems to be to fight the White Walkers. According to her visions Stannis is the man who unites the 7 kingdoms against the threat of Winter. While her actions are extreme I believe she is firmly on the side of good. Just with a dash of "End justifies the means".
I don't even think she means that Stannis is the guy to rule just that he has a role to fill to bring about the eventual ruler. I think this is also lost on Stannis.
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On June 08 2015 15:43 Nesserev wrote:
I don't understand why so many people think that Stannis ever stood for 'honour and integrity', lol. He has shown many times in the past that he does whatever he wants, to get what he wants. He just ties a ribbon of 'justification' around it..
Because books.
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