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Gorsameth
Netherlands22095 Posts
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9770 Posts
On June 09 2015 20:39 Plexa wrote: Worse than random dagger attack on near-dead boy and wolf magically shows up and kills the assassin!? Jaime and Ned meet on the street and random brawl occurs! Random zombie attack in the nights watch into Joer getting attacked.. somehow? Tyrion and Cat en route to the vale... OH NO MOUNTAIN MEN SHOW UP AND ATTACK. I mean shit guys, the show's quality hasn't changed as dramatically as you're making out. (One thing has changed between then and now... but alas, this is the non-book thread) The show has changed hugely, but i think its because its focussing on different qualities now. Like I said before, the story had to go somewhere, and with the dragons and the white walkers already introduced at the beginning, this was the inevitable change it had to make. It doesn't make it an less frustrating that the focus on cleverness and intrigue is now gone though. For alot of us, that was the highlight of the first few series - where if you make a bad mistake or don't think things through when the stakes are high, things go so badly wrong that you'll never find a way back. That gave Westeros a very unique kind of intimidating, oppressive atmosphere. Unfortunately, because of the obvious dragons and zombies, there is no choice but to 'fall back' to some more standard action-fantasy style writing as we get closer to the conclusion. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22095 Posts
On June 09 2015 21:09 Scarecrow wrote: For a strategy game forum how do you guys not get the logic of the white walkers NOT ATTACKING and starving the wildlings out? They have immortal levels of patience and need as many bodies as they can get in case the south unites. They don't really have a reason to starve them out. Skeletons rise again when killed so aside from getting torn apart by a giant they seem pretty safe from permanent casualties. (and even that might not be a permanent death for all we know) Since Jon mentioned to the big red guy that they have to hurry because the Walkers are coming and there is not a lot of time it seems to me that the 2 camps simply arrived at roughly the same time. Walkers advancing on them/the wall and Jon racing to get there first. As for the subtleties. A big reason for that is that after the lines being drawn in the sand (North vs Lannister vs Stannis) the main political play was between Lannister and Tyrell. That has completely ground to a hold with first the Sparrows and later the capture of everyone relevant. One could argue that removing this duel of wits has robbed the show of its subtler undertone and might be a failure in the storytelling. | ||
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Shock710
Australia6097 Posts
They either whitewalkers can get lost in the snow or they would expect something killed bob or trapped bob (unlikely seeing as how he can just break steel with a touch and is super strong) but the reaction of the other whitewalker that jon killed says otherwise or maybe he was like oh fuck its sword that can kill us, and then with the high darth maul whitewalker looking on, he might think found the asshole who killed bob! But im also wondering the back story so the watchers beat the whitewalkers ages ago im not sure if they just killed all the zombies/whitewalkers that tried to across the wall or if they retreated because if they retreated shouldnt some if not all the intelligent ones remember that humans can kill them. Anyway im really looking forward to the whitewalker story line i think the whole background of it is going to be the most interesting | ||
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BluzMan
Russian Federation4235 Posts
On June 09 2015 20:39 Plexa wrote: Worse than random dagger attack on near-dead boy and wolf magically shows up and kills the assassin!? Jaime and Ned meet on the street and random brawl occurs! Random zombie attack in the nights watch into Joer getting attacked.. somehow? Tyrion and Cat en route to the vale... OH NO MOUNTAIN MEN SHOW UP AND ATTACK. I mean shit guys, the show's quality hasn't changed as dramatically as you're making out. (One thing has changed between then and now... but alas, this is the non-book thread) I'm 100% positive that Ned meeting Jaime while visiting Littlefinger's brothel right after telling Littlefinger he's about to leave town is far from a random brawl. Zombie attack in castle Black was far from random either, there were some events that led to it and even Sam pointing out the unusual lack of decay. Wolves kinda yeah, but generally in GoT deus ex machina appearances don't "save the day". Mountain men ultimately only served to get Bronn and Tyrion acquainted and nothing else. Catelyn randomly meeting Tyrion opened a whole new plotline, but there was no "hanging in the balance" moment that it magically resolved. Random unexpected events are fine, they are driving the show (it wouldn't be fun if everyone's plans worked all the time, huh?). Random unexpected events that resolve difficult situations are not quite fine, they just make people get away with being stupid and that's not something I like to watch. Earlier seasons had the added bonus of good people you sympathize with doing stupid things and getting killed for it (thus provoking the conflict between heart and mind in the viewer himself, which made the show popular in the first place), but I guess since we ran out of good people it's not coming back. Btw, are we really arguing that the quality of script is on par with the first seasons? Are there really people who believe it? On June 09 2015 20:23 Gorsameth wrote: + Show Spoiler + Bluzman, I suggest taking a chill pill and paying attention to what your watching next time rather then getting pointless worked up. There are plenty of things you can question but your points are almost entirely dismissed based on just watching the show. If you dont know why Stannis burned his daugher you have not been watching If you dont see why Bronn gets hit face punched in you have not been watching If you dont pick up on the Bolton's having the advantage during the snow you have not been watching Tristane isnt made hand, you have not been watching. The Dornish king made it very clear why he is being friendly, you have not been watching. I dunno what kind of a reply you are expecting, but I guess you can figure for yourself where I suggest you put your suggestions. | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On June 09 2015 21:23 BluzMan wrote: Earlier seasons had the added bonus of good people you sympathize with doing stupid things and getting killed for it (thus provoking the conflict between heart and mind in the viewer himself, which made the show popular in the first place), but I guess since we ran out of good people it's not coming back. Maybe they just ran out of good people to kill for their mistakes. If they kill anymore, there will be no more main characters to follow  | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On June 09 2015 21:08 Gorsameth wrote: I think a few people missed out the sarcasm in Plexa's post. Anything looks stupid if you want to make it look stupid. I forgot this was the internet for a moment. | ||
Epoxide
Magic Woods9326 Posts
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Velr
Switzerland10849 Posts
Its eihter trollbait or the writer was just that uninformed. It has nothing to do with sarcasm. | ||
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Scorch
Austria3371 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22095 Posts
On June 09 2015 22:15 Velr wrote: In what world is telling stuff plain wrong, but in a way that could seem true to someone that didn't pay attention is not sarcasm. Its eihter trollbait or the writer was just that uninformed. It has nothing to do with sarcasm. Because most of your points only looks dumb because your ommitting so much that they always look dumb. John goes to the Wildlings... Suddenly ZOMBIEATTACK. Ignoring the talk from John to the Wildling that they need to save his people before the Walkers get to them Jorah fights in the Arena... Suddenly half the Arena is filled with bad guys whiteout anyone noticing before and DRAGONACTION. Harpies have been hidding among the people since they were first shown, they are not suddenly hiding. Dragon can be questioned but can also be explained by their connection to Dany, Heck last time she was unsure of herself Drogo appeared from months long absence atop her pyramid Palace Jayme and Bron go on a buddytrip, lets have them fight random dudes and arrive just the same time as the sandsnakes for more pointless fighting, lets also poison Bron to later show off BEEEWBS and hey lets heal him just because we have now seen BEEEWBS. I got nothing here, I agree the buddytrip was done badly Arya can walk into a Brothel and despite being sent out by everyone that has any say there, can stay because 1 hooker wanted some oysters, why? To Show us that the bad guy is not just a bad guy, he is even a pedophile. Probably setting up a window that Arya can use to get close enough to kill him. He is still a Kingsguard, Arya has no shot in a head on fight Stannis burns his daughter because, well... Its cold, in the North where it is supposed to be cold? I would imagine they would be prepared for really harsh weather, they went north of the wall to fight Wildlings ffs. I mentioned this a dozen times already | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
On June 09 2015 21:14 Gorsameth wrote: They don't really have a reason to starve them out. Skeletons rise again when killed so aside from getting torn apart by a giant they seem pretty safe from permanent casualties. (and even that might not be a permanent death for all we know Getting beheaded/chopped into bits is pretty permanent and they lost a fair few bodies getting past the wall. I doubt they have a medical corp. I also agree it's not that big of a coincidence, even if the walkers just happened to arrive, seeing as Jon was racing to get there ahead of the walkers anyway. | ||
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22095 Posts
On June 09 2015 22:34 Zdrastochye wrote: That wight army was massive though, like they probably wouldn't win versus conjoined armies of Westeros, but their numbers are fairly significant and obviously with the civil warring going on in Westeros the number of able bodied men to fight the Whitewalkers and their army are obviously decreasing at a rapid rate. I think it will be neat to see the Walkers turning all the land into a snowy winter wonderland as they will inevitably make it past the Wall in my estimation. I'm guessing a Walker is stronger than a rampaging giant but perhaps that's a wrong assumption. I think the walkers rely a lot on their magic/magic like abilities. The Walker in Hardholm won against the wildling because his sword shattered on Impact. John's Valarian steel didn't and (tho John is shown to be a gifted swordsman) the Walker died pretty easily afterward (assuming he is actually dead dead) | ||
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c0ldfusion
United States8293 Posts
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
On June 09 2015 22:44 Gorsameth wrote: I think the walkers rely a lot on their magic/magic like abilities. The Walker in Hardholm won against the wildling because his sword shattered on Impact. John's Valarian steel didn't and (tho John is shown to be a gifted swordsman) the Walker died pretty easily afterward (assuming he is actually dead dead) Maybe I'm reading into it too much but one blow from the Walker that Jon fought made him double over and never catch his breath, despite Jon being a battle hardened fighter. I read into that too much to mean that they have superhuman strength, or can summon that kind of strength through their magic. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22095 Posts
On June 09 2015 23:03 Zdrastochye wrote: Maybe I'm reading into it too much but one blow from the Walker that Jon fought made him double over and never catch his breath, despite Jon being a battle hardened fighter. I read into that too much to mean that they have superhuman strength, or can summon that kind of strength through their magic. Id say they are stronger then a normal human yeah. | ||
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lord_nibbler
Germany591 Posts
Both were children of powerful men, they were both highly intelligent and both had a serious handicap that would forever prevent them from claiming their 'rightful position'. Stannis and Tywin acted in fact very similar, they (somewhat) acknowledged their children but when push came to shove they sacrificed them for their own gains... | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22095 Posts
On June 09 2015 23:07 lord_nibbler wrote: I think Shareen was made to show the randomness of fate in direct comparison to Tyrion. Both were children of powerful men, they were both highly intelligent and both had a serious handicap that would forever prevent them from claiming their 'rightful position'. Stannis and Tywin acted in fact very similar, they (somewhat) acknowledged their children but when push came to shove they sacrificed them for their own gains... A nice connection yes. If given the chance Shareen may well have grown into a Tyion 2.0 | ||
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