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SoSexy
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Italy3725 Posts
June 09 2015 08:57 GMT
#27961
Once upon a time I used to come to this thread to have nice discussions.

Nowadays 80% of the posts are people complaining hard about everything. You look like grannies
Dating thread on TL LUL
Khenra
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Netherlands885 Posts
June 09 2015 09:00 GMT
#27962
I don't know why I still read this thread. It's just haters hating, mostly anyway. I still enjoy the show immensely.
This signature is ruining eSports.
Scorch
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Austria3371 Posts
June 09 2015 09:08 GMT
#27963
I enjoy it too, but now there are things to complain about when there used to be none.
Nesserev
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium2760 Posts
June 09 2015 09:20 GMT
#27964
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iClipse
Profile Joined May 2015
8 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-09 09:50:38
June 09 2015 09:50 GMT
#27965
Yeah, I see a lot of people complaining, but I liked the last episode a lot. It had me at the edge of my seat for the whole Arena scene.

The only thing that maybe was a little bit bad was Daenarys riding her dragon, but indeed it lasted so short. I mean, we even had the same kind of CGI in Lord of the Rings (Merrin and Peppin riding Treebeard), yet it's still jubbeled as one of the best movie ever made. You could argue that LotR is way older though.

Still, I liked this season a lot.

Edit: I mean, is there any other show that (even if it dropped a little bit in quality) can provide this kind of quality. I'd argue no.
helpman176
Profile Blog Joined May 2015
128 Posts
June 09 2015 10:25 GMT
#27966
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Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9915 Posts
June 09 2015 10:27 GMT
#27967
On June 09 2015 18:50 iClipse wrote:

Edit: I mean, is there any other show that (even if it dropped a little bit in quality) can provide this kind of quality. I'd argue no.


Not unless you count Adventure Time.

I think its actually dipped hugely in quality, but it might just be that alot of the things i really enjoyed seem to be missing. That could have been a stylistic choice, or the evolution of the story though. There's much less cleverness now, and much more EPIC stuff happening. The whole show has a much less ominous feel to it, and its all been replaced by EPIC.
I guess that's fair enough given that the show had to go somewhere, maybe it was even inevitable that it would take this course, but for me, and probably many other people, the setup was much more interesting than the current 'payoff' phase.

Its still really good though.
RIP Meatloaf <3
solidbebe
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4921 Posts
June 09 2015 10:28 GMT
#27968
Compared to other shows, GoT is still really good. But compared to previous seasons, its pretty bad. The difference in writing is very obvious.

The drop in quality is more than 'a little bit'.
That's the 2nd time in a week I've seen someone sig a quote from this GD and I have never witnessed a sig quote happen in my TL history ever before. -Najda
BluzMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Russian Federation4235 Posts
June 09 2015 10:42 GMT
#27969
It was "you win or you die".

Now it's "you win or you try again".

People got punished hard in this show for stupidity and naivetee, not anymore. Now it's random unsullied paying the death toll, just like in Xena the Warrior Princess. Seriously, if episode 5.9 would be something the show started with (and I had no itch to find out what happens to the characters I like), I'd never bother to watch it in the first place.

- I tried to save those people and I failed them! (no, they are random dudes you tried to parley with, you fool)
- You atrocious acting is going to get us all killed, Jon Snow.

Jorah throwing a spear at a harpy that's randomly just behind a HEAVILY GUARDED QUEEN. Dornish people making friends with everyone. Jaime appointing Tristane hand without giving at least a minute of thought (hey, that may have something to do with him having no say in the matter). The Sand widow befriending Jaime after going as far as willing to kill her own people just to take vengeance on his innocent niece. Bronn being punched in the face after leaving the most beautiful girl in the world in her prison cell. Deus ex machina dragons appearing from nowhere right at the exact time (you could argue that the wight attack in Hardhome was at least a reaction to Jon Snow's arrival, not a mere coincidence, but what with this?). Daenerys taking fucking 10 seconds to climb a dragon who just got a throwing spear in the exact same spot she climbed on, no danger and all. Special effects from the 90's even though that doesn't concern me that much as long as the acting's good. Invisible men burning the huts. Apparently people from Dreadfort know all the trails north of fucking Winterfell very well. (I'm sure every Londoner knows every tree around Edinburgh). Stannis burning his daughter alive for no fucking reason than to make the viewer feel uncomfortable. He's already having problems with deserters, that's his way to fix it?!! It is a clear message to his men "Hey, our food supplies just got destroyed due to glaring incompetence in camp security, but I'm a reasonable man, so here's my daughter burnt at a stake, follow me for glory and riches". What?

Seriously, this has nothing to do with granny talk. The show's quality dropped below sea level. The characters are the same and even the story has common roots, but this is no longer the show I loved.
You want 20 good men, but you need a bad pussy.
Spaylz
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan1743 Posts
June 09 2015 11:01 GMT
#27970
On June 09 2015 19:42 BluzMan wrote:
It was "you win or you die".

Now it's "you win or you try again".

People got punished hard in this show for stupidity and naivetee, not anymore. Now it's random unsullied paying the death toll, just like in Xena the Warrior Princess. Seriously, if episode 5.9 would be something the show started with (and I had no itch to find out what happens to the characters I like), I'd never bother to watch it in the first place.

- I tried to save those people and I failed them! (no, they are random dudes you tried to parley with, you fool)
- You atrocious acting is going to get us all killed, Jon Snow.

Jorah throwing a spear at a harpy that's randomly just behind a HEAVILY GUARDED QUEEN. Dornish people making friends with everyone. Jaime appointing Tristane hand without giving at least a minute of thought (hey, that may have something to do with him having no say in the matter). The Sand widow befriending Jaime after going as far as willing to kill her own people just to take vengeance on his innocent niece. Bronn being punched in the face after leaving the most beautiful girl in the world in her prison cell. Deus ex machina dragons appearing from nowhere right at the exact time (you could argue that the wight attack in Hardhome was at least a reaction to Jon Snow's arrival, not a mere coincidence, but what with this?). Daenerys taking fucking 10 seconds to climb a dragon who just got a throwing spear in the exact same spot she climbed on, no danger and all. Special effects from the 90's even though that doesn't concern me that much as long as the acting's good. Invisible men burning the huts. Apparently people from Dreadfort know all the trails north of fucking Winterfell very well. (I'm sure every Londoner knows every tree around Edinburgh). Stannis burning his daughter alive for no fucking reason than to make the viewer feel uncomfortable. He's already having problems with deserters, that's his way to fix it?!! It is a clear message to his men "Hey, our food supplies just got destroyed due to glaring incompetence in camp security, but I'm a reasonable man, so here's my daughter burnt at a stake, follow me for glory and riches". What?

Seriously, this has nothing to do with granny talk. The show's quality dropped below sea level. The characters are the same and even the story has common roots, but this is no longer the show I loved.


While I agree with some of your points, I think you are exaggerating a bit. Anything put that way will sound stupid.

But yes, the writing has taken a dive. It started in season 4 already, with scenes such as the Dreadfort fiasco with Yara.
I like words.
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
June 09 2015 11:01 GMT
#27971
1. Jamie said he will do his best to get Tristane on small council, not name him Hand.
2. The Dragon could have been attracted by lots of people and blood?
3. The people with spears were on the other side of the dragon and he burned most of them.
4. Northmen know how to move faster and easier in the snow and have needed equipment. And maybe they scouted the area
for possible camp locations before Stannis arrived.
5. Stannis had a reason. It was told that he cannot got back or forward due to not having enough supplies and full winter locking them in. He just did what he did earlier when he killed his brother. We are talking about a guy that could not even embrace his daughter earlier in the season when he told her about how he fought to save her from grayscale. When she went to hug him, he just stood there like a tree. He is a sociopath and cannot truly love anyone. His men also follow the red god or would have abandoned him long time ago. The mercenaries already did in earlier episode.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22453 Posts
June 09 2015 11:23 GMT
#27972
Bluzman, I suggest taking a chill pill and paying attention to what your watching next time rather then getting pointless worked up.
There are plenty of things you can question but your points are almost entirely dismissed based on just watching the show.

If you dont know why Stannis burned his daugher you have not been watching
If you dont see why Bronn gets hit face punched in you have not been watching
If you dont pick up on the Bolton's having the advantage during the snow you have not been watching
Tristane isnt made hand, you have not been watching.
The Dornish king made it very clear why he is being friendly, you have not been watching.

It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10920 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-09 11:27:55
June 09 2015 11:24 GMT
#27973
I agree.

Its too much EPIC atm and not enough actual intrigue/deception/drama.

John goes to the Wildlings... Suddenly ZOMBIEATTACK.
Jorah fights in the Arena... Suddenly half the Arena is filled with bad guys whiteout anyone noticing before and DRAGONACTION.
Jayme and Bron go on a buddytrip, lets have them fight random dudes and arrive just the same time as the sandsnakes for more pointless fighting, lets also poison Bron to later show off BEEEWBS and hey lets heal him just because we have now seen BEEEWBS.
Arya can walk into a Brothel and despite being sent out by everyone that has any say there, can stay because 1 hooker wanted some oysters, why? To Show us that the bad guy is not just a bad guy, he is even a pedophile.
Stannis burns his daughter because, well... Its cold, in the North where it is supposed to be cold? I would imagine they would be prepared for really harsh weather, they went north of the wall to fight Wildlings ffs.


Yeah, all this makes somewhat sense, but that doesn't make it good writing or anything like that.

Seriously, it went downhill. Still enjoyable but not as good as it once was.
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13081 Posts
June 09 2015 11:25 GMT
#27974
On June 09 2015 10:08 BluzMan wrote:
This was pretty much the worst game of thrones episode I have ever seen. And I've seen them dozens.


Worse than episode 6 of this season ?!
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
KingAlphard
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Italy1705 Posts
June 09 2015 11:32 GMT
#27975
Magic is a fundamental element of fantasy shows, got included. Daenarys isn't called the mother of dragons for no reason. She probably has a potential telepathic contact with the dragons, but she can't manage it yet. In that situation she was in terrible danger and she instinctively called the dragons for help. Or simply the dragon himself felt that his mother was in danger.

And to people saying that Stannis' behaviour is implausible. There are many reasons to think the opposite, but aside from that, if all the character acted in the way you'd expect them, the show would be extremely boring. I waited until the last second for Stannis to stop the stake, but when he didn't , I wasn't surprised at all. Sounds like people are just being mad because of how Shireen died, it will pass.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22453 Posts
June 09 2015 11:33 GMT
#27976
Seriously how many flashing neon signs do people need that they don't see why Stannis did it?

You can argue it is not in his character but the why is entirely clear, he says it minutes before. He is stuck in the snow. cant go forward because of the weather and he has not enough supplies to get back to Castle Black. Every time we have seen Stannis since he arrived at the Wall we have been told he needs to hurry to beat the snow. He obviously gets caught by said snow. Mellisandra told him she needs his daughter to work her magic.
He didn't need a lot of supplies to fight the Wildlings, He arrived with a fleet of ships who dropped his troops off at the coast and he marched strait for the fight and there was not a snowstorm happening.

It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
June 09 2015 11:39 GMT
#27977
On June 09 2015 20:24 Velr wrote:
I agree.

Its too much EPIC atm and not enough actual intrigue/deception/drama.

John goes to the Wildlings... Suddenly ZOMBIEATTACK.
Jorah fights in the Arena... Suddenly half the Arena is filled with bad guys whiteout anyone noticing before and DRAGONACTION.
Jayme and Bron go on a buddytrip, lets have them fight random dudes and arrive just the same time as the sandsnakes for more pointless fighting, lets also poison Bron to later show off BEEEWBS and hey lets heal him just because we have now seen BEEEWBS.
Arya can walk into a Brothel and despite being sent out by everyone that has any say there, can stay because 1 hooker wanted some oysters, why? To Show us that the bad guy is not just a bad guy, he is even a pedophile.
Stannis burns his daughter because, well... Its cold, in the North where it is supposed to be cold? I would imagine they would be prepared for really harsh weather, they went north of the wall to fight Wildlings ffs.


Yeah, all this makes somewhat sense, but that doesn't make it good writing or anything like that.

Seriously, it went downhill. Still enjoyable but not as good as it once was.

Worse than random dagger attack on near-dead boy and wolf magically shows up and kills the assassin!? Jaime and Ned meet on the street and random brawl occurs! Random zombie attack in the nights watch into Joer getting attacked.. somehow? Tyrion and Cat en route to the vale... OH NO MOUNTAIN MEN SHOW UP AND ATTACK.

I mean shit guys, the show's quality hasn't changed as dramatically as you're making out. (One thing has changed between then and now... but alas, this is the non-book thread)
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Salteador Neo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Andorra5591 Posts
June 09 2015 11:48 GMT
#27978
I love the show as much as the biggest nerd but the Dorne part is just a complete waste of time tbh. The only saving part were the bewbs.
Revolutionist fan
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10920 Posts
June 09 2015 11:59 GMT
#27979
Jayme vs Ned had build up and it wasn't random (Jayme even had Soldiers with him that decided the battle). You might want to point at Brienne for "random" Encounters, Ned vs Jayme? That wasn't really random.
Random Zombie attack was random and actually improved Snows Standing with the Nightswatch and actually intodruced Zombies.
Mountain Men attack caravan near Mountains... Yes?
Random Dagger attack? It was a single assassin and had a clear reason/motive.
Wolve magically Shows up? Don't remember but the wolve but Wolve is Brans pet, his pet is near him, how is this random? The truely random wolve happened in this season at the wall.

Its still a very enjoyable show but atm it seems like stuff is happening whiteout buildup or much tought about how/why this even should happen.
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-09 12:05:03
June 09 2015 12:00 GMT
#27980
On June 09 2015 20:39 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2015 20:24 Velr wrote:
I agree.

Its too much EPIC atm and not enough actual intrigue/deception/drama.

John goes to the Wildlings... Suddenly ZOMBIEATTACK.
Jorah fights in the Arena... Suddenly half the Arena is filled with bad guys whiteout anyone noticing before and DRAGONACTION.
Jayme and Bron go on a buddytrip, lets have them fight random dudes and arrive just the same time as the sandsnakes for more pointless fighting, lets also poison Bron to later show off BEEEWBS and hey lets heal him just because we have now seen BEEEWBS.
Arya can walk into a Brothel and despite being sent out by everyone that has any say there, can stay because 1 hooker wanted some oysters, why? To Show us that the bad guy is not just a bad guy, he is even a pedophile.
Stannis burns his daughter because, well... Its cold, in the North where it is supposed to be cold? I would imagine they would be prepared for really harsh weather, they went north of the wall to fight Wildlings ffs.


Yeah, all this makes somewhat sense, but that doesn't make it good writing or anything like that.

Seriously, it went downhill. Still enjoyable but not as good as it once was.

Worse than random dagger attack on near-dead boy and wolf magically shows up and kills the assassin!? Jaime and Ned meet on the street and random brawl occurs! Random zombie attack in the nights watch into Joer getting attacked.. somehow? Tyrion and Cat en route to the vale... OH NO MOUNTAIN MEN SHOW UP AND ATTACK.

I mean shit guys, the show's quality hasn't changed as dramatically as you're making out. (One thing has changed between then and now... but alas, this is the non-book thread)

While others are overreacting your examples are bad.
1. Dire wolf sensed his master in danger, he arrived when he did because he needed to get up the tower. We knew they were connected and the dire wolf was around.
2. Jamie and Ned didn't meet randomly on street. Ned and Littlefinger left the whore house and Jamie waited for them there.
3. There was no random zombie attack, those bodies were found outside that day and brought inside. They rose up on the first night after that and probably told to kill the Lord Commander. Snow was living with Lord Commander being his servant.
4. Tyrion and Cat were attacked by bandits that live in that area, nothing strange about that.

If you don't see a difference between that and Jon arrives to save wildlings and suddenly WW attack I cannot help you.
On June 09 2015 20:59 Velr wrote:
The truely random wolve happened in this season at the wall.

That wasn't random as well. It was Ghost that was left in castle black and he saved Sam that is closest friend of Jon and Ghost knows it.
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