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On November 09 2010 07:19 tbrown47 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2010 06:51 ShAsTa wrote:
They may sort of fit his code but he is doing this for Lumen, not for himself. If he let the cops handle it, they would probably catch them too. He derailed the investigation because she wants to kill them herself (or have Dexter do it and be in the room). They weren't on his radar, he didn't stalk them. A couple eps ago he urged her to forget about it and get on with her life. He wasn't going to pursue the matter himself. where does the "sort of" come from in " sort of fit his code"? his code is kill people who have killed other people, basically. they fit his code just as much as everyone else he has killed. in fact i was surprised he wasnt more enthusiastic about it in the first place. i was more questioning his thinking when he said "let the cops handle it" than when he agreed to help Lumen.
The "sort of" comes from the fact that it was Boyd that did the killing. The others were "just" rapists. They are accomplices to murder but they are not murderers themselves.
On November 09 2010 07:31 Fraidnot wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2010 06:51 ShAsTa wrote:On November 09 2010 06:04 vylant wrote:On November 09 2010 03:28 ShAsTa wrote:On November 09 2010 02:42 Rebornlife wrote:On November 09 2010 02:15 ShAsTa wrote:On November 09 2010 02:10 HeavOnEarth wrote:On November 09 2010 02:09 ShAsTa wrote:On November 09 2010 01:53 Mattes wrote:On November 09 2010 01:23 ShAsTa wrote:
It doesn't matter what Lumen wants. Yes it does. why didnt he tip-off the police with every single one of the countless murderers, like mentioned in this episode, they probably wouldve all been killed by law, instead of killing them by himself? Its his dark passenger. His "Need" to do it, the same Need that Lumen now feels. Thats why he sympathizes with her, even helps her, and who knows, even accepts her as "partner" (like mentioned in the end of e07) It's not his need to kill *these* men. It's hers. < < Dexter can sympathize all he wants, it doesn't mean he should derail the investigation and help her kill them. The cops were onto them. Like he said, it would probably be just a matter of time before they were all caught. Oh yes, because Dexter has never derailed an investigation so he can get the guy himself. Have you even watched the whole series? He did that for himself. This is all for Lumen, which I think is too contrived. This isn't all for Lumen though. Dexter kills people that fit his code, these men all participated in a rape then kill spree of 12 women which definitely fits them in the code. So Dexter, while knowing how Lumen feels and sympathizing for her need is doing the kills for both of them. They may sort of fit his code but he is doing this for Lumen, not for himself. If he let the cops handle it, they would probably catch them too. He derailed the investigation because she wants to kill them herself (or have Dexter do it and be in the room). They weren't on his radar, he didn't stalk them. A couple eps ago he urged her to forget about it and get on with her life. He wasn't going to pursue the matter himself. I think you'd be hard pressed to say that Dexter doesn't enjoy doing it. It's very clear from the end of the ep that he's come to see Lumen as his partner and not just some girl he's helping out. This episode was a total get from point A to B.
That's the problem. How did she suddenly become his "partner"? Didn't season 3 teach him anything?
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In real life the person who orders the murders is just as, or more, guilty than the person who executes them.
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On November 09 2010 07:46 ShAsTa wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2010 07:19 tbrown47 wrote:On November 09 2010 06:51 ShAsTa wrote:
They may sort of fit his code but he is doing this for Lumen, not for himself. If he let the cops handle it, they would probably catch them too. He derailed the investigation because she wants to kill them herself (or have Dexter do it and be in the room). They weren't on his radar, he didn't stalk them. A couple eps ago he urged her to forget about it and get on with her life. He wasn't going to pursue the matter himself. where does the "sort of" come from in " sort of fit his code"? his code is kill people who have killed other people, basically. they fit his code just as much as everyone else he has killed. in fact i was surprised he wasnt more enthusiastic about it in the first place. i was more questioning his thinking when he said "let the cops handle it" than when he agreed to help Lumen. The "sort of" comes from the fact that it was Boyd that did the killing. The others were "just" rapists. They are accomplices to murder but they are not murderers themselves. Show nested quote +On November 09 2010 07:31 Fraidnot wrote:On November 09 2010 06:51 ShAsTa wrote:On November 09 2010 06:04 vylant wrote:On November 09 2010 03:28 ShAsTa wrote:On November 09 2010 02:42 Rebornlife wrote:On November 09 2010 02:15 ShAsTa wrote:On November 09 2010 02:10 HeavOnEarth wrote:On November 09 2010 02:09 ShAsTa wrote:On November 09 2010 01:53 Mattes wrote:
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Yes it does.
why didnt he tip-off the police with every single one of the countless murderers, like mentioned in this episode, they probably wouldve all been killed by law, instead of killing them by himself?
Its his dark passenger. His "Need" to do it, the same Need that Lumen now feels.
Thats why he sympathizes with her, even helps her, and who knows, even accepts her as "partner" (like mentioned in the end of e07) It's not his need to kill *these* men. It's hers. < < Dexter can sympathize all he wants, it doesn't mean he should derail the investigation and help her kill them. The cops were onto them. Like he said, it would probably be just a matter of time before they were all caught. Oh yes, because Dexter has never derailed an investigation so he can get the guy himself. Have you even watched the whole series? He did that for himself. This is all for Lumen, which I think is too contrived. This isn't all for Lumen though. Dexter kills people that fit his code, these men all participated in a rape then kill spree of 12 women which definitely fits them in the code. So Dexter, while knowing how Lumen feels and sympathizing for her need is doing the kills for both of them. They may sort of fit his code but he is doing this for Lumen, not for himself. If he let the cops handle it, they would probably catch them too. He derailed the investigation because she wants to kill them herself (or have Dexter do it and be in the room). They weren't on his radar, he didn't stalk them. A couple eps ago he urged her to forget about it and get on with her life. He wasn't going to pursue the matter himself. I think you'd be hard pressed to say that Dexter doesn't enjoy doing it. It's very clear from the end of the ep that he's come to see Lumen as his partner and not just some girl he's helping out. This episode was a total get from point A to B. That's the problem. How did she suddenly become his "partner"? Didn't season 3 teach him anything?
Dexter is not perfect like all humans 
For me this season builds up suspension/hype around Dexter and Lumen. How she is damaged goods (as she said season 1 about Rita)
The thing is to not worry about the code. If Dexter does something against it he will suffer.
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On November 09 2010 08:47 Too_MuchZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2010 07:46 ShAsTa wrote:On November 09 2010 07:19 tbrown47 wrote:On November 09 2010 06:51 ShAsTa wrote:
They may sort of fit his code but he is doing this for Lumen, not for himself. If he let the cops handle it, they would probably catch them too. He derailed the investigation because she wants to kill them herself (or have Dexter do it and be in the room). They weren't on his radar, he didn't stalk them. A couple eps ago he urged her to forget about it and get on with her life. He wasn't going to pursue the matter himself. where does the "sort of" come from in " sort of fit his code"? his code is kill people who have killed other people, basically. they fit his code just as much as everyone else he has killed. in fact i was surprised he wasnt more enthusiastic about it in the first place. i was more questioning his thinking when he said "let the cops handle it" than when he agreed to help Lumen. The "sort of" comes from the fact that it was Boyd that did the killing. The others were "just" rapists. They are accomplices to murder but they are not murderers themselves. On November 09 2010 07:31 Fraidnot wrote:On November 09 2010 06:51 ShAsTa wrote:On November 09 2010 06:04 vylant wrote:On November 09 2010 03:28 ShAsTa wrote:On November 09 2010 02:42 Rebornlife wrote:On November 09 2010 02:15 ShAsTa wrote:On November 09 2010 02:10 HeavOnEarth wrote:On November 09 2010 02:09 ShAsTa wrote:
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It's not his need to kill *these* men. It's hers. < < Dexter can sympathize all he wants, it doesn't mean he should derail the investigation and help her kill them. The cops were onto them. Like he said, it would probably be just a matter of time before they were all caught. Oh yes, because Dexter has never derailed an investigation so he can get the guy himself. Have you even watched the whole series? He did that for himself. This is all for Lumen, which I think is too contrived. This isn't all for Lumen though. Dexter kills people that fit his code, these men all participated in a rape then kill spree of 12 women which definitely fits them in the code. So Dexter, while knowing how Lumen feels and sympathizing for her need is doing the kills for both of them. They may sort of fit his code but he is doing this for Lumen, not for himself. If he let the cops handle it, they would probably catch them too. He derailed the investigation because she wants to kill them herself (or have Dexter do it and be in the room). They weren't on his radar, he didn't stalk them. A couple eps ago he urged her to forget about it and get on with her life. He wasn't going to pursue the matter himself. I think you'd be hard pressed to say that Dexter doesn't enjoy doing it. It's very clear from the end of the ep that he's come to see Lumen as his partner and not just some girl he's helping out. This episode was a total get from point A to B. That's the problem. How did she suddenly become his "partner"? Didn't season 3 teach him anything? Dexter is not perfect like all humans For me this season builds up suspension/hype around Dexter and Lumen. How she is damaged goods (as she said season 1 about Rita) The thing is to not worry about the code. If Dexter does something against it he will suffer.
Dexter mentions in the episode that HE needs this. He's just replacing Rita with Lumen as best as he can.
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On November 09 2010 08:47 Too_MuchZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2010 07:46 ShAsTa wrote:On November 09 2010 07:19 tbrown47 wrote:On November 09 2010 06:51 ShAsTa wrote:
They may sort of fit his code but he is doing this for Lumen, not for himself. If he let the cops handle it, they would probably catch them too. He derailed the investigation because she wants to kill them herself (or have Dexter do it and be in the room). They weren't on his radar, he didn't stalk them. A couple eps ago he urged her to forget about it and get on with her life. He wasn't going to pursue the matter himself. where does the "sort of" come from in " sort of fit his code"? his code is kill people who have killed other people, basically. they fit his code just as much as everyone else he has killed. in fact i was surprised he wasnt more enthusiastic about it in the first place. i was more questioning his thinking when he said "let the cops handle it" than when he agreed to help Lumen. The "sort of" comes from the fact that it was Boyd that did the killing. The others were "just" rapists. They are accomplices to murder but they are not murderers themselves. On November 09 2010 07:31 Fraidnot wrote:On November 09 2010 06:51 ShAsTa wrote:On November 09 2010 06:04 vylant wrote:On November 09 2010 03:28 ShAsTa wrote:On November 09 2010 02:42 Rebornlife wrote:On November 09 2010 02:15 ShAsTa wrote:On November 09 2010 02:10 HeavOnEarth wrote:On November 09 2010 02:09 ShAsTa wrote:
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It's not his need to kill *these* men. It's hers. < < Dexter can sympathize all he wants, it doesn't mean he should derail the investigation and help her kill them. The cops were onto them. Like he said, it would probably be just a matter of time before they were all caught. Oh yes, because Dexter has never derailed an investigation so he can get the guy himself. Have you even watched the whole series? He did that for himself. This is all for Lumen, which I think is too contrived. This isn't all for Lumen though. Dexter kills people that fit his code, these men all participated in a rape then kill spree of 12 women which definitely fits them in the code. So Dexter, while knowing how Lumen feels and sympathizing for her need is doing the kills for both of them. They may sort of fit his code but he is doing this for Lumen, not for himself. If he let the cops handle it, they would probably catch them too. He derailed the investigation because she wants to kill them herself (or have Dexter do it and be in the room). They weren't on his radar, he didn't stalk them. A couple eps ago he urged her to forget about it and get on with her life. He wasn't going to pursue the matter himself. I think you'd be hard pressed to say that Dexter doesn't enjoy doing it. It's very clear from the end of the ep that he's come to see Lumen as his partner and not just some girl he's helping out. This episode was a total get from point A to B. That's the problem. How did she suddenly become his "partner"? Didn't season 3 teach him anything? Dexter is not perfect like all humans For me this season builds up suspension/hype around Dexter and Lumen. How she is damaged goods (as she said season 1 about Rita) The thing is to not worry about the code. If Dexter does something against it he will suffer.
I don't want him to suffer. I just think that he is making some very bad choices. He usually doesn't do that. The whole "can't avenge Rita, so I'll help Lumen" thing doesn't make any sense.
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I like the previous episode and this season is pretty good so far. I honestly did not expect the whole teenager friend thing and Boyd being part of the rapist circle. Maybe I'm just slow but I'm starting to like this season more and more with each passing episode.
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Mark my words, the babysitter is something sinister.
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I am getting more and more disappointed with this season, it lacks direction. Dexter is supposed to be coming apart at the seams with Rita's death and the pressure being put on him by Doakes II. What irks me the most is that in the season preview it looked like they were going this direction and in the season premier it appeared that the season was going to be about Dexter being lost after Rita's death. I really enjoyed parts where Dexter would either be holed up inside of himself or let out his anger in a destructive way like he did in the first episodes, right now it seems like they brushed that plot under the rug.
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Korea (South)1667 Posts
On November 09 2010 03:22 RationalGaze wrote:
Latest episode was ok, but it was really contrived that the guy driving the truck with the bodies just happened to have a major accident as he was transporting them.
It was pretty funny when Dexter showed Lumen the photo of the motivational speaker and Masuka and she said "I've never seen that guy before, but he's definitely a freak." and Dexter said "No not the bald guy, the one next to him."
Maybe it is a little contrived, but how many times have you witnessed this happen to the protagonist? I think it's good to see the bad guys hitting some bad luck at times too, it's not like they're all criminal masterminds.
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On November 09 2010 07:46 ShAsTa wrote:The "sort of" comes from the fact that it was Boyd that did the killing. The others were "just" rapists. They are accomplices to murder but they are not murderers themselves.
I think we will eventually find out that most/all of Lumen's rapists are murderers. The one that Lumen shot was very surprised to see her still alive. Whether or not they did the murdering themselves (even though I think they have) they obviously support it. Dexter doesn't mind stretching the rules of the code as of late with everything he has learned about Harry.
I am not disappointed with this season at all, the intensity is on par with every preceding season up until this point. I find all of these disappointed reactions very strange. I am expecting this to be the best season by the end.
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I really like this show, Dexter is so complicated person and the way you can see what is going on inside his head, just wow great. The last serie got me a little worried though, cause it brought a lot of nonsense into practically perfect show. I mean they usually investigate every little shit 5 times through to know everything about it and why it happened. When they find two guys died under really really weird circumstances, all they do about it is laughing...seriously what the fuck, this basically means they just crapped all over the seriousnes of the show focused on details in previous parts. We can excuse that Dexter is a little bit overpowered and he does some crazy shit that would not probably be possible, but it is ok as i like it that way. But i can't excuse when all you watch through series is details details and details of murders and stuff around it and then they just crap on it like this.
By the way the babysitter reminds me of the crazy chick Dexter met at the rehab (don't remember her name). Detective Quinn is full of shit and one of the most fake character that appeared in the show. Don't know what to think about Lumen when she always acts first and think after she realizes she fucked up. Also if it was real, Lumen would get Dexter busted pretty fucking immediately...
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Beyonder
Netherlands15103 Posts
The babysitter is lumen's mother.
CALLED IT, even though it makes no sense at all.
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On November 09 2010 21:22 Beyonder wrote:
The babysitter is lumen's mother.
CALLED IT, even though it makes no sense at all.
Yea, something has to be up with the babysitter.
She may be Lila's (the crazy bitch who blew up Doakes) mother too coming to avenge her daughter?
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Beyonder
Netherlands15103 Posts
On November 09 2010 21:31 MidKnight wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2010 21:22 Beyonder wrote:
The babysitter is lumen's mother.
CALLED IT, even though it makes no sense at all. Yea, something has to be up with the babysitter. She may be Lila's (the crazy bitch who blew up Doakes) mother too coming to avenge her daughter?
Haha, interesting idea too. Or somehow related to last seasons psycho^^
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IMO the babysitter is just a kind woman who serves as a counter weight contrasting nicely with the rapists, murderers and dark messengers in Dexter's life. While Dexter half expects Harrison to be tainted with blood, she thinks of Harrison as an innocent lovely baby.
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On November 09 2010 21:31 MidKnight wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2010 21:22 Beyonder wrote:
The babysitter is lumen's mother.
CALLED IT, even though it makes no sense at all. Yea, something has to be up with the babysitter. She may be Lila's (the crazy bitch who blew up Doakes) mother too coming to avenge her daughter?
Haha I like that theory, wouldn't make a lot of sense though as the babysitter is Irish and Lila was English.
I do agree there's something up with her though! No one is that nice
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On November 09 2010 21:54 Beyonder wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2010 21:31 MidKnight wrote:On November 09 2010 21:22 Beyonder wrote:
The babysitter is lumen's mother.
CALLED IT, even though it makes no sense at all. Yea, something has to be up with the babysitter. She may be Lila's (the crazy bitch who blew up Doakes) mother too coming to avenge her daughter? Haha, interesting idea too. Or somehow related to last seasons psycho^^
It's clearly Doakes in disguise >__>.
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Considering Dexter had to go back and beg the babysitter to work for him again, I don't think she is "sinister" in any way. Shes just there so the viewers don't always ask themselves, "Who is watching Harrison?"
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She gets too many lines and too much time on camera to be just a babysitter.
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It would be cool if she is just a babysitter, and somehow ends up finding out dexter was a serial killer.
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