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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
On December 19 2017 21:19 Pandemona wrote: Yeah plus add in Rey came across as the worst actress in all of human existence it felt like to me at least  Probably that detail won't make much difference with good script. But when everything is so messy...yea, she did mediocre acting at least. On the other hand it's hard to find Gal Gadot for every female character | ||
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VHbb
692 Posts
I'm not sure why Rose kissing Flinn looked weird to you ... I think it's a nice story of two side characters | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10917 Posts
Weird is an understatement  . | ||
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
On December 19 2017 21:28 VHbb wrote: I think that's at least subjective: to me, Rey's actress is a perfect fit for the role. I'm not sure why Rose kissing Flinn looked weird to you ... I think it's a nice story of two side characters It's not about Rose kissing Fin, it's about empiness of their sub-plot which takes lots of screen time. Besides the whole kissing scene makes 0 sense to me, the worst timings with worst reasoning. Don't get me wrong, I like asian girls, but it went wrong, because WHY WOULD YOU EVER CARE about two people kissing each other (considering we know almost nothing about Fin and nothing at all about those asian girl, I just can't empathize to any of them) in a middle of WAR. Like only these two matters, people literally dying there from both sides. It's about wasted characters and wasted lore. Honestly I think Fin actor did one the best acting in a movie overall, despite him being useless in this plot and story development. Maybe my expectation were a bit high, but now we know lots of details about how these movie was made and we can clearly see it was a shitshow due to several big reasons. Yes, for those who got no clue about SW universe at all such movie would be fine. For me - on the other hand quality matters the most. | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
He also praised the worst scene i have seen in a movie, where Luke Skywalker, the greatest jedi of all time, milks a freaking alien cow and drinks the milk in front of Rey! Good lord that was cringey as fuck for cheap laughs. Then to address the good and evil plus no more sith vs jedi. If it isn't that, what is it? The sith were the bad guys, now Kylo Ren will create a new army and call it something else, so what is the difference? If he doesn't create a new army or doesn't call it anything then it's just pointless? Then the no Jedi part is just not Star Wars right, that is what the film was based on why would you destroy that to then get praised for it? Be like directing a transformers film but having no robots transform and fight because that isn't what transformers are doing now... Just baffled by some of these reviews is all, they just make me rant because i don't get what they are watching. Like people have pointed out in here, not the flaws in the ability to jump light speed and blowing up a ship. But the 8hour romance added in with the 5 days or so that pass with Rey and Luke doing nothing and the worst part at how it's basically taken all parts of Star Wars and just been a bit "edgy" and reversed the outcomes, without delving into the reasons why. | ||
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
U've heard what Mark said? They don't care about quality, they don't care about personalities, they care only about money. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
Is it possible to make a fine trilogy with constant story considering different movies made by different directors? TFA Directed by J. J. Abrams Produced by Kathleen Kennedy J. J. Abrams Bryan Burk Written by Lawrence Kasdan J. J. Abrams Michael Arndt followed by TLJ Directed by Rian Johnson Produced by Kathleen Kennedy Ram Bergman Written by Rian Johnson | ||
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ragz_gt
9172 Posts
On December 19 2017 16:14 Vindicare605 wrote: So it's the same situation just more hopeless, with a confused secondary protagonist. Fine, I'll admit to those things. That doesn't change ANY of what I said before, this story is completely unoriginal and it suffers from all kinds of glaring other problems that have already been brought up, your entire defense to my point is that the interstellar skype session was silly and that Finn is a confused character and that the ending is hopeless. That's not a defense at all. I wasn't defending anything, all I said was that SW8 isn't as much a rehash as SW7. You either like it or not, I'm not in the business of changing people's taste. | ||
hexhaven
Finland964 Posts
On December 19 2017 22:48 Dav1oN wrote: Who can help me with revelation. Is it possible to make a fine trilogy with constant story considering different movies made by different directors? You mean ... like the Star Wars trilogy from the 70s and 80s? | ||
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ragz_gt
9172 Posts
On December 19 2017 22:00 Velr wrote: They knew each other for ~8 hours and just had a high speed crash, she is also badly wounded. Weird is an understatement .Adrenaline hella a aphrodisiac. That's why you hear all the story about Olympic villages run out condom | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10152 Posts
On December 19 2017 22:48 Dav1oN wrote: Who can help me with revelation. Is it possible to make a fine trilogy with constant story considering different movies made by different directors? TFA Directed by J. J. Abrams Produced by Kathleen Kennedy J. J. Abrams Bryan Burk Written by Lawrence Kasdan J. J. Abrams Michael Arndt followed by TLJ Directed by Rian Johnson Produced by Kathleen Kennedy Ram Bergman Written by Rian Johnson Yeah it exists. It's called Star Wars. ;P | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10917 Posts
On December 19 2017 23:55 ragz_gt wrote: Adrenaline hella a aphrodisiac. That's why you hear all the story about Olympic villages run out condom Or its that thousand young/beautifull athletes are close together far from home... | ||
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ragz_gt
9172 Posts
On December 20 2017 00:14 Velr wrote: Or its that thousand young/beautifull athletes are close together far from home... This is a silly convo anyway but the effect of adrenaline is fairly well studied | ||
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
On December 19 2017 13:42 Nakajin wrote: I mean you can dislike the movie or even hate it but it was clearly not a pile of crap, on it's own it's a pretty competent movie with some overstretch moments, probably to many characters, some toy selling characters and a bit of incoherence in the plot but nothing particularly jarring. If it wasn't Star wars almost no one would say it's a trash film, it's full of amazing performance, a very good cinematography and soundtrack, there is some great characters building between Kylo and Rey and overall it's still a pretty compelling and logical plot. It's two thing to hate it as the continuation of the Star wars story and to hate it has a movie. Of course you can dislike the movie but it's not like it was Jupiter Ascending of some other disastrous blockbuster movie. I would be very surprise if a lot of casual viewers really hated this movie. I mean, Leia sky diving in space after getting blown out. Yoda popping up out of nowhere sending thunder to burn the Jedi books. Characters who are absolutely irrelevant getting some sort of scene time. Luke "finding peace" after not defeating Kylo Ren or doing anything actually. Giving Snoke an insane amount of power and then having him die in a shitty way. Cheesy villain lines. Repetitive and unoriginal comedic breaks. Kylo and Rey development had much more potential than was used, imo. List goes on and on. You can like the movie, and maybe the words "pile of crap" are unfair when you got enjoyment out of it. To me "pile of crap" is the summation of things like the above + my subjective dissatisfaction. That's also exactly how I view Jupiter Ascending btw, so =/. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
On December 19 2017 20:50 VHbb wrote: Somehow I wonder: has there been (recently) either a sequel of a successful franchise, or just a *very* hyped movie - show, which did live up to general expectations? Blade Runner 2049 | ||
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VHbb
692 Posts
Thanks - that's actually one I have yet to watch  A bit sad I missed it at the movie theater, I'll have to find some good quality source.. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10917 Posts
John Wick, Mad max fury road, Valerian and the city of a thousand planets i tought are very entertaining. Not really sequels but Hollywood is barely doing any original blockbusters anymore. The Issue with the Star Wars franchise is probably that they kinda have to go for this ultra epic storylines. They could just scale down the stuff, take more freedom and do good movies. I didn't really like rogue one but it was allright, why not build a trilogy like that? Have 1-3 big characters and let them have really fleshed out Arcs. Ffs they could just have Fin remain in coma for the entire movie, obviously they had no idea what to do with him except appealing to black/asian markets. | ||
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ragz_gt
9172 Posts
imo pretty good review. You might not agree with their taste but their points are solid | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16124 Posts
On December 19 2017 20:14 levelping wrote: I agree about the kylo - rey team up - the setting (with the red tones) was also great. It was also pretty great that in the lead up and the aftermath, you aren't really sure where Kylo's loyalties lie. Snoke though, if you look back at Episode 5/6 people just accepted Palpatine as being the Emperor. There wasn't really a need to know further than that, since Vader was supposed to be the main focus. That's such a false equivalency. We accepted Palpatine because he was the Emperor of the Galactic Empire, a force that existed since the start of the films and didn't really need an introduction. (And that's ignoring the obvious fact that George Lucas gave us 3 prequel movies to explain what the Empire is and who Palpatine was) Snoke can't just come in and be Supreme Leader the way Palpatine did in the story because we have this entire already existing universe that he needs to somehow fit into. Palpatine never had that problem, the Empire existed from the moment the series started and he was mentioned as just the leader of it getting little bits of build up in ESB before being fully fleshed out in RoTJ. The entire sequel trilogy has almost no backstory to the conflict between the First Order and the Resistance first of all, you have to read side books to understand what this conflict even is or how it's different from the Galactic Civil War that was resolved in RoTJ. But then on top of not providing backround info on The First Order, Snoke seemingly comes out of nowhere to serve as a crucial antagonist since he's responsible for Kylo's turn to the Dark Side. You can't just write him off like he doesn't count since he's a key character in the actual plot of the entire story! Yet all we know about him (again from side books) is that he comes from the Outer Rim. He's obviously not a Sith, because the Rule of 2 prevents there from being other Sith and Palpatine was known to hunt down his competition in the Dark Side (Clone Wars) yet somehow Snoke escaped his gaze. Why? He's obviously super powerful in the Dark Side and he clearly looks to be old so he was around while Palpatine was alive. What gives? I don't buy this, "Oh they didn't need to explain snoke" crap. He's a key character in the way the story is set up. If you provide no background for him the entire plot unravels on itself, since without Snoke, Kylo Ren would've never turned evil in the first place. Also Snoke provides a very big contradiction to the whole explanation of why Rey has force powers. According to this movie, Rey's powers are meant to be the Force balancing out Kylo's turn to the Dark Side. Well how does that explain Snoke? Who is balancing out Snoke's very obvious Dark Side leanings? Are there other Light Side Force users out there that are supposed to be balancing him out? No, I don't buy any of it. There needs to be some explanation for who the hell Snoke is, either in Ep 9 or at least in a standalone novel or something. You can't just not explain who he is, he's too important to the damn story. | ||
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