EPTDamn that film going to be very predictable it seems
Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi - Page 20
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Damn that film going to be very predictable it seems | ||
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levelping
Singapore759 Posts
On December 19 2017 19:33 Pandemona wrote: Issue is, with Mark being so annoyed and saddened, 100% Disney will force JJ into using him for the third movie (if he isn't being anyway) and we are going to get a force ghost Luke through out the film talking to Rey just like Yoda did to Luke xD Damn that film going to be very predictable it seems I think that this was going to be inevitable anyway - because TLJ was filmed not expecting Carrie Fischer to pass away, and not being able to be in the third movie. If they want some original trilogy presence in the next movie, then it'd have to be Luke. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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levelping
Singapore759 Posts
On December 19 2017 19:42 Pandemona wrote: Hmm i guess that is true. Just with them killing him and her being ermmm inactive shall we say, it means the only presence is Chewy who got left to be a comedy input only in the last film with those stupid horrible looking birds which were just awful CGI when they moved because they were stupid teddy/puppet things xD Poor Chewy, with no Han around he just gets put out to the background even though the guy is hurting and had a big ish role in the last film Well they could go dig up Lando (actually please don't) | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Rey to busy reading the books she will never understand because she never did any training. Then Finn just sat in the ship waiting for Rose to wake up. Poe is thinking of how he can fly his spaceship to save the day. Leia floating around in space. BB8 transforming into Optimus Prime etc etc | ||
TheEmulator
28095 Posts
The entire setup of TFA led to finding Luke who was supposed to help the resistance and/or train Rey, although Luke just ends up being a grumpy old hermit who apparently didn't want to be found despite leaving behind a map... So that entire buildup was just wasted and on top of that Luke doesn't even get a cool fight scene. He dodges one or two attacks at the end before revealing that he is using a Force Projection so we're like "oh cool, I guess he isn't gonna put his foot up Kylo's ass". Also the Force Projection completely nullifies how cool Luke was two minutes earlier when he survived the cannon/gun fire, because I honestly thought he learned some next level shit and was about to start busting some caps after that. But nope, he didn't block that shit with the force he just WASN'T ACTUALLY THERE LOL  edit: Seriously though the Rey + Kylo team-up was one of the coolest scenes in any Star Wars movie (with the exception of Snokes lame death. Let's just pretend Snoke had more plot development and a less lame death and the scene is better). Bad guy teaming up with the good guy? Has that ever happened? A second after it's done Kylo is like "JK guys". They could have taken the series in a direction never seen. I guess with Snoke dead Kylo can't really flip sides or there would be no bad guys left. Literally no development for Snoke btw. Who is he is, where is he from. Why wasn't he a thing in episode 4-6, he looks fucking old so i'm assuming he was alive in that timeline. Maybe he was already a sith, but lower on the totem pole? Did he immediately take over when Vader and the Emperor died? Who knows! I don't. | ||
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levelping
Singapore759 Posts
Snoke though, if you look back at Episode 5/6 people just accepted Palpatine as being the Emperor. There wasn't really a need to know further than that, since Vader was supposed to be the main focus. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
I liked that fight scene but i was conflicted because i was like don't trust him Rey, he is bad, why can't you hate him and cut his arm off so he can be turned into darth vadar or something :3 I have made the thread spoiler "ok" now, no need for spoiler tags, movie has been out long enough and in all fairness, eveyrone who is commenting has watched the film or it seems that way. Page 20 onwards, no need for spoiler tags  | ||
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TheEmulator
28095 Posts
On December 19 2017 20:14 levelping wrote: I agree about the kylo - rey team up - the setting (with the red tones) was also great. It was also pretty great that in the lead up and the aftermath, you aren't really sure where Kylo's loyalties lie. Snoke though, if you look back at Episode 5/6 people just accepted Palpatine as being the Emperor. There wasn't really a need to know further than that, since Vader was supposed to be the main focus. True. Still wish there was literally any development for Snoke though, but oh well he's dead Another thing that I liked about the Rey + Kylo fight was actually seeing the Imperial Royal Guards in action. I remember reading their lore once and the training they go through is interesting. | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
On December 19 2017 19:54 TheEmulator wrote: Now that a couple of days have passed since I saw it I'm actually starting to get a bit more disappointed in the movie. There were some really cool scenes which initially saved it for me (specifically the Rey + Kylo team-up fight) and I'd definitely enjoy watching it again for some of those scenes, but overall there's just too much shit that went horribly wrong. Also while I agree TFA wasn't great, I hate how Rian basically shit on all of the plot developments and setup from that movie. The entire setup of TFA led to finding Luke who was supposed to help the resistance and/or train Rey, although Luke just ends up being a grumpy old hermit who apparently didn't want to be found despite leaving behind a map... So that entire buildup was just wasted and on top of that Luke doesn't even get a cool fight scene. He dodges one or two attacks at the end before revealing that he is using a Force Projection so we're like "oh cool, I guess he isn't gonna put his foot up Kylo's ass". Also the Force Projection completely nullifies how cool Luke was two minutes earlier when he survived the cannon/gun fire, because I honestly thought he learned some next level shit and was about to start busting some caps after that. But nope, he didn't block that shit with the force he just WASN'T ACTUALLY THERE LOL edit: Seriously though the Rey + Kylo team-up was one of the coolest scenes in any Star Wars movie (with the exception of Snokes lame death. Let's just pretend Snoke had more plot development and a less lame death and the scene is better). Bad guy teaming up with the good guy? Has that ever happened? A second after it's done Kylo is like "JK guys". They could have taken the series in a direction never seen. I guess with Snoke dead Kylo can't really flip sides or there would be no bad guys left. Literally no development for Snoke btw. Who is he is, where is he from. Why wasn't he a thing in episode 4-6, he looks fucking old so i'm assuming he was alive in that timeline. Maybe he was already a sith, but lower on the totem pole? Did he immediately take over when Vader and the Emperor died? Who knows! I don't. The Disney cannon (which makes no sense) says that the emperor made plans for his death that would mean the empire destroys itself and hopefully the rebels along with it. The empire stupidly follows this plan destroying some of its own worlds to create "fear" and a final battle takes place over Jakku but the rebels survive instead of being destroyed with the empire. A few imperial survivors then flee to the unknown regions to start again and somewhere after that Snoke takes over and they become the first order. | ||
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TheEmulator
28095 Posts
On December 19 2017 20:20 Zaros wrote: The Disney cannon (which makes no sense) says that the emperor made plans for his death that would mean the empire destroys itself and hopefully the rebels along with it. The empire stupidly follows this plan destroying some of its own worlds to create "fear" and a final battle takes place over Jakku but the rebels survive instead of being destroyed with the empire. A few imperial survivors then flee to the unknown regions to start again and somewhere after that Snoke takes over and they become the first order. Man that sounds so dumb what the hell. | ||
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levelping
Singapore759 Posts
I think Kylo's motivations are different from Vader's in ROTJ. Vader was just redemption (which meant that Luke succeeded in his plan) and saving his son. Kylo on the other hand - the movie first sets it up to suggest that he might be redeemed to save Rey. Then it subverts that expectation by showing that Kylo rather than being redeemed, killed Snoke to basically further his own agenda. Plus this agenda is not evil (because he wants to kill the sith) but rather some sort of scorched earth policy to end the past and then create a new order. Rey actually fails in her plan too. Btw thanks for putting the general spoiler warning. It was so difficult to dump spoiler tags in each post. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Think like others said, an extra 30 minutes in this film could have helped redeem it. Add more Luke Rey story, maybe some more training after the "You looked at the dark side and didn't fight it, what" then nothing kinda happened after, could have maybe added 10-15 minutes there and actually put some training in. | ||
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VHbb
691 Posts
Of course anyone has its own opinion, I'm not trying to argue about specifics, I simply am left a bit astonished by how strongly many people feel (especially after TFA, which in my opinion was not as good as this one) Somehow I wonder: has there been (recently) either a sequel of a successful franchise, or just a *very* hyped movie - show, which did live up to general expectations? | ||
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levelping
Singapore759 Posts
This is fine, since everyone can have their own head cannon or plot, but what I don't understand is how people then bend themselves out of shape trying to say that the movie is objectively terrible or worse than the prequels. Something not meeting your own fan theory is one thing, worse than prequels is something else. | ||
hexhaven
Finland955 Posts
On December 19 2017 20:50 VHbb wrote: Somehow I wonder: has there been (recently) either a sequel of a successful franchise, or just a *very* hyped movie - show, which did live up to general expectations? Mad Max: Fury Road | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10834 Posts
Its not what they did with the characters thats pissing people off, its how they did it. | ||
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
Arguably the best movie in last 3 years at least | ||
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levelping
Singapore759 Posts
On December 19 2017 21:13 Velr wrote: Maybe some people just want a bit more story/sense in a star wars movie than in fast&furios15 or transformers number 9... Its not what they did with the characters thats pissing people off, its how they did it. Yeah see - there were some non-nonsensical bits. We can all accept that the movie has a weird sense of time, plus leia flying and rose kissing finn were just weird. But this doesn't make it transformers level of horrible. Hair brained schemes that don't make much sense aren't exactly new in Star Wars either - go watch ROTJ and behold the truly horrible plan to rescue Han. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On December 19 2017 21:13 Velr wrote: Maybe some people just want a bit more story/sense in a star wars movie than in fast&furios15 or transformers number 9... Its not what they did with the characters thats pissing people off, its how they did it. Yeah plus add in Rey came across as the worst actress in all of human existence it felt like to me at least | ||
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