Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi - Page 23

On December 20 2017 11:33 Excalibur_Z wrote:
While we're on the topic of the Emperor, what were his motivations for ruling the galaxy? Once he became Emperor, was he just permanently in a warlike frame of mind without care for governance? The rise to power is one thing -- anyone can be power-hungry -- but when he finally attained it, what were his plans? As far as I'm aware we never learned them, and the only glimpse into Empire-ruled life for the average person was Lando and Cloud City (which even then was "we're pretty sure you have Rebels here so we're gonna shake you down"). What was life intended to be like once all the Rebels were gone?

I felt a similar lack of compelling motivation for Snoke, but we've already discussed that in this thread. I just want to know if there are higher expectations for Snoke or if we're just supposed to accept him as "The Big Bad" the way we did the Emperor.

On December 20 2017 11:57 LegalLord wrote:
I’m ok with the emperor just being evil for the sake of being evil. Some characters just don’t need a complicated or fleshed out motivation.

On December 20 2017 12:56 Sermokala wrote:

And this works in a world where the Emperor is just a big bad. In the original trilogy Vader is the one committing the genocides and even he is putting over the Emperor as the big bad. The Emperor is never involved in the main plot at any point as anything but a placeholder until the end when he is defeated.

Snoke on the other hand is very much involved in the plot and plays critical roles in making the events happen as they do. Not to mention he doesn't even look that Human. While the Emperor looked like an evil old guy he was still a human evil old guy. Snoke is either an alien or a disfigured human thats also on the power level of making intersetllar force connections between people.

On December 20 2017 13:08 levelping wrote:


Other than corrupt Ben Solo (which the Emperor does the same to Anakin Skywalker) what critical roles does Snoke play in TFA and TLJ?

My recollection is that he is just there as the big bad guy who is in charge, with vague motivations about wanting to destroy the republic and the resistance. I.e. basically the Emperor.

On December 20 2017 07:43 Vindicare605 wrote:


The original trilogy had a lot more, and even if it didn't that's not an equivalent statement. It would be like saying "Once upon a time there was a land far far away" is the same kind of story as "And now 30 years later we find our heroes here!" When you reuse old characters in a familiar setting you set yourself up for needing to explain the time skip.

When you have a time skip of 30 years in a sequel, you owe it to your reader/audience to explain at least some of how you got to where you are since the story already has continuity to it.

If Disney wanted to avoid having that storytelling obligation they could have made it an even further time skip and used 100% original characters (ala Star Trek the Next Generation), but they wanted to make sure the original cast was involved, so now we need an explanation for how everyone got to where they are.

So far, they've just scoffed at that obligation in the movies and what bugs me is that they're scoffing at it while simultaenously just retelling the original trilogy's story. It's such weak writing. They're not fulfilling basic storytelling needs while at the same time they're just rehashing old content. It's lame, and no amount of special effects or one liner jokes can make that NOT lame.

On December 20 2017 16:26 Malinor wrote:
When it comes to Star Wars, I do not have a horse in the race. I am not emotionally attached to the franchise. I have enjoyed some moves of the franchise quite a bit.

I saw it yesterday and coming from this perspective I rate it a 3/10, maybe 4/10. The movie was just horrific in my view. The last 45 minutes were incredibly boring, the comic relief was all over the place and... honestly, this would become a very long post.
During the break I tried to keep my disappointment to myself, to not ruin the movie for anyone else. But my colleagues, all avid Star Wars fans, by this point were totally spent. They all hated it.

It was really an increadibly bad experience for me .

On December 20 2017 18:35 Pandemona wrote:
Germany efficiency!

Echoing what some others have said, the Snoke backstory is one of the main flaws to TFA for sure, but that still isn't the deal breaker for me. Bad acting on Rey's part due to script or writing direction was a major problem, her story as a whole also was a problem for me. She starts the movie begging for help and training, she has power when pushed to the limit like a young gohan, yet she ends the movie in the exact same way....all we learnt is that "most likely" (not even definite) she has no parents of note, she is just someone who is very strong with the force, which seems to be the key point the director wants us to understand.

The director is taking the film away from jedi (good) vs sith (evil) and making it more about person vs person and the jedi / sith debacle is now meaningless. This would have been fine...IF it was the first movie in the trilogy! You can't make a second movie, of a trilogy completely different to the first lore wise because you want too... That is why this film comes across even worst than it should, if this was the first movie and Rey halfway through it meets Luke and then the same ending happened you would have gone, wow that was bold wonder what happens in the next two films now that the Jedi is gone and what not. But to do that in episode 2 of 3 after 1 had told the exact same story as the previous 6 films is a bit stupid to say the least. Hell if that was episode 3 that would make more sense right, what a good ending to the "next trilogy" if luke and the jedi order are gone for good, the Sith is no more it is just person vs person who discover the force and "self" teach themselves for an old fashioned good vs evil movie and you don't need to be a skywalker to be powerful and don't need some master to show you the ways.