EPTIt'd be ridiculous if he could train on his own and be close to Vegeta and Goku who trained with Whis. Even Freeza being this strong in such a short period of time is a stretch.
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It'd be ridiculous if he could train on his own and be close to Vegeta and Goku who trained with Whis. Even Freeza being this strong in such a short period of time is a stretch. | ||
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LegalLord
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That can be forgiven because it's goddamn awesome. I just hope they don't undermine the saga again with questionable writing choices. | ||
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On June 27 2017 04:46 LegalLord wrote: Freeza being so powerful is absolutely, definitely a BS mechanic, no doubt about it. That can be forgiven because it's goddamn awesome. I just hope they don't undermine the saga again with questionable writing choices. Well, they kept talking about how talented he was. The guy is extremely talented. Though I agree that the time period was short, it's not like it's that far out when you consider all the other stuff that was introduced since. | ||
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BigFan
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On June 27 2017 06:20 LegalLord wrote: From weaker than Super Saiyan to stronger than Super Saiyan Blue from a single round of brutal training... kind of a stretch for sure. still less of a stretch than saying that 17 can go toe to toe with SSB, that is complete bs. I can at least partially buy the fact that freiza is so talented and much like Goku with his SSJ transformation, found a new power that can help with his revenge. Think of it like when Vegeta kept trained at 450G for so long and eventually gave up his pursuit of greater power, only to ascend right then and there. In other words, do I think it's odd? Yes, sure, 6 months is short however, there's much worse power increase issues going on. | ||
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Mohdoo
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On June 27 2017 06:20 LegalLord wrote: From weaker than Super Saiyan to stronger than Super Saiyan Blue from a single round of brutal training... kind of a stretch for sure. If zero training gets him to almost equal to ssj, is it really that far a stretch? | ||
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LegalLord
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On June 27 2017 06:45 Mohdoo wrote: If zero training gets him to almost equal to ssj, is it really that far a stretch? Yes. That gap in power is vast. It cannot so easily be bridged. It's awesome though so I don't really care. | ||
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Slaughter
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Impossible to say tho because he just had a super brief sparing session and that's all we know. | ||
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BigFan
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On June 27 2017 09:53 Slaughter wrote: I don't mind 17 getting a boost. 10 years is a long time and the androids have altered biology. They already started super strong relative to others. Their base forms rock stomped base ssj....that is where they started from. 10 years I would say def beyond cell saga power and into Buu saga levels. Impossible to say tho because he just had a super brief sparing session and that's all we know. thing is though, there's no training going on. 17 has been fending off poachers afaik, that's it. Even if we say that his level is in the Buu saga levels, that's still not touching mystic gohan level and a stretch to get up to SSJ3 too. The Saiyans put a shiton of work to get to their level and Goku/Vegeta in particular were training everyday hardcore to get to SSB. No way a guy who from what we're told, was getting married and protecting some animals has trained anywhere close to even get to SSJ3 levels so having that brief bout with SSB which is way above SSJ3 was a bit much (its mostly fillers for hype and not seem silly). | ||
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Mohdoo
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On June 27 2017 10:00 BigFan wrote: thing is though, there's no training going on. 17 has been fending off poachers afaik, that's it. Even if we say that his level is in the Buu saga levels, that's still not touching mystic gohan level and a stretch to get up to SSJ3 too. The Saiyans put a shiton of work to get to their level and Goku/Vegeta in particular were training everyday hardcore to get to SSB. No way a guy who from what we're told, was getting married and protecting some animals has trained anywhere close to even get to SSJ3 levels so having that brief bout with SSB which is way above SSJ3 was a bit much (its mostly fillers for hype and not seem silly). I mean, it all comes down to the relevance and legitimacy of solo training. Piccolo has undergone enormous power growth training by himself. Our images of Jiren training are just him meditating. We know 17 hasn't been fighting Buu and the likes, but Freeza proves the biological component of strength and potential. 17 is shown to have a much lower quality physical form than Freeza in terms of talent or what have you. If Freeza trained for 10 years, he'd become a single point of energy or some shit lmao. So if Freeza has been shown to train even quicker than 17, and 17 is substantially biologically altered, the idea of 17 being as strong as Freeza is relatively easy to swallow. It still makes Freeza incomparably more talented. | ||
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Also I can totally see a guy who was already above SSJ in power level surpassing SSJ3 in terms of power with 10 years of training. | ||
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On June 27 2017 10:00 BigFan wrote: thing is though, there's no training going on. 17 has been fending off poachers afaik, that's it. Even if we say that his level is in the Buu saga levels, that's still not touching mystic gohan level and a stretch to get up to SSJ3 too. The Saiyans put a shiton of work to get to their level and Goku/Vegeta in particular were training everyday hardcore to get to SSB. No way a guy who from what we're told, was getting married and protecting some animals has trained anywhere close to even get to SSJ3 levels so having that brief bout with SSB which is way above SSJ3 was a bit much (its mostly fillers for hype and not seem silly). Also it hasnt been that long since buu saga, which means if 17s training is linear than he would have been slightly weaker than he is atm (aka ssjblue lvl or at least able to outclass the entire z squad) and able to oblierate super buu or kid buu without breaking a sweat. I think even if goku can adjust his ssblue power lvl showing that 17 and everyone vs a ssjblue goku was a bad idea it makes things more complication than it needs to be . As for freiza i can accept the 6 months because of what they did with him but they should have at least brought hum back to life the year after the buu saga (after when goku used the dragon balls) and had him train from then till now. Its like tiny details which tbh i think theyre over looking for the sake of emphaising a reality that replys on exaggeration. Between freizas first restruction into that mech form which was meant to be stronger, he was owned a ssj trunk. Its hard to imagine he wouldnt have trained in that form while searching for goku... Please no cell thers a billion of new characters atm (maybe not sure much after the tourny) theyre doing a good job of new interesting chracters that they dont need to force a nonsense power up on tier2 characters. Seriously their time is over and tbh most of u7s squad shoud be as relevant as yamcha On June 27 2017 11:43 Slaughter wrote: Yea I don't get why 17 and 18 seem like almost strangers and he just fucks off to an island. Doesn't even go see 18 for the birth of her daughter lol. Just lazy really, they suddenly said "hey wouldn't it be cool if we got both androids for this?" but didn't put in the effort to really work him back into the story. Also I can totally see a guy who was already above SSJ in power level surpassing SSJ3 in terms of power with 10 years of training. Thing is tho dr.gero made them using information gathered from their previous fights and adjusted to that based on what he could see he then gave the androids a semi projection of how gokus power lvl would rise and thus from that he powered up the androids to be stronger than his goku projection they may be part biological but there has to be a set strength of parts that gero put in for goku. They had no idea about instant transmission so they dont have that nor do i think they can learn it and they had no idea bout ssj so its a testament to gero at least having the oversight to power up the androids that much. So when toriyama comes iut and says they can train obviously in prep of this arc i think hes being stupid to even think that the androids can reach a lvl of gods when gero fucken died to a 6 year old...theres a limit to the android parts they shouldnt be able to reach what they are now...especially if the end goal was to be absorbed into cell | ||
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BigFan
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On June 27 2017 10:21 Mohdoo wrote: I mean, it all comes down to the relevance and legitimacy of solo training. Piccolo has undergone enormous power growth training by himself. Our images of Jiren training are just him meditating. We know 17 hasn't been fighting Buu and the likes, but Freeza proves the biological component of strength and potential. 17 is shown to have a much lower quality physical form than Freeza in terms of talent or what have you. If Freeza trained for 10 years, he'd become a single point of energy or some shit lmao. So if Freeza has been shown to train even quicker than 17, and 17 is substantially biologically altered, the idea of 17 being as strong as Freeza is relatively easy to swallow. It still makes Freeza incomparably more talented. I think I got a bit lost. You're saying Freeza is more talented than 17 but we have also been shown that androids have an inherent advantage due to the alteration therefore, even though 17 would still be below Freeza's level, it's not a stretch for him to reach a close level with a much longer training session? | ||
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