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This is a thread that is dedicated to discussing Dragon Ball Super. Do not read this thread if you are not currently caught up as there are spoilers in here.

If a chapter or an episode has already been officially released, then it is not necessary to post using spoilers.

If you have knowledge on a chapter that has been released or a chapter/episode that has not been officially released yet, do NOT post it in this thread without spoilers. Ignoring this public note will result in a mod action.
TMG26
Profile Joined July 2012
Portugal2017 Posts
June 27 2017 19:38 GMT
#1581
In the manga, the observers did claim Vegito!surpassed Beerus
Supporter of the situational Blink Dagger on Storm.
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9025 Posts
June 27 2017 19:56 GMT
#1582
On June 28 2017 02:03 Mohdoo wrote:
I am not convinced we've seen beerus' full power yet. Him blowing away that thing Goku struggled with makes me think Akira toriyama decided to keep him untouchable to Goku for now.

Goku was also in his base form. Of course he was going to struggle with it. We've talked about this before. And Beerus is seemingly always at full strength. He doesn't do crazy screams that take 3-4 episodes to power up. He just powers up.
And Vegito. Let's not talk about him please.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15736 Posts
June 27 2017 20:17 GMT
#1583
On June 28 2017 04:38 TMG26 wrote:
In the manga, the observers did claim Vegito!surpassed Beerus

Observers? I need to just read all the DBS manga
MyLovelyLurker
Profile Joined April 2007
France756 Posts
June 27 2017 21:00 GMT
#1584
A poll before the Tournament of Power starts...

Poll: So, who do you see as last man standing for U7 ?

Goku (5)
 
38%

Gohan (4)
 
31%

Vegeta (1)
 
8%

Freeza (0)
 
0%

17 (0)
 
0%

18 (0)
 
0%

Piccolo (0)
 
0%

Roshi (2)
 
15%

Krillin (1)
 
8%

Tien (0)
 
0%

13 total votes

Your vote: So, who do you see as last man standing for U7 ?

(Vote): Goku
(Vote): Gohan
(Vote): Vegeta
(Vote): Freeza
(Vote): 17
(Vote): 18
(Vote): Piccolo
(Vote): Roshi
(Vote): Krillin
(Vote): Tien




"I just say, it doesn't matter win or lose, I just love Starcraft 2, I love this game, I love this stage, just play like in practice" - TIME/Oliveira
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
June 27 2017 21:03 GMT
#1585
Goku no contest lol
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
June 27 2017 21:27 GMT
#1586
It's always Goku no matter what.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9025 Posts
June 27 2017 22:15 GMT
#1587
My heart says Gohan. My head says Goku.
FaCE_1
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Canada6183 Posts
June 27 2017 22:23 GMT
#1588
On June 28 2017 06:27 LegalLord wrote:
It's always Goku no matter what.

It was Gohan vs Cell O_o
n_n
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
June 27 2017 22:24 GMT
#1589
On June 28 2017 07:23 FaCE_1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2017 06:27 LegalLord wrote:
It's always Goku no matter what.

It was Gohan vs Cell O_o

Only exception to the rule.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
June 27 2017 22:32 GMT
#1590
On June 28 2017 07:24 BigFan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2017 07:23 FaCE_1 wrote:
On June 28 2017 06:27 LegalLord wrote:
It's always Goku no matter what.

It was Gohan vs Cell O_o

Only exception to the rule.

The exception proved that there can be no violations of the rule in the future, or else.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
June 27 2017 22:45 GMT
#1591
On June 28 2017 07:32 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2017 07:24 BigFan wrote:
On June 28 2017 07:23 FaCE_1 wrote:
On June 28 2017 06:27 LegalLord wrote:
It's always Goku no matter what.

It was Gohan vs Cell O_o

Only exception to the rule.

The exception proved that there can be no violations of the rule in the future, or else.

pretty much. A bit sad really, would've loved for Gohan to take center stage after the Cell arc.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15736 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-27 23:17:18
June 27 2017 23:15 GMT
#1592
I don't think we can rely on classic DBZ plot archetypes anymore. Beerus ended up being way more powerful, Freeza ended up blowing up Earth, Zen-oh had to be the one to beat Zamasu...None of these are Goku saving the day. Goku has continued to be a leader, but ultimately, things are not going as planned or would be predicted based on previous DBZ stuff.

DBS character development focuses a lot on letting characters do things they couldn't or didn't before. Krillin overcoming fears, Goku presumably not accidentally throwing fights, Gohan finally getting serious and feeling a thirst to overcome Goku. Gohan never had that thirst before. He was always basically just doing what Piccolo, Goku or Chichi wanted him to. His entire existence was just his parent figures designing him. Now that he has a family and seems to grasp what it means for his daughter to be erased, Gohan is mad at himself for getting soft and seeks to return to strength and position. To me, this feels like Gohan finally becoming his true Saiyan self, rather than only him being a slave to his loyalty to his family. But both are contributors. Gohan specifically seeks to overthrow Goku as #1, not just protect the people he loves.

To me, this entertains the idea of Gohan having a break out moment where he finds himself as a Saiyan through the desperate situation that is the ToP.
Shock710
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia6097 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-28 00:03:32
June 28 2017 00:03 GMT
#1593
Im convinced the next arc has to do with the fake zenoh if they dont touch it ill go insane
dAPhREAk gives Shock a * | [23:55] <Shock710> that was out of context -_- [16:26] <@motbob> Good question, Shock!
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15736 Posts
June 28 2017 00:25 GMT
#1594
fake..?
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9025 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-28 01:28:50
June 28 2017 01:28 GMT
#1595
He meant Future Zen-Chan
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-28 02:56:20
June 28 2017 02:39 GMT
#1596
On June 28 2017 08:15 Mohdoo wrote:
I don't think we can rely on classic DBZ plot archetypes anymore. Beerus ended up being way more powerful, Freeza ended up blowing up Earth, Zen-oh had to be the one to beat Zamasu...None of these are Goku saving the day. Goku has continued to be a leader, but ultimately, things are not going as planned or would be predicted based on previous DBZ stuff.

DBS character development focuses a lot on letting characters do things they couldn't or didn't before. Krillin overcoming fears, Goku presumably not accidentally throwing fights, Gohan finally getting serious and feeling a thirst to overcome Goku. Gohan never had that thirst before. He was always basically just doing what Piccolo, Goku or Chichi wanted him to. His entire existence was just his parent figures designing him. Now that he has a family and seems to grasp what it means for his daughter to be erased, Gohan is mad at himself for getting soft and seeks to return to strength and position. To me, this feels like Gohan finally becoming his true Saiyan self, rather than only him being a slave to his loyalty to his family. But both are contributors. Gohan specifically seeks to overthrow Goku as #1, not just protect the people he loves.

To me, this entertains the idea of Gohan having a break out moment where he finds himself as a Saiyan through the desperate situation that is the ToP.

100% agree with this


On June 28 2017 09:03 Shock710 wrote:
Im convinced the next arc has to do with the fake zenoh if they dont touch it ill go insane


If anything I think it'll have something to do with the Grand Priest as well.
Moderatorlickypiddy
[Phantom]
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Mexico2170 Posts
June 28 2017 06:58 GMT
#1597
Do we know for sure there will be a next arch? Geniunely asking.

I'm 100% sure universe will be erased, but with the wish they get from the super dragon balls at the end they'll just wish them back. Gohan was suppoused to replace Goku as the protagonist in DBZ but Toriyama changed his mind in the end, maybe he'll end up being great?

Also lets remember super takes place before the ending of DBZ, so maybe they will jump to that and have something to do with Uub? Maybe Toriyama will make his own version of GT haha.
WriterTeamLiquid Staff writer since 2014 @Mortal_Phantom
TMG26
Profile Joined July 2012
Portugal2017 Posts
June 28 2017 09:52 GMT
#1598
What I really hated about GT was that every arc and fight was about Goku. And Super a bit like that, while not at an extreme level like GT, we did get Trunks in the spotlight, but everything still seems to revolve around Goku, not at GT levels tough.

In Z we had arcs like Cell, where Goku was absent the whole arc, and only appear at the end, and didn't even defeat the final boss. In the Sayan invasion arc, we got a lot from the struggle vs Nappa, including Piccolo sacrifice. And after Goku was out from using Kaioken4 the spotlight went again to the others, that ended up defeating Vegeta. In Freeza we got a lot as well besides Goku. The whole 3 way scramble for the Dragonballs before Gyniu force arrived was great, and the Freeza battle before Goku was healed was great as well. And Buu was pretty varied as well.
Supporter of the situational Blink Dagger on Storm.
Shock710
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia6097 Posts
June 28 2017 10:10 GMT
#1599
On June 28 2017 15:58 [Phantom] wrote:
Do we know for sure there will be a next arch? Geniunely asking.

I'm 100% sure universe will be erased, but with the wish they get from the super dragon balls at the end they'll just wish them back. Gohan was suppoused to replace Goku as the protagonist in DBZ but Toriyama changed his mind in the end, maybe he'll end up being great?

Also lets remember super takes place before the ending of DBZ, so maybe they will jump to that and have something to do with Uub? Maybe Toriyama will make his own version of GT haha.

I thought toriyama changed not because he wanted to but because fans love goku
dAPhREAk gives Shock a * | [23:55] <Shock710> that was out of context -_- [16:26] <@motbob> Good question, Shock!
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15736 Posts
June 28 2017 13:47 GMT
#1600
On June 28 2017 15:58 [Phantom] wrote:
Do we know for sure there will be a next arch? Geniunely asking.

I'm 100% sure universe will be erased, but with the wish they get from the super dragon balls at the end they'll just wish them back. Gohan was suppoused to replace Goku as the protagonist in DBZ but Toriyama changed his mind in the end, maybe he'll end up being great?

Also lets remember super takes place before the ending of DBZ, so maybe they will jump to that and have something to do with Uub? Maybe Toriyama will make his own version of GT haha.


I think we're well past the point of DBS ending with the ending of DBZ. It just won't happen at this point IMO. And it shouldn't. DBS has taken its own shape and it is a good shape. There is no reason to accommodate the DBZ ending.
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