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This is a thread that is dedicated to discussing Dragon Ball Super. Do not read this thread if you are not currently caught up as there are spoilers in here.

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blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
June 29 2017 14:25 GMT
#1621
So Vegeta trained twice in the cell saga. Once when he got his ascended form and then after Goku got out of the chamber. He trained with Goku in the chamber for 3 years right before the Universe 6 tournament. The construct that he trained with Goku in by Whis was in the Freeza Arc.

It was also stated by Dende and earlier in Super that the Time Chamber no longer has those limits that you can only use it twice in your life time.
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
June 29 2017 14:46 GMT
#1622
It was also stated by Dende and earlier in Super that the Time Chamber no longer has those limits that you can only use it twice in your life time.


Which was a mistake to write it like that, the time chamber is clearly op.
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Thezzy
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands2117 Posts
June 29 2017 15:12 GMT
#1623
The main issue with having no limitation on it is that you can start wondering 'Why didn't they just use the Hyperbolic Time Chamber?' anytime when the heroes aren't strong enough or don't have time to deal with the current crisis.
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15725 Posts
June 29 2017 16:17 GMT
#1624
On June 30 2017 00:12 Thezzy wrote:
The main issue with having no limitation on it is that you can start wondering 'Why didn't they just use the Hyperbolic Time Chamber?' anytime when the heroes aren't strong enough or don't have time to deal with the current crisis.


At this point, there is no reason for Goku and Vegeta to be doing anything besides train in the time chamber with Whis.

And for Zamasu, there is no reason for them to have trained less than like 10 years. Why not just train until insanity and then blow up Zamasu's entire solar system lol.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
June 29 2017 16:28 GMT
#1625
For Zamasu, they had half a day worth of stall time to figure out everything they needed to beat him. Vegeta trained for that time, Goku learned to Mafuba.
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
June 29 2017 17:55 GMT
#1626
Zamasu was in another universe, so can't they technically just train for as long as they want, since they'll just pop in conveniently before his attack?
Also how old are they by now? At the end of DBZ they were in their early 40s (based on Gohan being in postgrad or something like that), even with a "long juvenile period" for Sayans as Vegeta put it, aren't they well above 50 between the timeskips and visits to the Time Chamber?
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55560 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-29 18:05:24
June 29 2017 18:04 GMT
#1627
On June 30 2017 02:55 Alaric wrote:
Zamasu was in another universe, so can't they technically just train for as long as they want, since they'll just pop in conveniently before his attack?

No, time in Trunks' timeline proceeds as normal. To go back to his specific timeline, they didn't have as much time as they wanted before he died. I'm not sure if this was explained in the anime or only the manga though.
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Tchado
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Jordan1831 Posts
June 29 2017 19:20 GMT
#1628
Nice ! there is a DBS thread !
MoonfireSpam
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1153 Posts
June 29 2017 19:55 GMT
#1629
I just hope they do a good job with Freeza (Freiza?) and make it more interesting that Ressurection of the Ressurection of the Ressurection of F. It's cool that they have built him up and made him seemingly equal to Goku and I hope he stays the same badass cold (pun intended) arsehole he always has been and they can build a nice subplot with him.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
June 29 2017 20:00 GMT
#1630
On June 30 2017 00:12 Thezzy wrote:
The main issue with having no limitation on it is that you can start wondering 'Why didn't they just use the Hyperbolic Time Chamber?' anytime when the heroes aren't strong enough or don't have time to deal with the current crisis.


Well there is one big flaw (although I doubt this will ever be touched on) but they are aging faster. Vegeta has done 7 time chamber trips I believe, most being the full year (or 3 when with Goku). So if they did it for 20 days on Earth, their 20 years older.

I know it won't ever be noticed or talked about, but it would be the reason not to go in there much anymore. Spending 7 years in that room is 1/8th of your life (and you are getting older!) in a week.
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
June 29 2017 20:06 GMT
#1631
I think they said that Saiyans remain in their fighting prime for 80 years or so?
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ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9007 Posts
June 29 2017 22:09 GMT
#1632
That's false. If that was the case, then Gohan aged a year and entered university at a young age (never was stated at what age he entered). I don't think you actually age in the time chamber. I think it's a suspended space/time construct.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
June 29 2017 22:16 GMT
#1633
Gohan isn't a full-blooded Saiyan. And Trunks definitely aged a bit.
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ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9007 Posts
June 29 2017 22:28 GMT
#1634
The hair was the only noticeable difference. Other than that, the clothes and armor still fit. Everything was the same except the hair. If they are aging years in exchange for days, that's a major issue for the rest of Super. Roshi looking Goku and Vegeta? Who takes the reins?
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
June 29 2017 22:33 GMT
#1635
On June 30 2017 05:06 LegalLord wrote:
I think they said that Saiyans remain in their fighting prime for 80 years or so?


That's true, but that's taking almost 1/8th of their prime fighting age out by going in the chamber.

Also Zero, Gohan aged a bit and Trunks definitely did (Bulma mentions that Trunks grew a few inches). I mean Super has been very awful with aging, just look at how much goten/trunks have grown (not at all!). Their like 13 or something and are still treated like their 7.
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ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9007 Posts
June 29 2017 22:42 GMT
#1636
They can age, but not at the normal rate that they would have on the outside. Goku spent a month in there, in DB right? You do the math.
Shock710
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia6097 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-30 02:52:14
June 30 2017 02:48 GMT
#1637
On June 30 2017 07:09 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
That's false. If that was the case, then Gohan aged a year and entered university at a young age (never was stated at what age he entered). I don't think you actually age in the time chamber. I think it's a suspended space/time construct.

You age in the time chamber trunks hair got longer and he grew taller, goku and vegeta beinb full blooded sayians dont have their hair grow at all (rofl)
Once sayians reach their prime they dont age physically making them the ultimate warrior race. Gohan hitting 25-28 is probably still too early to see if he ages more than his dad but i assume so because their halfbloods and the hair thing happened to trunks


Also the trunks future universe is not their "future" so to speak its just a paraell universe that is a ahead in time they move together so if they wait in the for 10days in the future they cant jump back to when they first fought zamus but instead jump to the future +10days.
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blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
June 30 2017 03:04 GMT
#1638
On June 30 2017 07:42 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
They can age, but not at the normal rate that they would have on the outside. Goku spent a month in there, in DB right? You do the math.


He was in the time chamber for a month time chamber time, not a month Earth time. He even says to Gohan "I couldn't even last a whole day in here when I was a kid."
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ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9007 Posts
June 30 2017 03:10 GMT
#1639
On June 30 2017 12:04 blade55555 wrote:
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On June 30 2017 07:42 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
They can age, but not at the normal rate that they would have on the outside. Goku spent a month in there, in DB right? You do the math.


He was in the time chamber for a month time chamber time, not a month Earth time. He even says to Gohan "I couldn't even last a whole day in here when I was a kid."

That makes sense. The quote on the last page made it seem as if he had been in there for an entire month RT. A month chamber time makes sense.

I don't know, the whole ageing thing is really iffy to me still. I can't imagine that you age at the same rate in there, even though time is slowed down significantly. They may have aged 1 year inside the chamber, but that's really not a lot of time if you think about it. I think we're making a bigger deal about it (me more so than others).
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
June 30 2017 04:13 GMT
#1640
Gotta agree with the others here. They definitely aged a year in there and Goku only did a month as a kid in the chamber. He never went for the full year, couldn't last. The time chamber is an interesting mechanism. I always wonder why they don't just keep training in there, more specifically Vegeta who's hellbent on surpassing Goku and showing him who's superior.
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