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Nakajin
Canada8991 Posts
On February 09 2018 23:17 Mohdoo wrote: I think this line of inquiry would make Akira Toriyama start sweating. Bubbles had a halo after cell exploded, does that mean he was alive before? And then where did he come from, did he run snake way, how did he arrived on King Kai planet without dying himself? Is Bubbles a god? + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/d0l4ou3.png) | ||
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TMG26
Portugal2017 Posts
But whatever. Toryama always!said!that what matered to him was having a interesthing plot and a reason to read the next week chapter. The inconsistency stuff was usual his editor and assintants reminding him. He obvisously didn't care much. And I say this while I still hold DB as my favorite manga, and I still think of DB as the best weekly serialised shounen manga. Only One Piece comes close, but I think that only after It finishes I would say if it was indeed better. And besides It's not like Oda didn't learn from Toryama. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
I wish we had gotten more Goku/Vegeta scenes vs Jiren like today's episode. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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ZerOCoolSC2
9077 Posts
This was an amazing episode. | ||
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Suchbalancemuchwow
76 Posts
Though, I agree on the Frieza moment. He should've not been used yet. Seems like next episode is the typical Vegeta get's smacked around episode before it's GOKU-time. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On February 11 2018 11:30 LegalLord wrote: Shitty animation, shitty Freeza moment (should have just not used him or let him drop out), notably non-viable power scaling, a horribly anticlimactic death even by DBZ standards, and much more. No, holy fuck this was a bad one. You thought the animation was shitty? :o, was really good imo, better than last episodes for sure. I do think the Freeza moment was really random. Glad I don't have your standards, specially when it comes to Super  | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On February 11 2018 12:08 blade55555 wrote: You thought the animation was shitty? :o, was really good imo, better than last episodes for sure. I do think the Freeza moment was really random. Glad I don't have your standards, specially when it comes to Super The stick figure Vegetas were all pretty terrible. I mean I usually like DBS episodes, but this one was an anomalously bad one. Not quite as disappointed as I was with the end of Goku Black but still bad in a close-to-end episode. | ||
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Dark_Chill
Canada3353 Posts
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Shock710
Australia6097 Posts
All life sacrifices for the sake of winning the dragon balls are completely worth it, afterall their wish is probably to bring back everyone killed by this tournament so vegeta can get back u6 and whoever they sac-ed Basically why did 17 have to self destruct, why are they even trying to fight jiren instead of evading his attacks and wait for him to open up/timer to run up. They just go all out on him and lose all their energy. If anything shouldnt dodging and saving energy be the primary goal atm, even at the end of this ep 17 sac himself so goku and vegeta could save some energy why isnt this the goal in the first place after all vegeta last ep just used up a ton of energy (i thought they said it was all his energy but w/e) Also jiren's backstory still doesnt make sense, i think we might get more of it later on because it doesnt explain shit atm, how is he so strong? sure a desire to want to be strong is good motivation but...is it just his race? Did they have super potential but were just content on being peaceful? Is jiren special? Did belmod give him powers after seeing his desire for strength? What is his wish? To be stronger, afterall there are more universes that could potentailly have people that are stronger than him, or is it to wish back his fallen comrades but that doesnt give him strength whats to stop someone stronger coming along and killing them again? That cant be all the backstory of jiren, its way too generic and retarded for someone who is pretty much stronger than gods | ||
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Cricketer12
United States14003 Posts
vegeta eliminated next episode being spoiled by the preview AND + Show Spoiler + apparently UI confirmed in 129 so vegeta elimination will trigger it | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8991 Posts
That moment Frieza made me burst into laughter, it looked so stupid. But more important that Jirren backstory was insane, outside of the classic dragon ball move of "there's three minutes left to decide my existence, let me tell you about this guy childhood", the backstory in itself was so disapointing, so he's just a guy who's parents were killed? You can't build caracter developement with exposition, it's not a thing, we came from knowing nothing about the guy to apparently knowing his whole life goal in like a minute and a half. But my principal problem is with Jirren himself, he seems weaker and weaker every episode, ever since that Hit fight it's been all downhill for him. Noone was able to lay a fingher on him and now he dosen't even seems to be trying to dodge anything, and apparently his weakness is "lets hit him when he isn't blocking". The 17 part was alright tho, probably the best caracter of the tournament for me, in big part because he was the only one that the writer made their own (18 a bit to I guess), they took the liberty of making him evolve. | ||
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[Phantom]
Mexico2170 Posts
On February 11 2018 13:07 Shock710 wrote: Wait why not just shield goku and vegeta and let the blast kill him? Then jiren gets disqualified and u7 wins. Or are they saying without the energy from the self-destruct it wouldnt be able to neutralise jirens attack? In that case let the energy just hit goku and vegeta and he runs himself. If the energy isnt strong enough to kill goku or vegeta then shouldnt the shield have been enough i mean it even stayed after he blew himself up (plus theres always freeza) and even in the end vegeta and goku didnt fly off the arena they just fell down to a lower section (im totally lost on the arena structure it seems every which way there is a platform) All life sacrifices for the sake of winning the dragon balls are completely worth it, afterall their wish is probably to bring back everyone killed by this tournament so vegeta can get back u6 and whoever they sac-ed Basically why did 17 have to self destruct, why are they even trying to fight jiren instead of evading his attacks and wait for him to open up/timer to run up. They just go all out on him and lose all their energy. If anything shouldnt dodging and saving energy be the primary goal atm, even at the end of this ep 17 sac himself so goku and vegeta could save some energy why isnt this the goal in the first place after all vegeta last ep just used up a ton of energy (i thought they said it was all his energy but w/e) Also jiren's backstory still doesnt make sense, i think we might get more of it later on because it doesnt explain shit atm, how is he so strong? sure a desire to want to be strong is good motivation but...is it just his race? Did they have super potential but were just content on being peaceful? Is jiren special? Did belmod give him powers after seeing his desire for strength? What is his wish? To be stronger, afterall there are more universes that could potentailly have people that are stronger than him, or is it to wish back his fallen comrades but that doesnt give him strength whats to stop someone stronger coming along and killing them again? That cant be all the backstory of jiren, its way too generic and retarded for someone who is pretty much stronger than gods Eh I think a lot of people, trying to look for more end up missing the obvious. 17 used self destruct to stop Jirens atack, I think even Roshi or the old Kai says this. He shielded and gave Vegeta and Goku energy so they could continue as he knows they are the strongest fighters, and even if he is the smartest only they can beat Jiren. He did not let the blast kill him, or anyone else because it wouldn't have. Jiren is not dumb to make himself be eliminated. The only thing that atack would have done was get them out of the stage. And they are not dodgin Jiren and making time because that would be lame for an anime abbout fighting. Sure, it's the smart thing to do, but that simply can't happen. Jiren's backstory is pretty simple, and I do think and hope we get sightly more of it, however I don't understand why people are dissapointed in what we have so far. I think it's nice all things considered. A guy killed his family, then hefaced it and got pwned. That's basically Vegeta's story and I don't see anyone complaining. With a couple of differences: Joren did care about his family, unlike Vegeta. Jiren is in his heart a good hearted boy, so he felt betrayed when people didn't want to avenge his master or him. So he trained to get power (like goku, and vegeta, and everyone in the series) and to protect everyone. He saw that with power people would follow him. I think that's very interesting parallel to money. When you don't have money you dont have any friends, when you do everyone wants to be your friend. Money isn't important in the dragon ball world, but power is, so it works that way. Jiren is obsessed with power to fill the boid his past let him and he keeps chasing yesterday. His wish is either to ressurrect his family, or become the strongest being in existence. I think that's a good backstory for these kind of series. Of course there are a couple more details that I'd love to know, like who was this villian and why isnt he in the tournament of power? Did Jiren kill him? Other universe? GoD? EDIT: I agree that frieza was totally unnecessary. He's shown up just to get beaten in 10 seconds the last 3 episodes? | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
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RvB
Netherlands6326 Posts
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NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
On February 11 2018 12:01 Suchbalancemuchwow wrote: The death was pretty silly. Don't know why that happened given how many contestants got hit with OVERKILL moves and survived. The rest was pretty enjoyable imo. Jiren's just fucking around after all so power scaling doesn't matter. Though, I agree on the Frieza moment. He should've not been used yet. Seems like next episode is the typical Vegeta get's smacked around episode before it's GOKU-time. He blew himself up to negate the attack | ||
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Shock710
Australia6097 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States24507 Posts
It seems they unlocked a potential weakness in Jiren. They can fluster him with the right trash talk and he can be beaten (by mystery fighter). Freeza felt like fan service to his saga when he attacks goku with no hope of beating him. All-in-all I liked the episode | ||
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MyLovelyLurker
France756 Posts
Gripe in this episode for me is the spoiler in the preview. We knew that was coming anyway, but there was still some hope and anticipation. | ||
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