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[Phantom]
Mexico2170 Posts
Roshi was indeed fan service, but they explain it during the tournament: He trained a lot for it and instead of fighting strong fighters he was there to do away with tricky ones, basically Mafuuba'ing everyone he could (and using hypnosis and stuff). They wanted to sell it as "the tournament is more than simply about who is stronger" which I think they didn't do very well, but that was the idea. About Vegeta getting trhough destruction energy, In my head it's because even though it was desctruction energy, Toppo had to hold back to not erase someone. We see how with him holding back he could erase rocks and stuff, but not frieza, so that gives us a hint that Ki has some way to make you more resistant to hakai. Obviously not a full power Hakai like Bills did to Zamasu. We saw Vegeta "destroying" Ki blast with just his ki, similar to Jiren blocking ki blast with his Ki in the special, so there's a precedent. Not only that but he is using God Ki, so probably that's even better. Finally this is my assumption but remember how Frieza made a hakai go to waste by throwing a rock? Hakai destroy's anything it touches, but it also destroys itself in the process. What if Vegeta, by concentrating his Ki on his hand, made the hakai be destroyed by getting in touch with his Ki, and this made it so the hakai never touched his arm, so he just outputted more ki and punched him in the face? | ||
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NewSunshine
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[Phantom]
Mexico2170 Posts
Although we might be thinking too much about it. | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On February 06 2018 08:02 [Phantom] wrote: I think that's because when they use the destruction energy to sorround themselves they are using it as the aura like the ones SSJ have, where it is constantly outputting ki around them. That way even though the hakai energy is destroyed when touched, it is rapidly replenished, whereas in the big Hakai Balls it's a conscious decition to output the ki in your hands and create a big ball which you aren't constantly replacing, unless it's like a KameHameHa. Although we might be thinking too much about it. Well that's what I'm always trying to be aware of. The writing they've set up for Super, and their commitment to it, is pretty intermittent. Half the time I can't tell if some weird moment was a bit of subtlety that should be read into, or if the storyboard for that episode just turns out to be unreliable. More often than not in this arc it's been the latter. I think in general they're consistent in the idea that destruction energy isn't strictly better than any other ki - or god ki. I tend to be of the mind that it simply has different properties, while also being very strong. Even then, the rock moment seems to just be an unreliable one. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On February 06 2018 04:36 LegalLord wrote: I just assume Roshi decided to train at some point. He’s clearly stronger than he was then. It did state in the recruitment episode that Roshi was training in secret (Goku thinks it when fighting Roshi when he became "possessed"). | ||
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Mohdoo
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NewSunshine
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Mohdoo
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On February 06 2018 14:22 NewSunshine wrote: He's about 86 years older than he was at the end of the Buu saga lol He drank that shit that prevents him from ever aging, so may as well just train in the time chamber. Infinite time chamber time + infinite natural life = GG. | ||
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LegalLord
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Mohdoo
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On February 07 2018 02:14 LegalLord wrote: You know, after all these years I still can’t say for certain if that whole “never aging” thing is a joke or not. Don't they directly state he drank from the holy grail or whatever? I distinctly remember them talking about how he's actually immortal | ||
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NewSunshine
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LegalLord
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On February 07 2018 02:31 Mohdoo wrote: Don't they directly state he drank from the holy grail or whatever? I distinctly remember them talking about how he's actually immortal Yes, but there were some statements at other points that implied it might not be 100% serious. It’s been a while since I watched that part of DB though. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On February 07 2018 02:38 LegalLord wrote: Yes, but there were some statements at other points that implied it might not be 100% serious. It’s been a while since I watched that part of DB though. I could have sworn it was super solidified it in either Super or late in DBZ. I thought Baba and Roshi chatted about it. Here we go. Classic Roshi. http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Immortal_Phoenix | ||
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LegalLord
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There was also something in the King Piccolo arc regarding his immortality, right before he actually dies doing the Mafuba. | ||
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TMG26
Portugal2017 Posts
He is over 300yo. Karim states that he trained Roshi before Goku, and that was about 300 years before Goku. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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Mohdoo
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On February 07 2018 03:56 LegalLord wrote: Then is Crane Hermit also immortal? Yes, for the same reason as roshi. Or at least that's my headcanon | ||
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Xarles
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On February 09 2018 15:20 Mohdoo wrote: Yes, for the same reason as roshi. Or at least that's my headcanon What about Mercenary Tao, since he's Crane Hermit's brother? Makes me wonder about the age of their parents and when they had each child, or if Tao's just doing a better job at maintaining youthful looks than his brother, Roshi and Baba | ||
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Mohdoo
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