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This is a thread that is dedicated to discussing Dragon Ball Super. Do not read this thread if you are not currently caught up as there are spoilers in here.

If a chapter or an episode has already been officially released, then it is not necessary to post using spoilers.

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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15725 Posts
February 04 2018 00:36 GMT
#3401
Yeah, I am heavily pro super. I think it's really good.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15725 Posts
February 04 2018 02:14 GMT
#3402
Pretty cool episode. I'm glad Vegeta took out Toppo.
jeefzors
Profile Joined March 2011
United States120 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-04 02:26:31
February 04 2018 02:25 GMT
#3403
So weird to see Jiren smile.+ Show Spoiler +
And Freiza is definitely lurking somewhere.
Thanks to denial, I'm immortal. -Fry
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
February 04 2018 02:25 GMT
#3404
Yeah, was actually pretty cool. Of course, it left us with one very conveniently unanswered question:

+ Show Spoiler +
where is Freezer?


The mystery better be worth it.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-04 02:50:34
February 04 2018 02:49 GMT
#3405
Freiza is 100% winning this shit by staying in hole somewhere in the next 5 min

Also no17 into the top 5!!!
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-04 02:53:07
February 04 2018 02:51 GMT
#3406
I'm a touch surprised to see Toppo ousted just 1 episode after unleashing his Destruction powers, but with how long this arc has been going on I'm ok with us getting to the final fight and just hacking it out. It was nonetheless a cool fight, good to see Vegeta's powerup finally mean something, and for him to actually have a satisfying fight scene. The way Vegeta used his power, concentrating it into his fist and shattering the Destruction energy, was very reminiscent of what Goku did in the manga.

We've officially reached the point that Beerus(think it was him) alluded to at one point: that Goku and Vegeta are at a level where they can take on at least a weaker God of Destruction, and win. The problem is that Jiren is still a couple steps above that, and now he's finally showing his power. You got 4 minutes, Goku. That's like 8 episodes.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
February 04 2018 02:56 GMT
#3407
On February 04 2018 11:51 NewSunshine wrote:
I'm a touch surprised to see Toppo ousted just 1 episode after unleashing his Destruction powers, but with how long this arc has been going on I'm ok with us getting to the final fight and just hacking it out. It was nonetheless a cool fight, good to see Vegeta's powerup finally mean something, and for him to actually have a satisfying fight scene. The way Vegeta used his power, concentrating it into his fist and shattering the Destruction energy, was very reminiscent of what Goku did in the manga.

We've officially reached the point that Beerus(think it was him) alluded to at one point: that Goku and Vegeta are at a level where they can take on at least a weaker God of Destruction, and win. The problem is that Jiren is still a couple steps above that, and now he's finally showing his power. You got 4 minutes, Goku. That's like 8 episodes.


Don't want to pop your bubble but as far as we know there is 5 episode left in the whole series, so not more then 3-4 for the fight, unless they end it on a cliffhanger (lets say Jirren or Frieza winning the tournament)
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
February 04 2018 03:09 GMT
#3408
It was mostly a joke.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45090 Posts
February 04 2018 03:55 GMT
#3409
Jiren's gotta be aggressive and actually do something, because being outnumbered = losing the tournament.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13990 Posts
February 04 2018 04:10 GMT
#3410
not as amazing as last week, but still a really good episode nonetheless. really weird seeing Jiren's anger and arrogance at the end of the episode, felt out of character
Chain 1 Arthalion Chain 2 Urgula Chain 3 Mululu Chain 4 Lukias
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9006 Posts
February 04 2018 05:12 GMT
#3411
Vegeta finally go his due. Awesome to see the Buu flashback in this one. I'm stoked for what 17 will end up doing. Hopefully he found a way to weaken Jiren to give Goku and Vegeta a chance.

Also, #whereisfreeza?
[Phantom]
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Mexico2170 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-04 05:22:01
February 04 2018 05:21 GMT
#3412
I really liked some aspects of this episode but some others were really bad.

The animation was very very well done. Seeing Vegeta's new blue form in action against someone who isn't so OP was very aswesome too. How he destroyed atacks with his own energy/aura. You could even say he hakai'ed one of toppo's hakais. Very cool.

But am I the only one who thought that the callback to DBZ was totally unnecessary? The way the title made the episode sound made me think Vegeta was cornered and this was a last ditch effor to defeat Toppo, but actually Vegeta was wrecking Toppo. Like Toppo couldn't hit Vegetta anymore, both his usual atacks and destruction hakais were ineffective.

Not only was it just for fan service, but a lazy cop out to give us less animation. They wasted so much time showing the whole DBZ callback just to be lazy and not animate more of the fight. Maybe if they had re-animated that db scene with super's artstyle, but no, it was just pure laziness. I would have thought that with only 5-6 episodes remaining they would squeese all the time they can and make it as epic and interesting as possible.

Not only that but the first 3-5 minutes were literally the last 5 minutes of the last episode. Freeza getting wrecked again and then Toppo agaisnt 17 beam atacks. Then you add the actual episode recap that airs at the beggining (so we basically had a double episode recap) plus the useless "this episode preview" that they started showing a while ago...this episode, as cool as it was, was basically 10 minutes long.
WriterTeamLiquid Staff writer since 2014 @Mortal_Phantom
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
February 04 2018 05:23 GMT
#3413
They have certainly been penny pinching on animation lately. It’s bad enough that it’s noticeable, which is quite bad.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
February 04 2018 06:19 GMT
#3414
Yeah, I did not like how much of the episode was basically occupied by repetition. I really don't like the preview of the episode at the beginning of the episode either. There isn't a more useless place you could put such a thing. I don't even like long previews at the end of an episode, either. I want to be excited for the next episode, but I also need a reason to watch next week.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
Just_a_Moth
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada1964 Posts
February 04 2018 07:23 GMT
#3415
I love how Freeza is so arrogant that he won't give up.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
February 04 2018 08:15 GMT
#3416
I feel like Freeza isn't going to show up next episode at all and will show up in either 2 episodes or the final episode of the tournament (which I assume is 3 episodes). Curious how he's going to help or what he's going to end up doing. I am guessing he'll show up after Vegeta/17 get knocked out.


When I think of something else, something will go here
Shock710
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia6097 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-04 10:34:07
February 04 2018 10:32 GMT
#3417
If the other universe just completely forgets frieza is not dead....they have to be one of the stupidest universes there shouldnt be any suspense on whether someone is out of not regardless of all the smoke from ki-blasts, if they instantly teleport on to the stands they're out, if not they're alive. Freiza is alive...the exposition through supreme kai and the other idiot gods is getting annoying.

When does frieza have a parazlying ability??? why didnt he fucken use this on dyspo da fuck...
As much as i love that vegeta scene, super is like a fanfiction of dbz just throwing in every bit of reference and cool moments from the orginal dbz into itself.

and it goes without saying that power levels have been completely abolished why even have frieza in non-golden form (how can he do anything without it)
Vegeta has expended all his energy in the blast to knock toppo out but in the preview hes back to blue and fighting with goku? Look why didnt they just write in sensu beans for them or something this is retarded.

The manga has to like completely retcon these last 20 eps or something cause its making just as much sense has when zamus became the universe
dAPhREAk gives Shock a * | [23:55] <Shock710> that was out of context -_- [16:26] <@motbob> Good question, Shock!
nanaoei
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
3358 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-04 11:03:35
February 04 2018 10:58 GMT
#3418
everything is happening too quickly for the show to have subtle details in animation or to give impactful context through the others narrating the fight.

what i mean is, it could be done a lot better, and every episode is badass, but that cuts the budget severely and we have less content overall (which i'm sure most prefer), but this is the route they've taken. it works and i'm left wanting more but objectively they do deliver that once in a while.

this show is also supposed to appeal to younger audience. what i prefer the most is if they get better writers.
i definitely don't mind nonsense once in a while, but right now we're just focused on the flurry of new, hidden, limit-breaking powers that are seemingly thrown in there to give a jolt of surprise to the viewer.

if it were done with better care, there's no problem with it. yu yu hakusho had multiple little powerups during an important fight but was done under much more realistic expectations (earlier DBZ) instead of with different coloured ki-blasts flying everywhere and us left thinking that it won't work. until finally they do some mega ki push of war with their gathered energy. if they aren't going to do that, then they do a form change mid-fight having to do with pride, desperation or some other emotional theme.

it all comes back to how quickly this is all supposed to take place and i wish they had touched on it better.
all this shit on screen is supposed to be happening at 10x speed of what we're actually seeing.
when goku blue with kaioken (proven to be the strongest form in the series to that point) failed to make a dent in jiren, that helped the situation sink in. now it's a big ??? as to what's happening and what bullshit is going to happen for them to force jiren to his knees.

i wish they would touch on how billions of souls are at stake and it's more than winning or losing the fight at any cost.
a desperate person says desperate things, like vegeta asking goku to kill frieza for the saiyan race at the end of that arc.
*@boesthius' FF7 nostalgia stream bomb* "we should work on a 'Final Progamer' fangame»whitera can be a protagonist---lastlie: "we save world and then defense it"
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23491 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-04 11:49:57
February 04 2018 11:48 GMT
#3419
I love how this show makes people forget it's a cartoon intended for kids.

I thought this episode was a little Shakespearean with it's title. Could have stood to see Vegeta get beat up some before he had his moment but good nonetheless.

Solid episode imo, looking forward to Jiren+personality. Hope he survives this arc. Still hoping for a desperation IT from Goku and a new story with Goku wanting to get stronger than Jiren with some fluff from the angels.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
MoneyHypeMike
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada305 Posts
February 04 2018 12:04 GMT
#3420
Decent episode, happy to see Vegeta finally do something useful.
Loved the flashback to the Buu fight, my favorite DBZ scene.

Who would have thought C-17 would be in the top 5!
I don't see how Jiren can win a 1 vs 4.
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