-Kingpin was cool -Fight scenes were still cool -Origin story for The Punisher got way too convoluted...Blashsmith? The DA? Kuwait? Micro CD? Way too much shit. I guess they're probably doing another tv show on this guy as the main character and they're setting his story up? idk -Everything else about The Punisher was pretty awesome though. -The Foggy+Nelson shit was annoying. They did this in season 1. Foggy got over it. Then they hit the reset button in season 2 and made Foggy a dick who didn't care about the huge threat his best friend was dealing with.... -Way too much Karen Paige....wtf lol. She was constantly kidnapped or in danger to the point of tediousness. And randomly just becomes a journalist. She is beautiful though...
Honestly, I thought the first handful and last handful of episodes were really good, but the middle sagged a lot this season. Still quite good, though.
- -The Foggy+Nelson shit was annoying. They did this in season 1. Foggy got over it. Then they hit the reset button in season 2 and made Foggy a dick who didn't care about the huge threat his best friend was dealing with....
Foggy is never going to be one of my favorite characters, but I didn't see anything wrong with his behavior. For one Matt was the one who was screwing Foggy over by not showing up for work or doing his part for the trial and putting Foggy in a position of lying to Karen for him. Matt never bothered to explain the threat he was facing, and in fact spent a good part of the season intentionally not mentioning Electra was his client, which was pretty much lying by omission. And that's ignoring any concern Foggy has about his best friend getting hurt or killed, or the fact that Matt didn't even bother to visit Foggy in the hospital, even when he was already there. If you want to judge who was the worse friend in the relationship, it was clearly Matt.
yeah, at first i was also kinda "meh, your doing this infighting shit again?", but it was actually done pretty well. Foggy had really good reasons to be pissed.
Honestly, great action scenes and the Punisher was fucking brutal(Blacksmith could have been handled better), the Hand storyline felt kinda meh and I didn't really "feel" it between Elektra and Daredevil, felt like Punisher and Karen had far better chemistry/understanding, I do like how they got a hold of Elektra at the end, obviously to bring her back later but still feels like a nice touch. I don't particularly like Foggy but he acts as someone would in that position, also I do like that the way they gave up on the firm.
the greatest part for me about the season was Wilson Fisk though......"You were right, in prison there is only room for 1 Kingpin" that guy is so goddamn intimidating its insane.
Honestly, great action scenes and the Punisher was fucking brutal(Blacksmith could have been handled better), the Hand storyline felt kinda meh and I didn't really "feel" it between Elektra and Daredevil, felt like Punisher and Karen had far better chemistry/understanding, I do like how they got a hold of Elektra at the end, obviously to bring her back later but still feels like a nice touch. I don't particularly like Foggy but he acts as someone would in that position, also I do like that the way they gave up on the firm.
the greatest part for me about the season was Wilson Fisk though......"You were right, in prison there is only room for 1 Kingpin" that guy is so goddamn intimidating its insane.
I feel like Elektra should have kicked a bit more ass to be honest. She seemed like just another good fighter in a season full of characters who had a bit more to them. I really enjoyed it as a whole though. Just a couple of things let the ending down IMO: In the final fight the Punisher seemed pretty much pointless and redundant. There should have been many, many more bad guys. I would have liked to have seen a bit more of what's going on with Stick. Obviously there was the Hand/Elektra stuff but he really seems like he has his own agenda and we haven't really seen any of it yet. I'm glad to see Foggy doing other stuff by himself though, he needs to stop whining at Murdoch at this point because he's getting really annoying.
Apart from those things this season was generally awesome.
I have mixed feelings about this season. Half of it was truly awesome (punisher/kingpin) and part of it was rather dull (elektra/ninjas). Ninjas might've been fun in the 90's and when I was a kid but now they seem really out of place in a gritty NY setting. Ninjas are passe.
On March 24 2016 01:39 Manit0u wrote: I have mixed feelings about this season. Half of it was truly awesome (punisher/kingpin) and part of it was rather dull (elektra/ninjas). Ninjas might've been fun in the 90's and when I was a kid but now they seem really out of place in a gritty NY setting. Ninjas are passe.
Yeah, this would also be my resume. Nothing was bad (way better than all the other superhero series) but the whole Electra/Hand/Ninja stuff just felt too cheesy for me.
at the end i hoped the punisher would blow up all the ninjas coming from the building so Electra/DD would just have to worry about the guys on the top... That would have made sense and would have made him more important to the outcome
actually, this spoiler ridden review kinda nails it:
finished this on Sunday but damn the last two episodes dramatically dropped my score for this season so hard to the point that i couldnt bother to make a post lol
supposed to have a bigger part in that final fight T_T omg, how can they not beg for more budget on that??!! And the end of blacksmith was such a let down-_- are they going to give him his own series though
. Stick's part was overly underwhelming.
I mean, dont get me wrong, season2 is still better than season1 for sure (or more enjoyable for me anyway), way more action packed, just the right amount of drama (i dont quite like the stupid matt letting foggy down like that), and awesome characters development. Punisher and the editor boss are the stars in season2.
Goddamn, this is the most well planned and screenwritten piece of work of superhero project. It has its flaws, but damn, it would be so unfair to put in the same bracket as the other generic/mainstream crap they chunked out in recent years (or since the beginning of it, superheroes movies have always been popcorn-turn-your-brain-off-blockbusters, bar very few of them that are actually good).
The best non-technical scene: The Punisher's love consultant. + Show Spoiler +
Damn, not only the dialogue was perfect, the camera focused on Karen's reaction after he killed the dudes, 5 stars acting right there; and then we see the blood dripped down from punisher's lips, punisher realized and is disgusted by what an animal he is, and that he doesnt deserve the trust from karen.
I mean, most people didnt expect much from Netflix doing these superheroes series, i think it would be fair to say that DD1, JJ, DD2 blew our expectation pretty hard lol.
And ye, damn ninjas were so cool until they became some mass produced units. Comon, thats not the way you use katana. More shuriken instead. And some sort of backstab/whatever advanced techniques when we entered the climax of the season?!
And biggest 'regret' again, has to be that last fighting scene, punisher was so supposed to make a scene there.
On March 24 2016 01:39 Manit0u wrote: I have mixed feelings about this season. Half of it was truly awesome (punisher/kingpin) and part of it was rather dull (elektra/ninjas). Ninjas might've been fun in the 90's and when I was a kid but now they seem really out of place in a gritty NY setting. Ninjas are passe.
Yeah, this would also be my resume. Nothing was bad (way better than all the other superhero series) but the whole Electra/Hand/Ninja stuff just felt too cheesy for me.
at the end i hoped the punisher would blow up all the ninjas coming from the building so Electra/DD would just have to worry about the guys on the top... That would have made sense and would have made him more important to the outcome
bleh, really not a big fan of kingpin, season1 was boring in many parts for me because of that. I mean in season2, you see, + Show Spoiler +
the lawyer specifically told him that he no longer has the movable asset (that it would be his last lawyer work for him etc), next thing we see, king pin owned the guards etc........i mean, how??! he is supposed to feed them money in real world to win their loyalty but poof, everyone just became his pawns voluntarily. Everything kingpin did is just so forceful/arranged by plot device (to me anyway), so i literally see him as a fat dude who can just control people without real strengths or powers, worse when he is in prison when we viewers are informed that he no longer has the deep pocket in the real world....
Yeah any criticism I have made of this series should be taken in the context of Netflix having produced two separate, distinct and yet equally fantastic series. Kudos to them, more please. And more Punisher 'cos they found the perfect actor for it. What a badass.
I thought Elektra was cool but the The Hand story line was lame as fuck and watching the ninjas run around and shooting arrows at cars gave me this weird 90's ninja movie vibe in a not good way.
On March 24 2016 22:45 Daray wrote: I thought Elektra was cool but the The Hand story line was lame as fuck and watching the ninjas run around and shooting arrows at cars gave me this weird 90's ninja movie vibe in a not good way.
It was very 90s and I sort of loved that they didn’t even try to justify any of it. Just bows, katanas and cops that can’t deal with it. They dig a giant hole in the ground. Why? Who cares!?!? Now we fight over the hole. Here is the blood box thing? What does it do? Who cares!?!?!?
At a core level you need to suspend your disbelief for DD. It’s based on Hell’s Kitchen in the 70s and 80s. Modern day Hell’s Kitchen is filled with Starbucks, hipsters and rich trust fund kids. And if you know anything about law in general, their law firm requires you to believe in true fantasy land. So ninjas are just fine.
On March 24 2016 07:31 BurningSera wrote: finished this on Sunday but damn the last two episodes dramatically dropped my score for this season so hard to the point that i couldnt bother to make a post lol
supposed to have a bigger part in that final fight T_T omg, how can they not beg for more budget on that??!! And the end of blacksmith was such a let down-_- are they going to give him his own series though
. Stick's part was overly underwhelming.
I mean, dont get me wrong, season2 is still better than season1 for sure (or more enjoyable for me anyway), way more action packed, just the right amount of drama (i dont quite like the stupid matt letting foggy down like that), and awesome characters development. Punisher and the editor boss are the stars in season2.
Goddamn, this is the most well planned and screenwritten piece of work of superhero project. It has its flaws, but damn, it would be so unfair to put in the same bracket as the other generic/mainstream crap they chunked out in recent years (or since the beginning of it, superheroes movies have always been popcorn-turn-your-brain-off-blockbusters, bar very few of them that are actually good).
The best non-technical scene: The Punisher's love consultant. + Show Spoiler +
Damn, not only the dialogue was perfect, the camera focused on Karen's reaction after he killed the dudes, 5 stars acting right there; and then we see the blood dripped down from punisher's lips, punisher realized and is disgusted by what an animal he is, and that he doesnt deserve the trust from karen.
I mean, most people didnt expect much from Netflix doing these superheroes series, i think it would be fair to say that DD1, JJ, DD2 blew our expectation pretty hard lol.
And ye, damn ninjas were so cool until they became some mass produced units. Comon, thats not the way you use katana. More shuriken instead. And some sort of backstab/whatever advanced techniques when we entered the climax of the season?!
And biggest 'regrest' again, has to be that last fighting scene, punisher was so supposed to make a scene there.
So I just want to comment on only one of your complaints about Season 2.
The Daredevil not seeming to care as much about killing. That was intentional because remember this happened after he went to prison, where he sees all the guards and shit listening to Kingpin. Not only that, the Punisher who he worked so hard to get in Jail was able to escape insanely fast.
The other part I also think is the fact that when he made Elektra stop, it almost got her killed. Also none of them listened, stick, Elektra, Punisher none of them were listening and you can really only preach the same "don't kill" so long before you just need to let it go and know that you can't change their minds.
On March 24 2016 07:31 BurningSera wrote: finished this on Sunday but damn the last two episodes dramatically dropped my score for this season so hard to the point that i couldnt bother to make a post lol
supposed to have a bigger part in that final fight T_T omg, how can they not beg for more budget on that??!! And the end of blacksmith was such a let down-_- are they going to give him his own series though
. Stick's part was overly underwhelming.
I mean, dont get me wrong, season2 is still better than season1 for sure (or more enjoyable for me anyway), way more action packed, just the right amount of drama (i dont quite like the stupid matt letting foggy down like that), and awesome characters development. Punisher and the editor boss are the stars in season2.
Goddamn, this is the most well planned and screenwritten piece of work of superhero project. It has its flaws, but damn, it would be so unfair to put in the same bracket as the other generic/mainstream crap they chunked out in recent years (or since the beginning of it, superheroes movies have always been popcorn-turn-your-brain-off-blockbusters, bar very few of them that are actually good).
The best non-technical scene: The Punisher's love consultant. + Show Spoiler +
Damn, not only the dialogue was perfect, the camera focused on Karen's reaction after he killed the dudes, 5 stars acting right there; and then we see the blood dripped down from punisher's lips, punisher realized and is disgusted by what an animal he is, and that he doesnt deserve the trust from karen.
I mean, most people didnt expect much from Netflix doing these superheroes series, i think it would be fair to say that DD1, JJ, DD2 blew our expectation pretty hard lol.
And ye, damn ninjas were so cool until they became some mass produced units. Comon, thats not the way you use katana. More shuriken instead. And some sort of backstab/whatever advanced techniques when we entered the climax of the season?!
And biggest 'regrest' again, has to be that last fighting scene, punisher was so supposed to make a scene there.
So I just want to comment on only one of your complaints about Season 2.
The Daredevil not seeming to care as much about killing. That was intentional because remember this happened after he went to prison, where he sees all the guards and shit listening to Kingpin. Not only that, the Punisher who he worked so hard to get in Jail was able to escape insanely fast.
The other part I also think is the fact that when he made Elektra stop, it almost got her killed. Also none of them listened, stick, Elektra, Punisher none of them were listening and you can really only preach the same "don't kill" so long before you just need to let it go and know that you can't change their minds.
Well either way it is a cheap way for the change isn't it, especially that the whole season is almost all about 'what is the 'right' kind of vigilante' from the whole punisher's story and his trial.
And then next thing we know he is cool with the killing and then he proposed to Elektra (and then he went back to Karen in the end). Mind blown. That's why I dislike the last 2/3 episodes so much.
And the bloody Hand gangs just straight up telling us they will obey to Elektra and proceed to fight her (I know they wont kill her but they are still fighting against her), so odd. They could have mentioned nothing about her being black sky and let her die as what we saw, and then steal her corpse (as we saw), bam, we get hit hard by the cliffhanger ending, realizing The Hand wanted her all along.
Netflix series always have this serious budget/rushing issue when it comes to the last few episodes of the season. That is one part about that random French dude go hit on Elektra and proceed to get kicked just to deliver the plot device (and the Sai weapon lololol), they could have used that part to develop something else better.
It's a live action comic book story. If you expect a "realistic" story you are bound to be disappointed. It doesn't mean there is no room for improvement, but the good way out weighed the bad for me.
On March 24 2016 07:31 BurningSera wrote: finished this on Sunday but damn the last two episodes dramatically dropped my score for this season so hard to the point that i couldnt bother to make a post lol
supposed to have a bigger part in that final fight T_T omg, how can they not beg for more budget on that??!! And the end of blacksmith was such a let down-_- are they going to give him his own series though
. Stick's part was overly underwhelming.
I mean, dont get me wrong, season2 is still better than season1 for sure (or more enjoyable for me anyway), way more action packed, just the right amount of drama (i dont quite like the stupid matt letting foggy down like that), and awesome characters development. Punisher and the editor boss are the stars in season2.
Goddamn, this is the most well planned and screenwritten piece of work of superhero project. It has its flaws, but damn, it would be so unfair to put in the same bracket as the other generic/mainstream crap they chunked out in recent years (or since the beginning of it, superheroes movies have always been popcorn-turn-your-brain-off-blockbusters, bar very few of them that are actually good).
The best non-technical scene: The Punisher's love consultant. + Show Spoiler +
Damn, not only the dialogue was perfect, the camera focused on Karen's reaction after he killed the dudes, 5 stars acting right there; and then we see the blood dripped down from punisher's lips, punisher realized and is disgusted by what an animal he is, and that he doesnt deserve the trust from karen.
I mean, most people didnt expect much from Netflix doing these superheroes series, i think it would be fair to say that DD1, JJ, DD2 blew our expectation pretty hard lol.
And ye, damn ninjas were so cool until they became some mass produced units. Comon, thats not the way you use katana. More shuriken instead. And some sort of backstab/whatever advanced techniques when we entered the climax of the season?!
And biggest 'regrest' again, has to be that last fighting scene, punisher was so supposed to make a scene there.
So I just want to comment on only one of your complaints about Season 2.
The Daredevil not seeming to care as much about killing. That was intentional because remember this happened after he went to prison, where he sees all the guards and shit listening to Kingpin. Not only that, the Punisher who he worked so hard to get in Jail was able to escape insanely fast.
The other part I also think is the fact that when he made Elektra stop, it almost got her killed. Also none of them listened, stick, Elektra, Punisher none of them were listening and you can really only preach the same "don't kill" so long before you just need to let it go and know that you can't change their minds.
Well either way it is a cheap way for the change isn't it, especially that the whole season is almost all about 'what is the 'right' kind of vigilante' from the whole punisher's story and his trial.
And then next thing we know he is cool with the killing and then he proposed to Elektra (and then he went back to Karen in the end). Mind blown. That's why I dislike the last 2/3 episodes so much.
And the bloody Hand gangs just straight up telling us they will obey to Elektra and proceed to fight her (I know they wont kill her but they are still fighting against her), so odd. They could have mentioned nothing about her being black sky and let her die as what we saw, and then steal her corpse (as we saw), bam, we get hit hard by the cliffhanger ending, realizing The Hand wanted her all along.
Netflix series always have this serious budget/rushing issue when it comes to the last few episodes of the season. That is one part about that random French dude go hit on Elektra and proceed to get kicked just to deliver the plot device (and the Sai weapon lololol), they could have used that part to develop something else better.
So the only complaint I agree with you on is about them ready to obey Elektra. That just seemed so... Odd and random. Especially when she was actually considering it. Then they were willing to fight her as well. That was really the only part about this season I didn't like was the randomness, the fact they would listen and how she considered it. Especially when one of the Ninja's almost killed her.
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