The 13-part series of one hour episodes will hit Netflix on April 10th.
Matt Murdock (Charlie Cox of Boardwalk Empire) gained extraordinary senses when he lost his sight as a boy. By day, Matt fights injustice in the courtroom as a respected lawyer, but at night, he protects Hell's Kitchen, New York as the masked vigilante Daredevil! Watch the teaser trailer below to get your first look at Daredevil, Foggy (Elden Henson), Karen Page (Deborah Ann Woll of True Blood), Wilson Fisk (Vincent D'Onofrio) and much, much more!
Only did I recently discover that Daredevil was considered a bad movie... I watched it while I was younger, and I didn't think it was bad.... Will be watching this for sure....
So far, it's looking good. The cast is good, and so is the style of the series. It would be neat if he dons the iconic red outfit when the Defenders come around. I'm glad that this looks dark, gritty, and pretty mature from what the trailer shows. Of course, not every comics series needs to be dark, but this fits Daredevil quite well. I'm glad that it's not "Disneyfied" when compared to other Marvel properties, whether movies or TV shows.
On February 05 2015 09:45 SwARmZzz wrote: Only did I recently discover that Daredevil was considered a bad movie... I watched it while I was younger, and I didn't think it was bad.... Will be watching this for sure....
While for sure not being a good movie, it is not as bad as people say.
I've never watched any netflix produced show before. Do you guys think this will be comparable to marvel agents of shield, arrow and flash as I enjoy those shows a lot? Will it have a similar budget?
On February 06 2015 09:37 Canucklehead wrote: I've never watched any netflix produced show before. Do you guys think this will be comparable to marvel agents of shield, arrow and flash as I enjoy those shows a lot? Will it have a similar budget?
You can expect a much much better show. Better story, acting and bigger budget. Netflix shows are all very high quality. I watched two of them so far. House of Cards is one of the best thriller/drama series I ever watched and Marco Polo rivals Game of Thrones in production quality. Netflix can make both a good story and high budget scenes/effects.
Agreed it will probably be far better than any of the other Superhero shows (Gotham/Flash etc.) Just hope they hired better writers than they did for Marco Polo.
On February 06 2015 19:58 -Archangel- wrote: Marco Polo was good enough. Except for main character everyone else was top quality.
Well it's 30% on RT, which is usually very generous to TV series. I loved Vikings/Rome and other high budget historical series but MP is nowhere near that level. The visuals are top notch but the script and narrative in particular are sleep inducing. The critics sum it up quite well as a "turgid", "lethargic", "middling mess" with a "sporadic pulse". Netflix is far from infallible.
On February 06 2015 19:58 -Archangel- wrote: Marco Polo was good enough. Except for main character everyone else was top quality.
No it was horrible. It was truly a waste of time watching it.. It was a bummer, because the history is really interesting.
On the other hand. This show looks promising. I like the new seasons of the Arrow (with the darker vibe) and after watching the teaser, I'll guess you can say I am pretty stoked.
Likewise Daredevil's mentor Stick looks like a good choice: + Show Spoiler +
Netflix has “AKA Jessica Jones” which will co-star Mike Colter as Luke Cage, leading up to his own show, and a show for Iron Fist— and then they will team up in “The Defenders”. The potential is really high. And with Netflix you will get the whole season of Daredevil released on April 10th at once.
On April 03 2015 04:11 karazax wrote: It's success could open the door for an equally or even more violent version of the Punisher.
If that were to happen, I'd hope Steven DeKnight would have a hand in it as well, without detracting from his ability to run Daredevil properly of course.
Just got started with the 7th ep, and I have to agree with ya. I like that you see exhaustion from the fighting. The actors are doing rather well with their respective parts.
Yep watched episode 2 and the show is everything I hoped it would be so far. Love the connections to the rest of the Marvel universe, referencing how the events of the Avengers wrecked Hells Kitchen, and the flash back to Matt's dad fighting + Show Spoiler +
a young Karl Crusher Kreel who later becomes the Absorbing Man
On April 11 2015 11:13 Zode wrote: Made it upto ep10 so far, pretty legit show. Though it sucks that'll probably be a long time if ever for a season 2 lols.
You will have other 3 supehero shows (Luke Cage, Jessica Jones and Iron Fist) that Netflix is going to have to fill the time And they will have one called Defenders where all 4 characters will band together.
Discovered this show yesterday. I'm hooked. The acting is decent to say the least, characters actually have some depth to them, the are no "beautiful people" involved so far, making it look more real etc. The story keeps me interested, especially that it isn't as banal as in Arrow or Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. I believe that the quality of this show far surpassess most Marvel movie released to date (with the exception of Guardians of the Galaxy, X-Men rebooted series and Unbreakable - it's actually pretty similar to it).
On April 11 2015 11:13 Zode wrote: Made it upto ep10 so far, pretty legit show. Though it sucks that'll probably be a long time if ever for a season 2 lols.
You will have other 3 supehero shows (Luke Cage, Jessica Jones and Iron Fist) that Netflix is going to have to fill the time And they will have one called Defenders where all 4 characters will band together.
Yea I heard a abit about those, but when do they come out?
I never saw Wilson Fisk being referred to as Kingpin, does that mean what comes after this will be sort of the birth of Kingpin?. I really liked the character and after the show ended I been wondering where he might go.
Really enjoyed the show, watched the whole thing in a couple of days. Really has me hyped for Jessica Jones, Luke Cage and Season 2 of this show.
. I thought the series was great over all. Not perfect, but very good. Any complaints I had were minor or nitpicks. Quick thoughts on the entire series: + Show Spoiler +
First off it was 1000% better than the Ben Affleck movie. The fight scenes were well done, great cast, the characters were generally well developed and I cared about who they were. Nice foreshadowing with the Japanese and the Triad to likely tie in elements to the Iron Fist show when it airs.
Nitpicks: I wasn't 100% satisfied with the writing for Fisk and the Vanessa relationship felt a bit forced. The dynamic of being so powerful and careful that he controlled the entire town and yet constantly being questioned by his partners and being so emotionally rash seemed kind of conflicting. I know they tried to paint his behavior as this was caused by Vanessa, but it felt a bit off. Also would have been nice to give some background on how he went from poor boy who killed his dad to one of the richest and most powerful guys in the city. That and making him fall in season 1. No doubt he will be back at some point or in some form but I didn't expect him to be arrested in season 1. I was also a bit surprised that Ben died being one of the staple reporters for Marvel comics.
I was really happy with the series as a whole and looking forward to the rest of Netflix Marvel line up including AKA Jessica Jones, Iron Fist, Luke Cage and the Defenders team up over the next year or so. If the viewership and ratings for Daredevil are what I expect, then we should get at least a few more seasons following this one and it's not unreasonable to think they could be a year apart like House of Cards has been.
On April 13 2015 22:01 karazax wrote: He was alluded to as Kingpin by the + Show Spoiler +
research Ben was doing with him as the king card
. I thought the series was great over all. Not perfect, but very good. Any complaints I had were minor or nitpicks. Quick thoughts on the entire series: + Show Spoiler +
First off it was 1000% better than the Ben Affleck movie. The fight scenes were well done, great cast, the characters were generally well developed and I cared about who they were. Nice foreshadowing with the Japanese and the Triad to likely tie in elements to the Iron Fist show when it airs.
Nitpicks: I wasn't 100% satisfied with the writing for Fisk and the Vanessa relationship felt a bit forced. The dynamic of being so powerful and careful that he controlled the entire town and yet constantly being questioned by his partners and being so emotionally rash seemed kind of conflicting. I know they tried to paint his behavior as this was caused by Vanessa, but it felt a bit off. Also would have been nice to give some background on how he went from poor boy who killed his dad to one of the richest and most powerful guys in the city. That and making him fall in season 1. No doubt he will be back at some point or in some form but I didn't expect him to be arrested in season 1. I was also a bit surprised that Ben died being one of the staple reporters for Marvel comics.
The way I see it is that it was also an origin story for how he became the Kingpin we all know him as, and to cement him as Daredevil's arch-nemesis. Like he was this romantic/kid who dreamed of a better partnership than that of his parents and the guy who wanted to improve the city he grew up in. Meeting Vanessa, split him up in those two as Kingpin's partners mentioned. By the end, he kinda got to have it all until Hoffman spilled the beans and he lost everything, and so he stops caring and becomes a 3rd person so to speak. However, Daredevil shows up and I think he sort of becomes the embodiment of the things Fisk lost/were taken away from him. So to some extent I think while Daredevil's doing his thing in the city, it will be like having someone rub the total sum of Fisk's misery in his face. I do find it interesting how Fisk looked at the prison wall as opposed to the paintings though,
I do see your point though. It would've been interesting to see Fisk escape after all that effort by Nelson & Murdock. I probably would've been clamoring for more.
Yeah I definitely liked episode one of Daredevil more than GoT's premiere.
I like the release the whole season at once from a binge watching convenience, but it does make discussion about the show more difficult and some what less interesting. There is no speculation about what will happen next episode, or really breaking down individual episodes for a week like you do with a network show when you can watch them all back to back.
On April 14 2015 02:01 karazax wrote: Yeah I definitely liked episode one of Daredevil more than GoT's premiere.
I like the release the whole season at once from a binge watching convenience, but it does make discussion about the show more difficult and some what less interesting. There is no speculation about what will happen next episode, or really breaking down individual episodes for a week like you do with a network show when you can watch them all back to back.
True but I think individual DD episodes are not interesting enough to wait each week for them. They work well as a part of a whole season that you can watch in short time.
Didn't read the comics, and got up to episode 6 so far. But is Daredevil really supposed to be this blatant of a ripoff of the dark knight portrayal of Batman?
Hell I joked to my girlfriend that he is more batlike than Batman with supersenses instead of sight. Anyway, many of the themes from Batman seem to play a similarly dominant role: whether killing is ever justified, what distinguishes the bad guy from the good guy, and the whole dark city theme (Gotham or Hell's Kitchen: both are portrayals of the seedy underbelly of New York). Now in Ep. 6 Fisk sets him up as the bad guy, it feels a lot like a rehash of Batman, but by Marvel instead of DC.
PS. This season of Arrow apparently also ran out of inspiration and are using Batman plots there too (but in a completely retarded way). So between that and this, Gotham is actually the least batmanny of the comic book series!
DareDevil and Batman were both "reinvented" by Frank Miller in the 1980, so they have a lot in common. Both characters fill similar roles in the universe with different power sets(batman's being unlimited wealth). They mostly defend their city and try to deal with problems on a small scale, rather than fighting crime across the globe.
All of those heroes are referred to as "street level" super heroes and have a lot in common. They fight regular criminals, can get beat up by them and don't really go in heavy on "super powers" to solve their problems.
On April 14 2015 02:01 karazax wrote: Yeah I definitely liked episode one of Daredevil more than GoT's premiere.
I like the release the whole season at once from a binge watching convenience, but it does make discussion about the show more difficult and some what less interesting. There is no speculation about what will happen next episode, or really breaking down individual episodes for a week like you do with a network show when you can watch them all back to back.
True but I think individual DD episodes are not interesting enough to wait each week for them. They work well as a part of a whole season that you can watch in short time.
I don't think that they aren't interesting enough. It would be more difficult for casual viewers to keep up with with a week delay though. Doesn't really matter since it isn't going to change. It's just harder for me to remember all the details of each individual episode for discussion after the fact when I watch all 13 in a day or two, and it's harder to say how long it's appropriate to spoiler tag details.
I liked the introduction of Stick and build up there. Loved when Matt came face to face with Fisk in the art gallery. Loved the ninja fight vs Nobu in episode 9. Was pretty surprised when Fisk showed up right after Murdock barely survived and then gets discovered by Foggy. I like that Karen flirts some with Foggy, but they didn't go for the stereotypical love triangle. Karen has her own agenda and drive. Karen shooting Wesley was pretty surprising too, and not getting scooped up or even discovered, nor sharing what she did with anyone. Foggy does a great job in the series as a side kick with charisma and humor and likeable enough that even when he is anti-Daredevil, you can empathize with his side. Lots of Marvel universe tie ins in the show. From Karl Crusher Creel, the absorbing man, fighting Matt's dad, to the "Greek girl" Matt dated in college (Electra), to Roxxon Oil, Van Lundt Real estate. Father Lantom is a reoccurring priest in the Marvel universe, working with Cloak and Dagger among others. When the show mentions Kingpin taking over Rigoletto's books, they are giving a nod to the comic origins. Don Rigoletto was a mob boss who first hired Fisk as his bodyguard and enforcer, before Fisk took his life – and his criminal empire along with it. Leland Owlsley is the villain the Owl in the comics. We shall see if he really died from that fall. The markings on the heroine is the symbol on the chest of Iron Fist villain Steel Serpent. St Agnes orphanage is the same one that Skye from Agents of SHIELD was at.
A cameo on the wall for Stan Lee
The only other nitpick that comes to mind is the finale and Fisk allowing himself to be arrested and then arranging the gunning down of his escort into custody with a plan to drive to the helicopter to be flown out. Why allow yourself to be arrested in the first place if you have men on the inside? Maybe he didn't have time to plan his escape before they arrived, but if so then how did he have time to plan the break out and get his men on the inside? Did he whisper to Vanessa to plan that escape? Seems like something that would take a lot more planning than a 5 second whisper would allow for. Why not have the helicopter come to him? It's based on a comic book so none of those nitpicks ruined it for me, but it did stretch the lines of logic in a show that generally approached things in a fairly logical fashion.
I suspect that Madame Gao and Stick will make a reappearance in Iron Fist. Loved the red costume. Overall the season was great and I'm looking forward to more.
Finished Ep 7. This is probably one of my favorite shows now. Soooo good. Main character is super badass, and Kingpin is amazing as well. I wish the other Marvel series lived up to this.
With 3 other Marvel Netflix shows and the Defenders mini-series, there is a lot to look forward to if they can live up to a similar quality as Daredevil. I believe AKA Jessica Jones is next up probably around December.
On April 14 2015 02:01 karazax wrote: Yeah I definitely liked episode one of Daredevil more than GoT's premiere.
I like the release the whole season at once from a binge watching convenience, but it does make discussion about the show more difficult and some what less interesting. There is no speculation about what will happen next episode, or really breaking down individual episodes for a week like you do with a network show when you can watch them all back to back.
True but I think individual DD episodes are not interesting enough to wait each week for them. They work well as a part of a whole season that you can watch in short time.
I don't think that they aren't interesting enough. It would be more difficult for casual viewers to keep up with with a week delay though. Doesn't really matter since it isn't going to change. It's just harder for me to remember all the details of each individual episode for discussion after the fact when I watch all 13 in a day or two, and it's harder to say how long it's appropriate to spoiler tag details.
I liked the introduction of Stick and build up there. Loved when Matt came face to face with Fisk in the art gallery. Loved the ninja fight vs Nobu in episode 9. Was pretty surprised when Fisk showed up right after Murdock barely survived and then gets discovered by Foggy. I like that Karen flirts some with Foggy, but they didn't go for the stereotypical love triangle. Karen has her own agenda and drive. Karen shooting Wesley was pretty surprising too, and not getting scooped up or even discovered, nor sharing what she did with anyone. Foggy does a great job in the series as a side kick with charisma and humor and likeable enough that even when he is anti-Daredevil, you can empathize with his side. Lots of Marvel universe tie ins in the show. From Karl Crusher Creel, the absorbing man, fighting Matt's dad, to the "Greek girl" Matt dated in college (Electra), to Roxxon Oil, Van Lundt Real estate. Father Lantom is a reoccurring priest in the Marvel universe, working with Cloak and Dagger among others. When the show mentions Kingpin taking over Rigoletto's books, they are giving a nod to the comic origins. Don Rigoletto was a mob boss who first hired Fisk as his bodyguard and enforcer, before Fisk took his life – and his criminal empire along with it. Leland Owlsley is the villain the Owl in the comics. We shall see if he really died from that fall. The markings on the heroine is the symbol on the chest of Iron Fist villain Steel Serpent. St Agnes orphanage is the same one that Skye from Agents of SHIELD was at.
A cameo on the wall for Stan Lee
The only other nitpick that comes to mind is the finale and Fisk allowing himself to be arrested and then arranging the gunning down of his escort into custody with a plan to drive to the helicopter to be flown out. Why allow yourself to be arrested in the first place if you have men on the inside? Maybe he didn't have time to plan his escape before they arrived, but if so then how did he have time to plan the break out and get his men on the inside? Did he whisper to Vanessa to plan that escape? Seems like something that would take a lot more planning than a 5 second whisper would allow for. Why not have the helicopter come to him? It's based on a comic book so none of those nitpicks ruined it for me, but it did stretch the lines of logic in a show that generally approached things in a fairly logical fashion.
I suspect that Madame Gao and Stick will make a reappearance in Iron Fist. Loved the red costume. Overall the season was great and I'm looking forward to more.
Just before police arrest him he says plans have been made to his girl. She didn't plan anything, she was just told to wait by the helicopter. He didn't want the helicopter to come to him because he would risk her and he didn't want that. He would rather go to jail. As he said, it is just an inconvenience.
On April 14 2015 02:01 karazax wrote: Yeah I definitely liked episode one of Daredevil more than GoT's premiere.
I like the release the whole season at once from a binge watching convenience, but it does make discussion about the show more difficult and some what less interesting. There is no speculation about what will happen next episode, or really breaking down individual episodes for a week like you do with a network show when you can watch them all back to back.
True but I think individual DD episodes are not interesting enough to wait each week for them. They work well as a part of a whole season that you can watch in short time.
I don't think that they aren't interesting enough. It would be more difficult for casual viewers to keep up with with a week delay though. Doesn't really matter since it isn't going to change. It's just harder for me to remember all the details of each individual episode for discussion after the fact when I watch all 13 in a day or two, and it's harder to say how long it's appropriate to spoiler tag details.
I liked the introduction of Stick and build up there. Loved when Matt came face to face with Fisk in the art gallery. Loved the ninja fight vs Nobu in episode 9. Was pretty surprised when Fisk showed up right after Murdock barely survived and then gets discovered by Foggy. I like that Karen flirts some with Foggy, but they didn't go for the stereotypical love triangle. Karen has her own agenda and drive. Karen shooting Wesley was pretty surprising too, and not getting scooped up or even discovered, nor sharing what she did with anyone. Foggy does a great job in the series as a side kick with charisma and humor and likeable enough that even when he is anti-Daredevil, you can empathize with his side. Lots of Marvel universe tie ins in the show. From Karl Crusher Creel, the absorbing man, fighting Matt's dad, to the "Greek girl" Matt dated in college (Electra), to Roxxon Oil, Van Lundt Real estate. Father Lantom is a reoccurring priest in the Marvel universe, working with Cloak and Dagger among others. When the show mentions Kingpin taking over Rigoletto's books, they are giving a nod to the comic origins. Don Rigoletto was a mob boss who first hired Fisk as his bodyguard and enforcer, before Fisk took his life – and his criminal empire along with it. Leland Owlsley is the villain the Owl in the comics. We shall see if he really died from that fall. The markings on the heroine is the symbol on the chest of Iron Fist villain Steel Serpent. St Agnes orphanage is the same one that Skye from Agents of SHIELD was at.
A cameo on the wall for Stan Lee
The only other nitpick that comes to mind is the finale and Fisk allowing himself to be arrested and then arranging the gunning down of his escort into custody with a plan to drive to the helicopter to be flown out. Why allow yourself to be arrested in the first place if you have men on the inside? Maybe he didn't have time to plan his escape before they arrived, but if so then how did he have time to plan the break out and get his men on the inside? Did he whisper to Vanessa to plan that escape? Seems like something that would take a lot more planning than a 5 second whisper would allow for. Why not have the helicopter come to him? It's based on a comic book so none of those nitpicks ruined it for me, but it did stretch the lines of logic in a show that generally approached things in a fairly logical fashion.
I suspect that Madame Gao and Stick will make a reappearance in Iron Fist. Loved the red costume. Overall the season was great and I'm looking forward to more.
Just before police arrest him he says plans have been made to his girl. She didn't plan anything, she was just told to wait by the helicopter. He didn't want the helicopter to come to him because he would risk her and he didn't want that. He would rather go to jail. As he said, it is just an inconvenience.
I'm just saying, if he had time to plan an elaborate and dangerous escape that required men on the inside escorting him, it seems like he could have just avoided getting taken into custody in the first place. It's a nitpick, but it took me out of the story some.
On April 14 2015 05:36 karazax wrote: I don't think that they aren't interesting enough. It would be more difficult for casual viewers to keep up with with a week delay though. Doesn't really matter since it isn't going to change. It's just harder for me to remember all the details of each individual episode for discussion after the fact when I watch all 13 in a day or two, and it's harder to say how long it's appropriate to spoiler tag details.
I liked the introduction of Stick and build up there. Loved when Matt came face to face with Fisk in the art gallery. Loved the ninja fight vs Nobu in episode 9. Was pretty surprised when Fisk showed up right after Murdock barely survived and then gets discovered by Foggy. I like that Karen flirts some with Foggy, but they didn't go for the stereotypical love triangle. Karen has her own agenda and drive. Karen shooting Wesley was pretty surprising too, and not getting scooped up or even discovered, nor sharing what she did with anyone. Foggy does a great job in the series as a side kick with charisma and humor and likeable enough that even when he is anti-Daredevil, you can empathize with his side. Lots of Marvel universe tie ins in the show. From Karl Crusher Creel, the absorbing man, fighting Matt's dad, to the "Greek girl" Matt dated in college (Electra), to Roxxon Oil, Van Lundt Real estate. Father Lantom is a reoccurring priest in the Marvel universe, working with Cloak and Dagger among others. When the show mentions Kingpin taking over Rigoletto's books, they are giving a nod to the comic origins. Don Rigoletto was a mob boss who first hired Fisk as his bodyguard and enforcer, before Fisk took his life – and his criminal empire along with it. Leland Owlsley is the villain the Owl in the comics. We shall see if he really died from that fall. The markings on the heroine is the symbol on the chest of Iron Fist villain Steel Serpent. St Agnes orphanage is the same one that Skye from Agents of SHIELD was at.
A cameo on the wall for Stan Lee
The only other nitpick that comes to mind is the finale and Fisk allowing himself to be arrested and then arranging the gunning down of his escort into custody with a plan to drive to the helicopter to be flown out. Why allow yourself to be arrested in the first place if you have men on the inside? Maybe he didn't have time to plan his escape before they arrived, but if so then how did he have time to plan the break out and get his men on the inside? Did he whisper to Vanessa to plan that escape? Seems like something that would take a lot more planning than a 5 second whisper would allow for. Why not have the helicopter come to him? It's based on a comic book so none of those nitpicks ruined it for me, but it did stretch the lines of logic in a show that generally approached things in a fairly logical fashion.
I suspect that Madame Gao and Stick will make a reappearance in Iron Fist. Loved the red costume. Overall the season was great and I'm looking forward to more.
Just before police arrest him he says plans have been made to his girl. She didn't plan anything, she was just told to wait by the helicopter. He didn't want the helicopter to come to him because he would risk her and he didn't want that. He would rather go to jail. As he said, it is just an inconvenience.
I'm just saying, if he had time to plan an elaborate and dangerous escape that required men on the inside escorting him, it seems like he could have just avoided getting taken into custody in the first place. It's a nitpick, but it took me out of the story some.
Since we cannot know the extent of his contacts inside the police and feds and others what happened is just as likely as what you wanted. Maybe he had no contacts inside FBI task force that was on his case but he had amongst some of the special troops. And we only saw one that was on the inside, the guys in black I think were some mercenaries
On April 14 2015 02:01 karazax wrote: Yeah I definitely liked episode one of Daredevil more than GoT's premiere.
I like the release the whole season at once from a binge watching convenience, but it does make discussion about the show more difficult and some what less interesting. There is no speculation about what will happen next episode, or really breaking down individual episodes for a week like you do with a network show when you can watch them all back to back.
True but I think individual DD episodes are not interesting enough to wait each week for them. They work well as a part of a whole season that you can watch in short time.
I don't think that they aren't interesting enough. It would be more difficult for casual viewers to keep up with with a week delay though. Doesn't really matter since it isn't going to change. It's just harder for me to remember all the details of each individual episode for discussion after the fact when I watch all 13 in a day or two, and it's harder to say how long it's appropriate to spoiler tag details.
I liked the introduction of Stick and build up there. Loved when Matt came face to face with Fisk in the art gallery. Loved the ninja fight vs Nobu in episode 9. Was pretty surprised when Fisk showed up right after Murdock barely survived and then gets discovered by Foggy. I like that Karen flirts some with Foggy, but they didn't go for the stereotypical love triangle. Karen has her own agenda and drive. Karen shooting Wesley was pretty surprising too, and not getting scooped up or even discovered, nor sharing what she did with anyone. Foggy does a great job in the series as a side kick with charisma and humor and likeable enough that even when he is anti-Daredevil, you can empathize with his side. Lots of Marvel universe tie ins in the show. From Karl Crusher Creel, the absorbing man, fighting Matt's dad, to the "Greek girl" Matt dated in college (Electra), to Roxxon Oil, Van Lundt Real estate. Father Lantom is a reoccurring priest in the Marvel universe, working with Cloak and Dagger among others. When the show mentions Kingpin taking over Rigoletto's books, they are giving a nod to the comic origins. Don Rigoletto was a mob boss who first hired Fisk as his bodyguard and enforcer, before Fisk took his life – and his criminal empire along with it. Leland Owlsley is the villain the Owl in the comics. We shall see if he really died from that fall. The markings on the heroine is the symbol on the chest of Iron Fist villain Steel Serpent. St Agnes orphanage is the same one that Skye from Agents of SHIELD was at.
A cameo on the wall for Stan Lee
The only other nitpick that comes to mind is the finale and Fisk allowing himself to be arrested and then arranging the gunning down of his escort into custody with a plan to drive to the helicopter to be flown out. Why allow yourself to be arrested in the first place if you have men on the inside? Maybe he didn't have time to plan his escape before they arrived, but if so then how did he have time to plan the break out and get his men on the inside? Did he whisper to Vanessa to plan that escape? Seems like something that would take a lot more planning than a 5 second whisper would allow for. Why not have the helicopter come to him? It's based on a comic book so none of those nitpicks ruined it for me, but it did stretch the lines of logic in a show that generally approached things in a fairly logical fashion.
I suspect that Madame Gao and Stick will make a reappearance in Iron Fist. Loved the red costume. Overall the season was great and I'm looking forward to more.
Just before police arrest him he says plans have been made to his girl. She didn't plan anything, she was just told to wait by the helicopter. He didn't want the helicopter to come to him because he would risk her and he didn't want that. He would rather go to jail. As he said, it is just an inconvenience.
I'm just saying, if he had time to plan an elaborate and dangerous escape that required men on the inside escorting him, it seems like he could have just avoided getting taken into custody in the first place. It's a nitpick, but it took me out of the story some.
I got the impression that the people who took him were FBI and he didn't have an "inside" man. The whole plan may have been cooked up very quickly. Though that is generally not how law works, but whatever its TV.
My main issue with the last episode is unnecessary flipping by DareDevil. Its one of my pet peeves, so I understand if people don't mind it. Also standing really weird in super hero suits. Just stand like a normal person, it works for Batman. But its the first time we see the suit, so I let it pass because the fight was good.
Would have liked to see the suit used earlier in the episode however. Like when he rescues the dirty cop.
On April 14 2015 02:01 karazax wrote: Yeah I definitely liked episode one of Daredevil more than GoT's premiere.
I like the release the whole season at once from a binge watching convenience, but it does make discussion about the show more difficult and some what less interesting. There is no speculation about what will happen next episode, or really breaking down individual episodes for a week like you do with a network show when you can watch them all back to back.
True but I think individual DD episodes are not interesting enough to wait each week for them. They work well as a part of a whole season that you can watch in short time.
I don't think that they aren't interesting enough. It would be more difficult for casual viewers to keep up with with a week delay though. Doesn't really matter since it isn't going to change. It's just harder for me to remember all the details of each individual episode for discussion after the fact when I watch all 13 in a day or two, and it's harder to say how long it's appropriate to spoiler tag details.
I liked the introduction of Stick and build up there. Loved when Matt came face to face with Fisk in the art gallery. Loved the ninja fight vs Nobu in episode 9. Was pretty surprised when Fisk showed up right after Murdock barely survived and then gets discovered by Foggy. I like that Karen flirts some with Foggy, but they didn't go for the stereotypical love triangle. Karen has her own agenda and drive. Karen shooting Wesley was pretty surprising too, and not getting scooped up or even discovered, nor sharing what she did with anyone. Foggy does a great job in the series as a side kick with charisma and humor and likeable enough that even when he is anti-Daredevil, you can empathize with his side. Lots of Marvel universe tie ins in the show. From Karl Crusher Creel, the absorbing man, fighting Matt's dad, to the "Greek girl" Matt dated in college (Electra), to Roxxon Oil, Van Lundt Real estate. Father Lantom is a reoccurring priest in the Marvel universe, working with Cloak and Dagger among others. When the show mentions Kingpin taking over Rigoletto's books, they are giving a nod to the comic origins. Don Rigoletto was a mob boss who first hired Fisk as his bodyguard and enforcer, before Fisk took his life – and his criminal empire along with it. Leland Owlsley is the villain the Owl in the comics. We shall see if he really died from that fall. The markings on the heroine is the symbol on the chest of Iron Fist villain Steel Serpent. St Agnes orphanage is the same one that Skye from Agents of SHIELD was at.
A cameo on the wall for Stan Lee
The only other nitpick that comes to mind is the finale and Fisk allowing himself to be arrested and then arranging the gunning down of his escort into custody with a plan to drive to the helicopter to be flown out. Why allow yourself to be arrested in the first place if you have men on the inside? Maybe he didn't have time to plan his escape before they arrived, but if so then how did he have time to plan the break out and get his men on the inside? Did he whisper to Vanessa to plan that escape? Seems like something that would take a lot more planning than a 5 second whisper would allow for. Why not have the helicopter come to him? It's based on a comic book so none of those nitpicks ruined it for me, but it did stretch the lines of logic in a show that generally approached things in a fairly logical fashion.
I suspect that Madame Gao and Stick will make a reappearance in Iron Fist. Loved the red costume. Overall the season was great and I'm looking forward to more.
Just before police arrest him he says plans have been made to his girl. She didn't plan anything, she was just told to wait by the helicopter. He didn't want the helicopter to come to him because he would risk her and he didn't want that. He would rather go to jail. As he said, it is just an inconvenience.
I'm just saying, if he had time to plan an elaborate and dangerous escape that required men on the inside escorting him, it seems like he could have just avoided getting taken into custody in the first place. It's a nitpick, but it took me out of the story some.
I got the impression that the people who took him were FBI and he didn't have an "inside" man. The whole plan may have been cooked up very quickly. Though that is generally not how law works, but whatever its TV.
My main issue with the last episode is unnecessary flipping by DareDevil. Its one of my pet peeves, so I understand if people don't mind it. Also standing really weird in super hero suits. Just stand like a normal person, it works for Batman. But its the first time we see the suit, so I let it pass because the fight was good.
Would have liked to see the suit used earlier in the episode however. Like when he rescues the dirty cop.
Yeah, there is in general too much "flipping" but once you accept it the choreo is just really well done. I actually don't remember having seen any fight as "cool" as the one vs the Japanese guy in any western movie (not just series)...
On April 14 2015 02:01 karazax wrote: Yeah I definitely liked episode one of Daredevil more than GoT's premiere.
I like the release the whole season at once from a binge watching convenience, but it does make discussion about the show more difficult and some what less interesting. There is no speculation about what will happen next episode, or really breaking down individual episodes for a week like you do with a network show when you can watch them all back to back.
True but I think individual DD episodes are not interesting enough to wait each week for them. They work well as a part of a whole season that you can watch in short time.
I don't think that they aren't interesting enough. It would be more difficult for casual viewers to keep up with with a week delay though. Doesn't really matter since it isn't going to change. It's just harder for me to remember all the details of each individual episode for discussion after the fact when I watch all 13 in a day or two, and it's harder to say how long it's appropriate to spoiler tag details.
I liked the introduction of Stick and build up there. Loved when Matt came face to face with Fisk in the art gallery. Loved the ninja fight vs Nobu in episode 9. Was pretty surprised when Fisk showed up right after Murdock barely survived and then gets discovered by Foggy. I like that Karen flirts some with Foggy, but they didn't go for the stereotypical love triangle. Karen has her own agenda and drive. Karen shooting Wesley was pretty surprising too, and not getting scooped up or even discovered, nor sharing what she did with anyone. Foggy does a great job in the series as a side kick with charisma and humor and likeable enough that even when he is anti-Daredevil, you can empathize with his side. Lots of Marvel universe tie ins in the show. From Karl Crusher Creel, the absorbing man, fighting Matt's dad, to the "Greek girl" Matt dated in college (Electra), to Roxxon Oil, Van Lundt Real estate. Father Lantom is a reoccurring priest in the Marvel universe, working with Cloak and Dagger among others. When the show mentions Kingpin taking over Rigoletto's books, they are giving a nod to the comic origins. Don Rigoletto was a mob boss who first hired Fisk as his bodyguard and enforcer, before Fisk took his life – and his criminal empire along with it. Leland Owlsley is the villain the Owl in the comics. We shall see if he really died from that fall. The markings on the heroine is the symbol on the chest of Iron Fist villain Steel Serpent. St Agnes orphanage is the same one that Skye from Agents of SHIELD was at.
A cameo on the wall for Stan Lee
The only other nitpick that comes to mind is the finale and Fisk allowing himself to be arrested and then arranging the gunning down of his escort into custody with a plan to drive to the helicopter to be flown out. Why allow yourself to be arrested in the first place if you have men on the inside? Maybe he didn't have time to plan his escape before they arrived, but if so then how did he have time to plan the break out and get his men on the inside? Did he whisper to Vanessa to plan that escape? Seems like something that would take a lot more planning than a 5 second whisper would allow for. Why not have the helicopter come to him? It's based on a comic book so none of those nitpicks ruined it for me, but it did stretch the lines of logic in a show that generally approached things in a fairly logical fashion.
I suspect that Madame Gao and Stick will make a reappearance in Iron Fist. Loved the red costume. Overall the season was great and I'm looking forward to more.
Just before police arrest him he says plans have been made to his girl. She didn't plan anything, she was just told to wait by the helicopter. He didn't want the helicopter to come to him because he would risk her and he didn't want that. He would rather go to jail. As he said, it is just an inconvenience.
I'm just saying, if he had time to plan an elaborate and dangerous escape that required men on the inside escorting him, it seems like he could have just avoided getting taken into custody in the first place. It's a nitpick, but it took me out of the story some.
I got the impression that the people who took him were FBI and he didn't have an "inside" man. The whole plan may have been cooked up very quickly. Though that is generally not how law works, but whatever its TV.
My main issue with the last episode is unnecessary flipping by DareDevil. Its one of my pet peeves, so I understand if people don't mind it. Also standing really weird in super hero suits. Just stand like a normal person, it works for Batman. But its the first time we see the suit, so I let it pass because the fight was good.
Would have liked to see the suit used earlier in the episode however. Like when he rescues the dirty cop.
Yeah, there is in general too much "flipping" but once you accept it the choreo is just really well done. I actually don't remember having seen any fight as "cool" as the one vs the Japanese guy in any western movie (not just series)...
I love a good flip kick or the way he dodges gun fire. It doesn't bother me during a fight. It’s the flipping to enter a scene or get off a 6 foot tall object that he could just jump down from that drives me nuts.
It is 100% my pet peeve and I know it doesn't bother other people. I really enjoyed the series and that is my big only complaint. I really want them to do more and with more budget and more cross overs from other Marvel stuff. If Spiderman showed up for a couple of episodes, I would die.
On April 14 2015 02:01 karazax wrote: Yeah I definitely liked episode one of Daredevil more than GoT's premiere.
I like the release the whole season at once from a binge watching convenience, but it does make discussion about the show more difficult and some what less interesting. There is no speculation about what will happen next episode, or really breaking down individual episodes for a week like you do with a network show when you can watch them all back to back.
True but I think individual DD episodes are not interesting enough to wait each week for them. They work well as a part of a whole season that you can watch in short time.
I don't think that they aren't interesting enough. It would be more difficult for casual viewers to keep up with with a week delay though. Doesn't really matter since it isn't going to change. It's just harder for me to remember all the details of each individual episode for discussion after the fact when I watch all 13 in a day or two, and it's harder to say how long it's appropriate to spoiler tag details.
I liked the introduction of Stick and build up there. Loved when Matt came face to face with Fisk in the art gallery. Loved the ninja fight vs Nobu in episode 9. Was pretty surprised when Fisk showed up right after Murdock barely survived and then gets discovered by Foggy. I like that Karen flirts some with Foggy, but they didn't go for the stereotypical love triangle. Karen has her own agenda and drive. Karen shooting Wesley was pretty surprising too, and not getting scooped up or even discovered, nor sharing what she did with anyone. Foggy does a great job in the series as a side kick with charisma and humor and likeable enough that even when he is anti-Daredevil, you can empathize with his side. Lots of Marvel universe tie ins in the show. From Karl Crusher Creel, the absorbing man, fighting Matt's dad, to the "Greek girl" Matt dated in college (Electra), to Roxxon Oil, Van Lundt Real estate. Father Lantom is a reoccurring priest in the Marvel universe, working with Cloak and Dagger among others. When the show mentions Kingpin taking over Rigoletto's books, they are giving a nod to the comic origins. Don Rigoletto was a mob boss who first hired Fisk as his bodyguard and enforcer, before Fisk took his life – and his criminal empire along with it. Leland Owlsley is the villain the Owl in the comics. We shall see if he really died from that fall. The markings on the heroine is the symbol on the chest of Iron Fist villain Steel Serpent. St Agnes orphanage is the same one that Skye from Agents of SHIELD was at.
A cameo on the wall for Stan Lee
The only other nitpick that comes to mind is the finale and Fisk allowing himself to be arrested and then arranging the gunning down of his escort into custody with a plan to drive to the helicopter to be flown out. Why allow yourself to be arrested in the first place if you have men on the inside? Maybe he didn't have time to plan his escape before they arrived, but if so then how did he have time to plan the break out and get his men on the inside? Did he whisper to Vanessa to plan that escape? Seems like something that would take a lot more planning than a 5 second whisper would allow for. Why not have the helicopter come to him? It's based on a comic book so none of those nitpicks ruined it for me, but it did stretch the lines of logic in a show that generally approached things in a fairly logical fashion.
I suspect that Madame Gao and Stick will make a reappearance in Iron Fist. Loved the red costume. Overall the season was great and I'm looking forward to more.
Just before police arrest him he says plans have been made to his girl. She didn't plan anything, she was just told to wait by the helicopter. He didn't want the helicopter to come to him because he would risk her and he didn't want that. He would rather go to jail. As he said, it is just an inconvenience.
I'm just saying, if he had time to plan an elaborate and dangerous escape that required men on the inside escorting him, it seems like he could have just avoided getting taken into custody in the first place. It's a nitpick, but it took me out of the story some.
I got the impression that the people who took him were FBI and he didn't have an "inside" man. The whole plan may have been cooked up very quickly. Though that is generally not how law works, but whatever its TV.
My main issue with the last episode is unnecessary flipping by DareDevil. Its one of my pet peeves, so I understand if people don't mind it. Also standing really weird in super hero suits. Just stand like a normal person, it works for Batman. But its the first time we see the suit, so I let it pass because the fight was good.
Would have liked to see the suit used earlier in the episode however. Like when he rescues the dirty cop.
Yeah, there is in general too much "flipping" but once you accept it the choreo is just really well done. I actually don't remember having seen any fight as "cool" as the one vs the Japanese guy in any western movie (not just series)...
I love a good flip kick or the way he dodges gun fire. It doesn't bother me during a fight. It’s the flipping to enter a scene or get off a 6 foot tall object that he could just jump down from that drives me nuts.
It is 100% my pet peeve and I know it doesn't bother other people. I really enjoyed the series and that is my big only complaint. I really want them to do more and with more budget and more cross overs from other Marvel stuff. If Spiderman showed up for a couple of episodes, I would die.
Only time I didn't like his flipping was during his following the chinese by running on rooftops. All the flipping during combat or by coming to the scene has a reason, more intimidating and I would guess easier to balance after the fall. And during combat flipping confuses his enemies as they are not used to fighting anyone that does that.
DareDevil and Spiderman have always had good cross over stories, since they are both New York based and are close in “power level”. They always make good buddy cop drama because Spiderman does not take things seriously and DareDevil is so brooding.
On April 14 2015 02:01 karazax wrote: Yeah I definitely liked episode one of Daredevil more than GoT's premiere.
I like the release the whole season at once from a binge watching convenience, but it does make discussion about the show more difficult and some what less interesting. There is no speculation about what will happen next episode, or really breaking down individual episodes for a week like you do with a network show when you can watch them all back to back.
True but I think individual DD episodes are not interesting enough to wait each week for them. They work well as a part of a whole season that you can watch in short time.
I don't think that they aren't interesting enough. It would be more difficult for casual viewers to keep up with with a week delay though. Doesn't really matter since it isn't going to change. It's just harder for me to remember all the details of each individual episode for discussion after the fact when I watch all 13 in a day or two, and it's harder to say how long it's appropriate to spoiler tag details.
I liked the introduction of Stick and build up there. Loved when Matt came face to face with Fisk in the art gallery. Loved the ninja fight vs Nobu in episode 9. Was pretty surprised when Fisk showed up right after Murdock barely survived and then gets discovered by Foggy. I like that Karen flirts some with Foggy, but they didn't go for the stereotypical love triangle. Karen has her own agenda and drive. Karen shooting Wesley was pretty surprising too, and not getting scooped up or even discovered, nor sharing what she did with anyone. Foggy does a great job in the series as a side kick with charisma and humor and likeable enough that even when he is anti-Daredevil, you can empathize with his side. Lots of Marvel universe tie ins in the show. From Karl Crusher Creel, the absorbing man, fighting Matt's dad, to the "Greek girl" Matt dated in college (Electra), to Roxxon Oil, Van Lundt Real estate. Father Lantom is a reoccurring priest in the Marvel universe, working with Cloak and Dagger among others. When the show mentions Kingpin taking over Rigoletto's books, they are giving a nod to the comic origins. Don Rigoletto was a mob boss who first hired Fisk as his bodyguard and enforcer, before Fisk took his life – and his criminal empire along with it. Leland Owlsley is the villain the Owl in the comics. We shall see if he really died from that fall. The markings on the heroine is the symbol on the chest of Iron Fist villain Steel Serpent. St Agnes orphanage is the same one that Skye from Agents of SHIELD was at.
A cameo on the wall for Stan Lee
The only other nitpick that comes to mind is the finale and Fisk allowing himself to be arrested and then arranging the gunning down of his escort into custody with a plan to drive to the helicopter to be flown out. Why allow yourself to be arrested in the first place if you have men on the inside? Maybe he didn't have time to plan his escape before they arrived, but if so then how did he have time to plan the break out and get his men on the inside? Did he whisper to Vanessa to plan that escape? Seems like something that would take a lot more planning than a 5 second whisper would allow for. Why not have the helicopter come to him? It's based on a comic book so none of those nitpicks ruined it for me, but it did stretch the lines of logic in a show that generally approached things in a fairly logical fashion.
I suspect that Madame Gao and Stick will make a reappearance in Iron Fist. Loved the red costume. Overall the season was great and I'm looking forward to more.
Just before police arrest him he says plans have been made to his girl. She didn't plan anything, she was just told to wait by the helicopter. He didn't want the helicopter to come to him because he would risk her and he didn't want that. He would rather go to jail. As he said, it is just an inconvenience.
I'm just saying, if he had time to plan an elaborate and dangerous escape that required men on the inside escorting him, it seems like he could have just avoided getting taken into custody in the first place. It's a nitpick, but it took me out of the story some.
I got the impression that the people who took him were FBI and he didn't have an "inside" man. The whole plan may have been cooked up very quickly. Though that is generally not how law works, but whatever its TV.
My main issue with the last episode is unnecessary flipping by DareDevil. Its one of my pet peeves, so I understand if people don't mind it. Also standing really weird in super hero suits. Just stand like a normal person, it works for Batman. But its the first time we see the suit, so I let it pass because the fight was good.
Would have liked to see the suit used earlier in the episode however. Like when he rescues the dirty cop.
He defintely had at least one inside guy, the guard who shot the other FBI agent inside the van and uncuffed Fisk. I only watched it once, so I wasn't 100% clear where the other swat team dressed guys came from.
I agree that the flipping on the rooftop chase scene was a bit silly. I don't mind it at all in the fights.
Still overall I liked the series a lot and looking forward to more.
Am I the only one who disliked the suit? I thought he looked way better with his black mask, but that just may be because there were so many badass fight scenes with him wearing it. The acting felt kind of off when he was in red though. A thought did occur to me that I prefer the black mask over his red suit because it reminds me of Illidan.
Am I the only one who disliked the suit? I thought he looked way better with his black mask, but that just may be because there were so many badass fight scenes with him wearing it. The acting felt kind of off when he was in red though. A thought did occur to me that I prefer the black mask over his red suit because it reminds me of Illidan.
Of course you prefer black when you spend 12.5 hours watching him wear that and then suddenly for 10 minutes wearing a red suit. Next season you will get used to it.
Overall I really like the show. However I am currently skipping every scene involving the "side kick" or the token damsel. I'm sure their arc will get interesting eventually but right now.. ugh.
On April 16 2015 17:14 zbedlam wrote: Overall I really like the show. However I am currently skipping every scene involving the "side kick" or the token damsel. I'm sure their arc will get interesting eventually but right now.. ugh.
Personally I liked them a lot but not everyone likes same things for sure. I don't know which episode you are on, but Karen is not a token damsel in this show (except in Ep1).
Yeah, i actually liked how they put in the sidekicks... Way better handled/done than in Arrow, they actually seem to have "actual" own personalities and aren't just "good guys for being good guys" or "Girl sidekick for boobs".
On April 16 2015 17:47 Velr wrote: Yeah, i actually liked how they put in the sidekicks... Way better handled/done than in Arrow, they actually seem to have "actual" own personalities and aren't just "good guys for being good guys" or "Girl sidekick for boobs".
On April 14 2015 05:22 Acrofales wrote: Didn't read the comics, and got up to episode 6 so far. But is Daredevil really supposed to be this blatant of a ripoff of the dark knight portrayal of Batman?
Hell I joked to my girlfriend that he is more batlike than Batman with supersenses instead of sight. Anyway, many of the themes from Batman seem to play a similarly dominant role: whether killing is ever justified, what distinguishes the bad guy from the good guy, and the whole dark city theme (Gotham or Hell's Kitchen: both are portrayals of the seedy underbelly of New York). Now in Ep. 6 Fisk sets him up as the bad guy, it feels a lot like a rehash of Batman, but by Marvel instead of DC.
PS. This season of Arrow apparently also ran out of inspiration and are using Batman plots there too (but in a completely retarded way). So between that and this, Gotham is actually the least batmanny of the comic book series!
Yep, I liked the start but plot-wise it's turning into another Arrow (save this city, can't have friends...). I hope they keep up the choreography in the second season, Arrow went down the drain fast in that aspect.
I was just listening to a media podcast about the show and they did point out one thing. The following lines needed to be deleted from all future comic book movies, series forever:
“I can’t be the man this city needs,” and all its variations. “We are not so different, you and I,” and all its variations.
They are done, can never be used again. Writers need to find new words.
PS: just to be clear, Daredevil was Batman before Batman was Batman. He is the original dark gritty street level hero.
I just couldn't buy Fisk's character. Don't get me wrong, Vincent D'Onofrio kills the role, acting is perfect there. But, we get the impression that he's this ruthless, cold, calculating dude, but the only exposure we have to him in the show is when he starts with Vanessa. And after that point, he's an emotional manchild. "You interrupted my date, I'm going to kill you!" "You talked to my mommy, I'm going to kill you!" "My girlfriend is in the hospital, I'm going to ignore everyone and everything!" "My friend is dead, I'm going to kill everyone!"
It's not bad, per se, but I have trouble believing this is the guy who managed to take control of an entire city and ran an extensive criminal organization when he can't handle a single dinner date going poorly. I kept expecting Wesley or Owlsley to reveal themselves as the true brains behind the operation, because every time I saw Fisk, I didn't see someone who was capable of it.
Other than that, I loved it. Casting is perfect, cinematography is top notch, probably the best choreographed fight scenes I've seen in ages, and all the dialogue felt good, very little felt forced or just for blatant exposition. Can't wait for the rest of the Defenders, or just S2 of this :D
I just couldn't buy Fisk's character. Don't get me wrong, Vincent D'Onofrio kills the role, acting is perfect there. But, we get the impression that he's this ruthless, cold, calculating dude, but the only exposure we have to him in the show is when he starts with Vanessa. And after that point, he's an emotional manchild. "You interrupted my date, I'm going to kill you!" "You talked to my mommy, I'm going to kill you!" "My girlfriend is in the hospital, I'm going to ignore everyone and everything!" "My friend is dead, I'm going to kill everyone!"
It's not bad, per se, but I have trouble believing this is the guy who managed to take control of an entire city and ran an extensive criminal organization when he can't handle a single dinner date going poorly. I kept expecting Wesley or Owlsley to reveal themselves as the true brains behind the operation, because every time I saw Fisk, I didn't see someone who was capable of it.
Other than that, I loved it. Casting is perfect, cinematography is top notch, probably the best choreographed fight scenes I've seen in ages, and all the dialogue felt good, very little felt forced or just for blatant exposition. Can't wait for the rest of the Defenders, or just S2 of this :D
I think they wanted to show fisk having trouble facing his past (emotionally compromised/being used to having control of his operation) I think kingpin will comeback as someone far more ruthless because now he knows that he cant operate in the dark and in the light, which is what proved to be his downfall.
I just couldn't buy Fisk's character. Don't get me wrong, Vincent D'Onofrio kills the role, acting is perfect there. But, we get the impression that he's this ruthless, cold, calculating dude, but the only exposure we have to him in the show is when he starts with Vanessa. And after that point, he's an emotional manchild. "You interrupted my date, I'm going to kill you!" "You talked to my mommy, I'm going to kill you!" "My girlfriend is in the hospital, I'm going to ignore everyone and everything!" "My friend is dead, I'm going to kill everyone!"
It's not bad, per se, but I have trouble believing this is the guy who managed to take control of an entire city and ran an extensive criminal organization when he can't handle a single dinner date going poorly. I kept expecting Wesley or Owlsley to reveal themselves as the true brains behind the operation, because every time I saw Fisk, I didn't see someone who was capable of it.
Other than that, I loved it. Casting is perfect, cinematography is top notch, probably the best choreographed fight scenes I've seen in ages, and all the dialogue felt good, very little felt forced or just for blatant exposition. Can't wait for the rest of the Defenders, or just S2 of this :D
I disagree with your perception. I think early on when Fisk + Show Spoiler +
takes that dude's head off
we are meant to see that Fisk is only cool on the surface. His rage/temper is an integral part of his character from the beginning. It is very possible to be a mastermind and also have a temper problem. Also not a comic book reader but that is my take.
I did think they needed to spend more time on the relationship between Fisk and Vanessa. It was a bit unconvincing to me. She quickly sold into the idea of his operations without any explanation of why.
First and foremost, Foggy, will always be Fulton Reed from the Mighty Ducks in my head. They should have given him a + Show Spoiler +
hockey stick in lieu of the bat he briefly wields. Good reference, and the character himself, was punny one offs anyway and said, "We are lawyers," more times than I cared to count in just 13 episodes
I know the Daredevil is not likely high up on most comic readers's lists as tip top favorite super heroes, but I think the series on the whole did a good job pulling away from the 2003 Affleck interpretation, and really cleansing the palate of what was in my opinion an attempt too early done, and too bloated for a character not beloved enough to succeed in the Marvel universe.
2003 Daredevil was almost Spiderman 3 but done 4 years earlier and without the stuff that people loved about the books, namely that if you asked someone who Spidey was, they would actually know.
The thing about this show that I am still on the fence about is the combat. Not the choreography or any of that, but what are we as the audience supposed to assume about Murdock's actual abilities? On the one hand, he can take on Stick and Nobu with a great amount of effort, on the other Fisk, who is only shown to be a Zangeif like fighter some way into the series, it seems like they had to do something like that to make the inevitable 1v1 viable when they've set a reasonably high bar for competition.
That kind of bothered me though not to the point of not enjoying the series so far. I also liked that fatigue actually seemed to factor in some (there are obvious asterisks), and they stuck with the fact that Murdocks are really good at getting the shit beat out of them. It wasn't the Batman stumble forward, or Spidey taking a manhole cover to the face, then he's back at 100% that is so common these day.
Final point, I think casting Vincent D'Onofrio as Fisk was a spot of brilliance and gives me a great deal of hope that they will be able to attract solid, reputable actors for next season.
Please god, just let them stop having people speak Chinese, I studied it for 5+ years and lived there, it pained me every time he stuttered a sentence.
Just binged on this, and I thought it was great. Amazing, even. Really solid show.
But now, I am sort of sad. There seems to be no hint whatsoever regarding a second season. But on the other hand, I feel like they set up so much? I don't know the story of Daredevil (never read the comics, might now), but there were obvious scenes which pertained to other characters. The entire Stick arc, for one, and also the Chinese old lady.
And they really nailed the cast. Cox is perfect as Daredevil, he just IS the part. I agree about D'Onofrio too. I really want more
Someone on the inside tell me there is more! There will be more, I know it! Right? ...Right??
I loved Fisk as a villain and every second of screen time was worth it. I was a real fan of the angle of giving the villain a secret identity. Fisk is a unique villain in that he wears a "mask" for the same reasons the heroes do. He does it to protect his loved ones, and faces the same challenges Matt, Arrow and Flash in reconciling the two parts of who they are.
The identity scenes could easily be swapped for your stereotypical hero. Revealing himself to Vanessa, Matt meeting Vanessa, Vanessa getting hurt, hiding of his mother, Chinese lady finding where he lives because he's sloppy all parallel the powerful moments heroes have to endure. I just cant say enough how well the script portrayed Kingpin.
On April 20 2015 07:19 Spaylz wrote: Just binged on this, and I thought it was great. Amazing, even. Really solid show.
But now, I am sort of sad. There seems to be no hint whatsoever regarding a second season. But on the other hand, I feel like they set up so much? I don't know the story of Daredevil (never read the comics, might now), but there were obvious scenes which pertained to other characters. The entire Stick arc, for one, and also the Chinese old lady.
And they really nailed the cast. Cox is perfect as Daredevil, he just IS the part. I agree about D'Onofrio too. I really want more
Someone on the inside tell me there is more! There will be more, I know it! Right? ...Right??
All Netflix series renewals depend on the viewership numbers, but based on the success so far I would be shocked if there isn't more seasons. You don't pay for the rights to Daredevil and only do one season unless it tanks. That being said there hasn't been any official renewal announcement yet. Perhaps they want all 4 shows out before they start thinking season 2, but I would think the need to lock up actors would require making a decision in a timely manner.
On April 20 2015 07:19 Spaylz wrote: Just binged on this, and I thought it was great. Amazing, even. Really solid show.
But now, I am sort of sad. There seems to be no hint whatsoever regarding a second season. But on the other hand, I feel like they set up so much? I don't know the story of Daredevil (never read the comics, might now), but there were obvious scenes which pertained to other characters. The entire Stick arc, for one, and also the Chinese old lady.
And they really nailed the cast. Cox is perfect as Daredevil, he just IS the part. I agree about D'Onofrio too. I really want more
Someone on the inside tell me there is more! There will be more, I know it! Right? ...Right??
All Netflix series renewals depend on the viewership numbers, but based on the success so far I would be shocked if there isn't more seasons. You don't pay for the rights to Daredevil and only do one season unless it tanks. That being said there hasn't been any official renewal announcement yet. Perhaps they want all 4 shows out before they start thinking season 2, but I would think the need to lock up actors would require making a decision in a timely manner.
Pretty sure there is already a movie in the works?
I would be surprised if there wasn't a second season, the rave reviews are gonna help for sure.
The one thing I disliked about the story is that, in my opinion, Wesley's death was extremely silly. I was genuinely shocked when she fired the gun and it was actually loaded. That is honestly such a gross oversight and major mistake to make. Doesn't feel like something Wesley would do, so it felt very odd to me.
The one thing I disliked about the story is that, in my opinion, Wesley's death was extremely silly. I was genuinely shocked when she fired the gun and it was actually loaded. That is honestly such a gross oversight and major mistake to make. Doesn't feel like something Wesley would do, so it felt very odd to me.
Wesley was planning to kill her, so that is why it was loaded. Also he underestimated her due to his own lack of experience in doing these kind of things directly. He is a glorified secretary for Fisk, not a hardcore criminal
Looks like the plan is to tie DD into the MCU sooner rather than later.
DD is already tied into MCU. In the show they mention the alien attack on NYC and they mention an ironsuit and a magical hammer.
More accurately put, crossing major heroes over into the Daredevil off chute then, I wasn't always sober, or paying 100% attention over the binge, must have missed that.
Looks like the plan is to tie DD into the MCU sooner rather than later.
DD is already tied into MCU. In the show they mention the alien attack on NYC and they mention an ironsuit and a magical hammer.
More accurately put, crossing major heroes over into the Daredevil off chute then, I wasn't always sober, or paying 100% attention over the binge, must have missed that.
Daredevil is a major hero as far as popularity goes. But if you mean by their power compared to others in that world he is not and he does not need any of those in DD show because it will become just as silly as Arrow/Flash and the rest.
Looks like the plan is to tie DD into the MCU sooner rather than later.
DD is already tied into MCU. In the show they mention the alien attack on NYC and they mention an ironsuit and a magical hammer.
More accurately put, crossing major heroes over into the Daredevil off chute then, I wasn't always sober, or paying 100% attention over the binge, must have missed that.
Daredevil is a major hero as far as popularity goes. But if you mean by their power compared to others in that world he is not and he does not need any of those in DD show because it will become just as silly as Arrow/Flash and the rest.
I would argue that Daredevil is a comparatively minor superhero, by all accounts. Power, stated scope of purpose. I mean Hells Kitchen now, is a pretty poor setting to try and improve. West Manhattan isn't exactly what it used to be in terms of New York Slums now, which is something that isn't exactly touched upon given the modern setting.
On a good day DD, is a Code A for popular super heroes, above Dazzler, on par with Dr. Strange depending on which MCU came out that Summer. If you read or even dabble in comics sure you know who he is, but I would say most people today know him because of the Affleck movie than Miller's Daredevil or more popular Trade Paperbacks.
I agree they are running the risk of Flashing/Arrowing the series by involving other heroes directly into DD's microverse of NYC, but at least they have the advantage of not being on the CW. Your location says Croatia, so if you didn't know that network has a reputation for being kind of mushy, recycling actors, and being rather lazy at times. Lets put it this way its great if you want to watch pretty people and high levels of sexual tension, I personally think DC made a mistake putting both shows on the CW.
It'll be interesting regardless next season, as I believe this is the first cross over between a hero with an existing movie franchise, and even more interesting that they aren't involving Peter Parker as Spiderman.
Spiderman and Daredevil have run around together before and their cross over makes the most sense. A lot of Spiderman villains are just normal people with a suit/trick that they can do and that is about it. The Kingpin is also a Spiderman villain and they run into each other a lot.
Edit: in the new Marvel timeline releasing soon they are going to have Peter Parker as married with a daughter Spiderman and Miles as Teenage Spiderman. The best of both worlds.
On April 20 2015 21:55 Plansix wrote: Spiderman and Daredevil have run around together before and their cross over makes the most sense. A lot of Spiderman villains are just normal people with a suit/trick that they can do and that is about it. The Kingpin is also a Spiderman villain and they run into each other a lot.
Edit: in the new Marvel timeline releasing soon they are going to have Peter Parker as married with a daughter Spiderman and Miles as Teenage Spiderman. The best of both worlds.
They had some options for sure. Spidey is probably the best considering. The Avengers feels like the flagship title at this point and time, you can't spoil Strange before Cumberbatch touches it, and The F4 are a bit goofy/not dark enough; they are still rocking those white punisher boots.
I started watching it a second time and I wonder something, who is the lady his dad calls before the fight that gets him killed? I assume is his mother but since apparently he grew up in an orphanage and not with his mom, either she's a terrible parent or it was someone who took care of him without making themselves present. Not a big comic book reader so wonder if one of you guys know who that was and why we never really see them.
The one thing I disliked about the story is that, in my opinion, Wesley's death was extremely silly. I was genuinely shocked when she fired the gun and it was actually loaded. That is honestly such a gross oversight and major mistake to make. Doesn't feel like something Wesley would do, so it felt very odd to me.
Wesley was planning to kill her, so that is why it was loaded. Also he underestimated her due to his own lack of experience in doing these kind of things directly. He is a glorified secretary for Fisk, not a hardcore criminal
Something I think i might have missed while watching, she asked "you think i've never fired a gun before?," then shot pretty calmly and accurately, and even wiped prints off. I assumed it was just bravado, but then very shortly after they had a scene where she was with urich, and they kept mentioning something in her past that he found "almost immediately" which altered his perspective on her or something.
Does she have some shady past which we don't really know about yet, or am i just misremembering/misinterpreting?
The one thing I disliked about the story is that, in my opinion, Wesley's death was extremely silly. I was genuinely shocked when she fired the gun and it was actually loaded. That is honestly such a gross oversight and major mistake to make. Doesn't feel like something Wesley would do, so it felt very odd to me.
Wesley was planning to kill her, so that is why it was loaded. Also he underestimated her due to his own lack of experience in doing these kind of things directly. He is a glorified secretary for Fisk, not a hardcore criminal
Something I think i might have missed while watching, she asked "you think i've never fired a gun before?," then shot pretty calmly and accurately, and even wiped prints off. I assumed it was just bravado, but then very shortly after they had a scene where she was with urich, and they kept mentioning something in her past that he found "almost immediately" which altered his perspective on her or something.
Does she have some shady past which we don't really know about yet, or am i just misremembering/misinterpreting?
I thought that was one of the better moments. No stereotypical Daredevil has to save her scenario. No Karin stealing the gun and then foolishly losing control of it some how. Westley was careless and he died. Considering that's something she didn't share with anyone else despite the fact that she was kidnapped and completely in her rights to do what she did, and the fact that there were no repercussions so far, means it no doubt will be a story line that continues next season.
On April 21 2015 02:43 TanKLoveR wrote: I started watching it a second time and I wonder something, who is the lady his dad calls before the fight that gets him killed? I assume is his mother but since apparently he grew up in an orphanage and not with his mom, either she's a terrible parent or it was someone who took care of him without making themselves present. Not a big comic book reader so wonder if one of you guys know who that was and why we never really see them.
On April 21 2015 02:43 TanKLoveR wrote: I started watching it a second time and I wonder something, who is the lady his dad calls before the fight that gets him killed? I assume is his mother but since apparently he grew up in an orphanage and not with his mom, either she's a terrible parent or it was someone who took care of him without making themselves present. Not a big comic book reader so wonder if one of you guys know who that was and why we never really see them.
Didn't he just call his bookie?
He called his bookie, but he also called presumably Matt's mother. He said that he would need her more than ever, ect. It sounded like he was leaving a message. No explanation on what her response was, but either she refused, or passed away/lost custody sometime in between his dad's death and his time in the orphanage.
YES! He called her after he called his bookie, he left a message pretty much asking her to take care of him because he wasn't going to be able to do so any more. It kinda bothers me that they never really mentioned what happened with that at any point in the show, but hey maybe I missed something or you guys know something from the comic books. He also never mentions his mother, either she never was a part of his life or she was really terrible.
I watched the show over a week or so, I enjoyed it a fair bit and found it very compelling. I guess these are kind of spoilery so I'm throwing them in tags. + Show Spoiler +
Like many of you, I don't really have any deal-breaking complaints, but a few things in the show kinda felt rushed or just left to one side in ways that I don't really respond to well. Some people don't mind things such as the mysterious guy Stick talked to, but for me, it almost feels like it was just shoved in there and left. It's obviously going to come back later, but now I know how those who didn't know Thanos felt. Another one was Gao saying she's from really far away. A subtle hint that I'm sure is great for those in the know, but for the rest of us, is just kind of left hanging without any real intrigue. A third is Black Sky. That kid was a black sky. It happened, it was completely forgotten.
Other things, the fact that Claire is barely around after a certain point was weird to me. They just got the chemistry really going and then she doesn't show up for a while. That seemed to happen with a lot of characters I liked a lot, they felt underused in many ways. This sort of removed some of the depth for me. Instead of a big complex web of characters, it was really just a few. Then other things got cleared up really quickly. The Russians, Japanese and the Heroin ring all just dissolve almost immediately when the time comes.
I wasn't a huge fan of the random language usage in the middle few eps either. Having Karen speaking all that Spanish from "high school" and then the scenes in Mandarin were just kind of awkward for me, especially after we knew Gao spoke English. From an acting perspective, it's better to have everything in English for the audience and the actors. Also having Fisk know Mandarin and Japanese without any real explanation, I would like to know more about him in that sense.
Finally in the niggles front, I still don't really know what Fisk's goal/endgame/plan even really was. Russians were distributing the Chinese Heroin and the Japanese had something with houses. Like I don't know what his business was or what his goals were. When he came out in public he was just called a philanthropist. I mean really, I don't know what Fisk was gaining from working with those people and what he was working towards. Was he just planning to "take over" Hell's Kitchen in a generic way or what? What was he doing?
Anyway, I loved Leland in the show. Great character acted wonderfully. A catty old accountant is something I apparently always wanted to see.
Liked the series a lot. I'd really like to see Punisher come into play in a possible next season, as he is somewhat of an antithesis to Daredevil (DD wants to bring villains before the law, Punisher punishes them himself).
On April 21 2015 08:30 Flicky wrote: I watched the show over a week or so, I enjoyed it a fair bit and found it very compelling. I guess these are kind of spoilery so I'm throwing them in tags. + Show Spoiler +
Like many of you, I don't really have any deal-breaking complaints, but a few things in the show kinda felt rushed or just left to one side in ways that I don't really respond to well. Some people don't mind things such as the mysterious guy Stick talked to, but for me, it almost feels like it was just shoved in there and left. It's obviously going to come back later, but now I know how those who didn't know Thanos felt. Another one was Gao saying she's from really far away. A subtle hint that I'm sure is great for those in the know, but for the rest of us, is just kind of left hanging without any real intrigue. A third is Black Sky. That kid was a black sky. It happened, it was completely forgotten.
Other things, the fact that Claire is barely around after a certain point was weird to me. They just got the chemistry really going and then she doesn't show up for a while. That seemed to happen with a lot of characters I liked a lot, they felt underused in many ways. This sort of removed some of the depth for me. Instead of a big complex web of characters, it was really just a few. Then other things got cleared up really quickly. The Russians, Japanese and the Heroin ring all just dissolve almost immediately when the time comes.
I wasn't a huge fan of the random language usage in the middle few eps either. Having Karen speaking all that Spanish from "high school" and then the scenes in Mandarin were just kind of awkward for me, especially after we knew Gao spoke English. From an acting perspective, it's better to have everything in English for the audience and the actors. Also having Fisk know Mandarin and Japanese without any real explanation, I would like to know more about him in that sense.
Finally in the niggles front, I still don't really know what Fisk's goal/endgame/plan even really was. Russians were distributing the Chinese Heroin and the Japanese had something with houses. Like I don't know what his business was or what his goals were. When he came out in public he was just called a philanthropist. I mean really, I don't know what Fisk was gaining from working with those people and what he was working towards. Was he just planning to "take over" Hell's Kitchen in a generic way or what? What was he doing?
Anyway, I loved Leland in the show. Great character acted wonderfully. A catty old accountant is something I apparently always wanted to see.
NETFLIX ORDERS A SECOND SEASON OF 'MARVEL'S DAREDEVIL' The Man Without Fear's adventures will continue in another season of 'Marvel's Daredevil,' coming only to Netflix in 2016!
Marvel and Netflix are proud to announce that "Marvel's Daredevil" will receive a second season, available only on the streaming service in 2016!
With the first season of "Marvel's Daredevil" proving a smash success with both audiences and critics, Netflix and Marvel will continue to create further adventures of the Man Without Fear! Doug Petrie ("Buffy the Vampire Slayer," "American Horror Story") and Marco Ramirez ("Sons of Anarchy"), who worked closely with Executive Producers Steven S. DeKnight and Drew Goddard during the first season, will serve as showrunners for Season 2. Petrie, Ramirez, Goddard ("Cabin in the Woods"), and Jeph Loeb ("Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.") will serve as Executive Producers of Season 2.
“While previous commitments unfortunately prevent me from continuing on with Daredevil into its second season," DeKnight explains, "I could not be happier that Doug Petrie and Marco Ramirez are carrying the torch. They were invaluable collaborators during our first season, and I for one can't wait to see what they do with the show moving forward."
"Marvel's Daredevil" is produced by Marvel Television in association with ABC Studios for Netflix.
"Marvel's A.K.A. Jessica Jones" comes only to Netflix later this year and "Marvel's Luke Cage" premieres on the streaming service in 2016. Future series exclusively debuting on Netflix include “Marvel’s Iron Fist” and “Marvel’s Defenders,” a mini-series event that reimagines a team of self-sacrificing, heroic characters.
Blinded as a young boy but imbued with extraordinary senses, Matt Murdock (Charlie Cox) fights against injustice by day as a lawyer, and by night as the Super Hero “Daredevil” in modern day Hell's Kitchen, New York City. "Marvel's Daredevil" stars Charlie Cox, Rosario Dawson, Vincent D’Onofrio, Deborah Ann Woll, Elden Henson, Scott Glenn, Bob Gunton, Toby Leonard Moore, Vondie Curtis Hall, Ayelet Zurer.
Very excited for season 2 and the inclusion of endless ninjas and less painful Chinese. And maybe less stupid posing in the suit. Just stand like a normal person and let the body armor make you look cool.
On April 22 2015 22:19 Plansix wrote: Very excited for season 2 and the inclusion of endless ninjas and less painful Chinese. And maybe less stupid posing in the suit. Just stand like a normal person and let the body armor make you look cool.
Normal people stand differently when in battle positions and also those positions depend on fighting style.
On April 22 2015 22:19 Plansix wrote: Very excited for season 2 and the inclusion of endless ninjas and less painful Chinese. And maybe less stupid posing in the suit. Just stand like a normal person and let the body armor make you look cool.
Normal people stand differently when in battle positions and also those positions depend on fighting style.
I am talking about the generic, super hero puffed out arms pose. He does it when he is standing on the van during the last episode. And a couple other times. The whole series he walks like a normal person and stands, even in his fighting outfit and I just want more of that. I really prize when actors just act natural in their super costumes, rather than someone trying to do an impression of what they think a super hero is.
I love the series and I am sure they will figure it out with the DareDevil outfit in season 2. It was one episode and the one and only time they feature the suit.
Yes, its one of my pet peeves in super hero adaptations, along with useless flipping. I get they want the hero shot and I am all for that, but once he starts walking round with his chest puffed out like a pro wrestler, its breaks it me.
Its like when they have to adapt Spiderman to the big screen and its hard to make him emote under the mask. Same with villains like Ultron, so they redesign him to have a movable face that can emote. Some things work better in a still frame, but don't translate well onto the screen.
Well, just finished the season. One of the best shows I've seen in a while (well, with Better Call Saul, in a very different genre).
Couple minor flaws here and there--I do agree with Plansix about how Cox should stick to acting natural instead of all superhero-like, though I guess the director wanted to give the ending an epic tone--but almost everything was amazing, writing, casting, character development, fights.
Best superhero show by miles as far as I'm concerned. Can't wait for S2.
I live in EU (netflix started at ~oct 2014 here) and I have a question. If I watch netflix on my pc, does it mean I can never watch movies outside that pc? (ps3, smartphone, etc). Ofc I dont mean watching a movie on two devices in the same time.
On April 28 2015 03:06 Dingodile wrote: I live in EU (netflix started at ~oct 2014 here) and I have a question. If I watch netflix on my pc, does it mean I can never watch movies outside that pc? (ps3, smartphone, etc). Ofc I dont mean watching a movie on two devices in the same time.
You should be able to just log in and it won't matter which device you're on. The business model in the US is you pay per number of screens, so I can have two screens watching two different shows for $X.XX, I don't know if they changed that.
Netflix is pretty loose about it though, I mean I can VPN into the UK and change what is available to watch if I want and that is using an account bought and billed in the US.
On April 30 2015 03:17 karazax wrote: I'd like to see Daredevil appear in the Captain America Civil War movie.
I'd like for Captain America: Civil War (and other upcoming superhero movies) production/writing/cast/plot quality to be on par with DD...
I guess dark and gritty is the new thing, so my hopes are up.
Proof:
Yes, your eyes aren't deceiving you. This is Jason Momoa aka Khal Drogo aka Conan the Barbarian as Aquaman, in what appears to be the best superhero outfit/looks to date.
I read a few of the latest Aquaman new 52 and they've done their damndest to make him less... shit? I dunno, DC needs to pull something out of their ass to compete.
I think Marvel needs as many characters as they can get for Civil War, I mean, they have so few when you think about it, for a conflict where both evil and good guys numbered the 100's, where are you going to get that number of super powered people? and without a proper introduction no less.
I think whatever they are going to do with Civil War is going to be a lot smaller in scale, what I would want though is for it to actually matter. Of all the Marvel movies the only one that left any impact that changed the way they did things in the MCU was Winter Soldier, even Ultron is meh about this at best so I hope Civil War is a lot more "important" in the overall story line of the MCU.
And fuck no, who wants every single movie to be dark and gritty? DC is already overdoing it by Nolanifying everything. Every character needs to have a tone that fits them, not trying to force another character's tone on another simply because the first one was successful in the box office.
I like Foggy, and the actor. I've seen a lot of people comment that he's not right for the role or that he's a poor actor, but I just don't see it. I think he fits perfectly; he has this dorky vibe to him that is just right for the part.
Finally finished the season. Love the show in many ways that people have talked about them already while i just want to point out that kingpin's performance is such a lackslasher for me, not only that his face/he talks like as + Show Spoiler +
if he was having constipation al the time
, the supposedly toxic relationship wasn't well directed at all + Show Spoiler +
(all i know that vanessa is a sick woman)
, his decisions making didnt show his genius/cunning characteristics like in comic as well, it is especially when he + Show Spoiler +
dealt with leland in the finale
. I mean how the hell a guy talks like that can get a woman like that in the first place it is laughable.
Overall a decent show as a dark themed superhero show, the director has done justice for DD for sure by focusing more on characters development and really good action scenes (none of those cg bullcrap), i would describe the show 'brutal' due to some of the plots/scenes (eventhough the directing/story writing in the last few episodes felt rather rushed).
Yep, I didn't have a problem with that because she said she already knew about who he was. Now we can nitpick HOW she knew, considering they portrayed it as if there was no info at all about him online at that point. We can also nitpick why did she care about him? Money? She was selling high end art and said that once a suitor bought out the whole gallery to take her out. That implies this isn't the first opportunity to be involved with someone who had tons of money, and perhaps that one wasn't a killer. So I do feel that their relationship was a bit lacking in why either of them was so smitten so fast.
I also think that Kingpin in general was way too emotionally driven from the start to be as 100% under the radar as he started out. Still enjoyed the show a lot, but I think perhaps they should have had him very emotionally in control and even more hands off for the first half or more, and then slip into being emotionally out of control when things started falling apart.
Certainly not, but they didn't provide another plausible reason. His sense of humor? His smooth charismatic charm? Shared interests? None of those really came across to me.
On May 09 2015 01:01 karazax wrote: Certainly not, but they didn't provide another plausible reason. His sense of humor? His smooth charismatic charm? Shared interests? None of those really came across to me.
Maybe he has a brilliant legal mind, we haven't seen a courtroom scene.
On May 09 2015 01:01 karazax wrote: Certainly not, but they didn't provide another plausible reason. His sense of humor? His smooth charismatic charm? Shared interests? None of those really came across to me.
He has power and he is not afraid to use it. She just might have been turned on by that. We don't know much about her history, but we know she is a woman in her 40is who keeps her looks nice and has no family of her own. She also had rich and influential suitors in the past and she only seemed to use the for sex. She is not an average girl for sure. And he is for sure not an average guy.
The series starts a little slow, but builds a solid momentum that lasts til the very end (except for episode 7, which I found horrible). Great show, overall! Just a little overrated because, you know, it's Marvel and all they do is awesome for the fanboys.
On May 04 2015 11:53 BurningSera wrote: I mean how the hell a guy talks like that can get a woman like that in the first place it is laughable. .
A woman like Vanessa? She is old and average, just acts as she is the best thing. Did you take a look at her hands? I've seen men a thousand times fuglier that gets far better then that old sack Vanessa is (not on movies).
I don't get why men on movies always gets these old shitty females, where as in the real world, they get super hot ladies. Why can't the female be atleast 15 years younger then their men on movies? My wife is 10 years younger then me, it feels natural.
Look at asian movies, hell, just take a look at Grubby's wife. In real life, wives are hot, in movies, a disaster. If Vanessa was Leland's (the old money wiz) wife, it would be more in line with reality.
On July 08 2015 22:26 Plansix wrote: Talk to me about getting better writers for season 2 and everything else will be perfect. No more "I need to be the man this city needs."
Makes me wonder how many times the line, "you have failed this city," happens in Arrow.
All “city” related dialog needs to be vetted before approval in all comic book shows. This isn’t the 80s anymore and we can talk about crime and other stuff without using cliché phrases like “I need to save the city from itself”. Really, the writers just need to watch all of Justified and try to be that good at writing.
lol cant believe Shane (watching walking dead since this week xd) is attending daredevil s2.
My question is, are we allowed to use vpn or proxy to use american netflix? The german one has a pretty small service. AGB's (general terms and conditions) tell loudly "DONT use vpn" but no word about proxy xD.
I really want american netflix (my english is good enough to understand).
On August 02 2015 18:36 Dingodile wrote: lol cant believe Shane (watching walking dead since this week xd) is attending daredevil s2.
My question is, are we allowed to use vpn or proxy to use american netflix? The german one has a pretty small service. AGB's (general terms and conditions) tell loudly "DONT use vpn" but no word about proxy xD.
I really want american netflix (my english is good enough to understand).
Get a VPN, and change your IP to be in the states. BAM instant American Netflix.
As I said VPN isnt allowed to use according Netflix, proxy do change the IP too. They do know that I have payed in €, in other words they know that I "should not" get American Netflix. Backtracking is very easy in that way, because of the eu-account. If I watch a movie from American Netflix, that isnt on Germany Netflix (example: Homefront or Terminator 3). They know asap what I am doing.
edit: Germany removed American Netflix (app) at Dec 2015 in german web-service (you could use American Netflix without VPN or proxy).
I stopped using Hola (cause it's fucking spyware) and other free VPN services, because, let's be honest, German Netflix is steadily growing and everything that's not on there, you can get somewhere else.
No need to bypass anything really. I just said that it's possible.
hopefully ppl told them that mask got to go, loved whole show up till he put that mask out, hard to enjoy stuff when the main character looks like a poophead. Fingers crossed!!
So excited for this, I've been re-watching S1 with the fiancee because somehow she didn't watch it with me. It is going to be hard to top Kingpin though.
Regarding your bit about the irrelevent crap, at least for comic related shows it kind of comes with the territory. I don't think the public at large was ever terribly hip to foggy nelson, but for the hardcord DD fans (not myself) paying service with those well known side characters is a bit of fan service.
I think they need to get out of New York before they tackle that kind of thing. One weird thing about the marvel universe that on film will be super strange, is how many superheroes live and work in NYC. I mean you average nerd knows that Marvel doesn't own the film rights to some characters again yet, but the average consumer might get weirded out when Spidey doesn't show up to a crime right near Central Park or Times Square but the Blind Lawyer does.
looks great, love the dynamic between Punisher and Daredevil
anyway I just chalk it up to comic book logic, I don't think many people find it to be a huge problem/plot hole and if they find that then they are probably more into the series/universe then the average consumer.
On February 16 2016 03:58 ThomasjServo wrote: I think they need to get out of New York before they tackle that kind of thing. One weird thing about the marvel universe that on film will be super strange, is how many superheroes live and work in NYC. I mean you average nerd knows that Marvel doesn't own the film rights to some characters again yet, but the average consumer might get weirded out when Spidey doesn't show up to a crime right near Central Park or Times Square but the Blind Lawyer does.
Spidey lol, Avenger tower is there, so is Ironman and F4.
On February 16 2016 03:58 ThomasjServo wrote: I think they need to get out of New York before they tackle that kind of thing. One weird thing about the marvel universe that on film will be super strange, is how many superheroes live and work in NYC. I mean you average nerd knows that Marvel doesn't own the film rights to some characters again yet, but the average consumer might get weirded out when Spidey doesn't show up to a crime right near Central Park or Times Square but the Blind Lawyer does.
Spidey lol, Avenger tower is there, so is Ironman and F4.
And now Jessica Jones, which will be followed by Luke Cage. I dunno, all too New York Centric for me
The mask looked fine in the other scenes in that trailer. There is just something wrong with the angle or placement on his head in that one well lit shot. Definitely something off.
On March 09 2016 05:57 On_Slaught wrote: The mask looked fine in the other scenes in that trailer. There is just something wrong with the angle or placement on his head in that one well lit shot. Definitely something off.
This looks like fun. Also the most late 80's early 90's ass comic ever. Ninjas, motorcycles, secret organizations of super ninjas, the Punisher. The grim dark is in full effect. Should be fun.
On March 09 2016 05:57 On_Slaught wrote: The mask looked fine in the other scenes in that trailer. There is just something wrong with the angle or placement on his head in that one well lit shot. Definitely something off.
Edit: Oh wow. Post 10,000 goes to Daredevil!
I think the eyebrows of the mask are a little too low and stick out a little too much, which makes him look like he has a huge forehead and is a little neanderthally. Compare it to the batman mask where the eyebrows go pretty far up,
On March 10 2016 00:17 Plansix wrote: Just remember, for every mask in the series, there were many test masks that looked terrible. Comics are flat and masks are hard.
Definitely true, but it is the only thing I can nitpick from the trailer
On March 10 2016 05:24 Manit0u wrote: I think the problem with the mask is the lower eyelid, which is too large. Looks kinda creepy (but not in a good way).
On March 16 2016 07:38 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: so the punisher is not going to be as nemesis for daredevil? more like an ally?
They touch on it a bit in some of the previews - they're both good guys (basically), but they have distinct visions of how to do their thing. Daredevil likes to expose the bad guys, stop them, and then bring them to justice. Punisher likes to shoot people until they're dead. You can see how they have some ideological differences.
On March 16 2016 07:38 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: so the punisher is not going to be as nemesis for daredevil? more like an ally?
The hand should be the primary villain this season, fun story the Foot Clan from TNMT were actually part of an homage to Daredevil by the creator of the comic.
From what I know Daredevil doesn't kill, he prefers imprisonment and prefers the law whenever possible to create order. Punisher prefers to kill, dead criminals don't do crime.
I hope they take some pages out of Guardian Devil, and if you've not read it, I'd encourage you to give Marvel Unlimited's Free Trial a try and read it
On March 16 2016 21:13 Kipsate wrote: From what I know Daredevil doesn't kill, he prefers imprisonment and prefers the law whenever possible to create order. Punisher prefers to kill, dead criminals don't do crime.
and both actually has something to think about, sometimes I think that the way punisher acts works more efficiently on society
the fight in the end was kinda bugging me, if you fire off a shotgun so close to your ears you're bound to get your eardrums burst, do it multiple times its going to do some major damage, permanent even.
The Punisher is the classic anti-hero who “makes the hard decision”(really it’s the easy decision), while DareDevil believes he can’t be a hero if he doesn’t uphold the morals of the justice system created by society. It’s the classic comic book debate of how far is to far. DareDevil doesn’t try to kill people and will even defend the criminal in court that he captures. His moral conflict about this stance is a big part of the character, but in the end he places faith in other people that the system works for the greater good of everyone.
Fisk returns! One of the minor dislikes for season 1 was Fisk being seemingly built and completely defeated. I was kind of hoping he would escape so he could feature in future seasons, but the way they are handling it now is great. Frank and Fisk meeting, the prison hall fight, and then the aftermath meeting between them leading to the Punisher being set free. The Nobu/Daredevil fight was also great.
Looks like Fisk may make a return as the season 3 villain after that beat down of Matt in the prison. A bunch of murders where Castle is the suspect including Reyes, but we find out that was all a frame job, but not who is behind it. Electra gets her sai after killing the french man, and finds out Stick sent the assassin. Another unknown villain known as the Blacksmith is implicated.
On March 20 2016 00:15 karazax wrote: At least in the US you can sign up for a free one month trial on Netflix if you haven't done so in the last year.
Fisk returns! One of the minor dislikes for season 1 was Fisk being seemingly built and completely defeated. I was kind of hoping he would escape so he could feature in future seasons, but the way they are handling it now is great. Frank and Fisk meeting, the prison hall fight, and then the aftermath meeting between them leading to the Punisher being set free. The Nobu/Daredevil fight was also great.
Looks like Fisk may make a return as the season 3 villain after that beat down of Matt in the prison. A bunch of murders where Castle is the suspect including Reyes, but we find out that was all a frame job, but not who is behind it. Electra gets her sai after killing the french man, and finds out Stick sent the assassin. Another unknown villain known as the Blacksmith is implicated.
k thx, i can do it aswell, but already found a torrent hd 1080 original
see, this is exactly how you develop character stories. I cant help but to love this director/writer doing this textbook stuff, taking the time and good dialogues to let us know more about the characters, let us care about them.
probably the best way to introduce the new female lead/love interest too rofl
On March 20 2016 05:46 BurningSera wrote: see, this is exactly how you develop character stories. I cant help but to love this director/writer doing this textbook stuff, taking the time and good dialogues to let us know more about the characters, let us care about them.
probably the best to introduce the new female lead/love interest too rofl
don't think theres money in the budget to fit Scarlett Johansson
I knew that elektra was going to die in there the moment they talked about running away together. I actually really liked her character for the most part.
I did have a feeling Punisher was going to survive that ship explosion and I overall loved his character/badassness. I knew he wasn't being any of the murders after his escape.
Really hope they do a Season 3 (I imagine they will) and Punisher is still a big part.
Just binge watched S2 over the course of a few days. I loved it.
Though some details left me a little skeptical. + Show Spoiler +
For example, Fisk's takeover of the prison seems a bit rushed. He secures a private guard, has Frank kill a bunch of people, then literally everyone in the prison is at his heel? The COs obey his every order on the dot. I can certainly believe he'd eventually get there, but it just happened a bit too fast for me. Nonetheless, it was a great storyline.
I think I'll need to rewatch the whole season to get a better grip of the background story of the Punisher. I missed a few key dialogues because I was cleaning up or doing stuff while watching.
Overall, this feels like a set-up season for the "true story" of the show. We now know about the existence of The Hand, we know what they can do, but we don't know how it really works. Nor do we know what they will do with Black Sky. But given the ending... it's reasonable to believe they will play a major role in S3. As will Fisk.
Lastly, I was surprised by the amount of S1 characters who reprised their roles. For some reason, I was expecting a story that was sort of disconnected from that of S1, but it wasn't the case at all. If anything, it provided a lot of continuity. I thought that was great.
I suspect the Hand will play a huge role in the Iron Fist series. Which may mean they are the villain for The Defenders mini-series. I think Fisk returns for season 3, maybe Bullseye gets introduced. I expect more Punisher either crossing over into other Marvel Netflix series, or getting his own.
finished the season right now, overall really good. I have to say that I preferred the first half of the season though, the Punisher story-line was insanely well done. (the cemetery scene was great). Jon Bernthal is a kickass actor and the whole law-firm situation and the trial was very interesting. When they switched to 'the Hand' stuff I thought it became a little worse and I think the show is better when it doesn't go full secret ninja conspiracy and sticks to the Hell's Kitchen stuff. Also I really prefer lawyer Matt Murdock to Daredevil.
Oh well i thought part 2 of the season was borring at some point but i guess war vs hand is bound to happen since season 1 (the hints and the stick episode in season 1). Punisher FTW, and electra is gonna be resurected by hand or saved and resurrected by daredevil/stick i think. Better then season 1 imo.
-Kingpin was cool -Fight scenes were still cool -Origin story for The Punisher got way too convoluted...Blashsmith? The DA? Kuwait? Micro CD? Way too much shit. I guess they're probably doing another tv show on this guy as the main character and they're setting his story up? idk -Everything else about The Punisher was pretty awesome though. -The Foggy+Nelson shit was annoying. They did this in season 1. Foggy got over it. Then they hit the reset button in season 2 and made Foggy a dick who didn't care about the huge threat his best friend was dealing with.... -Way too much Karen Paige....wtf lol. She was constantly kidnapped or in danger to the point of tediousness. And randomly just becomes a journalist. She is beautiful though...
Honestly, I thought the first handful and last handful of episodes were really good, but the middle sagged a lot this season. Still quite good, though.
- -The Foggy+Nelson shit was annoying. They did this in season 1. Foggy got over it. Then they hit the reset button in season 2 and made Foggy a dick who didn't care about the huge threat his best friend was dealing with....
Foggy is never going to be one of my favorite characters, but I didn't see anything wrong with his behavior. For one Matt was the one who was screwing Foggy over by not showing up for work or doing his part for the trial and putting Foggy in a position of lying to Karen for him. Matt never bothered to explain the threat he was facing, and in fact spent a good part of the season intentionally not mentioning Electra was his client, which was pretty much lying by omission. And that's ignoring any concern Foggy has about his best friend getting hurt or killed, or the fact that Matt didn't even bother to visit Foggy in the hospital, even when he was already there. If you want to judge who was the worse friend in the relationship, it was clearly Matt.
yeah, at first i was also kinda "meh, your doing this infighting shit again?", but it was actually done pretty well. Foggy had really good reasons to be pissed.
Honestly, great action scenes and the Punisher was fucking brutal(Blacksmith could have been handled better), the Hand storyline felt kinda meh and I didn't really "feel" it between Elektra and Daredevil, felt like Punisher and Karen had far better chemistry/understanding, I do like how they got a hold of Elektra at the end, obviously to bring her back later but still feels like a nice touch. I don't particularly like Foggy but he acts as someone would in that position, also I do like that the way they gave up on the firm.
the greatest part for me about the season was Wilson Fisk though......"You were right, in prison there is only room for 1 Kingpin" that guy is so goddamn intimidating its insane.
Honestly, great action scenes and the Punisher was fucking brutal(Blacksmith could have been handled better), the Hand storyline felt kinda meh and I didn't really "feel" it between Elektra and Daredevil, felt like Punisher and Karen had far better chemistry/understanding, I do like how they got a hold of Elektra at the end, obviously to bring her back later but still feels like a nice touch. I don't particularly like Foggy but he acts as someone would in that position, also I do like that the way they gave up on the firm.
the greatest part for me about the season was Wilson Fisk though......"You were right, in prison there is only room for 1 Kingpin" that guy is so goddamn intimidating its insane.
I feel like Elektra should have kicked a bit more ass to be honest. She seemed like just another good fighter in a season full of characters who had a bit more to them. I really enjoyed it as a whole though. Just a couple of things let the ending down IMO: In the final fight the Punisher seemed pretty much pointless and redundant. There should have been many, many more bad guys. I would have liked to have seen a bit more of what's going on with Stick. Obviously there was the Hand/Elektra stuff but he really seems like he has his own agenda and we haven't really seen any of it yet. I'm glad to see Foggy doing other stuff by himself though, he needs to stop whining at Murdoch at this point because he's getting really annoying.
Apart from those things this season was generally awesome.
I have mixed feelings about this season. Half of it was truly awesome (punisher/kingpin) and part of it was rather dull (elektra/ninjas). Ninjas might've been fun in the 90's and when I was a kid but now they seem really out of place in a gritty NY setting. Ninjas are passe.
On March 24 2016 01:39 Manit0u wrote: I have mixed feelings about this season. Half of it was truly awesome (punisher/kingpin) and part of it was rather dull (elektra/ninjas). Ninjas might've been fun in the 90's and when I was a kid but now they seem really out of place in a gritty NY setting. Ninjas are passe.
Yeah, this would also be my resume. Nothing was bad (way better than all the other superhero series) but the whole Electra/Hand/Ninja stuff just felt too cheesy for me.
at the end i hoped the punisher would blow up all the ninjas coming from the building so Electra/DD would just have to worry about the guys on the top... That would have made sense and would have made him more important to the outcome
actually, this spoiler ridden review kinda nails it:
finished this on Sunday but damn the last two episodes dramatically dropped my score for this season so hard to the point that i couldnt bother to make a post lol
supposed to have a bigger part in that final fight T_T omg, how can they not beg for more budget on that??!! And the end of blacksmith was such a let down-_- are they going to give him his own series though
. Stick's part was overly underwhelming.
I mean, dont get me wrong, season2 is still better than season1 for sure (or more enjoyable for me anyway), way more action packed, just the right amount of drama (i dont quite like the stupid matt letting foggy down like that), and awesome characters development. Punisher and the editor boss are the stars in season2.
Goddamn, this is the most well planned and screenwritten piece of work of superhero project. It has its flaws, but damn, it would be so unfair to put in the same bracket as the other generic/mainstream crap they chunked out in recent years (or since the beginning of it, superheroes movies have always been popcorn-turn-your-brain-off-blockbusters, bar very few of them that are actually good).
The best non-technical scene: The Punisher's love consultant. + Show Spoiler +
Damn, not only the dialogue was perfect, the camera focused on Karen's reaction after he killed the dudes, 5 stars acting right there; and then we see the blood dripped down from punisher's lips, punisher realized and is disgusted by what an animal he is, and that he doesnt deserve the trust from karen.
I mean, most people didnt expect much from Netflix doing these superheroes series, i think it would be fair to say that DD1, JJ, DD2 blew our expectation pretty hard lol.
And ye, damn ninjas were so cool until they became some mass produced units. Comon, thats not the way you use katana. More shuriken instead. And some sort of backstab/whatever advanced techniques when we entered the climax of the season?!
And biggest 'regret' again, has to be that last fighting scene, punisher was so supposed to make a scene there.
On March 24 2016 01:39 Manit0u wrote: I have mixed feelings about this season. Half of it was truly awesome (punisher/kingpin) and part of it was rather dull (elektra/ninjas). Ninjas might've been fun in the 90's and when I was a kid but now they seem really out of place in a gritty NY setting. Ninjas are passe.
Yeah, this would also be my resume. Nothing was bad (way better than all the other superhero series) but the whole Electra/Hand/Ninja stuff just felt too cheesy for me.
at the end i hoped the punisher would blow up all the ninjas coming from the building so Electra/DD would just have to worry about the guys on the top... That would have made sense and would have made him more important to the outcome
bleh, really not a big fan of kingpin, season1 was boring in many parts for me because of that. I mean in season2, you see, + Show Spoiler +
the lawyer specifically told him that he no longer has the movable asset (that it would be his last lawyer work for him etc), next thing we see, king pin owned the guards etc........i mean, how??! he is supposed to feed them money in real world to win their loyalty but poof, everyone just became his pawns voluntarily. Everything kingpin did is just so forceful/arranged by plot device (to me anyway), so i literally see him as a fat dude who can just control people without real strengths or powers, worse when he is in prison when we viewers are informed that he no longer has the deep pocket in the real world....
Yeah any criticism I have made of this series should be taken in the context of Netflix having produced two separate, distinct and yet equally fantastic series. Kudos to them, more please. And more Punisher 'cos they found the perfect actor for it. What a badass.
I thought Elektra was cool but the The Hand story line was lame as fuck and watching the ninjas run around and shooting arrows at cars gave me this weird 90's ninja movie vibe in a not good way.
On March 24 2016 22:45 Daray wrote: I thought Elektra was cool but the The Hand story line was lame as fuck and watching the ninjas run around and shooting arrows at cars gave me this weird 90's ninja movie vibe in a not good way.
It was very 90s and I sort of loved that they didn’t even try to justify any of it. Just bows, katanas and cops that can’t deal with it. They dig a giant hole in the ground. Why? Who cares!?!? Now we fight over the hole. Here is the blood box thing? What does it do? Who cares!?!?!?
At a core level you need to suspend your disbelief for DD. It’s based on Hell’s Kitchen in the 70s and 80s. Modern day Hell’s Kitchen is filled with Starbucks, hipsters and rich trust fund kids. And if you know anything about law in general, their law firm requires you to believe in true fantasy land. So ninjas are just fine.
On March 24 2016 07:31 BurningSera wrote: finished this on Sunday but damn the last two episodes dramatically dropped my score for this season so hard to the point that i couldnt bother to make a post lol
supposed to have a bigger part in that final fight T_T omg, how can they not beg for more budget on that??!! And the end of blacksmith was such a let down-_- are they going to give him his own series though
. Stick's part was overly underwhelming.
I mean, dont get me wrong, season2 is still better than season1 for sure (or more enjoyable for me anyway), way more action packed, just the right amount of drama (i dont quite like the stupid matt letting foggy down like that), and awesome characters development. Punisher and the editor boss are the stars in season2.
Goddamn, this is the most well planned and screenwritten piece of work of superhero project. It has its flaws, but damn, it would be so unfair to put in the same bracket as the other generic/mainstream crap they chunked out in recent years (or since the beginning of it, superheroes movies have always been popcorn-turn-your-brain-off-blockbusters, bar very few of them that are actually good).
The best non-technical scene: The Punisher's love consultant. + Show Spoiler +
Damn, not only the dialogue was perfect, the camera focused on Karen's reaction after he killed the dudes, 5 stars acting right there; and then we see the blood dripped down from punisher's lips, punisher realized and is disgusted by what an animal he is, and that he doesnt deserve the trust from karen.
I mean, most people didnt expect much from Netflix doing these superheroes series, i think it would be fair to say that DD1, JJ, DD2 blew our expectation pretty hard lol.
And ye, damn ninjas were so cool until they became some mass produced units. Comon, thats not the way you use katana. More shuriken instead. And some sort of backstab/whatever advanced techniques when we entered the climax of the season?!
And biggest 'regrest' again, has to be that last fighting scene, punisher was so supposed to make a scene there.
So I just want to comment on only one of your complaints about Season 2.
The Daredevil not seeming to care as much about killing. That was intentional because remember this happened after he went to prison, where he sees all the guards and shit listening to Kingpin. Not only that, the Punisher who he worked so hard to get in Jail was able to escape insanely fast.
The other part I also think is the fact that when he made Elektra stop, it almost got her killed. Also none of them listened, stick, Elektra, Punisher none of them were listening and you can really only preach the same "don't kill" so long before you just need to let it go and know that you can't change their minds.
On March 24 2016 07:31 BurningSera wrote: finished this on Sunday but damn the last two episodes dramatically dropped my score for this season so hard to the point that i couldnt bother to make a post lol
supposed to have a bigger part in that final fight T_T omg, how can they not beg for more budget on that??!! And the end of blacksmith was such a let down-_- are they going to give him his own series though
. Stick's part was overly underwhelming.
I mean, dont get me wrong, season2 is still better than season1 for sure (or more enjoyable for me anyway), way more action packed, just the right amount of drama (i dont quite like the stupid matt letting foggy down like that), and awesome characters development. Punisher and the editor boss are the stars in season2.
Goddamn, this is the most well planned and screenwritten piece of work of superhero project. It has its flaws, but damn, it would be so unfair to put in the same bracket as the other generic/mainstream crap they chunked out in recent years (or since the beginning of it, superheroes movies have always been popcorn-turn-your-brain-off-blockbusters, bar very few of them that are actually good).
The best non-technical scene: The Punisher's love consultant. + Show Spoiler +
Damn, not only the dialogue was perfect, the camera focused on Karen's reaction after he killed the dudes, 5 stars acting right there; and then we see the blood dripped down from punisher's lips, punisher realized and is disgusted by what an animal he is, and that he doesnt deserve the trust from karen.
I mean, most people didnt expect much from Netflix doing these superheroes series, i think it would be fair to say that DD1, JJ, DD2 blew our expectation pretty hard lol.
And ye, damn ninjas were so cool until they became some mass produced units. Comon, thats not the way you use katana. More shuriken instead. And some sort of backstab/whatever advanced techniques when we entered the climax of the season?!
And biggest 'regrest' again, has to be that last fighting scene, punisher was so supposed to make a scene there.
So I just want to comment on only one of your complaints about Season 2.
The Daredevil not seeming to care as much about killing. That was intentional because remember this happened after he went to prison, where he sees all the guards and shit listening to Kingpin. Not only that, the Punisher who he worked so hard to get in Jail was able to escape insanely fast.
The other part I also think is the fact that when he made Elektra stop, it almost got her killed. Also none of them listened, stick, Elektra, Punisher none of them were listening and you can really only preach the same "don't kill" so long before you just need to let it go and know that you can't change their minds.
Well either way it is a cheap way for the change isn't it, especially that the whole season is almost all about 'what is the 'right' kind of vigilante' from the whole punisher's story and his trial.
And then next thing we know he is cool with the killing and then he proposed to Elektra (and then he went back to Karen in the end). Mind blown. That's why I dislike the last 2/3 episodes so much.
And the bloody Hand gangs just straight up telling us they will obey to Elektra and proceed to fight her (I know they wont kill her but they are still fighting against her), so odd. They could have mentioned nothing about her being black sky and let her die as what we saw, and then steal her corpse (as we saw), bam, we get hit hard by the cliffhanger ending, realizing The Hand wanted her all along.
Netflix series always have this serious budget/rushing issue when it comes to the last few episodes of the season. That is one part about that random French dude go hit on Elektra and proceed to get kicked just to deliver the plot device (and the Sai weapon lololol), they could have used that part to develop something else better.
It's a live action comic book story. If you expect a "realistic" story you are bound to be disappointed. It doesn't mean there is no room for improvement, but the good way out weighed the bad for me.
On March 24 2016 07:31 BurningSera wrote: finished this on Sunday but damn the last two episodes dramatically dropped my score for this season so hard to the point that i couldnt bother to make a post lol
supposed to have a bigger part in that final fight T_T omg, how can they not beg for more budget on that??!! And the end of blacksmith was such a let down-_- are they going to give him his own series though
. Stick's part was overly underwhelming.
I mean, dont get me wrong, season2 is still better than season1 for sure (or more enjoyable for me anyway), way more action packed, just the right amount of drama (i dont quite like the stupid matt letting foggy down like that), and awesome characters development. Punisher and the editor boss are the stars in season2.
Goddamn, this is the most well planned and screenwritten piece of work of superhero project. It has its flaws, but damn, it would be so unfair to put in the same bracket as the other generic/mainstream crap they chunked out in recent years (or since the beginning of it, superheroes movies have always been popcorn-turn-your-brain-off-blockbusters, bar very few of them that are actually good).
The best non-technical scene: The Punisher's love consultant. + Show Spoiler +
Damn, not only the dialogue was perfect, the camera focused on Karen's reaction after he killed the dudes, 5 stars acting right there; and then we see the blood dripped down from punisher's lips, punisher realized and is disgusted by what an animal he is, and that he doesnt deserve the trust from karen.
I mean, most people didnt expect much from Netflix doing these superheroes series, i think it would be fair to say that DD1, JJ, DD2 blew our expectation pretty hard lol.
And ye, damn ninjas were so cool until they became some mass produced units. Comon, thats not the way you use katana. More shuriken instead. And some sort of backstab/whatever advanced techniques when we entered the climax of the season?!
And biggest 'regrest' again, has to be that last fighting scene, punisher was so supposed to make a scene there.
So I just want to comment on only one of your complaints about Season 2.
The Daredevil not seeming to care as much about killing. That was intentional because remember this happened after he went to prison, where he sees all the guards and shit listening to Kingpin. Not only that, the Punisher who he worked so hard to get in Jail was able to escape insanely fast.
The other part I also think is the fact that when he made Elektra stop, it almost got her killed. Also none of them listened, stick, Elektra, Punisher none of them were listening and you can really only preach the same "don't kill" so long before you just need to let it go and know that you can't change their minds.
Well either way it is a cheap way for the change isn't it, especially that the whole season is almost all about 'what is the 'right' kind of vigilante' from the whole punisher's story and his trial.
And then next thing we know he is cool with the killing and then he proposed to Elektra (and then he went back to Karen in the end). Mind blown. That's why I dislike the last 2/3 episodes so much.
And the bloody Hand gangs just straight up telling us they will obey to Elektra and proceed to fight her (I know they wont kill her but they are still fighting against her), so odd. They could have mentioned nothing about her being black sky and let her die as what we saw, and then steal her corpse (as we saw), bam, we get hit hard by the cliffhanger ending, realizing The Hand wanted her all along.
Netflix series always have this serious budget/rushing issue when it comes to the last few episodes of the season. That is one part about that random French dude go hit on Elektra and proceed to get kicked just to deliver the plot device (and the Sai weapon lololol), they could have used that part to develop something else better.
So the only complaint I agree with you on is about them ready to obey Elektra. That just seemed so... Odd and random. Especially when she was actually considering it. Then they were willing to fight her as well. That was really the only part about this season I didn't like was the randomness, the fact they would listen and how she considered it. Especially when one of the Ninja's almost killed her.
Season 2 started well, Punisher made it really dark and great, you cheered for him. Then came the ninjas and the DD just to drag the entire season down to a mere 2/10. It seems DD can't do ANYTHING that makes you happy in the slightest. He seems to always be a fun killing character with his dilemma of just about everything. Also the last episode, I had to watch it in 3 sessions, and Dark Sky dying like that, who didn't see that coming? It made me want to delete netflix if possible (using mothers account). I would never ever have watched this shitshow if it weren't for netflix. Sorry for the rant, but such a disappointing ending.
The fighting scenes Not bad compared to other shows, but I watched Ip Man 3 recently so no, it sucked donkey balls.
Season 2 started well, Punisher made it really dark and great, you cheered for him. Then came the ninjas and the DD just to drag the entire season down to a mere 2/10. It seems DD can't do ANYTHING that makes you happy in the slightest. He seems to always be a fun killing character with his dilemma of just about everything. Also the last episode, I had to watch it in 3 sessions, and Dark Sky dying like that, who didn't see that coming? It made me want to delete netflix if possible (using mothers account). I would never ever have watched this shitshow if it weren't for netflix. Sorry for the rant, but such a disappointing ending.
The fighting scenes Not bad compared to other shows, but I watched Ip Man 3 recently so no, it sucked donkey balls.
It seems shows like Arrow and Flash are perfect for you if you don't like drama in DD.
As for fighting and other complaints, you killed your opinion by using IM3 as any merit of anything.
Matt gets mad and kicks Elektra out when she kills the guy who was literally an inch away from fucking killing his ass. It was self defense straight up and he says "it's not that simple." WHAT THE FUCK??
The middle episodes shook my faith a little bit but it turned around.
surprised a lot of ppl liked s2 more than s1. s2 felt way more cliche and the characterization felt flat, rushed or even just skipped at some points (except for almost all things punisher which were awesome)
while i didnt like s2 nearly as much as s1 it was still strong and cant wait for s3
On March 30 2016 11:31 Liquid`Zephyr wrote: surprised a lot of ppl liked s2 more than s1. s2 felt way more cliche and the characterization felt flat, rushed or even just skipped at some points (except for almost all things punisher which were awesome)
while i didnt like s2 nearly as much as s1 it was still strong and cant wait for s3
S2 had better fights on average (only vs Nobu fight in S1 was better than S2 counterparts) and it had Punisher. But it didn't have a strong villain like Kingpin (and as good actor).
Season 2 set up the Kingpin's return. I was kind of worried after season 1, when he sent Kingpin away that he might be done with the show perhaps permanently, but that is obviously not the case. I expect him to get out of jail sooner rather than later. Also expect Bullseye to show up soon, and Punisher to either get his own show or make more large cameos in the other Netflix marvel shows. Not having his own show seems like a huge opportunity to miss out on though.
While I think the Kingpin is very impressive I do wonder where he gets all this "power" apart from...money(which I thought he lost a significant part of in s1).
On March 30 2016 23:44 Kipsate wrote: While I think the Kingpin is very impressive I do wonder where he gets all this "power" apart from...money(which I thought he lost a significant part of in s1).
He is very smart and knows how to manipulate people desires. It was explained in season 1.
On March 30 2016 23:44 Kipsate wrote: While I think the Kingpin is very impressive I do wonder where he gets all this "power" apart from...money(which I thought he lost a significant part of in s1).
He is very smart and knows how to manipulate people desires. It was explained in season 1.
He built up connections and money over a long period of time. Even in prison people know who he is and respect him. They know he will get out eventually and they do not want to fuck with him after he kills the other boss in the prison.
Season 2 started well, Punisher made it really dark and great, you cheered for him. Then came the ninjas and the DD just to drag the entire season down to a mere 2/10. It seems DD can't do ANYTHING that makes you happy in the slightest. He seems to always be a fun killing character with his dilemma of just about everything. Also the last episode, I had to watch it in 3 sessions, and Dark Sky dying like that, who didn't see that coming? It made me want to delete netflix if possible (using mothers account). I would never ever have watched this shitshow if it weren't for netflix. Sorry for the rant, but such a disappointing ending.
The fighting scenes Not bad compared to other shows, but I watched Ip Man 3 recently so no, it sucked donkey balls.
It seems shows like Arrow and Flash are perfect for you if you don't like drama in DD.
As for fighting and other complaints, you killed your opinion by using IM3 as any merit of anything.
Yes Flash is alright, haven't seen S2 though. Are you slaughtering IM3 in terms of not being realistic, or something else?
Flash and Arrow are a bit...childish if u say so, I've stopped to watch both after Daredevil
even tho DD is annoying sometimes, that doesnt matter since Punisher saved this season alone probably
DD is more realistic, I can't name a legit nemesis or a symbol of "real evil". Kingpin wasn't a bad guy u were hoping to die in weird fasion (not even close to Joffrey or Governor), he had his own ideas, life and everything was interesting about his history, those comparisons between the punisher and dd (their styles of dealing with criminals).
overall this series more like grey, and I like it, there is no evil or good, just different points of view, some of them way more common, some of them not, just like IRL
I was rly biased about this show, at the beginning, but luckily I've started season1 just before s2 arrived, went through both pretty fast and felt that this is what I was looking in TV series for a long time (as well that helped me to survive till GoT :D)
Season 2 started well, Punisher made it really dark and great, you cheered for him. Then came the ninjas and the DD just to drag the entire season down to a mere 2/10. It seems DD can't do ANYTHING that makes you happy in the slightest. He seems to always be a fun killing character with his dilemma of just about everything. Also the last episode, I had to watch it in 3 sessions, and Dark Sky dying like that, who didn't see that coming? It made me want to delete netflix if possible (using mothers account). I would never ever have watched this shitshow if it weren't for netflix. Sorry for the rant, but such a disappointing ending.
The fighting scenes Not bad compared to other shows, but I watched Ip Man 3 recently so no, it sucked donkey balls.
It seems shows like Arrow and Flash are perfect for you if you don't like drama in DD.
As for fighting and other complaints, you killed your opinion by using IM3 as any merit of anything.
Yes Flash is alright, haven't seen S2 though. Are you slaughtering IM3 in terms of not being realistic, or something else?
IM3 is terrible all over and it certainly didn't have good fighting scenes unless you call too much CGI as good fighting.
Hrm. Not a fan of this season at all, although it started off really well. The major flaws are that: + Show Spoiler +
It tries to tell two stories in one season, and ends up failing at both. The introduction of Elektra and the Hand is uninteresting, and worse, detracts from the Punisher (and later Blacksmith) storyline. If these two stories had anything at all to do with each other, it would be better, but they don't. The two stories are kept completely separate, and Matt juggling between the two is neither believable, nor interesting.
The Hand, and Elektra being the Black Sky is both uninteresting and badly introduced. Why is there a giant hole in the ground? Nobody knows. Why are they draining those kids' blood? Nobody knows. What happens to them after they are taken from hospital and killed? Nobody knows (unless that girl in the wig at the end was supposed to be one of them). What is that ancient dagger stick gives his two henchmen before Elektra kills them? Nobody knows. And none of that is at all relevant to the plot, so why even bother? So much time was wasted on irrelevant details, when insofar as the Hand in S2 was concerned, they are a secret band of ninjas (as if that isn't lame enough without all the supernatural mumbo jumbo) who are looking for something called "Black Sky". As for the idea that Nobu knows Black Sky is a female warrior prodigy who he tracked to Hell's Kitchen, but takes until episode 12 to figure out it's Elektra? Why? And what makes this all worse is that both Elektra and her interactions with DD are just flat.
The Blacksmith. Wtf is up with that? Very rushed and completely unbelievable in the way it was introduced. Detracted from the otherwise awesome plotline that was The Punisher.
Matt's treatment of the Punisher case, and Foggy in general. We just have to accept that Elektra turns up in HK and Matt drops literally everything else to help her do *whatever*, when the series had just spent all the previous episodes on building up the DD-Punisher dynamic, and Matt had passionately argued to take the Punisher case himself. He then throws it all in Foggy's lap because "mystery client".
No reason to drop DD, just add Punisher series which is some what likely since he is definitely going to reappear in some form in the future in some show after finding the Micro disk and leaving him out of jail and on the loose. His story isn't done.
On April 02 2016 20:52 Acrofales wrote: Hrm. Not a fan of this season at all, although it started off really well. The major flaws are that: + Show Spoiler +
It tries to tell two stories in one season, and ends up failing at both. The introduction of Elektra and the Hand is uninteresting, and worse, detracts from the Punisher (and later Blacksmith) storyline. If these two stories had anything at all to do with each other, it would be better, but they don't. The two stories are kept completely separate, and Matt juggling between the two is neither believable, nor interesting.
The Hand, and Elektra being the Black Sky is both uninteresting and badly introduced. Why is there a giant hole in the ground? Nobody knows. Why are they draining those kids' blood? Nobody knows. What happens to them after they are taken from hospital and killed? Nobody knows (unless that girl in the wig at the end was supposed to be one of them). What is that ancient dagger stick gives his two henchmen before Elektra kills them? Nobody knows. And none of that is at all relevant to the plot, so why even bother? So much time was wasted on irrelevant details, when insofar as the Hand in S2 was concerned, they are a secret band of ninjas (as if that isn't lame enough without all the supernatural mumbo jumbo) who are looking for something called "Black Sky". As for the idea that Nobu knows Black Sky is a female warrior prodigy who he tracked to Hell's Kitchen, but takes until episode 12 to figure out it's Elektra? Why? And what makes this all worse is that both Elektra and her interactions with DD are just flat.
The Blacksmith. Wtf is up with that? Very rushed and completely unbelievable in the way it was introduced. Detracted from the otherwise awesome plotline that was The Punisher.
Matt's treatment of the Punisher case, and Foggy in general. We just have to accept that Elektra turns up in HK and Matt drops literally everything else to help her do *whatever*, when the series had just spent all the previous episodes on building up the DD-Punisher dynamic, and Matt had passionately argued to take the Punisher case himself. He then throws it all in Foggy's lap because "mystery client".
I expect many of those details about black sky and the hand to be explained in future seasons. If not then yes it will be a problem.
There are guys who will drop everything for girls they like all the time in real life so I don't think that was unrealistic. It made Matt a jerk to his friends, but he was clearly more obsessed with being Daredevil than having friends, and Electra was the only one who he didn't have to justify that lifestyle with or hide it.
On April 07 2016 14:43 malcram wrote: can't wait for the Jessica Jones crossover in future seasons
Considering she is a weak combatant I am not sure I do :D
She would have died long ago if she needed to face enemies that DD faces.
On the other hand DD would hit Kilgrave with his stick from a distance and send him to sleep without all the complications. Only problem would be to find someone to kill him :D
On April 07 2016 14:43 malcram wrote: can't wait for the Jessica Jones crossover in future seasons
Considering she is a weak combatant I am not sure I do :D
She would have died long ago if she needed to face enemies that DD faces.
On the other hand DD would hit Kilgrave with his stick from a distance and send him to sleep without all the complications. Only problem would be to find someone to kill him :D
She lacks DD's skill, sure, but she's super f-ing strong. That counts for something against a lot of enemies. For instance, some of those long hallway fights that he barely gets through she could just punch each guy once hard and keep moving. But he has skill and agility, which means that he's often gonna have the upper hand against anyone of extraordinary capabilities that could block/evade her attacks (while she's better for clearing trash). I can see it as a good team.
Of the Defenders heroes so far:
Luke: Tank Jessica: STR dps Daredevil: DEX dps/dodgetank Punisher: ranged dps Nurse Temple: healer Elektra: (basically like daredevil? honestly, kinda uninteresting fighting style) Stick: whatever the script calls for, as far as I can tell
On March 30 2016 11:31 Liquid`Zephyr wrote: surprised a lot of ppl liked s2 more than s1. s2 felt way more cliche and the characterization felt flat, rushed or even just skipped at some points (except for almost all things punisher which were awesome)
while i didnt like s2 nearly as much as s1 it was still strong and cant wait for s3
S2 had better fights on average (only vs Nobu fight in S1 was better than S2 counterparts) and it had Punisher. But it didn't have a strong villain like Kingpin (and as good actor).
Agreed with Zephyr. Felt like S1 was more consistent and also more enjoyable than S2 in many regards. Punisher was awesome (so was his actor) but Kingpin/Wesley were 10 times more fun than Nobu and his zerg-like ninjas ever could as bad guys. The part with Elektra was okay, and Stick's role was disappointing to say the least.
Overall, a great but very inconsistent season. Still way better than 99% superhero shows out there anyway, as other pointed out.
edit: as for fight scenes, for some reason Nobu's fight + hallway one from S1 still stick out more than most from S2 in my mind:
On March 30 2016 11:31 Liquid`Zephyr wrote: surprised a lot of ppl liked s2 more than s1. s2 felt way more cliche and the characterization felt flat, rushed or even just skipped at some points (except for almost all things punisher which were awesome)
while i didnt like s2 nearly as much as s1 it was still strong and cant wait for s3
S2 had better fights on average (only vs Nobu fight in S1 was better than S2 counterparts) and it had Punisher. But it didn't have a strong villain like Kingpin (and as good actor).
Agreed with Zephyr. Felt like S1 was more consistent and also more enjoyable than S2 in many regards. Punisher was awesome (so was his actor) but Kingpin/Wesley were 10 times more fun than Nobu and his zerg-like ninjas ever could as bad guys. The part with Elektra was okay, and Stick's role was disappointing to say the least.
Overall, a great but very inconsistent season. Still way better than 99% superhero shows out there anyway, as other pointed out.
edit: as for fight scenes, for some reason Nobu's fight + hallway one from S1 still stick out more than most from S2 in my mind:
On September 22 2018 21:10 hobbyistGamedev wrote: Is this the first Marvel show / season that plays after Thanos' snap? So will they have to deal with the repercussions of half the world being dead?
This should be really interesting.
I don't think this will be included in the series. There was no mention of it in the latest Iron Fist.
I think they'll just stay on course and do their stuff regardless of what happens in the Marvel movies since the series are developed independently of it (and none of those heroes actually feature in the movies).
The early seasons did mention the events from the first Avengers and their effect on New York. But like Antman and Wasp, these could be assumed to happen before Thanos in the time line. Here is the latest teaser trailer:
I’m kinda excited. Especial for the magical legal system of the Dare Devil world where trials take place a week after someone is arrested and attorneys can live off pies in NYC. Matt Murdock and Froggie are the most powerful attorneys in world for making the court system move that fast.
On October 11 2018 20:36 byte-Curious wrote: I wish I hadn't watched that trailer, that gave away way too much...
Ive stopped watching all trailers, for movies, tv, and the like a few years ago and it has made every single movie/show exponentially better. My opinion of things went from being pretty much in line with my close friends to always having a better impression and experience. Highly recommend skipping trailers.
On October 11 2018 20:36 byte-Curious wrote: I wish I hadn't watched that trailer, that gave away way too much...
Ive stopped watching all trailers, for movies, tv, and the like a few years ago and it has made every single movie/show exponentially better. My opinion of things went from being pretty much in line with my close friends to always having a better impression and experience. Highly recommend skipping trailers.
If I hadn't seen the teaser, I wouldn't have been excited about a Marvel series in the first place, so it's a double edge sword.
I thought it was ok. It didn't seem that different to season 1 to be honest, and the characters are becoming a little stale imo. The same pacing issues were there as usual, but for some reason i noticed them much more this time. I think i preferred that latest seasons of Luke Cage and Iron Fist to be honest. The fighting in Daredevil is still brilliant though.
This season was fun once Matt got over himself and decided to work with people. I think the series is at its best when it’s Matt and the gang trying to fight corruption through the system, rather than the internal conflicts of catholic batman. The part were Matt tells off a corrupt FBI agent reminded me why I liked that character.
The fights were fun too. They had a good time with the new villain this seasons and it is nice that Fisk is still physically intimidating, even if he can't beat DD in a straight fight.
Well, this season was more disappointing than I hoped. It wasn't super bad but huge chunks of it were just plain boring. The worst character was actually Daredevil, who for the most part was just a brooding emo and a dick to everyone. Villains got some good exposition and I liked the deep dive into Karen's past.
Still, my list of top 3 Netflix Marvel series remains unchanged:
1. Punisher 2. Luke Cage, season 2 3. Jessica Jones, season 1 (still can't get through season 2)
On October 23 2018 03:35 Manit0u wrote: Well, this season was more disappointing than I hoped. It wasn't super bad but huge chunks of it were just plain boring. The worst character was actually Daredevil, who for the most part was just a brooding emo and a dick to everyone. Villains got some good exposition and I liked the deep dive into Karen's past.
Still, my list of top 3 Netflix Marvel series remains unchanged:
1. Punisher 2. Luke Cage, season 2 3. Jessica Jones, season 1 (still can't get through season 2)
JJ season 2 was terrible. I think it goes to show how much season 1 benefited from David Tenant. I think this top 3 is the same as mine, although JJ season 1 would probably be at the top.
On October 24 2018 14:50 Velr wrote: Is Luke Cage 2 much better than 1? I really didn't like s1, especially towards the end.
Yeah season 2 is way better. It has good antagonists and some decent fight scenes, and they use the world from season 1 to create a more complex situation.
On October 24 2018 14:50 Velr wrote: Is Luke Cage 2 much better than 1? I really didn't like s1, especially towards the end.
Yeah season 2 is way better. It has good antagonists and some decent fight scenes, and they use the world from season 1 to create a more complex situation.
To be honest, LC season 1 was fine as long as they kept the Diamondback character this menacing, mysterious threat that was never visualized. Cottonmouth was pretty epic as far as bad guys go (not really fitting the superhero movie villain theme but the character was great) but then they introduce the actual Diamondback who is just a disappointment. Season 2 is a whole different story altogether, where you have an antagonist who can fight protagonist 1-on-1 (really hard to do with Luke Cage since he's pretty damn high on the power scale for superheroes) and is also a fully realized and likeable character with great background, motivations etc.
I don't get geek chills when Dex tosses scissors into Matt's shoulder, with Matt grappling him from behind, or when he throws pencils through cubicle walls. Nevermind his super-aim...he can have it, but that's not how objects work. I think it may please comic book fans to see Bulleye's feats, but it took me out of it.
I think Marvel and others are in a hard place between wanting Batman Begins' Tumbler and 1989 Batman's Batmobile, as far as realism vs comic book logic. I wonder if the rather upbeat ending to season 3 is sending the show in a lighter direction, and Bulleye's superpower won't seem as outlandish.
Matt made peace with his mother and the gang is back together, now with no awkward love triangle thanks to Marcy. I don't think they're gonna do an "every other season it's Fisk" thing, or at least they shouldn't. If the show goes several more seasons, obviously he has to return once, but maybe only once.
That's mainly because "Fisk always wins" and they can't retread the same arguments between characters, at least not concerning Fisk. It is already threatening to become repetitive.
Some notes: *Karen meeting Fisk was awesome--very Fingolfin vs Morgoth. *Later episodes did not muck up the pacing. The episode "Karen" certainly could have but it had a lot besides the backstory, which was pretty good anyway. *Matt should have and generally did kick Dex's ass in close range. The suit was pretty convenient for keeping Dex in the fight. *I love that we now know when the hallway fight scene is beginning. In any case, it was good. *I was shocked but also laughed at Nadeem's boss being under Fisk's thumb. His sudden control of this FBI team didn't really wash. At some point enough people should be pissed at Fisk that they gang up on him, rather than dozens and dozens of people living under constant death threats to family members. *Similarly, the people in the church could have surrounded Dex and helped Matt bring him down, but I'm sure Bulleye'd take them all out with splinters from busted pews /eyeroll. * Don't get me wrong, season 3 was awesome.
Interesting to see the love for Luke Cage season 2 over this...it was good but dragged 2-3 episodes too long. I did not get that feeling with DD3 at all, maybe could have cut a little bit to reduce by 1 episode but not by much. The "controlling the grand jury" in like a 30 minute window, fisk controls the whole fbi, and Dex killing people with pencils were my major complaints.
Seems proof positive to me that they made a good brace of shows that are very different from one another. I find it unfathomable that people can't see how good JJ s 1 and Daredevil s 1 are, but I know a few who think Luke Cage is the best. And none who think Iron Fist is good, though I like some elements of the first season (Harold Meachum was great, and Ward's one of the most interesting supporting characters across all the series' IMO, once the actor gets to show how completely he's been mentally destroyed by his father; honestly Iron Fist's supporting cast is almost always good. Just Finn's a bit rubbish and it darkens everything).
Looks like they're heading off to Disney's service next year, with everything getting cancelled but promising returns anyway. And why not? There's nothing else out there scratching the itch save the CW's shows, which are all just kind of blandly good (mostly Arrow and Legends of Tomorrow). The Marvel shows are the ones really trying to push the boat a bit.