On January 27 2013 22:49 paralleluniverse wrote: Since J.J. Abrams is famous for strong female leads (e.g. Sydney Bristow in Alias, Kate Austin in Lost and Olivia Dunham in Fringe), I think there's a good chance Star Wars is going to get a female main character. And that would be a refreshing change of pace.
I hope Giacchino will score the music.
What is this blasphemy? Star Wars without John Williams?!
On January 27 2013 22:49 paralleluniverse wrote: Since J.J. Abrams is famous for strong female leads (e.g. Sydney Bristow in Alias, Kate Austin in Lost and Olivia Dunham in Fringe), I think there's a good chance Star Wars is going to get a female main character. And that would be a refreshing change of pace.
I hope Giacchino will score the music.
What is this blasphemy? Star Wars without John Williams?!
This is the first thing I thought of.
Star Wars without John Williams man... it's going to be tough but I'm really optimistic for the upcoming film for some unknown reason.
On January 28 2013 02:37 TheSwamp wrote: Let's just be thankful that Michael Bay doesn't have his disgusting hands anywhere near this. I don't like Abrams' story-telling, but when he is paired with competent writers he does a pretty good job. The only writer that I've heard of being attached to this movie wrote Little Miss Sunshine. That movie had some of the best sub-plots anyone could have hoped for, given the main story. As long as Abram's doesn't have much say in the script, and they get more good writers and a hands-off producer, the movie will be fantastic. The only true worry I have is casting. Hayden Christensen....
You're totally wrong in saying that Abrams can't do writing. Try watching Super 8, or all the episodes of Alias that he wrote, including the pilot.
I saw super 8, though I'm not familiar with which episodes of Alias he wrote. I'll definitely give them a chance.
I thought Abrams did a decent job on Star Trek (although I do feel that it just doesn't retain the original spirit, but thelike others have said the ST movies were already walking away from the feel of the tv shows). He'll probably do fine with SW, it really will depend on what source material they choose to base the new trilogy on (it's a trilogy right?).
However, I've never been a fan of Abrams tv work. The basic formula is promising scenario, lots of intrigue, lots of mystery, then a complete and total unraveling as he's unable to keep it coherent and answer all the questions he's been teasing the audience with (and no, he did not have it all 'planned' out from the beginning, that's just PR speak to tease people some more).
Fortunately movies don't ask for that kind of long-term set-up (and he better not try), so he doesn't have the opportunity to paint himself in a corner so to speak.
On January 28 2013 02:37 TheSwamp wrote: Let's just be thankful that Michael Bay doesn't have his disgusting hands anywhere near this. I don't like Abrams' story-telling, but when he is paired with competent writers he does a pretty good job. The only writer that I've heard of being attached to this movie wrote Little Miss Sunshine. That movie had some of the best sub-plots anyone could have hoped for, given the main story. As long as Abram's doesn't have much say in the script, and they get more good writers and a hands-off producer, the movie will be fantastic. The only true worry I have is casting. Hayden Christensen....
You're totally wrong in saying that Abrams can't do writing. Try watching Super 8, or all the episodes of Alias that he wrote, including the pilot.
I saw super 8, though I'm not familiar with which episodes of Alias he wrote. I'll definitely give them a chance.
I thought Abrams did a decent job on Star Trek (although I do feel that it just doesn't retain the original spirit, but thelike others have said the ST movies were already walking away from the feel of the tv shows). He'll probably do fine with SW, it really will depend on what source material they choose to base the new trilogy on (it's a trilogy right?).
However, I've never been a fan of Abrams tv work. The basic formula is promising scenario, lots of intrigue, lots of mystery, then a complete and total unraveling as he's unable to keep it coherent and answer all the questions he's been teasing the audience with (and no, he did not have it all 'planned' out from the beginning, that's just PR speak to tease people some more).
Fortunately movies don't ask for that kind of long-term set-up (and he better not try), so he doesn't have the opportunity to paint himself in a corner so to speak.
Are you talking about Lost? Alias is one of my favorite TV shows, one of the reasons being that the story was really compelling and well executed.
The mysteries are one of the best parts of TV shows. They keep the audience engaged, thinking and discussing the show, and gives the audience OMG moments and cliffhangers. Which is why I hate self-contained, procedural shows, because none of that is possible.
A year ago I made this thread about Lost. The answer to almost all questions were given in the show. You might not like the answers, but they're mostly there.
Finally, on this point about having planned it all out. In case you didn't know, Lost was a pet project of an executive, which was shoved off to Abrams and Lindelof, then it was rushed to pilot and made in a few weeks. Producers expected it to be cancelled in a few episodes. Due to this tight time constraint, and the fact it wasn't originally conceived by the showrunners, most of season 1 was made up as they went along. Under these conditions, to have planned out 6 seasons in advance would simply be hubris. However, it's been said that the mythology of the show was mapped out during the season 1-2 break, when they finally had some time to think about the show properly. TV is a dynamic medium, things change, fan reaction matters, network executives get involved, etc.
On January 28 2013 16:32 Leopoldshark wrote: If the force were caused by special cells in the body, then it would be possible to essentially manufacture force users. While it could explain why General Grevious was able to wield lightsabers, I don't know why either the Republic or the Empire tried manufacturing Jedi armies instead of using die-by-the-dozen clones and droids. I'm no Star Wars nerd so I am probably wrong.
I hope 7 is based off the already existing EU and not something completely new. It would also be cool to see movies based on the EU from the KotOR time period and Darth Revan sometime down the line.
"So is that the basis for Episode 7 or not? I've heard directly from LucasFilm and other sources close to the picture, and they say: Definitely not.
"It's an original story," a LucasFilm source tells me.
In other words, forget the Star Wars novels. Forget the graphic novels. Forget everything you think you know about what happens to Luke Skywalker. According to my sources, Episode 7 will literally be nothing you've ever seen or read before from the Star Wars universe."
On January 28 2013 16:32 Leopoldshark wrote: If the force were caused by special cells in the body, then it would be possible to essentially manufacture force users. While it could explain why General Grevious was able to wield lightsabers, I don't know why either the Republic or the Empire tried manufacturing Jedi armies instead of using die-by-the-dozen clones and droids. I'm no Star Wars nerd so I am probably wrong.
I hope 7 is based off the already existing EU and not something completely new. It would also be cool to see movies based on the EU from the KotOR time period and Darth Revan sometime down the line.
"So is that the basis for Episode 7 or not? I've heard directly from LucasFilm and other sources close to the picture, and they say: Definitely not.
"It's an original story," a LucasFilm source tells me.
In other words, forget the Star Wars novels. Forget the graphic novels. Forget everything you think you know about what happens to Luke Skywalker. According to my sources, Episode 7 will literally be nothing you've ever seen or read before from the Star Wars universe."
An original story sounds badass but I'd also be cool with a KotOR movie. :D
On January 27 2013 22:49 paralleluniverse wrote: Since J.J. Abrams is famous for strong female leads (e.g. Sydney Bristow in Alias, Kate Austin in Lost and Olivia Dunham in Fringe), I think there's a good chance Star Wars is going to get a female main character. And that would be a refreshing change of pace.
I hope Giacchino will score the music.
What is this blasphemy? Star Wars without John Williams?!
This is the first thing I thought of.
Star Wars without John Williams man... it's going to be tough but I'm really optimistic for the upcoming film for some unknown reason.
All I can say about the John Williams comment is this. I've seen the SW films a great many times. The twin sunset in episode IV still sends chills down my spine, that music theme is sooooooooo perfect.
Also this:
I love Family Guy, but it ruined this scene for me. All I can think of hearing this piece now is Peter going ta ta TE ta ta TE HE HE he he he. Something like they're taking the hobbits to Isengard
On January 27 2013 22:49 paralleluniverse wrote: Since J.J. Abrams is famous for strong female leads (e.g. Sydney Bristow in Alias, Kate Austin in Lost and Olivia Dunham in Fringe), I think there's a good chance Star Wars is going to get a female main character. And that would be a refreshing change of pace.
I hope Giacchino will score the music.
What is this blasphemy? Star Wars without John Williams?!
This is the first thing I thought of.
Star Wars without John Williams man... it's going to be tough but I'm really optimistic for the upcoming film for some unknown reason.
All I can say about the John Williams comment is this. I've seen the SW films a great many times. The twin sunset in episode IV still sends chills down my spine, that music theme is sooooooooo perfect.
I love Family Guy, but it ruined this scene for me. All I can think of hearing this piece now is Peter going ta ta TE ta ta TE HE HE he he he. Something like they're taking the hobbits to Isengard
What about Empire Strikes Back? Easily the best sound track of them all in my opinion.
Most hair-raising movements in the series are the start of the Hoth battle -- the first video -- and the rescue of Skywalker -- second video. Really, really love the second movement. It's either these or the Star Dreadnought fight movement from Episode VI.
First one really gets going about 4:30
What makes the second song great is the violin rhythm started at 5:07. JESUS it's great. Getting tingles listening to it right now.
Edit: here's the Return of the Jedi movement I was talking about. The part I really like starts at 27:10. Perfectly done to accentuate the epicness of the Star Dreadnought's fall.
On January 25 2013 07:30 kwizach wrote: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
I really hate his style. The Star Trek movie was absolute garbage in terms of characters/character development and plot. Ugh.
What? Star Trek (2009) was a 101 in character development and story. There is a clear and wonderful arc for both Kirk and Spock. Look where both characters begin and where they end. Two characters of opposing ideologies that throughout the movie are never entirely right or wrong, but are forced to survive together and find common ground.
Also, the whole decision to have the villain be a time traveler and create an alternate timeline as soon as the movie starts was a stroke of genius for a reboot of a beloved franchise. It pays respect and doesn't ignore the old Star Trek while letting a new generation discover these characters and stories fresh and for the first time.
On topic, JJ Abrams wasn't my first pick but now that I've let the news marinate I think it's a fantastic choice and really think Star Wars is going to get back on track and be awesome again.
I liked it. It was one of the few good things about the prequels IMO; plenty of good and memorable themes and motifs, such as ''Duel of the Fates'' and ''Across the Stars''. Not that it was all the way up there with the soundtracks of the original movies, but on the other hand, there is pretty much nothing that comes close to those. Not even a genius like JW can be held to such standards.
On January 25 2013 07:30 kwizach wrote: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
I really hate his style. The Star Trek movie was absolute garbage in terms of characters/character development and plot. Ugh.
What? Star Trek (2009) was a 101 in character development and story. There is a clear and wonderful arc for both Kirk and Spock. Look where both characters begin and where they end. Two characters of opposing ideologies that throughout the movie are never entirely right or wrong, but are forced to survive together and find common ground.
That's not the movie I saw. That might fit for Spock, but Kirk? There was no "common ground" found between Kirk and Spock; Kirk got everything he wanted in the end. Kirk wanted to go after Nero while Spock said to meet up with the fleet. They followed Kirk's plan (eventually). Kirk came up with the idea of invading Nero's ship. And so forth.
Kirk never at any point had to change or mature; he doesn't have a character arc. He was a petulant, whiny prick to authority figures from day 1 (when he stole a priceless antique from his mother's boyfriend and then drove it off a cliff for no adequately explained reason) to the end of the film. The only difference between Kirk at the end and Kirk at the beginning is that there are no authority figures for him to bitch at; he's in charge now. Not because of any character change, but because of authorial fiat.
In any real situation, if the captain of a ship has to throw you off the ship because you started a fight on the bridge, you're not first officer anymore. Period. And you don't promote a cadet to captain permanently even if he saves the planet; there's a lot more to captaining a ship than just being able to handle a crisis. What he did would certainly be enough to get him past the whole cheating thing, and probably put him on a fast-track to promotion when he graduated. But going from cadet to captain is kid's show logic; it doesn't happen in any work that's supposed to be taken seriously.
So no, I'm not seeing this "101 in character development and story".
On January 29 2013 03:20 Cedstick wrote:What about Empire Strikes Back? Easily the best sound track of them all in my opinion.
Agreed. For me it has the best soundtrack in film history. I really hope Williams will score the new movies, would be too much of a gamble to get a new guy, imo.
On February 02 2013 02:47 Holgerius wrote: I liked it. It was one of the few good things about the prequels IMO; plenty of good and memorable themes and motifs, such as ''Duel of the Fates'' and ''Across the Stars''. Not that it was all the way up there with the soundtracks of the original movies, but on the other hand, there is pretty much nothing that comes close to those. Not even a genius like JW can be held to such standards.
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Not even a genius like JW can be held to such standards. 
