On July 24 2013 12:37 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I don't think Mike should have gone back to Harvey (just yet, anyway)... as much as I love that duo together and kicking ass, Harvey needed to lose and Louis needed to win for once. Louis is just going to go back to being (justifiably) frustrated and willing to backstab Harvey (and now Mike)
I agree, although after all the bad things that Louis has done, I just can't see Mike as being his associate. It still saddens me that he isn't though. :/
On July 24 2013 12:37 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I don't think Mike should have gone back to Harvey (just yet, anyway)... as much as I love that duo together and kicking ass, Harvey needed to lose and Louis needed to win for once. Louis is just going to go back to being (justifiably) frustrated and willing to backstab Harvey (and now Mike)
The relationship between Mike and Louis has probably been one of the most interesting of the show since early season 2 even though they usually don't give much time to it. I loved that scene in season 2 where Louis was initially happy to hear Mike lead deposition of Monica (then he read it but that's unrelated).
On July 24 2013 12:37 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I don't think Mike should have gone back to Harvey (just yet, anyway)... as much as I love that duo together and kicking ass, Harvey needed to lose and Louis needed to win for once. Louis is just going to go back to being (justifiably) frustrated and willing to backstab Harvey (and now Mike)
The relationship between Mike and Louis has probably been one of the most interesting of the show since early season 2 even though they usually don't give much time to it. I loved that scene in season 2 where Louis was initially happy to hear Mike lead deposition of Monica (then he read it but that's unrelated).
I agree... the emotion Louis portrayed when he read everything being turned around on him and him feeling so tiny and insignificant... probably my second favorite Louis Litt moment of all time.
On July 24 2013 12:37 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I don't think Mike should have gone back to Harvey (just yet, anyway)... as much as I love that duo together and kicking ass, Harvey needed to lose and Louis needed to win for once. Louis is just going to go back to being (justifiably) frustrated and willing to backstab Harvey (and now Mike)
I agree, although after all the bad things that Louis has done, I just can't see Mike as being his associate. It still saddens me that he isn't though. :/
Yeah. I'd like to see them try it out for a little while, while Harvey flounders, and then have some significant reason for Mike switching back to Harvey (rather than Harvey just being like "All right, you're my bitch. Come back now.") It was pretty chilling when Harvey was like "No, you don't understand. We're done" to Mike tonight. I wish the words had some action behind it though.
On July 24 2013 15:40 seiferoth10 wrote: Ugh, dumb. He should've chilled with Louis for a while, I feel like the whole episode betrayed me at the end.
I agree. Everyone seemed to be in a clusterfuck of arguments and disarray (even Rachel and Donna were fighting!), and yet Mike decided not to stick with the one person who was actually trying to be friendly and not butt in to anyone else's business. Typical Mike, although I wonder if Louis will be more mad at Mike or Harvey (or himself).
It's sad that Harvey has been exceedingly obstinate and cold these past two episodes. Obviously his pride got hurt a lot when the merger went through, and he feels betrayed by Mike... but it's seriously affecting everyone. I love Harvey, but he needs to get over himself and his problems, and not burn bridges.
Plus, we all really know that Louis... is the man.
Heres the thing about Louis, he actually has been a pretty good person since the Daniel left but everything before that still does matter. He did trick Mike into getting high, try to sabotage his relationship with Jenny, and while Daniel was in charge basically tell him his days were numbered and that's on top of there first meeting being him firing a fake employee in order to make Mike afraid of him. He basically burned the bridge with Mike early and then has been trying to rebuild it since to a pretty good effect.
I mean he was willing to give up on trying to get back with Harvey for him but he was never going to give up if Harvey asked him to come back which he did. It does strike into question how angry Louis will get though because he was fairly recently trying to get Harvey and Mike back together in the first place so while I am sure he is very sad that he does not get Mike this way the first thing he was trying to do.
As for Harvey he really does need to get over himself because Jessica didn't really do anything that even warranted an apology and yet she offered it anyway as a sign of good faith. The thing is Harvey's ego which is a trait that makes him a great character is also making him a bit insufferable at the moment so hopefully he can get over it soon.
I agree with you, Adreme. Especially regarding Harvey's ego (especially against Jessica).
As far as Louis goes, I totally agree that Louis did some pretty shitty stuff to Mike early on in the relationship. But he does seem pretty candid now, and it seems that Mike doesn't care that much anymore about the old problems with Louis... it just seems like Mike cares far more about being with Harvey, regardless of what Louis does.
On July 24 2013 15:40 seiferoth10 wrote: Ugh, dumb. He should've chilled with Louis for a while, I feel like the whole episode betrayed me at the end.
I agree. Everyone seemed to be in a clusterfuck of arguments and disarray (even Rachel and Donna were fighting!), and yet Mike decided not to stick with the one person who was actually trying to be friendly and not butt in to anyone else's business. Typical Mike, although I wonder if Louis will be more mad at Mike or Harvey (or himself).
It's sad that Harvey has been exceedingly obstinate and cold these past two episodes. Obviously his pride got hurt a lot when the merger went through, and he feels betrayed by Mike... but it's seriously affecting everyone. I love Harvey, but he needs to get over himself and his problems, and not burn bridges.
I can see why these first couple episodes are a bit frustrating. A contributing factor seems to be just HOW many relationships, agendas, and things they're cramming in, leaving little time as a viewer to savor or even collect his/her breath. Hence the 'clusterfuck' comment. But I don't think the show is betraying anyone or anything just yet, rather it's trying to rapidly set the groundwork for this season and then roll from there. This is only my speculation, but I think we're going to feel more 'betrayed' as the season goes on and truer and truer agendas come to light.
For example, Harvey trying to make a 'move' on Jessica will probably turn into him trying to get Darby to either sell his stake or simply undo the merger. Also, the show is also slowly kicking out everything from under Louis - he loses his battle with the other accountant, becomes quartermaster, loses ALL his associates, loses the ONE associate he coveted, etc. - I suppose in order to see what he'll do when his is clearly not 'the man' anymore within the firm. Rachel and Donna is mostly about how the two women approach the two 'main' men in their lives - Harvey and Mike, respectively. Most of the tension is centered around that fact, I believe, as at its core they (well, Rachel at least - Donna has been team-Harvey for years and years) are trying to figure out how to deal with the fact that each is loyal to him more than each other. And Jessica is not only dealing with Darby and a firm based in London, but also trying to corral her protege in Harvey, keep Louis on her side, and figure out what she actually has or doesn't have with Mike (offering the new office, just to have him throw it back in her face basically). So with all of this, the season can go down various paths and it's refreshing in a way to see the show try and explore its characters in new and changing contexts not with each other but with the law, the firm, their ambitions, etc. as well.
I agree with you. Miek should have stayed with Loius. Especially after the lesson in loyalty he got from Harvey himself. Would also have made for some interesting episodes with Harvey trying to get Mike back from Loius and a small war between the two as in S01.
I feel like this is setting up later in the season to Louis questioning Mike on where he got his law degree or something. I feel Louis will hold a grudge against him for this.
The awesome thing I personally loved about this episode was the Rachel/Donna dynamic. When they fought I actually felt bad for Rachel and I'm curious how she'll take Mike getting back w/ Harvey.
I don't have much to add that hasn't already been said by others about this episode. Just here to say, good that we got to resolve or make progress on a lot of the relationship issues going on among the main characters, and very very sad for Lewis. Mike in the end is too attached to Harvey, and I can understand that. Harvey truly changed his life for the better, and is the father figure (or more appropriately a big brother) he needs now. I believe we saw the true Lewis this episode, and I'm beginning to see why he becomes the way he is in season 1 and 2.
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Time to watch!
