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On December 04 2014 17:36 Shock710 wrote: overall in skill i think ming hua trumps them all but in a fight one on one i cant imagine any of those beating amon's bloodbending bloodbending is way to strong in a 1v1, but feels useless in mass army fights
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Amon was seen bending an entire group of wolves during his training, and that was when he was a kid. Its possible he might have been able to control a group of people, which would make it much more useful when you're fighting an army (if half the army suddenly tries to attack their buddies, it gets easy for the other team)
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On December 05 2014 02:14 Koerage wrote: Amon was seen bending an entire group of wolves during his training, and that was when he was a kid. Its possible he might have been able to control a group of people, which would make it much more useful when you're fighting an army (if half the army suddenly tries to attack their buddies, it gets easy for the other team) I totally forgot. damm all these villains are so much stronger then in tla
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Jakone took out the whole courtroom, including Toph and Aang without avatar state. If Amon became stronger than Jakone, which i think we can safely assume, Amon is actually incredibly op and can beat everyone bar the avatar.
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On December 05 2014 02:39 Warri wrote: Jakone took out the whole courtroom, including Toph and Aang without avatar state. If Amon became stronger than Jakone, which i think we can safely assume, Amon is actually incredibly op and can beat everyone bar the avatar. Yeah, but he needs to get in range for that to happen. The size of a courtroom is pretty small. What if it were like an agni kai where they started on the opposite sides of the coart? Then I think Unalaq might be better, and Katara wasn't there. Stronger waterbenders can resist the bloodbending of weaker waterbenders from Hama vs Katara.
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On December 05 2014 05:25 obesechicken13 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2014 02:39 Warri wrote: Jakone took out the whole courtroom, including Toph and Aang without avatar state. If Amon became stronger than Jakone, which i think we can safely assume, Amon is actually incredibly op and can beat everyone bar the avatar. Yeah, but he needs to get in range for that to happen. The size of a courtroom is pretty small. What if it were like an agni kai where they started on the opposite sides of the coart? Then I think Unalaq might be better, and Katara wasn't there. Stronger waterbenders can resist the bloodbending of weaker waterbenders from Hama vs Katara. Katara was a bloodbender though, which is how she could resist Hama. And we saw Amon dodging attacks from a pretty good distance in the pro-bending arena. He easily had the agility to get close enough to blood bend, and do we actually know what kind of range he really needs? I think Amon would beat everyone who isn't the avatar.
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Pretty sure the only characters seen resisting Bloodbending are other Bloodbenders, or the Avatar. Unalaq would probably resist it, solely because he had Avatar-esque powers. Normal Unalaq didn't seem that strong...his spirit power was useful, but not very combat oriented.
Honestly, Magma-bender guy seemed like one of the most ridiculous. What he did in the Air Temple was almost on par with Avatar Kyoshi or Roku, and it takes like quadruple the effort to stop his magma than it does for him to create it. And even then just cooling down magma, or blocking it with rock, doesn't even stop him from just redoing it.
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This is my personal list of Power Rankings for TLA and TLK characters. Avatar-state is not included.
Wind-bender:
A Aang (No-Avatar State) A- Zaheer A- Tenzin B- Kai / Jinora
Fire-bender:
A Ozai A- Azula A- Iroh A- P'Li B+ Creepy Combustion Man B Zuko B- Mako
Water-bender
A Amon A- Ming-Hua A- Katara A- Yakone B+ Unalag (Non-Avatar State) B Tarrlok B Evil Twins B Tonraq B Korra (Non-Avatar State)
Earth-Bender (Metal-Bender)
A Toph A- Kuvira A- Ghazan B Suyin B Lin B Bolin
Reason why Korra is so low is because she's a very weak bender without the Avatar State. She has lost to every villain without it.
Bolin is B instead of B- because his fire-bending has lava-bending
EDIT: Tenzin moved from B+ to A-
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Are you counting Aang's potential skill later in his life or just his peak in the fight vs Ozai? And I never felt that Aang was superior to Azula just counting airbending, he needed to use other elements to get an advantage vs her. And are you taking Azula's agility into account or just her bending skills? (for instance, Tenzin is not at his physical peak right now) And Amon has the benefit of bloodbending skills (which are super imba), but is there that much evidence he's an A level waterbender besides this?
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I'd personally never put Ozai over Iroh, but that might be because we never really saw Ozai without the comet so we dont know how powerful he was. Also not sure if Kai's on the same level of bending as Jinora, really doubt that. But it's your personal list also, regarding Amon's regular waterbending, it was implied only strong waterbenders could bloodbend so one can assume he has decent bending there. He did create a nice waterspout when korra knocked him into the air and he didnt seem to take much effort creating it - he seemed a decently powerful "regular" waterbender as well
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On December 05 2014 06:10 parkufarku wrote: This is my personal list of Power Rankings for TLA and TLK characters. Avatar-state is not included.
Wind-bender:
A Aang (No-Avatar State) A- Zaheer B+ Tenzin B- Kai / Jinora
Fire-bender:
A Ozai A- Azula A- Iroh A- P'Li B+ Creepy Combustion Man B Zuko B- Mako
Water-bender
A Amon A- Ming-Hua A- Katara A- Yakone B+ Unalag (Non-Avatar State) B Tarrlok B Evil Twins B Tonraq B Korra (Non-Avatar State)
Earth-Bender (Metal-Bender)
A Toph A- Kuvira A- Ghazan B Suyin B Lin B Bolin
Reason why Korra is so low is because she's a very weak bender without the Avatar State. She has lost to every villain without it.
Bolin is B instead of B- because his fire-bending has lava-bending
over all i would have to agree with you here but i'm curious as to why Bolin is as far down as he is? he is one of 2 (known) lava benders and was rather good as a professional bender. but at the same time there are a lot of really good earth benders.. and people like Suyin who we don't truly see them show off how good they are. it's just implied.
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Firebending list with no Jeong Jeong is no firebending list at all O_O
IMO placing Bolin, Mako, Kai and some of the others there is a bit silly, sure they're main characters and all but they aren't that impressive firebenders. Perhaps among the better ones in the world but not top tier really.
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We dont know how strong Bolin has become. He made a lot of lava very quickly in that fight at the border, so maybe hes really strong now. Ghazan took out the whole airtemple, i figure Bolin can do the same by now. And it's a pretty strong technique for fighting, one hit and you dun goofed. I agree that Mako and Kai arent exceptional though.
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On December 05 2014 06:26 Grumbels wrote: Are you counting Aang's potential skill later in his life or just his peak in the fight vs Ozai? And I never felt that Aang was superior to Azula just counting airbending, he needed to use other elements to get an advantage vs her. And are you taking Azula's agility into account or just her bending skills? (for instance, Tenzin is not at his physical peak right now) And Amon has the benefit of bloodbending skills (which are super imba), but is there that much evidence he's an A level waterbender besides this?
Well, when he got found out, Amon did that waterspout-for-legs thing, which seems to be a fairly high-level technique.
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When did Bolin become so good at lavabending? Hasn't he done it like twice before? I've never seen him practice. And this season his earthbending is on a very high level also. And despite his lack of metalbending he was given a high position in Kuvira's group. He also has a well connected and attractive girlfriend.
I'm just going to assume the writers were explicitly told to make Bolin more relevant since kids like his antics. Because in a sensible world Bolin would never be good at anything and nobody important would want to be friends with him.
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On December 05 2014 06:10 parkufarku wrote: This is my personal list of Power Rankings for TLA and TLK characters. Avatar-state is not included.
Wind-bender:
Jesus fucking Christ first show was called The Last Airbender how the fuck is it possible for you to still get it wrong.
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On December 05 2014 08:28 Grumbels wrote: When did Bolin become so good at lavabending? Hasn't he done it like twice before? I've never seen him practice. And this season his earthbending is on a very high level also. And despite his lack of metalbending he was given a high position in Kuvira's group. He also has a well connected and attractive girlfriend.
I'm just going to assume the writers were explicitly told to make Bolin more relevant since kids like his antics. Because in a sensible world Bolin would never be good at anything and nobody important would want to be friends with him. Bolin does have a lot of strength, but it you look closely you'll notice that his bending is also very reckless and sloppy. Ghazan had a lot more precision, for example, when he did lavabending.
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On December 05 2014 09:07 Takuma wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2014 06:10 parkufarku wrote: This is my personal list of Power Rankings for TLA and TLK characters. Avatar-state is not included.
Wind-bender:
Jesus fucking Christ first show was called The Last Airbender how the fuck is it possible for you to still get it wrong.
He might be from another country dude, chill. It wasn't called The Last Airbender everywhere (just in the USA, in fact).
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I mostly agree with the rankings, though Tenzin definitely wrecked Zaheer 1v1
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On December 05 2014 06:10 parkufarku wrote: This is my personal list of Power Rankings for TLA and TLK characters. Avatar-state is not included.
Wind-bender:
A Aang (No-Avatar State) A- Zaheer B+ Tenzin B- Kai / Jinora
Fire-bender:
A Ozai A- Azula A- Iroh A- P'Li B+ Creepy Combustion Man B Zuko B- Mako
Water-bender
A Amon A- Ming-Hua A- Katara A- Yakone B+ Unalag (Non-Avatar State) B Tarrlok B Evil Twins B Tonraq B Korra (Non-Avatar State)
Earth-Bender (Metal-Bender)
A Toph A- Kuvira A- Ghazan B Suyin B Lin B Bolin
Reason why Korra is so low is because she's a very weak bender without the Avatar State. She has lost to every villain without it.
Bolin is B instead of B- because his fire-bending has lava-bending
Wouldn't Azula be on par with Ozai? She after all has been shown to be capable of using her firebending to fly (albeit in short bursts) even without comet enhancement, and even shooting lightning out after doing so. Even Ozai himself grew scared of Azula's ambition and firebending prowess.
If Azula didn't go insane, I would think there was no way Zuko would have ever beat her during that comet Agni Kai fight.
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