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On December 01 2014 01:25 Grumbels wrote:
I think the world Korra inhabits doesn't really need an avatar. If she didn't exist then the Amon situation might have resolved itself, furthermore she's the main reason the schemes of Unalaq and Zaheer were relevant. Maybe she has a chance to redeem herself this season, since Kuvira is more similar to Ozai in terms of the threat they pose, -- both are tyrants with a super weapon (spirit bomb & comet fire).
Now Sozin on the other hand totally wiped out every air bender because there was no avatar. How can you say they dont need an avatar. Who is to tell that at some point in the future one ruler doesnt go crazy and try to wipe out all waterbenders, or airbenders again. Maybe right now she isnt really needed because the nations are largely at peace, or at least were before Kuvira.
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I highly doubt they are going for a "the world doesn't need an avatar" ending.
All of the villains say as much, but problems keep arising that only Korra is capable of resolving.
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The avatar makes conceptual sense for a world divided pretty strongly into four unique groups that need to keep each other in balance. A world completely intertwined, with bending being an archaic art replaced by technology, doesn't need an avatar any more than that our world would need a superhero to save it.
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On December 01 2014 02:30 LegalLord wrote:
I highly doubt they are going for a "the world doesn't need an avatar" ending.
All of the villains say as much, but problems keep arising that only Korra is capable of resolving.
Like what? Amon and the equalists are the only enemies Korra didn't have a direct hand in creating. She got duped by Unalaq into freeing Vaatu, something he couldn't have done without her. Without Korra, Unalaq's plan is just another civil war, and nothing world-ending comes of it. She reconnected the Spirit World and normal world which, besides all the chaos that caused, also enabled the Red Lotus to come to power. And because Kuvira came to power due to the Red Lotus, that's also Korra's fault. So basically, 3/4 central conflicts are either directly Korra's fault or were drastically exacerbated by her presence.
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On December 01 2014 02:55 Millitron wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2014 02:30 LegalLord wrote:
I highly doubt they are going for a "the world doesn't need an avatar" ending.
All of the villains say as much, but problems keep arising that only Korra is capable of resolving. Like what? Amon and the equalists are the only enemies Korra didn't have a direct hand in creating. She got duped by Unalaq into freeing Vaatu, something he couldn't have done without her. Without Korra, Unalaq's plan is just another civil war, and nothing world-ending comes of it. She reconnected the Spirit World and normal world which, besides all the chaos that caused, also enabled the Red Lotus to come to power. And because Kuvira came to power due to the Red Lotus, that's also Korra's fault. So basically, 3/4 central conflicts are either directly Korra's fault or were drastically exacerbated by her presence.
Can we just forget season 2 ever existed, nothing in that makes any sense. We see spirits traveling in and out of the spirit world all the time and im sure Vaatu would have gotten out of his prison without opening the portals and then go to the physical world like all the other random spirits like Heibai and Wan Shi Tong and whatnot. Opening the portals was just so Unalaq could go there and merge with Vaatu for whatever reason.
Amon's problem is not with Korra but with bending in general.
Im pretty sure they did not need Zaheer to have airbending to assassinate the leaders. It just wasnt their immediate plan and then they got captured. So while Korra is responsinble for Zaheer getting out, if there never was Korra they would never be in prison and would have tried to execute the Queen anyway. It may or may not have failed, but assassinations happen in real life too and we dont have super powers.
Now if the queen would have died its hard to say what would happen afterwards. Would Kuvira still rise to power when there is still the Red Lotus gang around? Maybe, maybe not.
Edit: Point is, you might blame Korra for all what happened and you might even be right doing that, but the world still needs the Avatar.
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On December 01 2014 02:55 Millitron wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2014 02:30 LegalLord wrote:
I highly doubt they are going for a "the world doesn't need an avatar" ending.
All of the villains say as much, but problems keep arising that only Korra is capable of resolving. Like what? Amon and the equalists are the only enemies Korra didn't have a direct hand in creating. She got duped by Unalaq into freeing Vaatu, something he couldn't have done without her. Without Korra, Unalaq's plan is just another civil war, and nothing world-ending comes of it. She reconnected the Spirit World and normal world which, besides all the chaos that caused, also enabled the Red Lotus to come to power. And because Kuvira came to power due to the Red Lotus, that's also Korra's fault. So basically, 3/4 central conflicts are either directly Korra's fault or were drastically exacerbated by her presence.
Sure, Korra did create a lot of her enemies, but she also had a hand in stopping them.
If Korra weren't around, the Equalists would have had better preparation and they would almost certainly have won. Then they would end the air nation and that would be the end of that.
The spirit portal issue was definitely Korra's fault and she did get a lot of in-character flak for that, but it did bring back the airbenders. That could be both good and bad.
I wouldn't blame Korra for the Red Lotus or for Kuvira. There was absolutely no way that anyone could have predicted what could have freed one of the members and it could easily have been anything else (i.e. what if Ming-Hua developed bloodbending and freed herself that way?). Nor is Korra responsible for the fact that the EK was on the brink of collapse and that it would take a single assassination to bring the entire order crumbling to the ground. OTOH, she is the only one capable of properly dealing with these conflicts as the avatar.
On December 01 2014 02:49 Grumbels wrote:
The avatar makes conceptual sense for a world divided pretty strongly into four unique groups that need to keep each other in balance. A world completely intertwined, with bending being an archaic art replaced by technology, doesn't need an avatar any more than that our world would need a superhero to save it.
Our world doesn't have spirits or technology based on those magical arts either. Besides, an impartial peacekeeper that had the power to do what is right wouldn't be particularly bad in our world either.
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On December 01 2014 03:12 LegalLord wrote:
Besides, an impartial peacekeeper that had the power to do what is right wouldn't be particularly bad in our world either.
You say that and I just imagine the American government being like "Sounds like you could use some freedom  "
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On November 30 2014 23:44 Nahsom wrote:
So after things cooled down a bit. I want to ask you guys about the meditation position of Korra / Aang / Tenzen ? This knuckle position looks so fucking tense and uncomfortable. I am quite into meditation and it kinda irritates me every time.
It isn't the only position they use as far as I can tell.
Also I think the ending can go both ways with the kind of ending they did with TLAK or with korra even giving up her avatar powers
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On December 01 2014 03:21 BlackPaladin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2014 03:12 LegalLord wrote:
Besides, an impartial peacekeeper that had the power to do what is right wouldn't be particularly bad in our world either. You say that and I just imagine the American government being like "Sounds like you could use some freedom "
Superman always fought for "truth, justice, and the American way" so why would any other super-powered being be any different?
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On December 01 2014 07:07 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2014 03:21 BlackPaladin wrote:On December 01 2014 03:12 LegalLord wrote:
Besides, an impartial peacekeeper that had the power to do what is right wouldn't be particularly bad in our world either. You say that and I just imagine the American government being like "Sounds like you could use some freedom " Superman always fought for "truth, justice, and the American way" so why would any other super-powered being be any different?
Well, there's a pretty good reason why Superman is pretty much the only character that's allowed to be "Superman" anymore. If any other character did what he did (i.e., be all powerful and police the world, and always get to be right) without any of his legacy built up, he'd be shit on for being a Mary Sue.
Hell, even Superman gets a lot of flack for being such a flat, perfect character.
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On December 01 2014 07:56 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2014 07:07 LegalLord wrote:On December 01 2014 03:21 BlackPaladin wrote:On December 01 2014 03:12 LegalLord wrote:
Besides, an impartial peacekeeper that had the power to do what is right wouldn't be particularly bad in our world either. You say that and I just imagine the American government being like "Sounds like you could use some freedom " Superman always fought for "truth, justice, and the American way" so why would any other super-powered being be any different? Well, there's a pretty good reason why Superman is pretty much the only character that's allowed to be "Superman" anymore. If any other character did what he did (i.e., be all powerful and police the world, and always get to be right) without any of his legacy built up, he'd be shit on for being a Mary Sue. Hell, even Superman gets a lot of flack for being such a flat, perfect character.
Yeah, we can all agree that Superman was a flawed character design that DC has no choice but to stick with because he just happens to be an important icon. My (not very serious) point was that he fights for the principles of America.
Judging by the lack of any such announcement, it doesn't look like they plan to do this as a four-part finale, which I think is somewhat unfortunate. All of the pieces are basically in place and I think the end to the entire series would certainly benefit from a more grandiose finish.
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On December 01 2014 00:36 Nahsom wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2014 00:03 Takuma wrote:On November 30 2014 23:44 Nahsom wrote:
So after things cooled down a bit. I want to ask you guys about the meditation position of Korra / Aang / Tenzen ? This knuckle position looks so fucking tense and uncomfortable. I am quite into meditation and it kinda irritates me every time. You're into meditation? LOL. It's the 21st Century buddy. People aren't going to think wow you're so cool for saying that. In fact, you probably think you're being all spiritual and shit but you're really just sitting there like an empty-headed fool. It's no different from praying to an imaginary God or washing yourself in the shit infested Ganges thinking there's some sort of spiritual significance. User was warned for this post Jeeez talking about built up anger. You should try meditation yourself ... It may help you 
On November 30 2014 23:44 Nahsom wrote:
So after things cooled down a bit. I want to ask you guys about the meditation position of Korra / Aang / Tenzen ? This knuckle position looks so fucking tense and uncomfortable. I am quite into meditation and it kinda irritates me every time.
User was warned for this post
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On December 01 2014 11:05 Takuma wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2014 00:36 Nahsom wrote:On December 01 2014 00:03 Takuma wrote:On November 30 2014 23:44 Nahsom wrote:
So after things cooled down a bit. I want to ask you guys about the meditation position of Korra / Aang / Tenzen ? This knuckle position looks so fucking tense and uncomfortable. I am quite into meditation and it kinda irritates me every time. You're into meditation? LOL. It's the 21st Century buddy. People aren't going to think wow you're so cool for saying that. In fact, you probably think you're being all spiritual and shit but you're really just sitting there like an empty-headed fool. It's no different from praying to an imaginary God or washing yourself in the shit infested Ganges thinking there's some sort of spiritual significance. User was warned for this post Jeeez talking about built up anger. You should try meditation yourself ... It may help you Show nested quote +On November 30 2014 23:44 Nahsom wrote:
So after things cooled down a bit. I want to ask you guys about the meditation position of Korra / Aang / Tenzen ? This knuckle position looks so fucking tense and uncomfortable. I am quite into meditation and it kinda irritates me every time.
The point of a lot of meditation positions is to be relaxed enough that you can clear your head, but not so relaxed that you fall asleep. The traditional lotus position is basically like that, the whole leg position is supposed to be mildly uncomfortable.
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Yeah, the point of the lotus position is that it helps to keep your back straight, and if you are flexible enough, it's comfortable. But half-lotus is a lot more accessible, and you can meditate kneeling on a pillow if you want. Point is to have decent posture + comfort to steady your breathing and relax/focus/ponder/reinforce, whatever you want to achieve.
But in this show, I think they use the knuckle position to enter the spirit world. Maybe you need some sort of chi flow to achieve that, and the knuckle thing helps.
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What's with all the Korra hate? I personally think she continues the somewhat inconsistent writing of the Aang. Put that aside, for me Korra is way more likable than Aang. In general I think LoK is superior to TLA in almost every way except the humor which is just great in both. But TLA had less good characters, more inconsistencies, rather flat story line, lots of fillers, more annoying chilidish conflict. I like TLA but it had good chunks that weren't really entertaining to me while LoK only has a few episode that I would consider weak.
That said, the newest episode was good. I like Zaheer (and ever did since s3). He isn't evil, he wants equality for the human race. It's only that his imagination of perfect equality (Anarchy) probably doesn't work with the human race that puts in the twist. All the reuniting scenes felt kinda rushed though, that was a bit sad. And Bolins picknick idea was some of the dumbest things I have seen lately.
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On December 01 2014 07:56 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2014 07:07 LegalLord wrote:On December 01 2014 03:21 BlackPaladin wrote:On December 01 2014 03:12 LegalLord wrote:
Besides, an impartial peacekeeper that had the power to do what is right wouldn't be particularly bad in our world either. You say that and I just imagine the American government being like "Sounds like you could use some freedom " Superman always fought for "truth, justice, and the American way" so why would any other super-powered being be any different? Well, there's a pretty good reason why Superman is pretty much the only character that's allowed to be "Superman" anymore. If any other character did what he did (i.e., be all powerful and police the world, and always get to be right) without any of his legacy built up, he'd be shit on for being a Mary Sue. Hell, even Superman gets a lot of flack for being such a flat, perfect character.
Superman also rarely deals with the nuanced issues that Korra is tackling, like a Warlord that is also providing stability in a region and keeping the people in the region safe, if oppressed. Or the idea that violence can't solve every problem and you can't just say "I am the Avatar".
And to people who are saying that Korra is weaker than Aang, they are just silly. Aang was just a weak as Korra until the end of the series. Also Korra has done just as impressive of stuff as Aang, like fight while poisoned and defeat three every power benders. Now she has PTSD from almost dying(which is like human and shit and could happen to Aang).
People need to take a deep breath and know that Korra will break it out in the last episode. She will likely beat the big bad without the Avatar state, because that shit is a crutch of story telling.
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On December 01 2014 19:22 Miragee wrote:
What's with all the Korra hate? I personally think she continues the somewhat inconsistent writing of the Aang. Put that aside, for me Korra is way more likable than Aang. In general I think LoK is superior to TLA in almost every way except the humor which is just great in both. But TLA had less good characters, more inconsistencies, rather flat story line, lots of fillers, more annoying chilidish conflict. I like TLA but it had good chunks that weren't really entertaining to me while LoK only has a few episode that I would consider weak.
That said, the newest episode was good. I like Zaheer (and ever did since s3). He isn't evil, he wants equality for the human race. It's only that his imagination of perfect equality (Anarchy) probably doesn't work with the human race that puts in the twist. All the reuniting scenes felt kinda rushed though, that was a bit sad. And Bolins picknick idea was some of the dumbest things I have seen lately.
Well, LoK has terrible character development, as someone already said here. Like, after all those years Bolin is still an idiot, Mako is still a headstrong teenager who cannot work out his feelings, and Korra is still struggling to become "a real avatar".
Seriously, this Bolin thing is the saddest in the series. He's incredibly inconsistent being a complete idiot in some situations and showing signs of brilliance in others. His awkward humor almost ruined the rather emotional ending of season 3 (al least it partly spoiled Zaheer, who is a complicated serious character) and his idiocy feels really out of place in the last episode. It's been 3 years, come on, show some growth.
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Let us not forget the end of TLAB, when we got the hot humor of "The Loser Lord" and "the lord of getting his butt kick". That was some fucking high quality shit. And then Sokka draws a terrible picture and they make jokes about that.
And Korra is just being the real Avatar. This is what being the Avatar is. Other Avatar's have lost before and then come back to victory.
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On December 01 2014 23:49 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2014 07:56 WolfintheSheep wrote:On December 01 2014 07:07 LegalLord wrote:On December 01 2014 03:21 BlackPaladin wrote:On December 01 2014 03:12 LegalLord wrote:
Besides, an impartial peacekeeper that had the power to do what is right wouldn't be particularly bad in our world either. You say that and I just imagine the American government being like "Sounds like you could use some freedom " Superman always fought for "truth, justice, and the American way" so why would any other super-powered being be any different? Well, there's a pretty good reason why Superman is pretty much the only character that's allowed to be "Superman" anymore. If any other character did what he did (i.e., be all powerful and police the world, and always get to be right) without any of his legacy built up, he'd be shit on for being a Mary Sue. Hell, even Superman gets a lot of flack for being such a flat, perfect character. Superman also rarely deals with the nuanced issues that Korra is tackling, like a Warlord that is also providing stability in a region and keeping the people in the region safe, if oppressed. Or the idea that violence can't solve every problem and you can't just say "I am the Avatar". And to people who are saying that Korra is weaker than Aang, they are just silly. Aang was just a weak as Korra until the end of the series. Also Korra has done just as impressive of stuff as Aang, like fight while poisoned and defeat three every power benders. Now she has PTSD from almost dying(which is like human and shit and could happen to Aang). People need to take a deep breath and know that Korra will break it out in the last episode. She will likely beat the big bad without the Avatar state, because that shit is a crutch of story telling.
Superman actually does, fairly regularly. Well, not the same kind of issues, but things with nuance.
Of course, the problem with the Superman franchise is that he always has to live by his values, and always has to be right in doing so, so the universe generally bends to his will just to let him off the hook. Like, any time they make him face off against someone where killing is the only logical end, they give him an easy cop-out...like the whole Phantom Zone thing.
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On December 02 2014 02:40 BluzMan wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2014 19:22 Miragee wrote:
What's with all the Korra hate? I personally think she continues the somewhat inconsistent writing of the Aang. Put that aside, for me Korra is way more likable than Aang. In general I think LoK is superior to TLA in almost every way except the humor which is just great in both. But TLA had less good characters, more inconsistencies, rather flat story line, lots of fillers, more annoying chilidish conflict. I like TLA but it had good chunks that weren't really entertaining to me while LoK only has a few episode that I would consider weak.
That said, the newest episode was good. I like Zaheer (and ever did since s3). He isn't evil, he wants equality for the human race. It's only that his imagination of perfect equality (Anarchy) probably doesn't work with the human race that puts in the twist. All the reuniting scenes felt kinda rushed though, that was a bit sad. And Bolins picknick idea was some of the dumbest things I have seen lately. Well, LoK has terrible character development, as someone already said here. Like, after all those years Bolin is still an idiot, Mako is still a headstrong teenager who cannot work out his feelings, and Korra is still struggling to become "a real avatar". Seriously, this Bolin thing is the saddest in the series. He's incredibly inconsistent being a complete idiot in some situations and showing signs of brilliance in others. His awkward humor almost ruined the rather emotional ending of season 3 (al least it partly spoiled Zaheer, who is a complicated serious character) and his idiocy feels really out of place in the last episode. It's been 3 years, come on, show some growth.
I think LoK is better then TLA, after going watching some episodes back of season 2 and 3 I was suprised how childish it felt to me, especially aang and sokka, sokka was quite funny most of the time, but with aang it felt annoying.
The story line of mako is meh, and boilin feels quite stupid aswell but varick makes it fun.
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