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I actually feel bad for Mako this season. He is so far away from a lot of the action, outside of Prince Wu's kidnapping. Guy could probably do a bit of damage if they would let him.
Also, as a note, I really like this season so far, outside of them fucking around with now three week late showdown with Toph and Kuvira. Seriously, was Toph halfway across the world when that happened? Pretty sure she is really close to that tree in terms of distance. I get the army thing, but I doubt they would pose much of a challenge to THE original metal bender. Though I suppose if that happened, Kuvira would have been stopped too early in the series, and not by Korra's hand, as I'm sure the writers are going to force on us.
We need Tenzin to just fight Kuvira. He is the only consistently bad ass character in this series that didn't take shit from any of the villains. Too bad he is determined to stay neutral with this whole situation, which is the right course of action imo.
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Isn't Kuvira flying around in a zeppelin? Toph could start a fight, but they'd just relocate.
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On December 02 2014 05:10 Grumbels wrote:
Isn't Kuvira flying around in a zeppelin? Toph could start a fight, but they'd just relocate.
Giant metal zeppelin that Toph could probably metalbend.
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On December 02 2014 05:12 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2014 05:10 Grumbels wrote:
Isn't Kuvira flying around in a zeppelin? Toph could start a fight, but they'd just relocate. Giant metal zeppelin that Toph could probably metalbend.
I don't think metal bending against an army of metal benders is going to be a fool proof plan. But this is why I am holding off until the series is complete. I can't deal with this drip feed Avatar viewing.
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On December 02 2014 05:12 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2014 05:10 Grumbels wrote:
Isn't Kuvira flying around in a zeppelin? Toph could start a fight, but they'd just relocate. Giant metal zeppelin that Toph could probably metalbend.
Maybe they reinforced it with anti-metalbending materials (didn't platinum serve in this capacity?) I mean, if you have an army of metalbenders and all your weaponry is metallic you only need one defector to spend ten minutes destroying all your equipment.
I mean, they have all these Mech-warriors yet clearly they can't just be crushed by a single metalbender. Or has there been an example of this happening? (can't recall)
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On December 02 2014 02:40 BluzMan wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2014 19:22 Miragee wrote:
What's with all the Korra hate? I personally think she continues the somewhat inconsistent writing of the Aang. Put that aside, for me Korra is way more likable than Aang. In general I think LoK is superior to TLA in almost every way except the humor which is just great in both. But TLA had less good characters, more inconsistencies, rather flat story line, lots of fillers, more annoying chilidish conflict. I like TLA but it had good chunks that weren't really entertaining to me while LoK only has a few episode that I would consider weak.
That said, the newest episode was good. I like Zaheer (and ever did since s3). He isn't evil, he wants equality for the human race. It's only that his imagination of perfect equality (Anarchy) probably doesn't work with the human race that puts in the twist. All the reuniting scenes felt kinda rushed though, that was a bit sad. And Bolins picknick idea was some of the dumbest things I have seen lately. Well, LoK has terrible character development, as someone already said here. Like, after all those years Bolin is still an idiot, Mako is still a headstrong teenager who cannot work out his feelings, and Korra is still struggling to become "a real avatar". Seriously, this Bolin thing is the saddest in the series. He's incredibly inconsistent being a complete idiot in some situations and showing signs of brilliance in others. His awkward humor almost ruined the rather emotional ending of season 3 (al least it partly spoiled Zaheer, who is a complicated serious character) and his idiocy feels really out of place in the last episode. It's been 3 years, come on, show some growth.
Agreed, the character development is mostly non existent in the avatar which is sad. This was also a problem in the original TLA. Character would just not learn from their past mistakes, conflicts etc.
On December 02 2014 04:16 sabas123 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2014 02:40 BluzMan wrote:On December 01 2014 19:22 Miragee wrote:
What's with all the Korra hate? I personally think she continues the somewhat inconsistent writing of the Aang. Put that aside, for me Korra is way more likable than Aang. In general I think LoK is superior to TLA in almost every way except the humor which is just great in both. But TLA had less good characters, more inconsistencies, rather flat story line, lots of fillers, more annoying chilidish conflict. I like TLA but it had good chunks that weren't really entertaining to me while LoK only has a few episode that I would consider weak.
That said, the newest episode was good. I like Zaheer (and ever did since s3). He isn't evil, he wants equality for the human race. It's only that his imagination of perfect equality (Anarchy) probably doesn't work with the human race that puts in the twist. All the reuniting scenes felt kinda rushed though, that was a bit sad. And Bolins picknick idea was some of the dumbest things I have seen lately. Well, LoK has terrible character development, as someone already said here. Like, after all those years Bolin is still an idiot, Mako is still a headstrong teenager who cannot work out his feelings, and Korra is still struggling to become "a real avatar". Seriously, this Bolin thing is the saddest in the series. He's incredibly inconsistent being a complete idiot in some situations and showing signs of brilliance in others. His awkward humor almost ruined the rather emotional ending of season 3 (al least it partly spoiled Zaheer, who is a complicated serious character) and his idiocy feels really out of place in the last episode. It's been 3 years, come on, show some growth. I think LoK is better then TLA, after going watching some episodes back of season 2 and 3 I was suprised how childish it felt to me, especially aang and sokka, sokka was quite funny most of the time, but with aang it felt annoying. The story line of mako is meh, and boilin feels quite stupid aswell but varick makes it fun.
I feel like Varick is a great replacement for Sokka, whom I found to be really funny. I didn't like him at first but he really grew on me through the last two seasons.
On December 02 2014 05:20 Grumbels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2014 05:12 WolfintheSheep wrote:On December 02 2014 05:10 Grumbels wrote:
Isn't Kuvira flying around in a zeppelin? Toph could start a fight, but they'd just relocate. Giant metal zeppelin that Toph could probably metalbend. Maybe they reinforced it with anti-metalbending materials (didn't platinum serve in this capacity?) I mean, if you have an army of metalbenders and all your weaponry is metallic you only need one defector to spend ten minutes destroying all your equipment. I mean, they have all these Mech-warriors yet clearly they can't just be crushed by a single metalbender. Or has there been an example of this happening? (can't recall)
Time for Toph to invent anti-metalbending-material-bending.
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On December 02 2014 05:20 Grumbels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2014 05:12 WolfintheSheep wrote:On December 02 2014 05:10 Grumbels wrote:
Isn't Kuvira flying around in a zeppelin? Toph could start a fight, but they'd just relocate. Giant metal zeppelin that Toph could probably metalbend. Maybe they reinforced it with anti-metalbending materials (didn't platinum serve in this capacity?) I mean, if you have an army of metalbenders and all your weaponry is metallic you only need one defector to spend ten minutes destroying all your equipment. I mean, they have all these Mech-warriors yet clearly they can't just be crushed by a single metalbender. Or has there been an example of this happening? (can't recall)
All the metal would have to be Platinum, which I doubt they can afford (or even have enough of).
Don't think Kuvira's power suits have gone up against Metalbenders, but they're based off the ones the Equalists used, which Lin could deal with.
And if you think about it, most Metalbenders aren't nearly on the Beifong scale of ability. Sure, you could break up a lot of equipment, but no more than swinging a sledgehammer around. Even Kuvira's mostly precision over power.
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I would also point out the metal benders went up against the mechs in the first season and got rekt. I am willing to be that the new mechs have magnets in them as well to deal with metal bender(who often carry around their own ammo).
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Those mechs are surprisingly versatile and they were very strong against Bolin's lavabending. Also, they were able to beat Suyin handily, who is better than Toph was in TLA. I don't think Toph would win.
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Guns seem more powerful than metalbending, to be honest. Korra can just deflect Kuvira's metal projectiles, the closest thing to conventional weaponry in the series. Korra's skill set is also relatively static, while technology keeps improving. There will come a time when the mechs will be able to defeat even the Avatar. Kuvira just has to hold out until that point instead of forcing the issue, but she doesn't seem to think long-term.
Then again, this is probably a modern mindset which is not obvious to people living in the Earth Kingdom, although it's something you would expect from a Zaofu native.
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On December 02 2014 05:27 Miragee wrote:
This was also a problem in the original TLA. Character would just not learn from their past mistakes, conflicts etc.
Do you have an example of this? Saying that they didn't learn from past mistakes is kind of a stretch.
I mean, besides Toph, and to a much lesser extent Katara, all of the main characters in the original series had fairly consistent character growth. Hell, Aang was terrified of firebending for the majority of the series because of that one time he hurt Katara in the first season, which is brought up multiple times. Sokka (whether justified or not) beat himself up over what happened on the Day of Black Sun, which is part of the reason he and Zuko broke into the Boiling Rock to free his father.
I mean, I guess you could argue that Zuko's choice at the end of Season 2 is an example, but even that is somewhat plausible. Azula offered him what he always wanted, and Zuko isn't exactly the sharpest tool in the shed. There might be some other scattered instances of inconsistent character growth, but to say that they didn't learn overall is, again, a stretch.
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Aang ran away from all the Avatar responsibilities for like the entire series, and only stopped because he got a plot ticket that let him be the Avatar and be nice.
Katara had like...half-a-dozen episodes devoted to her being a control freak, and some moral about how bad it was?
Characters like Sokka and Azula were fairly static in their characters until they got one episode to force a change on them (Sokka learning to fight, Azula going batshit crazy).
Zuko's issues were part of his character, so that's forgivable.
Granted, most of the characters were interesting as they were, even if they kept doing stupid/questionable things it was at least entertaining. But quite a few episodes still fell into the "Problem->Fumble->Tell Aang to be the Avatar->Problem solved" category.
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Zuko had amazing character development though.
Back when I watched TLA for the first time, I knew right away Zuko would end up being a good guy. Nonetheless, I still enjoyed watching him change from season to season. I love the way they handled it: beginning at bad, going into conflicted and possibly changed, then back to what he was chasing, only to find out it's not satisfying enough for him and doesn't feel right, etc.
They obviously had a heavy focus on Zuko's character development and his change of heart in general, as it happened slowly over time, so it may have overstepped on the development of other protagonists. To say Zuko had no character development is just baseless though.
It seems it's not the team's forte, unless they focus on characters one by one.
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To a degree. Most of his growth happened over Season 2 and especially Season 3. Season 1, he really existed just to keep the Gaang moving along, and fell into the weekly villain scheme cliche.
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On December 02 2014 07:54 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Aang ran away from all the Avatar responsibilities for like the entire series, and only stopped because he got a plot ticket that let him be the Avatar and be nice.
Katara had like...half-a-dozen episodes devoted to her being a control freak, and some moral about how bad it was?
Characters like Sokka and Azula were fairly static in their characters until they got one episode to force a change on them (Sokka learning to fight, Azula going batshit crazy).
Zuko's issues were part of his character, so that's forgivable.
Granted, most of the characters were interesting as they were, even if they kept doing stupid/questionable things it was at least entertaining. But quite a few episodes still fell into the "Problem->Fumble->Tell Aang to be the Avatar->Problem solved" category.
Aang had gradual growth throughout the entire series, especially in season 3 where he starts becoming kind of the mediator for the group (trying to talk Katara out of killing that one dude, for example). I mean, yeah, the whole "do I kill Ozai" plot was dumb (especially because it should have been brought up during the Day of Black Sun to start with), but that doesn't undermine the rest of his character development.
Sokka had development as well, though admittedly, not as much. For example, in season three, he actually has own "honor" subplot kind of like Zuko's. He also gradually becomes more mature and somewhat of a leader in his own right, learns to respect women, etc.
I can see Katara's development being kind of wonky; it's mostly because she doesn''t get called out on a lot of the things she does and says, like telling Sokka that he didn't love their Mom as much as she did, just because he didn't want to go out and kill the guy who killed her (which is a little messed up since it seemed like Sokka was actually pretty hurt by that). On the other hand, Katara was already fairly mature for her age from the get-go, and pretty often was the one keeping the group moving forward. It's possible that she just didn't need as much development as the rest; kind of like Iroh, who didn't develop at all during the series, but didn't really need to.
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On December 02 2014 10:09 WolfintheSheep wrote:
To a degree. Most of his growth happened over Season 2 and especially Season 3. Season 1, he really existed just to keep the Gaang moving along, and fell into the weekly villain scheme cliche.
I disagree.
Even early on, there were glimpses of his better self. The Storm comes to mind. It was the episode when we learn the backstory of both Zuko and Aang, and Zuko ends up choosing the safety of his crew members over the chase of the Avatar. There's also him saving Aang from Zhao's fortress, albeit he had ulterior, and bad, motives.
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On December 02 2014 10:29 Spaylz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2014 10:09 WolfintheSheep wrote:
To a degree. Most of his growth happened over Season 2 and especially Season 3. Season 1, he really existed just to keep the Gaang moving along, and fell into the weekly villain scheme cliche. I disagree. Even early on, there were glimpses of his better self. The Storm comes to mind. It was the episode when we learn the backstory of both Zuko and Aang, and Zuko ends up choosing the safety of his crew members over the chase of the Avatar. There's also him saving Aang from Zhao's fortress, albeit he had ulterior, and bad, motives.
And don't forget the end of Book One where he basically gives up the chase after coming so close and failing. Honestly, I think Zuko might've grown the most of all the characters in Avatar. Maybe even of all characters ever on Nickelodeon.
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On December 02 2014 10:29 Spaylz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2014 10:09 WolfintheSheep wrote:
To a degree. Most of his growth happened over Season 2 and especially Season 3. Season 1, he really existed just to keep the Gaang moving along, and fell into the weekly villain scheme cliche. I disagree. Even early on, there were glimpses of his better self. The Storm comes to mind. It was the episode when we learn the backstory of both Zuko and Aang, and Zuko ends up choosing the safety of his crew members over the chase of the Avatar. There's also him saving Aang from Zhao's fortress, albeit he had ulterior, and bad, motives.
Those weren't glimpses. It was established on like Episode 2, maybe even 1, that his character was all about personal honour.
But yes, Zuko is probably the best developed character in all of the Avatar story. But everything in Book 1 was completely in line with the character that's laid out in his duel with Zhao. It's really only in Book 2 where you start questioning if he'll become "better" as a person.
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Who do you think was the strongest waterbending villain? Or waterbender in Korra? Korra herself excluded since she's an Avatar and Unalaq with Vaatu excluded.
Amon > Tarlokk for sure
but Unalaq seems decently strong. He can at least beat Mako and Bolin but that's something most characters can do.
Then there's Ming Hua
Eska & Desna count as one
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overall in skill i think ming hua trumps them all but in a fight one on one i cant imagine any of those beating amon's bloodbending
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