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On February 11 2013 11:10 MayorITC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 10:33 Navi wrote:
given how hwaryun and coffeeman are connected to fug and have used / aided rachel, i think its very possible that she has connections. She has connections, but not to FUG. Head-on is aiding her. FUG is on the complete opposite side since Zahard has the blessings of the Guardians. Head-on wanted Rachel to do something in exchange for his aid (providing Akryung as a teammate). That something was most likely to kill Baam since Baam is a threat to Zahard and the entire system set up by the Guardians (and perhaps to the Guardians themselves). Don't forget that Head-on wanted Baam to fail the first test by rigging it completely. Yu Han Sung probably figured something was up and assigned Hwa Ryun to monitor Rachel so that they (FUG) could keep Baam alive. However, in order to keep a low profile on Baam, it was necessary to "fake" his death so they used Rachel's psychopath personality to stage his death. Yes, Rachel is crazy. But everyone has their own story so I can't really judge. I thought Ho was fucked up for taking his jealousy too far, but I became more sympathetic after learning his background story. In the end, everyone is "human." Except Baam who is an individual who will always stick to his moral code of friendship above all. And that's why he is the protagonist of the story.
I sort of had a different interpretation of Head-on, both baam and rachel came in through the open gate right, so technically they are both "non-regular" and not bound by the laws of the tower. I feel Head-on doesn't fully support zahard which is why he allowed both of these non-regulars up the first floor. The first test is hard yes, but the difficulty actually helped baam because it netted him the black march. The betrayal actually allowed FUG access to Baam and the result is that you now have 2 non-regulars climbing the tower, one still posing as a regular and one drawing all the attention as a talented slayer. So in the end Head-on's actions were reallying helping the FUG more than protecting the tower.
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On February 11 2013 11:24 kdgns wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 11:10 MayorITC wrote:On February 11 2013 10:33 Navi wrote:
given how hwaryun and coffeeman are connected to fug and have used / aided rachel, i think its very possible that she has connections. She has connections, but not to FUG. Head-on is aiding her. FUG is on the complete opposite side since Zahard has the blessings of the Guardians. Head-on wanted Rachel to do something in exchange for his aid (providing Akryung as a teammate). That something was most likely to kill Baam since Baam is a threat to Zahard and the entire system set up by the Guardians (and perhaps to the Guardians themselves). Don't forget that Head-on wanted Baam to fail the first test by rigging it completely. Yu Han Sung probably figured something was up and assigned Hwa Ryun to monitor Rachel so that they (FUG) could keep Baam alive. However, in order to keep a low profile on Baam, it was necessary to "fake" his death so they used Rachel's psychopath personality to stage his death. Yes, Rachel is crazy. But everyone has their own story so I can't really judge. I thought Ho was fucked up for taking his jealousy too far, but I became more sympathetic after learning his background story. In the end, everyone is "human." Except Baam who is an individual who will always stick to his moral code of friendship above all. And that's why he is the protagonist of the story. I sort of had a different interpretation of Head-on, both baam and rachel came in through the open gate right, so technically they are both "non-regular" and not bound by the laws of the tower. I feel Head-on doesn't fully support zahard which is why he allowed both of these non-regulars up the first floor. The first test is hard yes, but the difficulty actually helped baam because it netted him the black march. The betrayal actually allowed FUG access to Baam and the result is that you now have 2 non-regulars climbing the tower, one still posing as a regular and one drawing all the attention as a talented slayer. So in the end Head-on's actions were reallying helping the FUG more than protecting the tower.
I think it was explained somewhere that Rachel is a regular.
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On February 11 2013 12:06 quirinus wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 11:24 kdgns wrote:On February 11 2013 11:10 MayorITC wrote:On February 11 2013 10:33 Navi wrote:
given how hwaryun and coffeeman are connected to fug and have used / aided rachel, i think its very possible that she has connections. She has connections, but not to FUG. Head-on is aiding her. FUG is on the complete opposite side since Zahard has the blessings of the Guardians. Head-on wanted Rachel to do something in exchange for his aid (providing Akryung as a teammate). That something was most likely to kill Baam since Baam is a threat to Zahard and the entire system set up by the Guardians (and perhaps to the Guardians themselves). Don't forget that Head-on wanted Baam to fail the first test by rigging it completely. Yu Han Sung probably figured something was up and assigned Hwa Ryun to monitor Rachel so that they (FUG) could keep Baam alive. However, in order to keep a low profile on Baam, it was necessary to "fake" his death so they used Rachel's psychopath personality to stage his death. Yes, Rachel is crazy. But everyone has their own story so I can't really judge. I thought Ho was fucked up for taking his jealousy too far, but I became more sympathetic after learning his background story. In the end, everyone is "human." Except Baam who is an individual who will always stick to his moral code of friendship above all. And that's why he is the protagonist of the story. I sort of had a different interpretation of Head-on, both baam and rachel came in through the open gate right, so technically they are both "non-regular" and not bound by the laws of the tower. I feel Head-on doesn't fully support zahard which is why he allowed both of these non-regulars up the first floor. The first test is hard yes, but the difficulty actually helped baam because it netted him the black march. The betrayal actually allowed FUG access to Baam and the result is that you now have 2 non-regulars climbing the tower, one still posing as a regular and one drawing all the attention as a talented slayer. So in the end Head-on's actions were reallying helping the FUG more than protecting the tower. I think it was explained somewhere that Rachel is a regular.
She's technically an irregular in that she came from outside the tower and is not subject to all it's rules/restrictions/contracts.
It was explained that irregulars are chosen by the tower itself rather than by Headon. She kinda snuck in instead of being chosen, but still an irregular where it matters.
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On February 11 2013 12:24 politik wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 12:06 quirinus wrote:On February 11 2013 11:24 kdgns wrote:On February 11 2013 11:10 MayorITC wrote:On February 11 2013 10:33 Navi wrote:
given how hwaryun and coffeeman are connected to fug and have used / aided rachel, i think its very possible that she has connections. She has connections, but not to FUG. Head-on is aiding her. FUG is on the complete opposite side since Zahard has the blessings of the Guardians. Head-on wanted Rachel to do something in exchange for his aid (providing Akryung as a teammate). That something was most likely to kill Baam since Baam is a threat to Zahard and the entire system set up by the Guardians (and perhaps to the Guardians themselves). Don't forget that Head-on wanted Baam to fail the first test by rigging it completely. Yu Han Sung probably figured something was up and assigned Hwa Ryun to monitor Rachel so that they (FUG) could keep Baam alive. However, in order to keep a low profile on Baam, it was necessary to "fake" his death so they used Rachel's psychopath personality to stage his death. Yes, Rachel is crazy. But everyone has their own story so I can't really judge. I thought Ho was fucked up for taking his jealousy too far, but I became more sympathetic after learning his background story. In the end, everyone is "human." Except Baam who is an individual who will always stick to his moral code of friendship above all. And that's why he is the protagonist of the story. I sort of had a different interpretation of Head-on, both baam and rachel came in through the open gate right, so technically they are both "non-regular" and not bound by the laws of the tower. I feel Head-on doesn't fully support zahard which is why he allowed both of these non-regulars up the first floor. The first test is hard yes, but the difficulty actually helped baam because it netted him the black march. The betrayal actually allowed FUG access to Baam and the result is that you now have 2 non-regulars climbing the tower, one still posing as a regular and one drawing all the attention as a talented slayer. So in the end Head-on's actions were reallying helping the FUG more than protecting the tower. I think it was explained somewhere that Rachel is a regular. She's technically an irregular in that she came from outside the tower and is not subject to all it's rules/restrictions/contracts. It was explained that irregulars are chosen by the tower itself rather than by Headon. She kinda snuck in instead of being chosen, but still an irregular where it matters.
U have the definition of an irregular wrong. Those who are chosen by the tower are regulars, those who come in by themselves are irregulars. Headon works with the tower.
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On February 11 2013 12:33 ProV1 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 12:24 politik wrote:On February 11 2013 12:06 quirinus wrote:On February 11 2013 11:24 kdgns wrote:On February 11 2013 11:10 MayorITC wrote:On February 11 2013 10:33 Navi wrote:
given how hwaryun and coffeeman are connected to fug and have used / aided rachel, i think its very possible that she has connections. She has connections, but not to FUG. Head-on is aiding her. FUG is on the complete opposite side since Zahard has the blessings of the Guardians. Head-on wanted Rachel to do something in exchange for his aid (providing Akryung as a teammate). That something was most likely to kill Baam since Baam is a threat to Zahard and the entire system set up by the Guardians (and perhaps to the Guardians themselves). Don't forget that Head-on wanted Baam to fail the first test by rigging it completely. Yu Han Sung probably figured something was up and assigned Hwa Ryun to monitor Rachel so that they (FUG) could keep Baam alive. However, in order to keep a low profile on Baam, it was necessary to "fake" his death so they used Rachel's psychopath personality to stage his death. Yes, Rachel is crazy. But everyone has their own story so I can't really judge. I thought Ho was fucked up for taking his jealousy too far, but I became more sympathetic after learning his background story. In the end, everyone is "human." Except Baam who is an individual who will always stick to his moral code of friendship above all. And that's why he is the protagonist of the story. I sort of had a different interpretation of Head-on, both baam and rachel came in through the open gate right, so technically they are both "non-regular" and not bound by the laws of the tower. I feel Head-on doesn't fully support zahard which is why he allowed both of these non-regulars up the first floor. The first test is hard yes, but the difficulty actually helped baam because it netted him the black march. The betrayal actually allowed FUG access to Baam and the result is that you now have 2 non-regulars climbing the tower, one still posing as a regular and one drawing all the attention as a talented slayer. So in the end Head-on's actions were reallying helping the FUG more than protecting the tower. I think it was explained somewhere that Rachel is a regular. She's technically an irregular in that she came from outside the tower and is not subject to all it's rules/restrictions/contracts. It was explained that irregulars are chosen by the tower itself rather than by Headon. She kinda snuck in instead of being chosen, but still an irregular where it matters. U have the definition of an irregular wrong. Those who are chosen by the tower are regulars, those who come in by themselves are irregulars. Headon works with the tower.
She's an irregular. The Company translated something from SIU and he said that she's considered an irregular since she wasn't chosen.
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On February 11 2013 10:18 PhoenixVoid wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 10:06 Scaramanga wrote:
I thought for sure Dan was going to get persuaded to become Rachel's goon after their chat earlier on, fucking awesome to see him respond like that Not very awesome to get stabbed in the neck by a psychopathic girl who has betrayed people in the past, and will almost certainly do it again.
I was expecting that question to be answered with 'sure Rachel, we'll go where ever you want to go', so to me it was pretty good
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Semi off-topic but was reading the beginning of Volume 2, where Yuri visits Repellista. At the door to Repellista has a huge sign saying Fus Ra Dah. Funny how you don't see these the first time. 
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On February 11 2013 11:10 MayorITC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 10:33 Navi wrote:
given how hwaryun and coffeeman are connected to fug and have used / aided rachel, i think its very possible that she has connections. She has connections, but not to FUG. Head-on is aiding her. FUG is on the complete opposite side since Zahard has the blessings of the Guardians. Head-on wanted Rachel to do something in exchange for his aid (providing Akryung as a teammate). That something was most likely to kill Baam since Baam is a threat to Zahard and the entire system set up by the Guardians (and perhaps to the Guardians themselves). Don't forget that Head-on wanted Baam to fail the first test by rigging it completely. Yu Han Sung probably figured something was up and assigned Hwa Ryun to monitor Rachel so that they (FUG) could keep Baam alive. However, in order to keep a low profile on Baam, it was necessary to "fake" his death so they used Rachel's psychopath personality to stage his death. Yes, Rachel is crazy. But everyone has their own story so I can't really judge. I thought Ho was fucked up for taking his jealousy too far, but I became more sympathetic after learning his background story. In the end, everyone is "human." Except Baam who is an individual who will always stick to his moral code of friendship above all. And that's why he is the protagonist of the story.
Correction she has connections with FUG.
Well why is this NPF, well because
1st FUG Guide (red head cyclops) told Rachel after/right before betraying Baam do you want to become the main character of this story.
2nd The whole reason the director of the second floor didn't want Baam to past was to recuit him in FUG after he lost all his friends (from my understanding), after Baam said well let's take the Guardian test (thus telling everyone he was an irregular, something some might has expected considering what Baam does on his first attempt to control 2 rooms took 2 years for a genius to do, and the youngest Zahard guard) they conceived the plan to "kill" Baam in order to take him under FUG control.
3rd Rachel in order to climb the tower needs a strong team, so she didn't just kill off her team for no reason, and the FUG people didn't seem interested in killing her this chapter. Thus making me think FUG getting Rachel to climb the tower pushes Baam up the tower no matter what. (side note: I think the 2 top 10 E-rankers we meet fire wave-controller and fisherman will be in Rachel team in the factory round)
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All I want is Rak to come back, he was the reason why I started reading this.
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On February 11 2013 13:53 DCLXVI wrote:
All I want is Rak to come back, he was the reason why I started reading this.
YES.
THIS.
TURTLES!!
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On February 11 2013 13:02 DystopiaX wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 12:33 ProV1 wrote:On February 11 2013 12:24 politik wrote:On February 11 2013 12:06 quirinus wrote:On February 11 2013 11:24 kdgns wrote:On February 11 2013 11:10 MayorITC wrote:On February 11 2013 10:33 Navi wrote:
given how hwaryun and coffeeman are connected to fug and have used / aided rachel, i think its very possible that she has connections. She has connections, but not to FUG. Head-on is aiding her. FUG is on the complete opposite side since Zahard has the blessings of the Guardians. Head-on wanted Rachel to do something in exchange for his aid (providing Akryung as a teammate). That something was most likely to kill Baam since Baam is a threat to Zahard and the entire system set up by the Guardians (and perhaps to the Guardians themselves). Don't forget that Head-on wanted Baam to fail the first test by rigging it completely. Yu Han Sung probably figured something was up and assigned Hwa Ryun to monitor Rachel so that they (FUG) could keep Baam alive. However, in order to keep a low profile on Baam, it was necessary to "fake" his death so they used Rachel's psychopath personality to stage his death. Yes, Rachel is crazy. But everyone has their own story so I can't really judge. I thought Ho was fucked up for taking his jealousy too far, but I became more sympathetic after learning his background story. In the end, everyone is "human." Except Baam who is an individual who will always stick to his moral code of friendship above all. And that's why he is the protagonist of the story. I sort of had a different interpretation of Head-on, both baam and rachel came in through the open gate right, so technically they are both "non-regular" and not bound by the laws of the tower. I feel Head-on doesn't fully support zahard which is why he allowed both of these non-regulars up the first floor. The first test is hard yes, but the difficulty actually helped baam because it netted him the black march. The betrayal actually allowed FUG access to Baam and the result is that you now have 2 non-regulars climbing the tower, one still posing as a regular and one drawing all the attention as a talented slayer. So in the end Head-on's actions were reallying helping the FUG more than protecting the tower. I think it was explained somewhere that Rachel is a regular. She's technically an irregular in that she came from outside the tower and is not subject to all it's rules/restrictions/contracts. It was explained that irregulars are chosen by the tower itself rather than by Headon. She kinda snuck in instead of being chosen, but still an irregular where it matters. U have the definition of an irregular wrong. Those who are chosen by the tower are regulars, those who come in by themselves are irregulars. Headon works with the tower. She's an irregular. The Company translated something from SIU and he said that she's considered an irregular since she wasn't chosen.
she's not a true irregular though... she piggybacked baam into the tower. she spent a while working baam to get him to open the tower for her, and she used the window when he entered to get in herself. so far at least, she hasn't shown any immense power like the other irregulars.
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On February 11 2013 14:52 absalom86 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 13:02 DystopiaX wrote:On February 11 2013 12:33 ProV1 wrote:On February 11 2013 12:24 politik wrote:On February 11 2013 12:06 quirinus wrote:On February 11 2013 11:24 kdgns wrote:On February 11 2013 11:10 MayorITC wrote:On February 11 2013 10:33 Navi wrote:
given how hwaryun and coffeeman are connected to fug and have used / aided rachel, i think its very possible that she has connections. She has connections, but not to FUG. Head-on is aiding her. FUG is on the complete opposite side since Zahard has the blessings of the Guardians. Head-on wanted Rachel to do something in exchange for his aid (providing Akryung as a teammate). That something was most likely to kill Baam since Baam is a threat to Zahard and the entire system set up by the Guardians (and perhaps to the Guardians themselves). Don't forget that Head-on wanted Baam to fail the first test by rigging it completely. Yu Han Sung probably figured something was up and assigned Hwa Ryun to monitor Rachel so that they (FUG) could keep Baam alive. However, in order to keep a low profile on Baam, it was necessary to "fake" his death so they used Rachel's psychopath personality to stage his death. Yes, Rachel is crazy. But everyone has their own story so I can't really judge. I thought Ho was fucked up for taking his jealousy too far, but I became more sympathetic after learning his background story. In the end, everyone is "human." Except Baam who is an individual who will always stick to his moral code of friendship above all. And that's why he is the protagonist of the story. I sort of had a different interpretation of Head-on, both baam and rachel came in through the open gate right, so technically they are both "non-regular" and not bound by the laws of the tower. I feel Head-on doesn't fully support zahard which is why he allowed both of these non-regulars up the first floor. The first test is hard yes, but the difficulty actually helped baam because it netted him the black march. The betrayal actually allowed FUG access to Baam and the result is that you now have 2 non-regulars climbing the tower, one still posing as a regular and one drawing all the attention as a talented slayer. So in the end Head-on's actions were reallying helping the FUG more than protecting the tower. I think it was explained somewhere that Rachel is a regular. She's technically an irregular in that she came from outside the tower and is not subject to all it's rules/restrictions/contracts. It was explained that irregulars are chosen by the tower itself rather than by Headon. She kinda snuck in instead of being chosen, but still an irregular where it matters. U have the definition of an irregular wrong. Those who are chosen by the tower are regulars, those who come in by themselves are irregulars. Headon works with the tower. She's an irregular. The Company translated something from SIU and he said that she's considered an irregular since she wasn't chosen. she's not a true irregular though... she piggybacked baam into the tower. she spent a while working baam to get him to open the tower for her, and she used the window when he entered to get in herself. so far at least, she hasn't shown any immense power like the other irregulars.
immense power isn't what makes you an irregular, you're an irregular if you force your way in/wasn't picked by Headon/the Tower to try to climb. She fits that definition, so according to SIU she's an irregular.
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On February 11 2013 14:52 absalom86 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 13:02 DystopiaX wrote:On February 11 2013 12:33 ProV1 wrote:On February 11 2013 12:24 politik wrote:On February 11 2013 12:06 quirinus wrote:On February 11 2013 11:24 kdgns wrote:On February 11 2013 11:10 MayorITC wrote:On February 11 2013 10:33 Navi wrote:
given how hwaryun and coffeeman are connected to fug and have used / aided rachel, i think its very possible that she has connections. She has connections, but not to FUG. Head-on is aiding her. FUG is on the complete opposite side since Zahard has the blessings of the Guardians. Head-on wanted Rachel to do something in exchange for his aid (providing Akryung as a teammate). That something was most likely to kill Baam since Baam is a threat to Zahard and the entire system set up by the Guardians (and perhaps to the Guardians themselves). Don't forget that Head-on wanted Baam to fail the first test by rigging it completely. Yu Han Sung probably figured something was up and assigned Hwa Ryun to monitor Rachel so that they (FUG) could keep Baam alive. However, in order to keep a low profile on Baam, it was necessary to "fake" his death so they used Rachel's psychopath personality to stage his death. Yes, Rachel is crazy. But everyone has their own story so I can't really judge. I thought Ho was fucked up for taking his jealousy too far, but I became more sympathetic after learning his background story. In the end, everyone is "human." Except Baam who is an individual who will always stick to his moral code of friendship above all. And that's why he is the protagonist of the story. I sort of had a different interpretation of Head-on, both baam and rachel came in through the open gate right, so technically they are both "non-regular" and not bound by the laws of the tower. I feel Head-on doesn't fully support zahard which is why he allowed both of these non-regulars up the first floor. The first test is hard yes, but the difficulty actually helped baam because it netted him the black march. The betrayal actually allowed FUG access to Baam and the result is that you now have 2 non-regulars climbing the tower, one still posing as a regular and one drawing all the attention as a talented slayer. So in the end Head-on's actions were reallying helping the FUG more than protecting the tower. I think it was explained somewhere that Rachel is a regular. She's technically an irregular in that she came from outside the tower and is not subject to all it's rules/restrictions/contracts. It was explained that irregulars are chosen by the tower itself rather than by Headon. She kinda snuck in instead of being chosen, but still an irregular where it matters. U have the definition of an irregular wrong. Those who are chosen by the tower are regulars, those who come in by themselves are irregulars. Headon works with the tower. She's an irregular. The Company translated something from SIU and he said that she's considered an irregular since she wasn't chosen. she's not a true irregular though... she piggybacked baam into the tower. she spent a while working baam to get him to open the tower for her, and she used the window when he entered to get in herself. so far at least, she hasn't shown any immense power like the other irregulars.
OK seems like theres a lot of confusion here about terms so I will explain what I meant, based off of SIU's notes translated by scanlators.
A regular is one that is chosen from the middle area and climbs the tower regularly, following all of its laws
A irregular is someone chosen by the tower, the gates open for them and they are not bound by the laws. Though all of them so far has been immensely powerful and brought chaos, this is not a requirement to be an irregular.
Rachel is one that is definitely not a regular in that she did not get chosen from the area, however she is also not an irregular in the sense that she was never chosen by the tower. Her existence then is only defined by what she is not; a "non-regular" not to be confused with "irregular"
whether or not non-regulars are bound by the laws of the tower are still unknown to me though...
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On February 11 2013 15:48 kdgns wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 14:52 absalom86 wrote:On February 11 2013 13:02 DystopiaX wrote:On February 11 2013 12:33 ProV1 wrote:On February 11 2013 12:24 politik wrote:On February 11 2013 12:06 quirinus wrote:On February 11 2013 11:24 kdgns wrote:On February 11 2013 11:10 MayorITC wrote:On February 11 2013 10:33 Navi wrote:
given how hwaryun and coffeeman are connected to fug and have used / aided rachel, i think its very possible that she has connections. She has connections, but not to FUG. Head-on is aiding her. FUG is on the complete opposite side since Zahard has the blessings of the Guardians. Head-on wanted Rachel to do something in exchange for his aid (providing Akryung as a teammate). That something was most likely to kill Baam since Baam is a threat to Zahard and the entire system set up by the Guardians (and perhaps to the Guardians themselves). Don't forget that Head-on wanted Baam to fail the first test by rigging it completely. Yu Han Sung probably figured something was up and assigned Hwa Ryun to monitor Rachel so that they (FUG) could keep Baam alive. However, in order to keep a low profile on Baam, it was necessary to "fake" his death so they used Rachel's psychopath personality to stage his death. Yes, Rachel is crazy. But everyone has their own story so I can't really judge. I thought Ho was fucked up for taking his jealousy too far, but I became more sympathetic after learning his background story. In the end, everyone is "human." Except Baam who is an individual who will always stick to his moral code of friendship above all. And that's why he is the protagonist of the story. I sort of had a different interpretation of Head-on, both baam and rachel came in through the open gate right, so technically they are both "non-regular" and not bound by the laws of the tower. I feel Head-on doesn't fully support zahard which is why he allowed both of these non-regulars up the first floor. The first test is hard yes, but the difficulty actually helped baam because it netted him the black march. The betrayal actually allowed FUG access to Baam and the result is that you now have 2 non-regulars climbing the tower, one still posing as a regular and one drawing all the attention as a talented slayer. So in the end Head-on's actions were reallying helping the FUG more than protecting the tower. I think it was explained somewhere that Rachel is a regular. She's technically an irregular in that she came from outside the tower and is not subject to all it's rules/restrictions/contracts. It was explained that irregulars are chosen by the tower itself rather than by Headon. She kinda snuck in instead of being chosen, but still an irregular where it matters. U have the definition of an irregular wrong. Those who are chosen by the tower are regulars, those who come in by themselves are irregulars. Headon works with the tower. She's an irregular. The Company translated something from SIU and he said that she's considered an irregular since she wasn't chosen. she's not a true irregular though... she piggybacked baam into the tower. she spent a while working baam to get him to open the tower for her, and she used the window when he entered to get in herself. so far at least, she hasn't shown any immense power like the other irregulars. OK seems like theres a lot of confusion here about terms so I will explain what I meant, based off of SIU's notes translated by scanlators. A regular is one that is chosen from the middle area and climbs the tower regularly, following all of its laws A irregular is someone chosen by the tower, the gates open for them and they are not bound by the laws. Though all of them so far has been immensely powerful and brought chaos, this is not a requirement to be an irregular. Rachel is one that is definitely not a regular in that she did not get chosen from the area, however she is also not an irregular in the sense that she was never chosen by the tower. Her existence then is only defined by what she is not; a "non-regular" not to be confused with "irregular" whether or not non-regulars are bound by the laws of the tower are still unknown to me though...
According to a different SIU note though he says that (at least from what I understood) you have to be one or the other. A regular is one from the middle area/chosen by the tower, and an Irregular is one that does not fit the criteria. While I agree with you Rachel is not an Irregular in quite the sense that Mazino was one, for example, the fact that she wasn't a regular makes her an irregular by definition. Although due to the abnormalities you mentioned earlier she may not have quite the same freedom from restrictions that Baam has.
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If you come in on the 1st floor you are, by definition, an irregular. Typically, irregulars force open the door of the tower.
All "chosen regulars" automatically go to the 2nd floor when selected by head on.
And yes, Rachel is a weird case since she didn't open the door herself, but she's still an irregular.
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Also, all of the evidence points to Head On and the Guardians being in cahoots with FUG.
Remember, Head On says he will make Rachel the heroine of the story -- sends her up to the 2nd floor with Akryung... who form a team with Androssi.
COINCIDENTALLY, Yu Han Sung (has a conversation with Quant) where only they pass... so he can slip Rachel's team into the Crown game.
COINCIDENTALLY, Hwa Ryun (FUG) is in the crown game and attacks Rachel... which reveals to Baam that Rachel is there making him give up the crown to protect her.
From there YHS manipulates Ho and the other regulars to attack Rachel to "injure" her, and also manipuluates Koon to figure out someone is doing something from behind the scenes. Koon then COINCIDENTALLY asks Lee-ro about how to get a Guardian test, which COINCIDENTALLY makes Baam reveal he's an irregular so he can ask the Guardian for a test.
The 2nd floor Guardian -- also in cahoots with Head On and YHS/FUG -- COINCIDENTALLY "prepares a test" that fits his desires... where Baam has to be with Rachel underwater by themselves with no one else in the vicinity. Yeah right. Okay.
COINCIDENTALLY, YHS getting Baam to reveal he is an irregular to bait out Ren (part of Zahard's RED), who was just going to attack Anak for Green April.
Before this Head On manipulated Yuri Zahard into giving Black March to Baam. Then Yuri and co have to travel to the 2nd floor to get back Black March. COINCIDENTALLY, they run into Ren deep in the cave fighting Anak and Androssi.
After they nicely dispatch Ren, he COINCIDENTALLY sends the Bull after Baam. This gives Rachel the excuse she needs to say "the Bull" killed Baam where she toasted him.
So yes, Head On, 2nd floor Guardian (and probably the rest of the guardians), and Yu Han Sung et al (which means the rest of FUG) all are all working together.
Head On and Yuri know that an irregular has entered on the 1st floor. It seems logical that if Yuri somehow found out, that there were other Zahard's that probably knew too.. The whole plan hatched by Head On, 2nd floor Guardian, YHS and the rest of FUG is to make sure that Zahard/Ren/RED think that the irregular Baam is dead, so they can initiate him into FUG as a Slayer. Irregulars are obviously more feared by Zahard since "regular" Slayers wouldn't be able to kill him.
What I can't make of the story yet is what part Rachel plays in the end game. Apparently she is working with FUG to some extent since Head On is making her the heroine, and she is associated with FUG members now (Apple et al).
She apparently has her own goals ("see the stars" blah blah), but FUG/Head On is using her to blatantly manipulate Baam and his friends. And she seems to go along with it willingly so far.
It seems she is being dare I say "evil" on purpose, but we don't have her full motivations for why yet aside from being jealous of Baam.... though I doubt that's the full story.
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Well Yu Han Sung is confirmed at least to be a part of FUG...which is interesting cause I'd personally consider him to be in one of the more powerful positions in the tower, since all the Regulars must pass the floor of test he gets to look at them and their potentials first. Also allows him to pull the shit he did with Baam and crew.
Your theory is plausible but I think it makes a lot of assumptions. I don't think the 2nd floor guardian's test was specifically made to kill Baam- I think that Rachel/FUG (if we're right) were gonna try to axe him/isolate him whenever possible, and the test happened to be convenient. I don't think that it had to happen on the floor of test or if it could happen within a couple floors, and the tests are all dangerous enough that the opportunity would have arisen eventually. It's a fitting test for the situation since Baam is the one who wants to "bring up" Rachel in the first place. With her incapacitated it's not like the test could involve her moving around a lot, and he'd be in the bubble to "protect" her, his stated goal- which would make that test fitting for them.
The fact that Androssi teams up with Arkyung/Rachel isn't that surprising either- they killed everyone else on the floor and so as the last 3 had to form up with each other- I doubt it was a conspiracy, it was just that Androssi/Arkyung were by far the strongest people on that floor. I'd attribute the fact that only 3 survive more to Quant's character (him admitting he wasn't paying much attention) than any direct manipulation from Hansung.
I also don't know that Headon expected Yuri to give Baam the black march- he seemed surprised when she did and there isn't any indication either way that that was acting.
Also I sped-read, but isn't Ren working for the Royal Enforcement Division, aka Zahard himself? Doesn't that rule him out of a FUG conspiracy, cause that would make his organization and FUG in direct odds with one another?
The bits about Hwaryun/YHS making Baam admit he's an irregular was pretty much revealed over the course of the series though, but that was just FUG being FUG.
If you are right though, that makes it all more interesting, cause it suggests that the Guardians didn't want to (or no longer want to) let Zahard rule the tower.
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I wouldnt be surprised if FUG is using rachel to propel baams growth and rachel is actually being threatened by FUG herself.
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I think the part about 2nd floor guardian being in on it is debatable. The test, in my opinion, is very suspicious given all of the other facts.
However, there's too many coincidences with Head-On, Hwa Ryun, and YHS literally it seems feeding information up and down with each other to make sure all of the events turned out like that. I skipped some of the steps above but remember these details:
Yes, Ren is part of Zahard's RED. That's precisely why YHS manipulated Ren. Remember, YHS found Ren in the basement talking to his superiors and was about to fight Ren and obliterate him. But then he "changed his mind" and said he was going to help Ren complete his mission (e.g. to help get back Green April from Anak).
This puts Ren in the testing area, where he controls the bull. Then Yuri comes along from Head On's floor looking for Black March.
THEN remember that YHS is talking to Evan Edrok and Kurudan and he said he was willing to help them.... when Kurudan went Dansoolsa on Ren. Ren then decided to send the Bull after Baam, since he knew he was an irregular and Yuri was looking for him.
That, my friend, is called master manipulation by YHS.
For the part on Quant -- if you go reread the chapters YHS says after he manipulates Quant --" Oh I really am a genius"
http://www.batoto.net/read/_/24/tower-of-god_v1_ch14_by_the-company
So this is the final thing with all of the details:
Also, all of the evidence points to Head On and the Guardians being in cahoots with FUG.
Remember, Head On says he will make Rachel the heroine of the story -- sends her up to the 2nd floor with Akryung... who form a team with Androssi.
COINCIDENTALLY, Yu Han Sung (has a conversation with Quant) where only they pass... so he can slip Rachel's team into the Crown game.
COINCIDENTALLY, Hwa Ryun (FUG) is in the crown game and attacks Rachel... which reveals to Baam that Rachel is there making him give up the crown to protect her.
From there YHS manipulates Ho and the other regulars to attack Rachel to "injure" her, and also manipuluates Koon to figure out someone is doing something from behind the scenes. Koon then COINCIDENTALLY asks Lee-ro about how to get a Guardian test, which COINCIDENTALLY makes Baam reveal he's an irregular so he can ask the Guardian for a test.
The 2nd floor Guardian -- also in cahoots with Head On and YHS/FUG -- COINCIDENTALLY "prepares a test" that fits his desires... where Baam has to be with Rachel underwater by themselves with no one else in the vicinity. Yeah right. Okay.
YHS found Ren in the basement talking to his superiors and was about to fight Ren and obliterate him. But then he "changed his mind" and said he was going to help Ren complete his mission (e.g. to help get back Green April from Anak).
COINCIDENTALLY, YHS getting Baam to reveal he is an irregular to bait out Ren (part of Zahard's RED), who was just going to attack Anak for Green April.
This puts Ren in the testing area, where he controls the bull. Then, COINCIDENTALLY Yuri comes along from Head On's floor looking for Black March.
THEN remember that YHS is talking to Evan Edrok and Kurudan and he said he was willing to help them because of intruders in the testing area.... THEN Kurudan went Dansoolsa on Ren.
After they nicely dispatch Ren, he COINCIDENTALLY sends the Bull after Baam. This COINCIDENTALLY gives Rachel the excuse she needs to say "the Bull" killed Baam where she toasted him.
So yes, Head On, 2nd floor Guardian (and probably the rest of the guardians), and Yu Han Sung et al (which means the rest of FUG) all are all working together.
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ok, the way I read it made it sound like you were saying Ren was part of it/collaborating with FUG, not being manipulated.
Like I said, SIU basically confirmed YHS is with FUG so him collaborating with Hwaryun to make all the shit happen isn't surprising. I could see Headon being in on it too- I remember at some point suspecting that Headon might have been FUG as well.
However that doesn't really prove anything we don't know- that YHS (and by extension FUG) manipulated the Test Floor to make Baam reveal that he's an Irregular+ separate him from his friends to train him and get leverage over him. Like I said it would be interesting if the Guardians were in on it but we've seen pretty much no evidence to that effect so far.
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On February 11 2013 16:35 DystopiaX wrote:
ok, the way I read it made it sound like you were saying Ren was part of it/collaborating with FUG, not being manipulated.
Like I said, SIU basically confirmed YHS is with FUG so him collaborating with Hwaryun to make all the shit happen isn't surprising. I could see Headon being in on it too- I remember at some point suspecting that Headon might have been FUG as well.
However that doesn't really prove anything we don't know- that YHS (and by extension FUG) manipulated the Test Floor to make Baam reveal that he's an Irregular+ separate him from his friends to train him and get leverage over him. Like I said it would be interesting if the Guardians were in on it but we've seen pretty much no evidence to that effect so far.
Well, Head On is a guardian... of the 1st floor. And it seems like he has more power than the rest of the guardians (since he is the one who chooses regulars).
I am also extremely suspicious of the "submerged fish hunt" (aka last examination ch59) given the 2nd floor Guardian gave.... especially because the fact that Yu Han Sung called himself "and I'm the submerged fish hidden deep inside to consume such beings" (ch56) when fighting Ren and then agreeing to help him with his objectives. Come on now.
Like I said, it isolated both Rachel and Baam. Rachel, obviously, being the heroine of the story (by Head On, Hwa Ryun and YHS), is told to kill off Baam... after they manipulated Ren into sending the Bull after him.
It's too much of a coincidence to ignore IMO.
I've reread the first part 4 times now, so I'm pretty sure about my conclusions -- I was the dude on page 43 who commented about reading through OP and ToG 3-4 times, lol. The two manga/manhwa has the best depth any I've read so far.
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