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I think I know the "big reveal" for the season finale.
Walt is the show's big villain.
Details in this show matter, right?
Why would the show take so much conspicuous effort to show Jesse getting patted down by "A-Team" Huele? That was dragged on way longer than necessary, imo. Also strange that Saul was so insistent with his voicemails just to give Jesse some money, right before riding off into the sunset.
Everyone is asking how Gus knew not to get into his car. Why was his mind racing after meeting with Jesse? People are assuming it is because Gus is somehow omnipotent. But it all makes more sense if Gus did not poison Brock. Finding out about the poison certainly seemed to be a genuine surprise to him, and would give cause to his strange behavior in the parking lot.
Who had the strongest motive to aggravate Jesse? Walt did. Walt was under the threat of his entire family being killed.
Who was the only person other than Jesse who knew about the ricin? Walt. Sure, you say Gus knew, but then why was that never ever hinted at during this season? It's too pat for Gus to know without one shred of foreshadowing. Too pat for a show like this.
Hell, just listen to Walt's insane "Joker" laugh. Is that a coincidence? Or maybe it's foreshadowing that Walt is really, truly, breaking bad.
The title of the final episode is "Face Off". What if that doesn't just refer to a guns-blazing battle at Hank's place. What if it's referring to Walt's mask of humanity finally coming off?
The producers have hinted at a terrifying conclusion to this season. Gus dying would not be terrifying, in fact it would likely have people cheering. What would be more terrifying than finding out Walt poisoned the child?
Season 3 ends with Jesse killing an innocent. What would be more "book end" than Walt revealing to Jesse that he poisoned the baby to protect his family... and then killing Jesse. I'm getting chills just writing this.
Until next week.
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On October 03 2011 15:44 Tachion wrote:
So it's 100% impossible for Walt to have gotten the ricin cigarette right? It has to be Gus? He had it with him when he went to the laundromat, and Walt was at the house all day.
I was doubtful at first because of Gus's line last season after Walt ran down the 2 drug dealers, "Are you asking me if I would harm a child?". But it looks like it has to be him.
I agree, walt may have gone full heisenberg.
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Gus is truly the one of the best villains i have ever seen and i put him up there with the trinity killer, Hannibal Lecter and Michael Corleone. His cold stares, deadly cunning, and overall fucking badassery is too imba.
Thank you a lot for this. This just gets me a lot more excited for next week when we get to see what he wants to ask Jesse.
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Canada1637 Posts
I thought this was the season finale...
1 more episode OMFG @__________@.
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+ Show Spoiler +On October 03 2011 16:16 David451 wrote:
I think I know the "big reveal" for the season finale.
Walt is the show's big villain.
Details in this show matter, right?
Why would the show take so much conspicuous effort to show Jesse getting patted down by Huele? That was dragged on way longer than necessary, imo.
Why is everyone asking how Gus knew not to get into his car? Why was his mind racing after meeting with Jesse? Everyone is assuming it is because Gus is somehow omnipotent. But it all makes more sense Gus did not poison Brock. Finding out about the poison certainly seemed to be a genuine surprise to him, and would give cause to his strange behavior in the parking lot.
Who had the strongest motive to aggravate Jesse? Walt did. Walt was under the threat of his entire family being killed.
Who was the only person other than Jesse who knew about the ricin? Walt. Sure, you say Gus knew, but then why was that never ever hinted at during this season? It's too pat for Gus to know without one shred of foreshadowing. Too pat for a show like this.
Hell, just listen to Walt's insane "Joker" laugh. Is that a coincidence? Or maybe it's foreshadowing that Walt is really, truly, breaking bad.
The title of the final episode is "Face Off". What if that doesn't just refer to a guns-blazing battle at Hank's place. What if it's referring to Walt's mask of humanity finally coming off?
The producers have hinted at a terrifying conclusion to this season. Gus dying would not be terrifying, in fact it would likely have people cheering. What would be more terrifying than finding out Walt poisoned the child?
Season 3 ends with Jesse killing an innocent. What would be more "book end" than Walt revealing to Jesse that he poisoned the baby to protect his family... and then killing Jesse. I'm getting chills just writing this.
Until next week.
I got chills just reading this and I hope to god you're right!
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On October 03 2011 16:16 David451 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
I think I know the "big reveal" for the season finale.
Walt is the show's big villain.
Details in this show matter, right?
Why would the show take so much conspicuous effort to show Jesse getting patted down by Huele? That was dragged on way longer than necessary, imo.
Why is everyone asking how Gus knew not to get into his car? Why was his mind racing after meeting with Jesse? Everyone is assuming it is because Gus is somehow omnipotent. But it all makes more sense Gus did not poison Brock. Finding out about the poison certainly seemed to be a genuine surprise to him, and would give cause to his strange behavior in the parking lot.
Who had the strongest motive to aggravate Jesse? Walt did. Walt was under the threat of his entire family being killed.
Who was the only person other than Jesse who knew about the ricin? Walt. Sure, you say Gus knew, but then why was that never ever hinted at during this season? It's too pat for Gus to know without one shred of foreshadowing. Too pat for a show like this.
Hell, just listen to Walt's insane "Joker" laugh. Is that a coincidence? Or maybe it's foreshadowing that Walt is really, truly, breaking bad.
The title of the final episode is "Face Off". What if that doesn't just refer to a guns-blazing battle at Hank's place. What if it's referring to Walt's mask of humanity finally coming off?
The producers have hinted at a terrifying conclusion to this season. Gus dying would not be terrifying, in fact it would likely have people cheering. What would be more terrifying than finding out Walt poisoned the child?
Season 3 ends with Jesse killing an innocent. What would be more "book end" than Walt revealing to Jesse that he poisoned the baby to protect his family... and then killing Jesse. I'm getting chills just writing this.
Until next week.
That would be amazing.
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On October 03 2011 16:16 David451 wrote:
I think I know the "big reveal" for the season finale.
Walt is the show's big villain.
Details in this show matter, right?
Why would the show take so much conspicuous effort to show Jesse getting patted down by Huele? That was dragged on way longer than necessary, imo.
Why is everyone asking how Gus knew not to get into his car? Why was his mind racing after meeting with Jesse? Everyone is assuming it is because Gus is somehow omnipotent. But it all makes more sense Gus did not poison Brock. Finding out about the poison certainly seemed to be a genuine surprise to him, and would give cause to his strange behavior in the parking lot.
Who had the strongest motive to aggravate Jesse? Walt did. Walt was under the threat of his entire family being killed.
Who was the only person other than Jesse who knew about the ricin? Walt. Sure, you say Gus knew, but then why was that never ever hinted at during this season? It's too pat for Gus to know without one shred of foreshadowing. Too pat for a show like this.
Hell, just listen to Walt's insane "Joker" laugh. Is that a coincidence? Or maybe it's foreshadowing that Walt is really, truly, breaking bad.
The title of the final episode is "Face Off". What if that doesn't just refer to a guns-blazing battle at Hank's place. What if it's referring to Walt's mask of humanity finally coming off?
The producers have hinted at a terrifying conclusion to this season. Gus dying would not be terrifying, in fact it would likely have people cheering. What would be more terrifying than finding out Walt poisoned the child?
Season 3 ends with Jesse killing an innocent. What would be more "book end" than Walt revealing to Jesse that he poisoned the baby to protect his family... and then killing Jesse. I'm getting chills just writing this.
Until next week.
Yeah, I have to agree with this. Vince Gilligan has said that the entire point of Breaking Bad is that he wanted to see if he could take an average schmuck like Walter and turn him into a drug lord like Gus. So it's kind of implied that Walter is stepping into Gus's shoes at some point.
Face Off can also be referencing the film Face/Off in which a cop and a criminal have their faces surgically swapped so that the good guy now looks like the villain and the villain now looks like the good guy. The writers have been humanizing Gus all season - showing that he cared for Gale by using Gale's boxcutter to exact revenge, showing his lover that was killed by the Cartel, and now telling Jesse to take the time that he needs before coming back to work. On the other hand Walter has been neurotic and spent the entire season plotting to murder Gus. He's also been arrogant and narcissistic - telling Hank that Gale wasn't the real cook and telling Skyler "I am not in Danger, Skyler. I am the Danger! A guy opens his door and gets shot and you think that of me? No. I am the one who knocks!"
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Guys, a very obvious reason the episode has the name 'face off' is out as a spoiler, but its a pretty big one that i don't want to post here. You will find it on the webs if you search for it.
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On October 03 2011 16:49 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2011 16:16 David451 wrote:
I think I know the "big reveal" for the season finale.
Walt is the show's big villain.
Details in this show matter, right?
Why would the show take so much conspicuous effort to show Jesse getting patted down by Huele? That was dragged on way longer than necessary, imo.
Why is everyone asking how Gus knew not to get into his car? Why was his mind racing after meeting with Jesse? Everyone is assuming it is because Gus is somehow omnipotent. But it all makes more sense Gus did not poison Brock. Finding out about the poison certainly seemed to be a genuine surprise to him, and would give cause to his strange behavior in the parking lot.
Who had the strongest motive to aggravate Jesse? Walt did. Walt was under the threat of his entire family being killed.
Who was the only person other than Jesse who knew about the ricin? Walt. Sure, you say Gus knew, but then why was that never ever hinted at during this season? It's too pat for Gus to know without one shred of foreshadowing. Too pat for a show like this.
Hell, just listen to Walt's insane "Joker" laugh. Is that a coincidence? Or maybe it's foreshadowing that Walt is really, truly, breaking bad.
The title of the final episode is "Face Off". What if that doesn't just refer to a guns-blazing battle at Hank's place. What if it's referring to Walt's mask of humanity finally coming off?
The producers have hinted at a terrifying conclusion to this season. Gus dying would not be terrifying, in fact it would likely have people cheering. What would be more terrifying than finding out Walt poisoned the child?
Season 3 ends with Jesse killing an innocent. What would be more "book end" than Walt revealing to Jesse that he poisoned the baby to protect his family... and then killing Jesse. I'm getting chills just writing this.
Until next week. Yeah, I have to agree with this. Vince Gilligan has said that the entire point of Breaking Bad is that he wanted to see if he could take an average schmuck like Walter and turn him into a drug lord like Gus. So it's kind of implied that Walter is stepping into Gus's shoes at some point. Face Off can also be referencing the film Face/Off in which a cop and a criminal have their faces surgically swapped so that the good guy now looks like the villain and the villain now looks like the good guy. The writers have been humanizing Gus all season - showing that he cared for Gale by using Gale's boxcutter to exact revenge, showing his lover that was killed by the Cartel, and now telling Jesse to take the time that he needs before coming back to work. On the other hand Walter has been neurotic and spent the entire season plotting to murder Gus. He's also been arrogant and narcissistic - telling Hank that Gale wasn't the real cook and telling Skyler "I am not in Danger, Skyler. I am the Danger! A guy opens his door and gets shot and you think that of me? No. I am the one who knocks!"
You make a great point with the Face/Off movie reference. The "thrill" of Gus getting killed would turn to nausea and horror if we discovered Walt was the one who poisoned the kid. CUT TO CREDITS.
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On October 03 2011 16:58 schlarp wrote:
Guys, a very obvious reason the episode has the name 'face off' is out as a spoiler, but its a pretty big one that i don't want to post here. You will find it on the webs if you search for it.
Someone gets their face blown off? Don't tell me. I'm definitely not going to search the web... I'm interested in theories from people who don't actually know what's going to happen.
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Can some1 explain to me why would Gus NOT get in that damn car? Maybe Jesse is the double-crosser? Maybe Jesse told Gus and Gus just acted that way to prove a point to Walt that he knows what Walt is trying to do? I'm confuzzeled.
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great season up so far, really looking forward for the next episode
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On October 03 2011 16:23 ayeZuN wrote:
Gus is truly the one of the best villains i have ever seen and i put him up there with the trinity killer, Hannibal Lecter and Michael Corleone. His cold stares, deadly cunning, and overall fucking badassery is too imba.
And just wait for even bigger villain to pop up. 
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I was just watching the pat down scene again in slow-mo and it is actually kind of weird. huell starts to focus on an area around Jesse's left jeans pocket(Later at the hospital when Jesse takes out his Cigs, hes holding them in his left hand so you may be able to assume thats the pocket they were in).
Though after he focuses on the pocket, he starts moving his hands up for one last sweep over the mid section, and a couple of times you see something white on his right hand, but seeings it kind of comes-and-goes i think this may actually just be the light through the shutters.
Anyway, last but not least, Huell clearly puts his left hand in his left jacket pocket after he is finished the pat down.
Maybe it really was Walt who set up Brocks poisoning, which is quite frightening to me. Though i would say he did it knowing that Brock wouldn't die from it, i really really really couldn't see Walt allowing a child to die from this(i mean not even a chance).
Jesse hadn't been hanging around Andrea much at all till the last few episodes, and the scene(from ep11 i believe?) where Walt came knocking on Jesse's door and Jesse kicked him out, Walt bangs his hand on the door to keep it open, and Walt sees Andrea and Brock sitting on the couch. And then add in the scene from earlier where Saul is at Andrea's new house (giving her money/seeing how she settled etc) it very well looks like Walt had opportunity to set this whole thing up with Saul.
Though, i don't think Walt would kill Jesse, even after all this i just can't see it, maybe at the end of the last season, but i believe things between them would have to spiral a lot further for Walt to off Jesse.
If this is the case(Walt poisoning the kid), then Gus now knows that Walt did it too, which would be extremely interesting to see play out next ep. I think 'Face Off' will have many meanings in the episode, for example David451's thinking of it be related to Walts guise of being a victim of this going away, but i also think it would refer to Some form of epic face to face confrontation between any two of them, or even the three together(Jesse, Walt and/or Gus).
Aw man, if it really was Walt and something like this goes down, i'm going to be so bummed that i spoiled it by watching this behind the scenes video lol
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Oh GOD this show... so good.. so good :o
Really interested in next week and the whole walter-goes-bad theory sounds very fitting and exciting.
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I think Walt finally broke bad. Saul knew where Brock lived, Huell molesting Jesse(seriously, who expects him to have hands smooth enough to steal/plant a cigarette pack) after Saul begging him to come in(the plan would not have succeeded if he had not,) etc. Everything points to Walt putting Brock into the hospital.
The next episode could end so many different ways, I'm really curious to see what direction they take with the show. The direction of this show is top notch on so many levels, from the actual scene selection, direction, story direction, characters, it's so damned amazing.
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Yeah, there's really so much evidence for that theory that now I feel like it's spoiled for me. If anyone asks me what I think I'm going to say the opposite of that theory just so I don't spoil it if its true, lol
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First off all. Great episode. Cant wait for next week.
As for the speculation:
+ Show Spoiler +On October 03 2011 16:16 David451 wrote:
I think I know the "big reveal" for the season finale.
Walt is the show's big villain.
Details in this show matter, right?
Why would the show take so much conspicuous effort to show Jesse getting patted down by "A-Team" Huele? That was dragged on way longer than necessary, imo. Also strange that Saul was so insistent with his voicemails just to give Jesse some money, right before riding off into the sunset.
Everyone is asking how Gus knew not to get into his car. Why was his mind racing after meeting with Jesse? People are assuming it is because Gus is somehow omnipotent. But it all makes more sense if Gus did not poison Brock. Finding out about the poison certainly seemed to be a genuine surprise to him, and would give cause to his strange behavior in the parking lot.
Who had the strongest motive to aggravate Jesse? Walt did. Walt was under the threat of his entire family being killed.
Who was the only person other than Jesse who knew about the ricin? Walt. Sure, you say Gus knew, but then why was that never ever hinted at during this season? It's too pat for Gus to know without one shred of foreshadowing. Too pat for a show like this.
Hell, just listen to Walt's insane "Joker" laugh. Is that a coincidence? Or maybe it's foreshadowing that Walt is really, truly, breaking bad.
The title of the final episode is "Face Off". What if that doesn't just refer to a guns-blazing battle at Hank's place. What if it's referring to Walt's mask of humanity finally coming off?
The producers have hinted at a terrifying conclusion to this season. Gus dying would not be terrifying, in fact it would likely have people cheering. What would be more terrifying than finding out Walt poisoned the child?
Season 3 ends with Jesse killing an innocent. What would be more "book end" than Walt revealing to Jesse that he poisoned the baby to protect his family... and then killing Jesse. I'm getting chills just writing this.
Until next week.
I thought alot about those mentioned final scene of the season.
Its just a shot, no acting, no sound or smthg else. And i am pretty sure it will be a shot of the ricin in walts apartment, or somehow else connected to him.
I agree with the aforementioned speculation of Walt beeing the one poisoning Brock and it would explain some other scenes/reactions this episode. (which of course are just thoughts, no facts)
- walt at the pool: third spin points away from him (as in someone else has to take the shot)
- scene earlier in the season of saul giving money to andrea (therefore knowing here, she on the other hand familiar with him)
- jesse patted down intensively
- gus reaction and this "spider sense" (it doesnt make any sense to me that gus would willingly let jesse walk around with ricin just to wait for a moment to take it off of him and put it to use, moreover i got the impression gus was surprised to hear of brocks poisoning and began immediately to put some things together (going to the rail in that case was not to watch for someone out there, but to think of certain scenarios))
"Face off" as the final title can of course have different meanings. Of course it could just be about the walt/gus faceoff. On the other hand, "Face off" also was the title of a film in which one man took over another ones identity.
In this case, gus dying in the final episode and therefore making way for a finally broken bad walt (that last ricin shot would point at it) to take over, could also be the meaning.
Walt has been build up as an anti-character for quite some time, its not very gilligan-esqe to redeem him within an episode.
God i cant wait for next week :O:O
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Did anyone catch that they paired that same sound effect with Walt's maniacal laughter again this episode (when Jesse threatens to shoot Walt)? The sound effect / music that's just Thud... Thud... Thud... Thud... kind of like the score from Inception. I wouldn't be surprised if they do it a 3rd on the finale during the climax. It's a really great sound effect and by now I'm like Pavolv's dog every time I start hearing that Thud... Thud... Thud... I just know it's about to be awesome.
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walt didn't poison the child boys and girls
its cute speculation but thats not what happened
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