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SPOILER WARNING If you only watch the show, this thread will spoil you of future events in HBO's Game of Thrones. Thread contains discussion of all books of the series A Song of Ice and Fire
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Spaylz
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan1743 Posts
May 10 2016 07:18 GMT
#13561
Right? That's what I retained from the scene. We're about to see Randyll Tarly, and I suspect the interactions with him and Sam & Gilly will be glorious. I hope they nailed the casting/dialogue. Randyll is such a badass in the books. Plus Heartsbane!
I like words.
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9297 Posts
May 10 2016 07:46 GMT
#13562
I hope based Randyll will get to do more than just bully Sam. Maybe he'll go to Kings Landing to kill some religious fanatics?
You're now breathing manually
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
May 10 2016 08:27 GMT
#13563
On May 10 2016 05:25 snailz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2016 04:56 -Archangel- wrote:
On May 10 2016 04:24 snailz wrote:
so apparently North remembers shit. god that chapter gave me so much chills i had to go outside and light a cig. everything is set up at this point for Jon to go full JC on these infidels, and if direwolfs fates are foreshadowing the destiny of Stark children (which they have so far), Rickon is probably gonna bite the dust to make the fight more epic. pretty cheap, but oh well

im still enjoying the season tho

How are they? Sansa is still alive and her wolf died first while Robb's wolf died at about same time.
And Arya's went wild which is pretty opposite of what happened to Arya since being a Faceless is about following strict rules.


dunno about you mate (you seem to have a lot of angry posts in GoT threads, are you alright? hows life?), but i saw Lady's death due to Joffreys whim basically ("please, she never hurt anyone!" or "it wasnt her fault, it was a different direwolf!") as foreshadowing of what would happen to Sansa when a different wolf bit the crown (eddard), and who would be responsible for it (joffrey, obv)... some say they interpret Sansa allowing her direwolf to die so easily same as the fate that would befall her, examples used were Sansa distancing herself from the Starks and being more of a tender daughter of house Tully when she first arrives at KL, but also later when she renounces her father and calls her brother a traitor in front of the court --> her stark side died alongside lady.

arya sending her direwolf away on the other hand symbolizes her losing touch with who and what she is. her fate led her to becoming no one, but deep down inside we know that's not really the case (hence why she hid the needle instead of throwing it away)... when she became distanced from her direwolf, she eventually distanced herself from being arya stark. but they're both alive, somewhere...

Robb one is pretty self-explanatory. but if u wanna be literal and think wolf dying=stark dying, fine by me...

another poster summed it up better than me, here, have a go...

Show nested quote +
On May 10 2016 00:56 Tunkeg wrote:
The killing of the direwolf was shit as well. With the killing of Sansa's direwolf it foreshadowed her distancing from the rest of the Starks. At least it symblozied that to me. She allways looked more like a Tully then a Stark to begin with. While her brothers and sisters were more Stark in their appearance and their values, honor and justice, she was seeking out a more material path. The killing of her direwolf sort of kills the Stark in her, and just now is she starting to become more Starky. The same thing with Arya, her sending her wolf away to save her from getting killed foreshadowed her getting lost herself, and beginning her path to becomming no one (If Arya's path back to finding her family and herself doesn't start withh her finding her wolf, I will be dissapointed). Robb died, and they killed his wolf, which made the death even stronger (especially if you take into account that the Stark are wargers). So when they now go on to randomly kill Shaggydog what does this symbolize, does it foreshadow a Rickon death? If not, what does it symbolize? Nothing? Then it is lazy writing imo. If it symbolize Rickon dieing it sucks as well, because I am tired of them fucking up the Starks.


Sorry but your logic does not work. You use it as you like or as it fits the narrative in your head. You cannot claim Shaggydog dying means Rickon dies when we had wolf deaths already which didn't cause Stark death.
That was my point. Maybe you should spend more brainpower thinking things through instead of thinking about my sanity or whatever...
snailz
Profile Joined April 2011
Croatia900 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-10 10:30:32
May 10 2016 10:28 GMT
#13564
On May 10 2016 17:27 -Archangel- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2016 05:25 snailz wrote:
On May 10 2016 04:56 -Archangel- wrote:
On May 10 2016 04:24 snailz wrote:
so apparently North remembers shit. god that chapter gave me so much chills i had to go outside and light a cig. everything is set up at this point for Jon to go full JC on these infidels, and if direwolfs fates are foreshadowing the destiny of Stark children (which they have so far), Rickon is probably gonna bite the dust to make the fight more epic. pretty cheap, but oh well

im still enjoying the season tho

How are they? Sansa is still alive and her wolf died first while Robb's wolf died at about same time.
And Arya's went wild which is pretty opposite of what happened to Arya since being a Faceless is about following strict rules.


dunno about you mate (you seem to have a lot of angry posts in GoT threads, are you alright? hows life?), but i saw Lady's death due to Joffreys whim basically ("please, she never hurt anyone!" or "it wasnt her fault, it was a different direwolf!") as foreshadowing of what would happen to Sansa when a different wolf bit the crown (eddard), and who would be responsible for it (joffrey, obv)... some say they interpret Sansa allowing her direwolf to die so easily same as the fate that would befall her, examples used were Sansa distancing herself from the Starks and being more of a tender daughter of house Tully when she first arrives at KL, but also later when she renounces her father and calls her brother a traitor in front of the court --> her stark side died alongside lady.

arya sending her direwolf away on the other hand symbolizes her losing touch with who and what she is. her fate led her to becoming no one, but deep down inside we know that's not really the case (hence why she hid the needle instead of throwing it away)... when she became distanced from her direwolf, she eventually distanced herself from being arya stark. but they're both alive, somewhere...

Robb one is pretty self-explanatory. but if u wanna be literal and think wolf dying=stark dying, fine by me...

another poster summed it up better than me, here, have a go...

On May 10 2016 00:56 Tunkeg wrote:
The killing of the direwolf was shit as well. With the killing of Sansa's direwolf it foreshadowed her distancing from the rest of the Starks. At least it symblozied that to me. She allways looked more like a Tully then a Stark to begin with. While her brothers and sisters were more Stark in their appearance and their values, honor and justice, she was seeking out a more material path. The killing of her direwolf sort of kills the Stark in her, and just now is she starting to become more Starky. The same thing with Arya, her sending her wolf away to save her from getting killed foreshadowed her getting lost herself, and beginning her path to becomming no one (If Arya's path back to finding her family and herself doesn't start withh her finding her wolf, I will be dissapointed). Robb died, and they killed his wolf, which made the death even stronger (especially if you take into account that the Stark are wargers). So when they now go on to randomly kill Shaggydog what does this symbolize, does it foreshadow a Rickon death? If not, what does it symbolize? Nothing? Then it is lazy writing imo. If it symbolize Rickon dieing it sucks as well, because I am tired of them fucking up the Starks.


Sorry but your logic does not work. You use it as you like or as it fits the narrative in your head. You cannot claim Shaggydog dying means Rickon dies when we had wolf deaths already which didn't cause Stark death.
That was my point. Maybe you should spend more brainpower thinking things through instead of thinking about my sanity or whatever...


okay what? i was literally claiming the exact opposite. the post you quoted actually goes to explain how wolfs death doesnt necessarily mean literal death of the master, but the circumstances of what happened to the wolf and by whom can be interpreted as foreshadowing of what would happen to the master. like, literally the whole post is about what you call "your point"... so if we agree, who are you arguing with here exactly?

also, i used like half a dozen "in my opinion"-s so i dont see any point in continuing this discussion. you asked for clarification, i gave my perspective, you dont agree, fine we can move on. its not like we're arguing facts and i was claiming "sansa and robb wolf died at about the same time" *cough cough wink wink*

p.s. im sorry that you seem to have taken it personal when i asked about your post history. its not like its secret, and its not like im the first to ask you "why the hate"... chill bro. consider reading your own signature, maybe the irony finally hits you...
"I am saying that there are 300 current pros and semi-pros that have the potential to come in and dominate SC2 at any moment, with a latency of a few months from the day they switch." - intrigue
ObeseHydra
Profile Joined March 2013
Brazil196 Posts
May 10 2016 13:14 GMT
#13565
I thought Shaggydog head was a little too small for a dire wolf. Maybe the Umbers are still Stark allies? I know, deliver a boy to a notorious psychopat is a really stupid strategy, but the show's writting is not exactly brilliant and full of stupid things...
Reaps
Profile Joined June 2012
United Kingdom1280 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-10 13:21:58
May 10 2016 13:20 GMT
#13566
Its very possible there is something more than meets the eye, same with the Karstark alliance, wouldn't suprise me if they are both working together agaisnt the Boltons or something along those lines, well at least the Umbers

"The north remembers"
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14911 Posts
May 10 2016 13:29 GMT
#13567
the karstarks are 100% with the boltons, in the books AND in the show. In the show, the umbers have real motivation to ally with the umbers because of the wildlings that were let through the wall, there's no way for them to know jon's reasoning for letting them through so they have a real reason to be afraid.
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15365 Posts
May 10 2016 13:33 GMT
#13568
I still hope the Umbers will switch on Ramsay and side with Jon if it comes to it. Young Umber is way too likable to be a dumb follower bad guy. Plus the whole not kneeling thing and telling Ramsay exactly what he wants to here about their fathers.
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snailz
Profile Joined April 2011
Croatia900 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-10 14:45:05
May 10 2016 14:44 GMT
#13569
not kneeling was also weird for me, but i still think delivering rickon to someone as unpredictable as ramsay and famously so, makes no sense. its possible he didnt kneel cuz he wants winterfell for himself tho. but i think they'll just use rickon as an excuse for jon to march south, which is meh

also, heavy heavy heavy spoilers

+ Show Spoiler +
i warned you+ Show Spoiler +
no, really+ Show Spoiler +
the guy that spoiled everything so far correctly said "do you like games" line from the trailers is from a scene from bastardbowl where ramsay lets rickon run to jon and shoots arrows at him, hitting him with the last one just as jon gets to him
<--- now that would be lazy writing at its finest
"I am saying that there are 300 current pros and semi-pros that have the potential to come in and dominate SC2 at any moment, with a latency of a few months from the day they switch." - intrigue
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13996 Posts
May 10 2016 15:51 GMT
#13570
On May 10 2016 23:44 snailz wrote:
not kneeling was also weird for me, but i still think delivering rickon to someone as unpredictable as ramsay and famously so, makes no sense. its possible he didnt kneel cuz he wants winterfell for himself tho. but i think they'll just use rickon as an excuse for jon to march south, which is meh

also, heavy heavy heavy spoilers

+ Show Spoiler +
i warned you+ Show Spoiler +
no, really+ Show Spoiler +
the guy that spoiled everything so far correctly said "do you like games" line from the trailers is from a scene from bastardbowl where ramsay lets rickon run to jon and shoots arrows at him, hitting him with the last one just as jon gets to him
<--- now that would be lazy writing at its finest

+ Show Spoiler +
lol shock value is good right guys?
Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
palexhur
Profile Joined May 2010
Colombia730 Posts
May 10 2016 15:53 GMT
#13571
Why Arya forgot some names of her list? she is becoming a real no one, or what is the purpose of this?
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43971 Posts
May 10 2016 16:15 GMT
#13572
On May 11 2016 00:53 palexhur wrote:
Why Arya forgot some names of her list? she is becoming a real no one, or what is the purpose of this?

I thought she just left out the dead ones. And leaving the hound off and being corrected was foreshadowing the cleganebowl.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13996 Posts
May 10 2016 16:19 GMT
#13573
On May 11 2016 01:15 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2016 00:53 palexhur wrote:
Why Arya forgot some names of her list? she is becoming a real no one, or what is the purpose of this?

I thought she just left out the dead ones. And leaving the hound off and being corrected was foreshadowing the cleganebowl.

Yup that's how I interpreted it. But how would she know Joff died? Did someone tell her? I forget...
Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
palexhur
Profile Joined May 2010
Colombia730 Posts
May 10 2016 17:12 GMT
#13574
On May 11 2016 01:15 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2016 00:53 palexhur wrote:
Why Arya forgot some names of her list? she is becoming a real no one, or what is the purpose of this?

I thought she just left out the dead ones. And leaving the hound off and being corrected was foreshadowing the cleganebowl.


Where is Ilyn Payne?
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43971 Posts
May 10 2016 17:14 GMT
#13575
On May 11 2016 02:12 palexhur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2016 01:15 KwarK wrote:
On May 11 2016 00:53 palexhur wrote:
Why Arya forgot some names of her list? she is becoming a real no one, or what is the purpose of this?

I thought she just left out the dead ones. And leaving the hound off and being corrected was foreshadowing the cleganebowl.


Where is Ilyn Payne?

Cancer got him.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13996 Posts
May 10 2016 17:37 GMT
#13576
On May 11 2016 02:14 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2016 02:12 palexhur wrote:
On May 11 2016 01:15 KwarK wrote:
On May 11 2016 00:53 palexhur wrote:
Why Arya forgot some names of her list? she is becoming a real no one, or what is the purpose of this?

I thought she just left out the dead ones. And leaving the hound off and being corrected was foreshadowing the cleganebowl.


Where is Ilyn Payne?

Cancer got him.

nah, it was probably the sand snakes
Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
B-royal
Profile Joined May 2015
Belgium1330 Posts
May 10 2016 17:48 GMT
#13577
Really, I thought her not mentioning her full list was to show that she was finally able to deceive the waif.
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KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14911 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-10 18:17:46
May 10 2016 18:14 GMT
#13578
Her list is just shorter now, tywin is dead, joffrey is dead, the hound is "dead," ser meryn is dead, she hasn't said ilyn payne in forever, she also stopped saying meliasandre, thoros of myr, and beric a while ago
marttorn
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Norway5211 Posts
May 10 2016 18:17 GMT
#13579
the finale of this show is literally going to be this monty python-esque sequence where everyone walks up on each other and stabs them with a hidden knife, and shock music plays, and it just repeats x100 with every major and minor character in the story

and you'll just sit there like "huh i wonder if thats gonna happen in the books"
memes are a dish best served dank
Titan107
Profile Joined March 2016
30 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-10 19:23:42
May 10 2016 19:22 GMT
#13580
Her list is just shorter now, tywin is dead, joffrey is dead, the hound is "dead," ser meryn is dead, she hasn't said ilyn payne in forever, she also stopped saying meliasandre, thoros of myr, and beric a while ago


She might have left out Ser Ilyn because the actor who plays him passed away. It's too bad because I loved Feast's arc with Jamie and Payne in the riverlands.
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