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SPOILER WARNING If you only watch the show, this thread will spoil you of future events in HBO's Game of Thrones. Thread contains discussion of all books of the series A Song of Ice and Fire
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Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
May 09 2016 19:28 GMT
#13541
Not happy with how they treated Shaggydog given how the other Direwolves have had big connections towards the growth of the characters and killing off Rickon so quickly / effortlessly just seems lazy.
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-09 19:57:06
May 09 2016 19:56 GMT
#13542
On May 10 2016 04:24 snailz wrote:
so apparently North remembers shit. god that chapter gave me so much chills i had to go outside and light a cig. everything is set up at this point for Jon to go full JC on these infidels, and if direwolfs fates are foreshadowing the destiny of Stark children (which they have so far), Rickon is probably gonna bite the dust to make the fight more epic. pretty cheap, but oh well

im still enjoying the season tho

How are they? Sansa is still alive and her wolf died first while Robb's wolf died at about same time.
And Arya's went wild which is pretty opposite of what happened to Arya since being a Faceless is about following strict rules.
RouaF
Profile Joined October 2010
France4121 Posts
May 09 2016 19:57 GMT
#13543
Yeah and rickon being randomly captured and brought right at that moment is a bit facepalm worthy... They're trying a bit too hard to make Ramsey the new joeffrey.

I liked the rest of the episode though (yeah stuff with arya and tyrion is silly but we'll have to deal with it the whole season - they can't focus only on jon). Considering the direction that the show seems to be taking I think we can be 99% sure baby jon is in the tower.
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States14000 Posts
May 09 2016 20:18 GMT
#13544
On May 10 2016 04:24 snailz wrote:
so apparently North remembers shit. god that chapter gave me so much chills i had to go outside and light a cig. everything is set up at this point for Jon to go full JC on these infidels, and if direwolfs fates are foreshadowing the destiny of Stark children (which they have so far), Rickon is probably gonna bite the dust to make the fight more epic. pretty cheap, but oh well

im still enjoying the season tho

Lady died in episode 2 and sansa is still here. Granted I think she will die episode 9...but still...
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snailz
Profile Joined April 2011
Croatia900 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-09 20:28:42
May 09 2016 20:25 GMT
#13545
On May 10 2016 04:56 -Archangel- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2016 04:24 snailz wrote:
so apparently North remembers shit. god that chapter gave me so much chills i had to go outside and light a cig. everything is set up at this point for Jon to go full JC on these infidels, and if direwolfs fates are foreshadowing the destiny of Stark children (which they have so far), Rickon is probably gonna bite the dust to make the fight more epic. pretty cheap, but oh well

im still enjoying the season tho

How are they? Sansa is still alive and her wolf died first while Robb's wolf died at about same time.
And Arya's went wild which is pretty opposite of what happened to Arya since being a Faceless is about following strict rules.


dunno about you mate (you seem to have a lot of angry posts in GoT threads, are you alright? hows life?), but i saw Lady's death due to Joffreys whim basically ("please, she never hurt anyone!" or "it wasnt her fault, it was a different direwolf!") as foreshadowing of what would happen to Sansa when a different wolf bit the crown (eddard), and who would be responsible for it (joffrey, obv)... some say they interpret Sansa allowing her direwolf to die so easily same as the fate that would befall her, examples used were Sansa distancing herself from the Starks and being more of a tender daughter of house Tully when she first arrives at KL, but also later when she renounces her father and calls her brother a traitor in front of the court --> her stark side died alongside lady.

arya sending her direwolf away on the other hand symbolizes her losing touch with who and what she is. her fate led her to becoming no one, but deep down inside we know that's not really the case (hence why she hid the needle instead of throwing it away)... when she became distanced from her direwolf, she eventually distanced herself from being arya stark. but they're both alive, somewhere...

Robb one is pretty self-explanatory. but if u wanna be literal and think wolf dying=stark dying, fine by me...

another poster summed it up better than me, here, have a go...

On May 10 2016 00:56 Tunkeg wrote:
The killing of the direwolf was shit as well. With the killing of Sansa's direwolf it foreshadowed her distancing from the rest of the Starks. At least it symblozied that to me. She allways looked more like a Tully then a Stark to begin with. While her brothers and sisters were more Stark in their appearance and their values, honor and justice, she was seeking out a more material path. The killing of her direwolf sort of kills the Stark in her, and just now is she starting to become more Starky. The same thing with Arya, her sending her wolf away to save her from getting killed foreshadowed her getting lost herself, and beginning her path to becomming no one (If Arya's path back to finding her family and herself doesn't start withh her finding her wolf, I will be dissapointed). Robb died, and they killed his wolf, which made the death even stronger (especially if you take into account that the Stark are wargers). So when they now go on to randomly kill Shaggydog what does this symbolize, does it foreshadow a Rickon death? If not, what does it symbolize? Nothing? Then it is lazy writing imo. If it symbolize Rickon dieing it sucks as well, because I am tired of them fucking up the Starks.

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zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15366 Posts
May 09 2016 21:20 GMT
#13546
I thought that was the best episode of the season so far. ToJ was as good as you could hope for. Who cares about the exact number of knights.

Wall as always the best scenes, the execution was so tense. Well done. Umber was great, High Sparrow great as always.

Also loved how they teased the Dorne master plan with Qyburn given away goodies from Dorne.

Arya chapter showed how her entire season 4 could have been handled in one 10 minute segment like the one from last nights episode. What a difference in pacing.
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States14000 Posts
May 09 2016 21:44 GMT
#13547
On May 10 2016 06:20 zatic wrote:
I thought that was the best episode of the season so far. ToJ was as good as you could hope for. Who cares about the exact number of knights.

Wall as always the best scenes, the execution was so tense. Well done. Umber was great, High Sparrow great as always.

Also loved how they teased the Dorne master plan with Qyburn given away goodies from Dorne.

Arya chapter showed how her entire season 4 could have been handled in one 10 minute segment like the one from last nights episode. What a difference in pacing.

But if you cut her season 4 arc you cut Rory's Hound. In my opinion he had easily the best performance on the show. However NCW and Lena have done tremoundously well with the golden twins.
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RaiKageRyu
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada4773 Posts
May 09 2016 22:03 GMT
#13548
On May 09 2016 21:41 KOFgokuon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2016 19:07 Yhamm wrote:
tower of joy was pretty disappointing.. I'll keep this version in my mind I guess. (and why would Ned fight without a fucking shield?)

I didn't like Arya learning to fight being actually blind, is she some sort of Jedi now?

all the rest wasn't bad, just really boring


to be fair we've never seen ned with a shield, my bigger question is why do none of them have plate mail or any real armor, at least wear chainmail >_>


That's cause Ned is supposed to wield the great sword, Ice. It takes two hands for that unless your the Mountain.
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zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15366 Posts
May 09 2016 22:50 GMT
#13549
On May 10 2016 06:44 Cricketer12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2016 06:20 zatic wrote:
I thought that was the best episode of the season so far. ToJ was as good as you could hope for. Who cares about the exact number of knights.

Wall as always the best scenes, the execution was so tense. Well done. Umber was great, High Sparrow great as always.

Also loved how they teased the Dorne master plan with Qyburn given away goodies from Dorne.

Arya chapter showed how her entire season 4 could have been handled in one 10 minute segment like the one from last nights episode. What a difference in pacing.

But if you cut her season 4 arc you cut Rory's Hound. In my opinion he had easily the best performance on the show. However NCW and Lena have done tremoundously well with the golden twins.

My bad, meant season 5 of course.
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Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9330 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-09 23:31:17
May 09 2016 23:29 GMT
#13550
What if Shaggydog's death is Martin's (or writers') metaphorical "fuck you" to people who expect poetic symbolism in supposedly gritty and "realistic" Game of Thrones?
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TheFish7
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States2824 Posts
May 09 2016 23:32 GMT
#13551
From wikipedia

In its original sense, a shaggy dog story is an extremely long-winded anecdote characterized by extensive narration of typically irrelevant incidents and terminated by an anticlimax or a pointless punchline.
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Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9330 Posts
May 09 2016 23:33 GMT
#13552
LOL
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evantrees
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada497 Posts
May 10 2016 01:22 GMT
#13553
At this point expecting another kingsguard in the tower.
Bran gets to see his dad beat a kingsguard alone(Not Dayne but someone at least) and they have an action scene for another episode.
rejection and peace tiramisu. I think that went well.
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
May 10 2016 01:28 GMT
#13554
On May 10 2016 07:03 RaiKageRyu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2016 21:41 KOFgokuon wrote:
On May 09 2016 19:07 Yhamm wrote:
tower of joy was pretty disappointing.. I'll keep this version in my mind I guess. (and why would Ned fight without a fucking shield?)

I didn't like Arya learning to fight being actually blind, is she some sort of Jedi now?

all the rest wasn't bad, just really boring


to be fair we've never seen ned with a shield, my bigger question is why do none of them have plate mail or any real armor, at least wear chainmail >_>


That's cause Ned is supposed to wield the great sword, Ice. It takes two hands for that unless your the Mountain.


Pretty sure Ice was strictly used for executing people, and more of a family heirloom for the Starks.
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KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14912 Posts
May 10 2016 02:45 GMT
#13555
He didn't use Ice in battle during the rebellion, there's questionably sourced material that says he used it during the greyjoy rebellion but certainly not during the rebellion
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9330 Posts
May 10 2016 03:19 GMT
#13556
Maybe Ned didn't use Ice during Robert's rebellion because the sword belonged to his father/older brother, not because it wasn't supposed to be used in battle?
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RenSC2
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States1094 Posts
May 10 2016 05:42 GMT
#13557
I would suspect the sword was with the father/brother when they were executed. That event set off Robert's Rebellion, so the sword would have been with Aerys Targaryen during the war. So Ned would not have it during the battle at the Tower of Joy.
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Laurens
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium4557 Posts
May 10 2016 06:49 GMT
#13558
What was the point of the Sam + Gilly scene? Just showing they're still alive and letting the viewer know they'll go to Sam's home? So many important plots that are nowhere near resolved, and we get 10 mins of Sam puking
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9330 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-10 06:57:17
May 10 2016 06:56 GMT
#13559
Letting us know we're about to see Sam's family, after he'll be done with maester stuff
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States14000 Posts
May 10 2016 06:57 GMT
#13560
On May 10 2016 15:56 Sent. wrote:
Letting us know we're about to see Sam's family

Randyll HYPE
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