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writer22816
United States5775 Posts
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zalz
Netherlands3704 Posts
On June 04 2011 03:21 unsmart wrote: The most immediate thing I see happening is that Stannis will march north thinking he is the chosen one, die, and Jon will take over any surviving men. After such a loss Jon will be forced to march south in retreat from the white walkers. He'll do so with surviving wildlings under his command. As he does so he'll come across the Bolton bastard and Fake Arya. Jon will have some struggles showing that this Arya is fake and while doing so he'll rally the other North houses to him with both his ex-Stannis/Wildling/Crow army and heritage and will become King of the North. Somewhere in this, not sure when, Bran will come in this with magic learned from Cold Hands. I don't think Bran will try for any power and would leave Jon to rule, sorta going more the rout of Theon's uncle, being more of a religious leader that brings back the old ways. I think Sansa is going to stay in the Vale, eventually learn to play the Game, fuck over Little Finger using his love for her/Cat, and somehow take over the Vale. Dany will come in through Dorne after learning how to rule in her test city. She'll fuck up the south pretty badly, and probably gain some turncoats on the way. Eventually she'll notice what is happening in the north. Dany will somehow or another end up teaming up with Jon and take out the White Walkers. It'll be decided that Dany will rule the 7 kingdoms. And then everything goes to hell because Dany can't have kids and thus no legitimate heirs! That went further than I meant it to and is probably wrong lol. Stannis wouldn't march to the north since he is considerd a pretty decent commander so why leave a 300 foot high wall? Then again perhaps against his better judgement he starts to believe he truly is the prince that was promised. I am not entirely sure about the Bran storyline. I think his storyline could get intresting as he goes deep into the north and is bound to learn some things about the others. Him learning magic is also pretty likely. I think Sansa will go exactly as Littlefinger wants, she will marry the guy who is entitled to all of the Vale when Robert dies (wich is likely given his seisures, if not with some littlefinger help). Then littlefinger and Sansa have a claim for the North. Maybe they take it, maybe not, but along the way Sansa will lose her childlike views of the world and essentially become a northern version of Cersei under guidance of littlefinger. Danny will stay in her city for most of dance of dragons and meet up with some of the characters that are traveling to her like Victarion. Eventually i think she will end up falling in love or politically marying the guy from Dorne and land on their shores as allies. We allready know the leader of Dorne wants to band with the Targaryns to get revenge on the Lannisters. | ||
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Evs
Philippines330 Posts
I find it odd that Cersei was able to use Gregor Clegane during Tyrion's trial in the 3rd book. Wasn't she (and Joffrey) limited to the kingsguard when choosing their champion ? Is this a plot hole or was there a reason mentioned before that I missed? | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
I should start off by stating my concerns about the future of the HBO show. IN many cases a show is carried by good actors, and because people grow emotionally etached to some of the caracters and follow them even if nothing happens. Why is this a problem, well let's see, the starting cast of the 1st episode + Show Spoiler + Danaerys Vyseris - DEAD Khal Drogo -DEAD Ser Jorah Eddar Stark -DEAD Catelyn Stark - DEAD Benjen Stark - DEAD or missing Robb - DEAD Bran - crippeled Jon Sansa Arya Theon Greyjoy -DEAD or captive, couldn't figure out Jory (capt. of guard) DEAD Ser Rodrik ? (the master-of-arms) DEAD king Robert - DEAD Cercei - Jaime - suffered mutilation Joeffrey -DEAD Tyrion - suffered mutilation the Hound - suffered mutilation As it stays from the 20 most important starting caracters half is dead some more suffered great physical damage, and those left alive and somewhat healthy are almost esxclusively women. Let's be honest, the majority of the readers/viwers of this kind of series are boys/men. As it stands, there are hardly anyone who could have a role which is close to you, with which you can connect. maybe Jon, but all the others have something really off with them (like being a dwarf or a cirpple). I had the wrong impression this series is mostly about the Starks, well i couldnt be more wrong, they died out. Ofc there are the girls, but they dont carry the name, and Rickon who is 4 and out somewhere. Obviously a 4 year old canot have any significant role. Bran canot have children for sure, unless some northen senanigan heals him. Btw Catelyn was the biggest spoiler ever, like every time he sensed it if sg is amiss, even if there wasnt anything pointing to it even for her, like the trap for Robb or the detrimential defence at the Mill of his brother. I m actually really glad she died for once | ||
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DM20
Canada544 Posts
On June 06 2011 07:32 Geo.Rion wrote: so, situation report nr 2., about 3/4 of the 3rd book. I should start off by stating my concerns about the future of the HBO show. IN many cases a show is carried by good actors, and because people grow emotionally etached to some of the caracters and follow them even if nothing happens. Why is this a problem, well let's see, the starting cast of the 1st episode + Show Spoiler + Danaerys Vyseris - DEAD Khal Drogo -DEAD Ser Jorah Eddar Stark -DEAD Catelyn Stark - DEAD Benjen Stark - DEAD or missing Robb - DEAD Jon - crippeled Sansa Arya Theon Greyjoy -DEAD or captive, couldn't figure out Jory (capt. of guard) DEAD Ser Rodrik ? (the master-of-arms) DEAD king Robert - DEAD Cercei - Jaime - suffered mutilation Joeffrey -DEAD Tyrion - suffered mutilation the Hound - suffered mutilation As it stays from the 20 most important starting caracters half is dead some more suffered great physical damage, and those left alive and somewhat healthy are almost esxclusively women. Let's be honest, the majority of the readers/viwers of this kind of series are boys/men. As it stands, there are hardly anyone who could have a role which is close to you, with which you can connect. maybe Jon, but all the others have something really off with them (like being a dwarf or a cirpple). I had the wrong impression this series is mostly about the Starks, well i couldnt be more wrong, they died out. Ofc there are the girls, but they dont carry the name, and Rickon who is 4 and out somewhere. Obviously a 4 year old canot have any significant role. Bran canot have children for sure, unless some northen senanigan heals him. Btw Catelyn was the biggest spoiler ever, like every time he sensed it if sg is amiss, even if there wasnt anything pointing to it even for her, like the trap for Robb or the detrimential defence at the Mill of his brother. I m actually really glad she died for once But that's one of the best parts about the series, after Ned dies, everyone is going to realize nobody is safe. It's going to go from wondering about how your favorite character is going to make it out of the mess they are in,to holy fuck hopefully they don't die. | ||
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Maginor
Norway505 Posts
On June 06 2011 07:32 Geo.Rion wrote: so, situation report nr 2., about 3/4 of the 3rd book. I should start off by stating my concerns about the future of the HBO show. IN many cases a show is carried by good actors, and because people grow emotionally etached to some of the caracters and follow them even if nothing happens. Why is this a problem, well let's see, the starting cast of the 1st episode + Show Spoiler + Danaerys Vyseris - DEAD Khal Drogo -DEAD Ser Jorah Eddar Stark -DEAD Catelyn Stark - DEAD Benjen Stark - DEAD or missing Robb - DEAD Jon - crippeled Sansa Arya Theon Greyjoy -DEAD or captive, couldn't figure out Jory (capt. of guard) DEAD Ser Rodrik ? (the master-of-arms) DEAD king Robert - DEAD Cercei - Jaime - suffered mutilation Joeffrey -DEAD Tyrion - suffered mutilation the Hound - suffered mutilation As it stays from the 20 most important starting caracters half is dead some more suffered great physical damage, and those left alive and somewhat healthy are almost esxclusively women. Let's be honest, the majority of the readers/viwers of this kind of series are boys/men. As it stands, there are hardly anyone who could have a role which is close to you, with which you can connect. maybe Jon, but all the others have something really off with them (like being a dwarf or a cirpple). I had the wrong impression this series is mostly about the Starks, well i couldnt be more wrong, they died out. Ofc there are the girls, but they dont carry the name, and Rickon who is 4 and out somewhere. Obviously a 4 year old canot have any significant role. Bran canot have children for sure, unless some northen senanigan heals him. Btw Catelyn was the biggest spoiler ever, like every time he sensed it if sg is amiss, even if there wasnt anything pointing to it even for her, like the trap for Robb or the detrimential defence at the Mill of his brother. I m actually really glad she died for once Jon isn't crippled though, but I am sure you meant Bran. Also, the characters that suffered mutilations usually became more interesting after that. Especially Jaime. | ||
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Mercadia
United States257 Posts
On June 04 2011 23:53 Evs wrote: Rereading a bit in anticipation of the 5th book. I find it odd that Cersei was able to use Gregor Clegane during Tyrion's trial in the 3rd book. Wasn't she (and Joffrey) limited to the kingsguard when choosing their champion ? Is this a plot hole or was there a reason mentioned before that I missed? Cersei brought this rule up to screw over Margaery Tyrell in book four, then within like 5 pages it bites her in the ass. The High Septon is somehow in charge of the trial (I found it a little weak how that all happened). | ||
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Quotidian
Norway1937 Posts
On June 04 2011 21:05 writer22816 wrote: I will be so sad if Dany just ends up ruling the 7 kingdoms. Far too cookie-cutter. I'm sure she'll get within reach of the throne, and then be cut down by an unexpected plot twist and/or her own bad judgement. I'm kind of expecting the series to end on a total downer with slimmer of hope hinted at but not explored. | ||
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Bonkarooni
United States383 Posts
On May 23 2011 07:32 ryanAnger wrote: Okay guys, this thread is actually good for me, because I'm halfway through book 2, but before I read a series I always read the full plot summary from wikipedia. In what way is Catelyn a "Zombie"? I know she is referred to as Stoneheart, but is she still there in the head? Does she still think how she once did, or is she literally just a zombie? Why the hell do you read the whole plot before reading the book? | ||
Skilledblob
Germany3392 Posts
On June 06 2011 08:49 Bonkarooni wrote: Why the hell do you read the whole plot before reading the book? probably so he can afterwards whine on the internet about the book being boring and predictable  but to answer the question Catelyn is no zombie in the classical sense. She does think even though she is mainly thinking about getting revenge and she is alive. She was revived by magic after she was dead for a few days so now she looks really bad + has a big knifewound across her throat | ||
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Robstickle
Great Britain406 Posts
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snotboogie
Australia3550 Posts
Team Tyrion for life. HALFMAN! HALFMAN!!!! | ||
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
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RisingTide
Australia769 Posts
Edit: I keep thinking ep8 was ep9. So this is good hopefully we get a fever-dream of the Tower of Joy. | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On June 06 2011 07:32 Geo.Rion wrote: so, situation report nr 2., about 3/4 of the 3rd book. I should start off by stating my concerns about the future of the HBO show. IN many cases a show is carried by good actors, and because people grow emotionally etached to some of the caracters and follow them even if nothing happens. Why is this a problem, well let's see, the starting cast of the 1st episode + Show Spoiler + Danaerys Vyseris - DEAD Khal Drogo -DEAD Ser Jorah Eddar Stark -DEAD Catelyn Stark - DEAD Benjen Stark - DEAD or missing Robb - DEAD Bran - crippeled Jon Sansa Arya Theon Greyjoy -DEAD or captive, couldn't figure out Jory (capt. of guard) DEAD Ser Rodrik ? (the master-of-arms) DEAD king Robert - DEAD Cercei - Jaime - suffered mutilation Joeffrey -DEAD Tyrion - suffered mutilation the Hound - suffered mutilation As it stays from the 20 most important starting caracters half is dead some more suffered great physical damage, and those left alive and somewhat healthy are almost esxclusively women. Let's be honest, the majority of the readers/viwers of this kind of series are boys/men. As it stands, there are hardly anyone who could have a role which is close to you, with which you can connect. maybe Jon, but all the others have something really off with them (like being a dwarf or a cirpple). I had the wrong impression this series is mostly about the Starks, well i couldnt be more wrong, they died out. Ofc there are the girls, but they dont carry the name, and Rickon who is 4 and out somewhere. Obviously a 4 year old canot have any significant role. Bran canot have children for sure, unless some northen senanigan heals him. Btw Catelyn was the biggest spoiler ever, like every time he sensed it if sg is amiss, even if there wasnt anything pointing to it even for her, like the trap for Robb or the detrimential defence at the Mill of his brother. I m actually really glad she died for once Well basically, the serie goes from a Stark centered storyline to a Lannister centered storyline between book 3 and 4, putting Tyrion aside (because he is there since the beginning and fade away at the end of book 3 like the Starks). So I also think that S1 & 2 will be damn good, but S3 and 4 will be tough for the show. Also Catelyn did not die. Only good characters dies in SoIaF, shitty sansa and shitty catelyn will stay till the end for the love of the lolz. | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On June 06 2011 18:35 WhiteDog wrote: Well basically, the serie goes from a Stark centered storyline to a Lannister centered storyline between book 3 and 4, putting Tyrion aside (because he is there since the beginning and fade away at the end of book 3 like the Starks). So I also think that S1 & 2 will be damn good, but S3 and 4 will be tough for the show. Also Catelyn did not die. Only good characters dies in SoIaF, shitty sansa and shitty catelyn will stay till the end for the love of the lolz. What are you talking about? What, Arya, Bran, Jon and Dany, Catelyn are Lannisters? They get most chapters in Book3, not Tyrion, Jamie and Cersei. | ||
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aloT
England1042 Posts
So Martin wrote this episode himself. I expect like many others, I was specifically looking at any info the impending Syrio scene would give as to determine his current status, being one of the most kickass people in the entire series. The transcript from book to movie was almost identical, with the exception that instead of Arya breathing the dancing phrases "xxx like a deer, like a cat", she uses the phrase "not today" (in reference to syrio's god of death). This is still different, quite so, to "all men must die". In essence, we have learnt... nothing. Sadpanda | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On June 06 2011 19:30 -Archangel- wrote: What are you talking about? What, Arya, Bran, Jon and Dany, Catelyn are Lannisters? They get most chapters in Book3, not Tyrion, Jamie and Cersei. I said "between book 3 and 4". You should remember that, at the end of book 3, Arya and Catelyne got new names, Bran flee a burned down winterfell. In book 4, it's almost only about the Lannisters. | ||
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Acid~
Thailand442 Posts
On June 06 2011 20:18 aloT wrote: Alright guys! So Martin wrote this episode himself. I expect like many others, I was specifically looking at any info the impending Syrio scene would give as to determine his current status, being one of the most kickass people in the entire series. The transcript from book to movie was almost identical, with the exception that instead of Arya breathing the dancing phrases "xxx like a deer, like a cat", she uses the phrase "not today" (in reference to syrio's god of death). This is still different, quite so, to "all men must die". In essence, we have learnt... nothing. Sadpanda Syrio's dead. He's not a faceless man, he's not Jaqen (who is in the black cells since before Syrio starts teaching Arya), he's not alive anymore. | ||
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Mattes
Germany1116 Posts
Battle for riverrun (jaimes capture) Battle between tywins troops/the one half lead by roose bolton Danys miscarriage, Drogos detereorating condition are kind of obvious from the promo Taking the books, baelors sept and the happening there _should_ be in this episode too, but i could see them save it for the last episode (as its definately _the_ moment of s1). Also hoping to see the dialogue between jon and aemon, they MUST keep it in :/ Still hopes for a tower of joy-dream (but probably not going to happen  ) | ||
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