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SPOILER WARNING If you only watch the show, this thread will spoil you of future events in HBO's Game of Thrones. Thread contains discussion of all books of the series A Song of Ice and Fire
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Xinder
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2269 Posts
June 02 2011 15:16 GMT
#321
On June 03 2011 00:01 Sm3agol wrote:
By that I meant.....I want to know what's up with Arya, as she's one of my fav chars atm.


How much do you want to know? Read the spolier tag if you want the full reveal. Otherwise respond how much you actually want to know and i can prob cut it down. + Show Spoiler +
The imposter Arya he's referring too is a girl from the north that's dressed up to look similiar to Arya to be wed to the bastard of Bolton. Roose Bolton and then b/c sansa is in the eyrie Winterfell falls to Arya and when she's wed that would give Winterfell to the Bolton's who are in support of the Lannisters.
"Daaayyyy9, King Pussyfoot of NinnyVille"- Day9 while playing Amnesia
Maginor
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway505 Posts
June 02 2011 15:28 GMT
#322
On June 02 2011 22:26 betaV1.25 wrote:
As for the parents of john.... i would be dissapointed if john turns out to be a targ. He has stark written all over him, it would feel like watching an animated series where a dog eats hamburgers with a hippie.


I don't see the problem anyway. He would have just as many Stark genes if Lyanna was his mother as if Ned was his father.
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14911 Posts
June 02 2011 18:41 GMT
#323
why not just google it? you'll get way more detail than here
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
June 02 2011 18:47 GMT
#324
On June 03 2011 00:16 Xinder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2011 00:01 Sm3agol wrote:
By that I meant.....I want to know what's up with Arya, as she's one of my fav chars atm.


How much do you want to know? Read the spolier tag if you want the full reveal. Otherwise respond how much you actually want to know and i can prob cut it down. + Show Spoiler +
The imposter Arya he's referring too is a girl from the north that's dressed up to look similiar to Arya to be wed to the bastard of Bolton. Roose Bolton and then b/c sansa is in the eyrie Winterfell falls to Arya and when she's wed that would give Winterfell to the Bolton's who are in support of the Lannisters.

+ Show Spoiler [Where is Arya] +
Last time we heard about her she became an assassin and use various name, you should read the book for more
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
zalz
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Netherlands3704 Posts
June 02 2011 20:05 GMT
#325
On June 03 2011 03:47 WhiteDog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2011 00:16 Xinder wrote:
On June 03 2011 00:01 Sm3agol wrote:
By that I meant.....I want to know what's up with Arya, as she's one of my fav chars atm.


How much do you want to know? Read the spolier tag if you want the full reveal. Otherwise respond how much you actually want to know and i can prob cut it down. + Show Spoiler +
The imposter Arya he's referring too is a girl from the north that's dressed up to look similiar to Arya to be wed to the bastard of Bolton. Roose Bolton and then b/c sansa is in the eyrie Winterfell falls to Arya and when she's wed that would give Winterfell to the Bolton's who are in support of the Lannisters.

+ Show Spoiler [Where is Arya] +
Last time we heard about her she became an assassin and use various name, you should read the book for more


Well to be very exact last we heard of her she went blind.
Xinder
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2269 Posts
June 02 2011 21:30 GMT
#326
On June 03 2011 05:05 zalz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2011 03:47 WhiteDog wrote:
On June 03 2011 00:16 Xinder wrote:
On June 03 2011 00:01 Sm3agol wrote:
By that I meant.....I want to know what's up with Arya, as she's one of my fav chars atm.


How much do you want to know? Read the spolier tag if you want the full reveal. Otherwise respond how much you actually want to know and i can prob cut it down. + Show Spoiler +
The imposter Arya he's referring too is a girl from the north that's dressed up to look similiar to Arya to be wed to the bastard of Bolton. Roose Bolton and then b/c sansa is in the eyrie Winterfell falls to Arya and when she's wed that would give Winterfell to the Bolton's who are in support of the Lannisters.

+ Show Spoiler [Where is Arya] +
Last time we heard about her she became an assassin and use various name, you should read the book for more


Well to be very exact last we heard of her she went blind.


Correct. Though to be fair and as others have said in this thread. I doubt she stays blind. I am guessing that it's like part 1 of her training in the temple. Eliminating a sense to make her other senses stronger and make her a better assassin. Also could be part of helping her forget her face so she can change it easier? Easy to forget your face when you're blind.
"Daaayyyy9, King Pussyfoot of NinnyVille"- Day9 while playing Amnesia
betaV1.25
Profile Joined April 2010
425 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-03 06:08:51
June 03 2011 06:08 GMT
#327
On June 03 2011 00:28 Maginor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2011 22:26 betaV1.25 wrote:
As for the parents of john.... i would be dissapointed if john turns out to be a targ. He has stark written all over him, it would feel like watching an animated series where a dog eats hamburgers with a hippie.


I don't see the problem anyway. He would have just as many Stark genes if Lyanna was his mother as if Ned was his father.


You dont see a problem with having 0 features from 1 of the parents? I do have an issue with that, if not -any- looks at least some dragon dreams or i dunno.


Arya spoilers
-didnt sleep enough had a late flight and i am allready at work again so forgive me if this isnt 100% in order-


+ Show Spoiler +
This is ofc in short, she escapes when the lannisters try to catch her, watches her fathers execution from the crowd. Decides its not very safe to be arya stark and survives as a street boy. She runs into not so nice people. They make her do house hold work, but she lives, then she meets the faceless man. He is kinda kick ass. Think in the terms of ninja-waterdancer. They do some stuff that ... doesnt end very well for other people. (you can use the the voice from unreal tournement here that says: "killing spreeeeeeeeeeeeeee") When arya escapes she get to meet the hound. The hound saves her at the red wedding (not very gentle but hey, its save never the less). After that she leaves the hound to die as she cannot find the hearth to kill him herself. (some people argue that she actually prefered the hound to suffer and die a slow death). She then uses the knowledge and item that she got from the faceless man (he is actually faceless btw meaning, he changes faces). to sail across the narrow sea. In Bravos her training to become a faceless man begins but doesnt go very smooth. Last thing you read from her is that she wakes up and she is blind.



edit used spoiler marks instead of qoute i really am 2 tired to post it seems, should be an intresting day at work.
SiguR
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada2039 Posts
June 03 2011 06:20 GMT
#328
I really hope Syrio Forel's scene is done well in episode 8. It better be epic!
zalz
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Netherlands3704 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-03 08:45:49
June 03 2011 08:44 GMT
#329
On June 03 2011 06:30 Xinder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2011 05:05 zalz wrote:
On June 03 2011 03:47 WhiteDog wrote:
On June 03 2011 00:16 Xinder wrote:
On June 03 2011 00:01 Sm3agol wrote:
By that I meant.....I want to know what's up with Arya, as she's one of my fav chars atm.


How much do you want to know? Read the spolier tag if you want the full reveal. Otherwise respond how much you actually want to know and i can prob cut it down. + Show Spoiler +
The imposter Arya he's referring too is a girl from the north that's dressed up to look similiar to Arya to be wed to the bastard of Bolton. Roose Bolton and then b/c sansa is in the eyrie Winterfell falls to Arya and when she's wed that would give Winterfell to the Bolton's who are in support of the Lannisters.

+ Show Spoiler [Where is Arya] +
Last time we heard about her she became an assassin and use various name, you should read the book for more


Well to be very exact last we heard of her she went blind.


Correct. Though to be fair and as others have said in this thread. I doubt she stays blind. I am guessing that it's like part 1 of her training in the temple. Eliminating a sense to make her other senses stronger and make her a better assassin. Also could be part of helping her forget her face so she can change it easier? Easy to forget your face when you're blind.


This seems most likely.

If only from a practical perspective that it's rather difficult to write 3 books full of chapters with a character that can't see.

And yeah, i think Arya is one of the characters that is gonna atleast survive till the last book. Not many where i really dare say that with certainty, it's just Arya and Jon where i am convinced they will survive till at the very least the last book.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18280 Posts
June 03 2011 10:01 GMT
#330
On June 03 2011 17:44 zalz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2011 06:30 Xinder wrote:
On June 03 2011 05:05 zalz wrote:
On June 03 2011 03:47 WhiteDog wrote:
On June 03 2011 00:16 Xinder wrote:
On June 03 2011 00:01 Sm3agol wrote:
By that I meant.....I want to know what's up with Arya, as she's one of my fav chars atm.


How much do you want to know? Read the spolier tag if you want the full reveal. Otherwise respond how much you actually want to know and i can prob cut it down. + Show Spoiler +
The imposter Arya he's referring too is a girl from the north that's dressed up to look similiar to Arya to be wed to the bastard of Bolton. Roose Bolton and then b/c sansa is in the eyrie Winterfell falls to Arya and when she's wed that would give Winterfell to the Bolton's who are in support of the Lannisters.

+ Show Spoiler [Where is Arya] +
Last time we heard about her she became an assassin and use various name, you should read the book for more


Well to be very exact last we heard of her she went blind.


Correct. Though to be fair and as others have said in this thread. I doubt she stays blind. I am guessing that it's like part 1 of her training in the temple. Eliminating a sense to make her other senses stronger and make her a better assassin. Also could be part of helping her forget her face so she can change it easier? Easy to forget your face when you're blind.


This seems most likely.

If only from a practical perspective that it's rather difficult to write 3 books full of chapters with a character that can't see.

And yeah, i think Arya is one of the characters that is gonna atleast survive till the last book. Not many where i really dare say that with certainty, it's just Arya and Jon where i am convinced they will survive till at the very least the last book.


Yeah, I was convinced Robb couldn't die. I was proved wrong. If it suits the story to have any character die, they will. Hell, GRRM killed Brienne just because he wanted to show that the "good side" is also not completely good; basically zombie-Catelyn murdered Brienne because of a lust for vengeance and some really false beliefs about what Brienne had done.

Granted, we don't know for sure Brienne is actually dead, but it very much seemed that way at the end of FfC.
zalz
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Netherlands3704 Posts
June 03 2011 10:57 GMT
#331
On June 03 2011 19:01 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2011 17:44 zalz wrote:
On June 03 2011 06:30 Xinder wrote:
On June 03 2011 05:05 zalz wrote:
On June 03 2011 03:47 WhiteDog wrote:
On June 03 2011 00:16 Xinder wrote:
On June 03 2011 00:01 Sm3agol wrote:
By that I meant.....I want to know what's up with Arya, as she's one of my fav chars atm.


How much do you want to know? Read the spolier tag if you want the full reveal. Otherwise respond how much you actually want to know and i can prob cut it down. + Show Spoiler +
The imposter Arya he's referring too is a girl from the north that's dressed up to look similiar to Arya to be wed to the bastard of Bolton. Roose Bolton and then b/c sansa is in the eyrie Winterfell falls to Arya and when she's wed that would give Winterfell to the Bolton's who are in support of the Lannisters.

+ Show Spoiler [Where is Arya] +
Last time we heard about her she became an assassin and use various name, you should read the book for more


Well to be very exact last we heard of her she went blind.


Correct. Though to be fair and as others have said in this thread. I doubt she stays blind. I am guessing that it's like part 1 of her training in the temple. Eliminating a sense to make her other senses stronger and make her a better assassin. Also could be part of helping her forget her face so she can change it easier? Easy to forget your face when you're blind.


This seems most likely.

If only from a practical perspective that it's rather difficult to write 3 books full of chapters with a character that can't see.

And yeah, i think Arya is one of the characters that is gonna atleast survive till the last book. Not many where i really dare say that with certainty, it's just Arya and Jon where i am convinced they will survive till at the very least the last book.


Yeah, I was convinced Robb couldn't die. I was proved wrong. If it suits the story to have any character die, they will. Hell, GRRM killed Brienne just because he wanted to show that the "good side" is also not completely good; basically zombie-Catelyn murdered Brienne because of a lust for vengeance and some really false beliefs about what Brienne had done.

Granted, we don't know for sure Brienne is actually dead, but it very much seemed that way at the end of FfC.


I am actually pretty sure that Brienne is still alive. It could be either way but i consider it far more likely that she survived the ordeal. But we won't learn much about any of that in Dance of Dragons because i don't think she gets any chapters in that book.

Not that i would mind it if she got killed, one of the most boring chapters in the book together with some of the Bran chapters.

I think the entire problem with the Brienne storyline was that she was looking for Sansa in areas that we knew Sansa wasn't at because we also had Sansa chapters. We allready knew she wasn't gonna find them and her pointless journey just seemed all the more pointless. I don't dislike the character of Brienne but the chapters are just boring as hell.
shmay
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States1091 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-03 11:07:26
June 03 2011 10:59 GMT
#332
On May 30 2011 20:20 SF-Fork wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2011 20:14 zalz wrote:
On May 30 2011 17:18 WhiteDog wrote:
On May 30 2011 16:53 zalz wrote:
On May 30 2011 16:33 elt wrote:
I guess in the big scheme of things it's quite insignificant? The writing was on the wall, and this way everyone gets to see how much of a bastard Littlefinger is (as I would assume TV-goers would simply assume it's all Littlefinger's fault).

We've got a giant ass convergence going on (Malazan-style) with how Dany is shaping out. Don't forget Euron blowing his "dragon-taming" horn (can't remember the details exactly) at the end of Feast. Everyone is going to Dany, and I think we have to wait and see how that plays itself out (interplay between the Ironborn, Quentyn Martell and Tyrion) before we can really guess what will happen when she crosses the Narrow Sea.

Lastly, I don't know if it's only me but I'm under a sneaking suspicion that Robb acknowledged Jon in some official manner and named him his heir sometime in Storm. I can't direct you to the chapter, but I remember distinctly Robb having an argument with Catelyn about having the need for a Stark, a man, to lead the army were something to happen to him and she was incredibly opposed to it. Just how fun would it be were one of Robb's bannermen to turn up at the wall (with Howland Reed for added effect <.<) to name Jon King in the North (as a Stark or Targaryen, take your pick).



He didn't blow that horn himself, one of his people did and they ended up dead with their inside's burned to a crisp.

After the death of Hoster Tully, Robb intended to return to the North, reclaim his territory which has been conquered by the ironmen, and avenge the deaths of his brothers. With his brothers believed dead, he discussed the matter of his succession with his mother, and to her chagrin suggested that his wish was that, if he were to die, Jon Snow might succeed him. Shortly after, he sent Maege Mormont and Galbart Glover North to Greywater Watch with a letter detailing his plans, its contents unrevealed.


This is what the wiki says so it's likely to still be a plot point. Problem with that however is that i just don't see Jon leaving the wall. He had his chance when Stannis offered him but i feel like Jon really sees himself as a man of the nightswatch and is too honourable to leave.

Still, Jon will leave the wall one day or another, it's obvious.


Yeah he will have to, the wall itself is too limited and too disconnected from the rest of the story and Jon is clearly to big a character.

I think he will leave after the white walkers are defeated because then he could leave with a sense of "i have done my duty". But for him to leave otherwise seems to go against the character.



He also might leave if the Wall itself is defeated, which seems much more likely.


I actually think he's going to join the Walkers -- or at least somehow align himself with the magic from the North. There is obviously something up there in North of importance (Bran's attraction to it, Coldhands, something weird probably happened to Benjen). Jon is a Stark, his last name is Snow, and his direwolf is white. All signs point to him being a part of the North, rather than an enemy of it.

Opposing him would be his cousin Daenerys, another legitimate heir the the throne, who commands fire-breathing dragons and is conquering the Mediterranean eastern continent, with eyes set for the iron throne (set in the warm South). We know Melisandre is something of a priestess for the Fire, perhaps she has misinterpreted the omens to believe that Stannis is the rightful king (when it is in fact Daenerys)?

The two opposing magical forces that are slowly gaining strength -- the Ice and the Fire -- are heading for a clash, and at their helms will be the two rightful heirs to the throne -- Jon and Daenerys.

Of course this opens up a whole 'nother set of problems, like how all of the other characters and plot lines will fit into this. Will everyone end up joining a side? Will it really just be a straight up two-sided brutish clash for Westros between two of our favorite characters?

I think there will be a serious GRRM twist to all of this, with all sorts of subplots and backstabbings, but I think we can clearly identify two major forces (the Ice and the Fire) and two obvious leaders for those two forces (Jon and Daenerys). How it will play out from there is pretty uncertain.

Edit: actually I just looked back on pg 11 to StockHwaiting's post and found that more likely and satisfying, but I dunno, that would involve Jon joining the Fire side, which doesn't seem like his thing. We still need to fit Bran into the story.
Maginor
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway505 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-03 11:01:38
June 03 2011 11:01 GMT
#333
On June 03 2011 15:08 betaV1.25 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2011 00:28 Maginor wrote:
On June 02 2011 22:26 betaV1.25 wrote:
As for the parents of john.... i would be dissapointed if john turns out to be a targ. He has stark written all over him, it would feel like watching an animated series where a dog eats hamburgers with a hippie.


I don't see the problem anyway. He would have just as many Stark genes if Lyanna was his mother as if Ned was his father.


You dont see a problem with having 0 features from 1 of the parents? I do have an issue with that, if not -any- looks at least some dragon dreams or i dunno.


We already know that he looks considerably more like a Stark than most of the other Stark children except for Arya. Some of the children inherit more of their looks from one parent than the other, as witnessed by Arya and Sansa. Also, when you say having 0 features from 1 of the parents, you mean that he does not have white hair and purple eyes. It is completely possible to inherit the hair and eye colors from just one parent, especially if one of the genes is dominant for instance. He may have a lot of other features from Rhaegar such as the build of his body, his personality, blood type, some of his facial structure etc. etc. Hair and eye color make up a tiny fraction of the human genome.

Anyway, I think I did not formulate my other post that well. What I tried to say was that we already know that he inherited most of his looks from his Stark parent, so that in itself does not put that many restrictions on who his other parent could have been.
zalz
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Netherlands3704 Posts
June 03 2011 11:46 GMT
#334
On June 03 2011 19:59 shmay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2011 20:20 SF-Fork wrote:
On May 30 2011 20:14 zalz wrote:
On May 30 2011 17:18 WhiteDog wrote:
On May 30 2011 16:53 zalz wrote:
On May 30 2011 16:33 elt wrote:
I guess in the big scheme of things it's quite insignificant? The writing was on the wall, and this way everyone gets to see how much of a bastard Littlefinger is (as I would assume TV-goers would simply assume it's all Littlefinger's fault).

We've got a giant ass convergence going on (Malazan-style) with how Dany is shaping out. Don't forget Euron blowing his "dragon-taming" horn (can't remember the details exactly) at the end of Feast. Everyone is going to Dany, and I think we have to wait and see how that plays itself out (interplay between the Ironborn, Quentyn Martell and Tyrion) before we can really guess what will happen when she crosses the Narrow Sea.

Lastly, I don't know if it's only me but I'm under a sneaking suspicion that Robb acknowledged Jon in some official manner and named him his heir sometime in Storm. I can't direct you to the chapter, but I remember distinctly Robb having an argument with Catelyn about having the need for a Stark, a man, to lead the army were something to happen to him and she was incredibly opposed to it. Just how fun would it be were one of Robb's bannermen to turn up at the wall (with Howland Reed for added effect <.<) to name Jon King in the North (as a Stark or Targaryen, take your pick).



He didn't blow that horn himself, one of his people did and they ended up dead with their inside's burned to a crisp.

After the death of Hoster Tully, Robb intended to return to the North, reclaim his territory which has been conquered by the ironmen, and avenge the deaths of his brothers. With his brothers believed dead, he discussed the matter of his succession with his mother, and to her chagrin suggested that his wish was that, if he were to die, Jon Snow might succeed him. Shortly after, he sent Maege Mormont and Galbart Glover North to Greywater Watch with a letter detailing his plans, its contents unrevealed.


This is what the wiki says so it's likely to still be a plot point. Problem with that however is that i just don't see Jon leaving the wall. He had his chance when Stannis offered him but i feel like Jon really sees himself as a man of the nightswatch and is too honourable to leave.

Still, Jon will leave the wall one day or another, it's obvious.


Yeah he will have to, the wall itself is too limited and too disconnected from the rest of the story and Jon is clearly to big a character.

I think he will leave after the white walkers are defeated because then he could leave with a sense of "i have done my duty". But for him to leave otherwise seems to go against the character.



He also might leave if the Wall itself is defeated, which seems much more likely.


I actually think he's going to join the Walkers -- or at least somehow align himself with the magic from the North. There is obviously something up there in North of importance (Bran's attraction to it, Coldhands, something weird probably happened to Benjen). Jon is a Stark, his last name is Snow, and his direwolf is white. All signs point to him being a part of the North, rather than an enemy of it.

Opposing him would be his cousin Daenerys, another legitimate heir the the throne, who commands fire-breathing dragons and is conquering the Mediterranean eastern continent, with eyes set for the iron throne (set in the warm South). We know Melisandre is something of a priestess for the Fire, perhaps she has misinterpreted the omens to believe that Stannis is the rightful king (when it is in fact Daenerys)?

The two opposing magical forces that are slowly gaining strength -- the Ice and the Fire -- are heading for a clash, and at their helms will be the two rightful heirs to the throne -- Jon and Daenerys.

Of course this opens up a whole 'nother set of problems, like how all of the other characters and plot lines will fit into this. Will everyone end up joining a side? Will it really just be a straight up two-sided brutish clash for Westros between two of our favorite characters?

I think there will be a serious GRRM twist to all of this, with all sorts of subplots and backstabbings, but I think we can clearly identify two major forces (the Ice and the Fire) and two obvious leaders for those two forces (Jon and Daenerys). How it will play out from there is pretty uncertain.

Edit: actually I just looked back on pg 11 to StockHwaiting's post and found that more likely and satisfying, but I dunno, that would involve Jon joining the Fire side, which doesn't seem like his thing. We still need to fit Bran into the story.


Two sides doesn't exclude backstabbing. One of the biggest themes is how things that appear united (The 7 kingdoms) are in reality broken.

I just don't see any other way for the final showdown. If Danny invades, and she will, then she isn't going to settle for anything less then all of westeros. Maybe the opposition is divided, Lannisters and Greyjoys for example, but sooner or later their would have to be two sides. That doesn't have to make the story overtly simplistic, two sides doesn't mean good guys vs bad guys.


There are some things that could ruin the prediction. What about the dragon horn that Euron has obtained? Does it really work and if it does, will he steal a dragon if not all the dragons from Danny?

Will one of the people going to court Danny be succesfull? Could end up allowing her to land on Dorne and work her way up from there.

What about the famous Golden Company? They get mentioned as having broken their contract whilst being famous for never breaking their word. I doubt that would go unadressed.

What about the white walkers? Are they going to end up breaking through the wall?

What about the faceless men? Where do they fit in all of this? Are they just a tool to raise up Arya or do they fit in the bigger picture?

What about Jaqen H'gar? Last we seen of him he is at the citadel, home of the maesters wich are rumored to be responsible for killing the dragons.


Couple of things that could ruin the predicted 1v1 between Danny and whoever.
-Archangel-
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Croatia7457 Posts
June 03 2011 12:29 GMT
#335
I think Stannis is going to be the one to join the Others, not Jon. And I think Melissandre is going to be the cause of the wall falling down.

Just as Robert needed to die for the story to progress, so the Wall needs to fall down for the story to progress
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18280 Posts
June 03 2011 12:41 GMT
#336
On June 03 2011 21:29 -Archangel- wrote:
I think Stannis is going to be the one to join the Others, not Jon. And I think Melissandre is going to be the cause of the wall falling down.

Just as Robert needed to die for the story to progress, so the Wall needs to fall down for the story to progress



The second is obviously a possibility, but I don't see Stannis joining the Others: he seems far too near to Melissandre. However, I also don't think the Others and the white walkers are pure evil, as they have been portrayed so far. Hopefully DwD teaches us more about them.

However, I don't think Jon or Bran will join them. The Children of the Forest fought WITH the first men against the walkers.
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14911 Posts
June 03 2011 16:25 GMT
#337
On May 31 2011 01:38 Damian wrote:
I was just reading some ASOIAF-Wiki when a name popped up: Lord Jon Connington, former Hand of the King and best friend of Rhaegar. As he was exiled, maybe he will join Dany at some point. He sounds like a good addition to her roster


Forgot to respond to this comment from a while ago. Connington drank himself to death after he was exiled so this isn't possible
zalz
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Netherlands3704 Posts
June 03 2011 16:43 GMT
#338
On June 03 2011 21:29 -Archangel- wrote:
I think Stannis is going to be the one to join the Others, not Jon. And I think Melissandre is going to be the cause of the wall falling down.

Just as Robert needed to die for the story to progress, so the Wall needs to fall down for the story to progress


I don't think the others are really a faction that engages in diplomacy and whatnot. I think they represent evil, a force that you can't negotiate with, a force that will try to kill you unless you kill it first.

My current predictions on the others is that they are in all honesty very simple. They are probably as smart as humans but they don't care for humans at all. They will kill and murder their way through the seven kingdoms and never once reach out a hand of kindness.

They aim to bring death to each and everyone in westeros. Who worships death? The faceless men do. Who is a faceless man? Jaqen H'gar. Where is he? At the citadel.

What are the others weak to? Dragon glass and dragon steel so most likely dragons are also on the list. What killed the dragons? The maesters. Where do the maesters come from? The citadel.

My guess is that the faceless men who consider all gods to be gods of death want to let the others win and kill the entire world since they don't see death as something all that bad. Their phrase is "All men must die", could just be stating the obvious or the objective.


As for Mellisandre i currently think she honestly believes in what she is doing. We will get a chapter from her PoV in Dance of dragons so that should clarify a lot. But i really think she believes that she is fullfilling a prophecy but i also think that she is wrong. The blade only shines light but it doesn't emit heat like the real one is supposed to so it seems to just be a fake.
ryanAnger
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States838 Posts
June 03 2011 18:20 GMT
#339
^ I hadn't thought about it like that, w/ the Faceless Ones, but it does make sense.
On my way...
unsmart
Profile Joined April 2009
United States322 Posts
June 03 2011 18:21 GMT
#340
The most immediate thing I see happening is that Stannis will march north thinking he is the chosen one, die, and Jon will take over any surviving men. After such a loss Jon will be forced to march south in retreat from the white walkers. He'll do so with surviving wildlings under his command. As he does so he'll come across the Bolton bastard and Fake Arya.

Jon will have some struggles showing that this Arya is fake and while doing so he'll rally the other North houses to him with both his ex-Stannis/Wildling/Crow army and heritage and will become King of the North.

Somewhere in this, not sure when, Bran will come in this with magic learned from Cold Hands. I don't think Bran will try for any power and would leave Jon to rule, sorta going more the rout of Theon's uncle, being more of a religious leader that brings back the old ways.

I think Sansa is going to stay in the Vale, eventually learn to play the Game, fuck over Little Finger using his love for her/Cat, and somehow take over the Vale.

Dany will come in through Dorne after learning how to rule in her test city. She'll fuck up the south pretty badly, and probably gain some turncoats on the way. Eventually she'll notice what is happening in the north. Dany will somehow or another end up teaming up with Jon and take out the White Walkers. It'll be decided that Dany will rule the 7 kingdoms.

And then everything goes to hell because Dany can't have kids and thus no legitimate heirs!


That went further than I meant it to and is probably wrong lol.
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