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On June 06 2011 18:35 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 07:32 Geo.Rion wrote:so, situation report nr 2., about 3/4 of the 3rd book. I should start off by stating my concerns about the future of the HBO show. IN many cases a show is carried by good actors, and because people grow emotionally etached to some of the caracters and follow them even if nothing happens. Why is this a problem, well let's see, the starting cast of the 1st episode + Show Spoiler +Danaerys
Vyseris - DEAD
Khal Drogo -DEAD
Ser Jorah
Eddar Stark -DEAD
Catelyn Stark - DEAD
Benjen Stark - DEAD or missing
Robb - DEAD
Bran - crippeled
Jon
Sansa
Arya
Theon Greyjoy -DEAD or captive, couldn't figure out
Jory (capt. of guard) DEAD
Ser Rodrik ? (the master-of-arms) DEAD
king Robert - DEAD
Cercei -
Jaime - suffered mutilation
Joeffrey -DEAD
Tyrion - suffered mutilation
the Hound - suffered mutilation As it stays from the 20 most important starting caracters half is dead some more suffered great physical damage, and those left alive and somewhat healthy are almost esxclusively women. Let's be honest, the majority of the readers/viwers of this kind of series are boys/men. As it stands, there are hardly anyone who could have a role which is close to you, with which you can connect. maybe Jon, but all the others have something really off with them (like being a dwarf or a cirpple). I had the wrong impression this series is mostly about the Starks, well i couldnt be more wrong, they died out. Ofc there are the girls, but they dont carry the name, and Rickon who is 4 and out somewhere. Obviously a 4 year old canot have any significant role. Bran canot have children for sure, unless some northen senanigan heals him. Btw Catelyn was the biggest spoiler ever, like every time he sensed it if sg is amiss, even if there wasnt anything pointing to it even for her, like the trap for Robb or the detrimential defence at the Mill of his brother. I m actually really glad she died for once Well basically, the serie goes from a Stark centered storyline to a Lannister centered storyline between book 3 and 4, putting Tyrion aside (because he is there since the beginning and fade away at the end of book 3 like the Starks). So I also think that S1 & 2 will be damn good, but S3 and 4 will be tough for the show. Also Catelyn did not die. Only good characters dies in SoIaF, shitty sansa and shitty catelyn will stay till the end for the love of the lolz.
Catelyn is dead, albeit resurrected. I don't see her playing a major role in the story except for ambushing Freys, Boltons and Lannisters when she can until someone slaughters the camp and burns all the corpses.
As for only good people dying... Joffrey, Viserys, Gregor Clegane (I seriously doubt Cersei's Frankenstein has much to do with Gregor) and Tywin, to name a few, are all dead.
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On June 06 2011 21:18 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 19:30 -Archangel- wrote:On June 06 2011 18:35 WhiteDog wrote:
Well basically, the serie goes from a Stark centered storyline to a Lannister centered storyline between book 3 and 4, putting Tyrion aside (because he is there since the beginning and fade away at the end of book 3 like the Starks).
So I also think that S1 & 2 will be damn good, but S3 and 4 will be tough for the show.
Also Catelyn did not die. Only good characters dies in SoIaF, shitty sansa and shitty catelyn will stay till the end for the love of the lolz. What are you talking about? What, Arya, Bran, Jon and Dany, Catelyn are Lannisters? They get most chapters in Book3, not Tyrion, Jamie and Cersei. I said "between book 3 and 4". You should remember that, at the end of book 3, Arya and Catelyne got new names, Bran flee a burned down winterfell. In book 4, it's almost only about the Lannisters.
Well, it's only about southern Westeros and Iron Isles... that you interpret that as "only Lannisters" is a rather strange interpretation and ignoring all the chapters on Sansa (although they are very forgettable), Dorne, the Greyjoys and Arya. Even Brienne's chapters weren't really about the Lannisters, but more about the ravage that the war had wrought on Westeros.
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many of the events from book 5 happen at the same time as events from book 4, so those two will probably be combined and stetched out over 2-3 seasons if the show is still being renewed at that point. The hardest part will be filming all the battle scenes on a TV budget to be even remotely convincing. That and the increased CGI for dragons, giants, mammoths, fleets of ships, ect.
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On June 07 2011 00:08 karazax wrote:
many of the events from book 5 happen at the same time as events from book 4, so those two will probably be combined and stetched out over 2-3 seasons if the show is still being renewed at that point. The hardest part will be filming all the battle scenes on a TV budget to be even remotely convincing. That and the increased CGI for dragons, giants, mammoths, fleets of ships, ect.
Books 4 and 5 were supposed to be one book but it got too long so they split it up. GRRM just split the books in an odd way.
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On June 07 2011 00:14 Cylon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 00:08 karazax wrote:
many of the events from book 5 happen at the same time as events from book 4, so those two will probably be combined and stetched out over 2-3 seasons if the show is still being renewed at that point. The hardest part will be filming all the battle scenes on a TV budget to be even remotely convincing. That and the increased CGI for dragons, giants, mammoths, fleets of ships, ect. Books 4 and 5 were supposed to be one book but it got too long so they split it up. GRRM just split the books in an odd way.
And then put in the introduction to the book that he'd already written most of book 5 and that it'd be out soon. -_-
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I'm sorry but can someone clarify what all his "Frankenstein" talk is? I know the maester asked permission to experiment on his corpse/alive body, is that what this means? Or has he been resurrected zombie mode?
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Nothing is said explicitly. But Qyburn is depicted as a maester who experiments with corpses, and he asks for a giant armor etc.
And with the end of AffC, and cersei presumably having a fighter so stand up for her, there is some rumor that qyburn experimented on the dying gregor, or even the dead gregor...and yeah..is some dark stuff in his dark cellars..
On June 07 2011 00:08 karazax wrote:
many of the events from book 5 happen at the same time as events from book 4,
Apprx. 50% of AdwD is happening parallel to AffC. The other 50% is set to continue the timeline after AffC with presumably most of those new PoVs.
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What can I say, I'm a fun hater... I'm only half way through the first book, but I'm strange in that I loooooove spoilers of all kinds... I guess I hate not knowing what I'm getting into.
ANYWAY
All the talk of the Gregor-Frankenstein kind of reminded me of one a three eyed crow dream Bran had early in the first book...
'There were shadows all around them. One shadow was dark as ash, with the terrible face of a hound. Another was armored like the sun, golden and beautiful. Over both of them loomed a giant made of stone, but when he opened his visor there was nothing but darkness and thick black blood'
Epic foreshadowing or epic misunderstanding from someone who's only read half of one book, but reads the wiki like none other?
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Let me just say that I'm loving the deliberately massively misleading trailers they always put up for the next episode. Check out the episode 9 one. Mirri Maz Duur says "only death can pay for life", and then we see Jorah carrying a very bloody Danerys...
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On June 07 2011 21:26 Iranon wrote:
Let me just say that I'm loving the deliberately massively misleading trailers they always put up for the next episode. Check out the episode 9 one. Mirri Maz Duur says "only death can pay for life", and then we see Jorah carrying a very bloody Danerys...
well they had the trollmaster GRRM on board so it's not too surprising! ^^
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On June 07 2011 21:26 Iranon wrote:
Let me just say that I'm loving the deliberately massively misleading trailers they always put up for the next episode. Check out the episode 9 one. Mirri Maz Duur says "only death can pay for life", and then we see Jorah carrying a very bloody Danerys...
Taking into account that the episode is named: "Baelor" - like in baelors sept...
yeah..some people will be in for a treat :D
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On June 07 2011 23:53 Mattes wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 21:26 Iranon wrote:
Let me just say that I'm loving the deliberately massively misleading trailers they always put up for the next episode. Check out the episode 9 one. Mirri Maz Duur says "only death can pay for life", and then we see Jorah carrying a very bloody Danerys... Taking into account that the episode is named: "Baelor" - like in baelors sept... yeah..some people will be in for a treat :D
Here's to hoping they end the episode with the my favorite chapter in the books.
I remember reading it at least 3 times before I could properly comprehend what had actually happened.
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There are two kinds of undead, the wight-walkers of the north and the undying, the wight-walkers get their powers from old gods or rather the same source of magic, the undying are raised by red priest's magic, I believe that Old gods and the god of light are at war with each other playing their own "game of thrones" but however they are limited to the use of mortals. I don't believe Undying Catelyn is really Cat anymore.
As for the show, honesty I think they did a good job, however I think really it's kind of pointless to watch if you read the book, They haven't change much but drop out characters, The casting is good but I think Tryion is too good looking they should of fix him up a bit at least (make his eye color mix matched) , the dire wolves look to much like huskies to me probably they should be CGIed in, and makes me question how they will affective they will do the dragons in later seasons.
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On June 08 2011 23:14 Bonafidecreeper wrote:
There are two kinds of undead, the wight-walkers of the north and the undying, the wight-walkers get their powers from old gods or rather the same source of magic..
this is in your world right, based of your own fantasy or did i miss something this important?
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I am not sure what you are asking, where did I read it, Undying first appear originally in the Daenerys' story line first the red priest in the lamb man village turns Khal Drogo into one, then in Clash of kings Daenerys face the undying in a temple for one of her trials. In Feast for crows the red priest said he was unable to give Cat the breath of fire as he did to keep Lord Beric alive for so long so he used deeper magic,
As for the wight walkers we still don't know that much about them other than there seems to be two kinds, the mindless zombies wight walkers and then there is Cold hands ( who is probably Ben Stark) who can speak, I am sure we will learn more about the old gods intention when bran's story line returns,
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What i am asking is where on earth did you pull that the others get 'their' magic from the old gods?
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Oh, yes that is just a guess, there I believe the old gods are talking to bran and willing Cold hands to find bran and bring him to where he needs to be whether they are controlling the "zombie" wight walkers I don't really know.. There does seem to be two source of magic in the world, Fire and Ice which I believe true meaning of name A Song of Fire and Ice. If you listen to Melisande ramblings in Storm of Swords she is obsessed with destroying godswood bringing dragons back by sacrificing king's blood.
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On June 09 2011 00:28 Bonafidecreeper wrote:
I am not sure what you are asking, where did I read it, Undying first appear originally in the Daenerys' story line first the red priest in the lamb man village turns Khal Drogo into one, then in Clash of kings Daenerys face the undying in a temple for one of her trials. In Feast for crows the red priest said he was unable to give Cat the breath of fire as he did to keep Lord Beric alive for so long so he used deeper magic,
As for the wight walkers we still don't know that much about them other than there seems to be two kinds, the mindless zombies wight walkers and then there is Cold hands ( who is probably Ben Stark) who can speak, I am sure we will learn more about the old gods intention when bran's story line returns,
Ok several things are wrong with that. They're the "White walkers" and then the things that tried to kill Lord Moremont in GoTs were Wights. Then there are "the Others" which as i understood it are synonymous with White Walkers. Second Thoros of Myr, the red priest, told Beric he couldn't give Cat the Breath of Fire because she'd been dead too long. So Beric gave his breath of life to Cat and she is now the undead Cat who leads Beric's men. Thoros didn't use any deeper magic. Please think carefully on what you've read before you post things like that which are worded incorrectly and also given incorrect book facts.
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But its clear that Melisande is wrong about a lot of things. (for example she thinks that stannis is the prince that was promised and gives him lightbringer, how ever, according to the last targ (by name for sure atleast) on westeros that happens to be a measter lightbringer is supposed to generate heat and the sword of stannis doesnt.
And what about blood magic? The magic that the red priests use doesnt feel the same as the dragon magic, neither does the magic that the warlocs use.
Do i really have to wait another month to read that freacking boooooooooooookkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk.
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On June 08 2011 23:14 Bonafidecreeper wrote:
There are two kinds of undead, the wight-walkers of the north and the undying, the wight-walkers get their powers from old gods or rather the same source of magic, the undying are raised by red priest's magic, I believe that Old gods and the god of light are at war with each other playing their own "game of thrones" but however they are limited to the use of mortals. I don't believe Undying Catelyn is really Cat anymore.
As for the show, honesty I think they did a good job, however I think really it's kind of pointless to watch if you read the book, They haven't change much but drop out characters, The casting is good but I think Tryion is too good looking they should of fix him up a bit at least (make his eye color mix matched) , the dire wolves look to much like huskies to me probably they should be CGIed in, and makes me question how they will affective they will do the dragons in later seasons.
Why would you think Old Gods have anything to do with White Walkers?!
In the books they said that Children of the Forest helped defeat the first White Walkers and Children worshiped the Old Gods. Also the first men would not worship Gods that sent them White Walkers to slaughter them and turn them into Zombies :D
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