[TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion - Page 15

On May 31 2011 06:36 minus_human wrote:


I would as well like you to do this, GR

On May 31 2011 20:33 Geo.Rion wrote:

ok i will, though i havent read much since then, but in that short period things aren't looking up, Robb has to deal with the treason of the Karstarks, Jon kinda blows his cover as a wildling, but at least 3 of the Black Brothers figured out an alternative way to kill a Walker and there are signs about Highgarden not being totally happy with the Lannisters, so i can see something happening there.
But i wouldnt be surpised if the 3 of the NightWatch just flat out die next time i hear about them, it would be fitting. I ll write once i ve passed half or 2/3s of the book

On May 31 2011 13:40 justinpal wrote:
My only problem with the way he kills off characters is that the deaths often entail uncharacteristic events. For example, Ned is betrayed by a man he knows he should never trust. His only loyalty to him is because of the woman that Littlefinger still loves. Did he really not reason that much through? The reason is because the author feels the need to kill him off to keep it interesting and different. Why not just have Ned die because of his honor or on the battlefield, why does it have to be through an uncharacteristic twist?

Same for Robb, who falls in love with some chick and by love I mean he had sex with her. Of course, he forgets the slight he did against one of his most important supporters. How is that characteristic for him? Well, the author wanted to have a blood orgy and Robb was the character he had decided to cause it. Wow, who would have seen that coming? Such a twist! Like Ned, why couldn't Robb lose a battle and be beheaded by the enemy? Why does he have to die in an underhanded way?

Robert died in a much more fitting way. It was because of his drinking and stupidity not some uncharacteristic action. If Ned/Robb/etc died because of characteristic actions that would be way more interesting. I mean we can accept that a dwarf like Tyrion survives battles against full grown knights through sheer luck, but we praise the same author who gives us deaths of two capable men because "no character is safe."

P.S. man are those books long -_-.

On May 31 2011 13:40 justinpal wrote:
My only problem with the way he kills off characters is that the deaths often entail uncharacteristic events. For example, Ned is betrayed by a man he knows he should never trust. His only loyalty to him is because of the woman that Littlefinger still loves. Did he really not reason that much through? The reason is because the author feels the need to kill him off to keep it interesting and different. Why not just have Ned die because of his honor or on the battlefield, why does it have to be through an uncharacteristic twist?

Same for Robb, who falls in love with some chick and by love I mean he had sex with her. Of course, he forgets the slight he did against one of his most important supporters. How is that characteristic for him? Well, the author wanted to have a blood orgy and Robb was the character he had decided to cause it. Wow, who would have seen that coming? Such a twist! Like Ned, why couldn't Robb lose a battle and be beheaded by the enemy? Why does he have to die in an underhanded way?

Robert died in a much more fitting way. It was because of his drinking and stupidity not some uncharacteristic action. If Ned/Robb/etc died because of characteristic actions that would be way more interesting. I mean we can accept that a dwarf like Tyrion survives battles against full grown knights through sheer luck, but we praise the same author who gives us deaths of two capable men because "no character is safe."

P.S. man are those books long -_-.

On May 31 2011 00:35 Geo.Rion wrote:
I cant believe this shit, i m at the 1/4th of the 3rd book and all the positive caracters are screwed over sooo badly it's not even funny. I liked the story cuz the balance of power was so fragile it could swing either way but now it needs a fucking chain of miracles to make things even again.

Where i'm at the story looks like this:
- 30k wildlings are about to storm The Wall
- White Walkers just attacked the ~300ish black brothers at the Fist
-The Greyjoys took several important strategical castles North
-Winterfell is in ashes and has no inhabitants
- the 2 youngest Starks are out in the wild basicly alone, though this is an improvement since their alegged beheadings
- beside the Greyjoys and the Wildlings, Starks have to face the combined power of King's Landing, Castlery Rock, Highgarden, Storm's End and Sunspear. (i'm not sure about the last one, but i understood they are with them as well). Against them, they have the North and probably the weakest of the 8 houses, the Tullys of Riverrun, what remained of those anyways. The Eyrie was afraid to join them when it was Tully+Stark vs Lannister, i dont see why would aid them now.
-if the gross outnumbering wont be enough, they actually lost the support of the Freys for absoultely no gain but a dozen swords which are more likely to kill Robb then to help him, which means even worse outnumbering and the ability to go back and settle things North, cuz they have no way to cross
- Their only asset vs the Lannisters, Jaime, has been set free. Best case scenario, they get the whiny Sansa back, though not fucking likely, since he said she'd marry s1 in Highgarden
- Arya just walked into some raiders of sort, AGAIN
- Jon Snow was forced to slay one of the coolest Black Brother and join the Wildlings
- Davos, just go arrested
-Tyrion, the only caracter who is on the winnig side right now, lost half his face, all his power and support he gathered and was threatened to not whore, and gained basickly nothing.

I dont give a fck abuot Danny.

So someone who read all of these books, just PM me please. Are things gonna get better for them, or should i quit reading this to not waste my time on a couple hundred more pages to find out how they fail even more and die one by one? I've been waiting some sort of upswing since the death of Ned Stark, yet it seems they are going even further down, and fast.

I want no major spoiler so i dont want to read the thread, someone please PM me..

On June 01 2011 01:12 DrainX wrote:

I don't understand. Can you only enjoy a story if everything goes well for the "good guys"? I think it is much more interesting to follow characters through hardship and see how they deal with it. Setbacks and failures have a way of shaping characters. All the bad in the world can also be useful in understanding the "evil" characters. Maybe a character you would consider "good" early on turns bad because he keeps getting tortured through life. That, to me, is a lot more interesting to follow than some feelgood success story. Of course it would be boring if a character you liked was followed by the story for a long time just being worse and worse of and then dying for no reason without any other effect on the plot. I don't think that is the case though. The whole story is a clusterfuck of backstabbing and suffering with a few glimpses of happiness. But I think Martin has a reason for following each of the characters that he does follow and I don't think any of the characters suffer or die for no reason. If you don't enjoy it I guess you should find some other books.

On June 01 2011 02:31 Geo.Rion wrote:

no i dont mind good caracters getting shit sometimes, or someone getting so much of it that they turn bitter, but as i described on every front, every caracter who can be a title of the chapter is eating shit one dish after another, for some without much of a hope but a miracle (like the night's watch going vs 30k wildling and the Others. Unless those two vanquish each other only a miracle can work there, afais)

On June 01 2011 02:31 Geo.Rion wrote:

no i dont mind good caracters getting shit sometimes, or someone getting so much of it that they turn bitter, but as i described on every front, every caracter who can be a title of the chapter is eating shit one dish after another, for some without much of a hope but a miracle (like the night's watch going vs 30k wildling and the Others. Unless those two vanquish each other only a miracle can work there, afais)

On June 01 2011 02:32 1Eris1 wrote:Think about it though, would there be a book 4 if all of the good characters died in the 3rd book?

On June 01 2011 03:10 Xayoz wrote:

Of course there would be.
I don't think GRRM would have any problems killing off every single 'good guy' and continuing the story from PoV of those previously seen as villains.
I kinda wish he would do that before the end.

On June 01 2011 03:10 Xayoz wrote:

Of course there would be.
I don't think GRRM would have any problems killing off every single 'good guy' and continuing the story from PoV of those previously seen as villains.
I kinda wish he would do that before the end.

On June 01 2011 03:55 matko5 wrote:
The more I read the books, the more I see Jaime as sort of a main character. At least for the part going on in 7 kingdoms. Him losing his hand made him more human, and more relatable.

On June 01 2011 06:39 1Eris1 wrote:He likes killing characters, but I don't think he's dumb. Killing off the entire stark line+other good characters would make him lose so many fans.

-- writing the first draft of my script for episode nine of season two of the HBO series GAME OF THRONES, "Blackwater," and damn, but this one is a bitch of an adaptation, the original author made the damn battle way too big and too expensive,

On June 01 2011 06:49 Bagi wrote:

Jaime is deep down a good guy with a horrible past who is slowly redeeming himself, but I don't think he's the main character. His story is not the focus of the books, its a more personal one.

Jon Snow is the closest thing we have to a main character.

On June 02 2011 18:20 zalz wrote:


But tell me, would current Jaime not throw Bran off the tower if he was in the same position? I think calling Jaime a good guy would be too easy, i think he is still very family oriented and would still do a lot of horrible things if it called for it.

On June 02 2011 14:54 pred470r wrote:
From Martin's blog


I hope they don't make the battle with 2 fishing boats fighting each other, I wanna see some bad-ass green flames burn down some real ships.

On June 02 2011 21:25 WhiteDog wrote:

That's why I hated when Robb dies, way more than when Ned dies: Nedd let Robb behind him, so the Stark's are not over... Robb let nothing behind him, not even a son.