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On May 26 2011 01:56 Naib wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2011 01:21 Sentient wrote:On May 25 2011 23:41 karazax wrote:On May 25 2011 08:05 1Eris1 wrote:
Btw, was it ever revealed who Doran had planned to marry Arianne off too? He told her the man was now dead, but I don't think he told her exactly who it was?
I thought it might have been Joffrey Viserys is my assumption. Considering he sent men across the sea and Elia was wed to Rhaegar. Definitely Viserys. Arrianne: "Who is it? Who have I been betrothed to, all these years?" Doran: "It makes no matter. He's dead." Arriane: "The old ones are so frail. Was it a broken hip, a chill, the gout?" Doran: "It was a pot of molten gold. We princes make our careful plans and the gods smash them away." And now Prince Doran is planning for his son Trystane to wed Daenerys, as he has no options left for that union. Euron also wants to take her as his wife, that's why he sent Victarion...I guess the 5th book will be full of Dany's bedroom stories 
Trystane is betrothed to Myrcella.
Prince Doran wants his eldest son, Quentyn, to marry Dany.
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On May 26 2011 03:43 Cyberspace1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2011 01:56 Naib wrote:On May 26 2011 01:21 Sentient wrote:On May 25 2011 23:41 karazax wrote:On May 25 2011 08:05 1Eris1 wrote:
Btw, was it ever revealed who Doran had planned to marry Arianne off too? He told her the man was now dead, but I don't think he told her exactly who it was?
I thought it might have been Joffrey Viserys is my assumption. Considering he sent men across the sea and Elia was wed to Rhaegar. Definitely Viserys. Arrianne: "Who is it? Who have I been betrothed to, all these years?" Doran: "It makes no matter. He's dead." Arriane: "The old ones are so frail. Was it a broken hip, a chill, the gout?" Doran: "It was a pot of molten gold. We princes make our careful plans and the gods smash them away." And now Prince Doran is planning for his son Trystane to wed Daenerys, as he has no options left for that union. Euron also wants to take her as his wife, that's why he sent Victarion...I guess the 5th book will be full of Dany's bedroom stories Trystane is betrothed to Myrcella. Prince Doran wants his eldest son, Quentyn, to marry Dany.
Myrcella is also injured from when Darkstar tried to kill her. Also from what i recall she's also disfigured pretty badly now too. Lost an ear and stuff.
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On May 26 2011 03:53 Xinder wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2011 03:43 Cyberspace1 wrote:On May 26 2011 01:56 Naib wrote:On May 26 2011 01:21 Sentient wrote:On May 25 2011 23:41 karazax wrote:On May 25 2011 08:05 1Eris1 wrote:
Btw, was it ever revealed who Doran had planned to marry Arianne off too? He told her the man was now dead, but I don't think he told her exactly who it was?
I thought it might have been Joffrey Viserys is my assumption. Considering he sent men across the sea and Elia was wed to Rhaegar. Definitely Viserys. Arrianne: "Who is it? Who have I been betrothed to, all these years?" Doran: "It makes no matter. He's dead." Arriane: "The old ones are so frail. Was it a broken hip, a chill, the gout?" Doran: "It was a pot of molten gold. We princes make our careful plans and the gods smash them away." And now Prince Doran is planning for his son Trystane to wed Daenerys, as he has no options left for that union. Euron also wants to take her as his wife, that's why he sent Victarion...I guess the 5th book will be full of Dany's bedroom stories Trystane is betrothed to Myrcella. Prince Doran wants his eldest son, Quentyn, to marry Dany. Myrcella is also injured from when Darkstar tried to kill her. Also from what i recall she's also disfigured pretty badly now too. Lost an ear and stuff.
When she's worth a kingdom I think you'll ignore the missing ear when you marry her.
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On May 25 2011 06:39 Xayoz wrote:
Yeah... The Jon/Arya pairing has been every shippers wet dream since the first book came out.
I remember myself thinking: 'well great, those 2 will be screwing each other by book 2' after reading some first chapters of GoT.
Was so happy when that didn't happen and still have faith that GRRM is a good enough writer not to fall for such cliches.
Incest is not a big deal in Westeros. That doesn't change the fact that this is a stupid and overy predictable pairing.
GRRM doesn't do predictable.
I really do not see incest as a cliche :S kinda the other way actually, more of a taboo.
But that being said, i guess grrm has already "fallen" for it. And in the first book no less! I was under the impression that the incest between jaime and cersei was something considered more unique and "out there".
As for Arya and Jon, i have seen that speculation before and it blows my mind that people could get any kind of sexual vibe out of the relation between a 7/8 year old sister and a 14/15 year old brother, who happens to have alot in common. Just feels to me like these people don't have siblings of the oppositer gender, or atleast a strange realtionship with them.
Not predictable at all, so i guess this one is possible after all and cersei jaime is not lol. And incest is definitely a big deal in westeros, the only exception being the targaryans.
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On May 26 2011 03:55 skyrunner wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2011 06:39 Xayoz wrote:
Yeah... The Jon/Arya pairing has been every shippers wet dream since the first book came out.
I remember myself thinking: 'well great, those 2 will be screwing each other by book 2' after reading some first chapters of GoT.
Was so happy when that didn't happen and still have faith that GRRM is a good enough writer not to fall for such cliches.
Incest is not a big deal in Westeros. That doesn't change the fact that this is a stupid and overy predictable pairing.
GRRM doesn't do predictable. I really do not see incest as a cliche :S kinda the other way actually, more of a taboo. But that being said, i guess grrm has already "fallen" for it. And in the first book no less! I was under the impression that the incest between jaime and cersei was something considered more unique and "out there". As for Arya and Jon, i have seen that speculation before and it blows my mind that people could get any kind of sexual vibe out of the relation between a 7/8 year old sister and a 14/15 year old brother, who happens to have alot in common. Just feels to me like these people don't have siblings of the oppositer gender, or atleast a strange realtionship with them. Not predictable at all, so i guess this one is possible after all and cersei jaime is not lol. And incest is definitely a big deal in westeros, the only exception being the targaryans.
Completely agreed. The guy you cited also must only have skimmed the books. As you say, incest is NOT accepted in Westeros, except between Tagaryens, who intermarried to keep the bloodline (and its unique magic) pure. This led to crazies (like Aerys the Mad King, Maegor the cruel and Viserys), but also excellence as in Aemon the Dragonknight, Rhaegar (by all accounts except Robert Baratheon's) and Daenerys.
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One of the spearmen drifted over to Lommy. “Something wrong with your leg, boy?”
“It got hurt.”
“Can you walk?” He sounded concerned.
“No,” said Lommy. “You got to carry me.”
“Think so?” The man lifted his spear casually and drove the point through the boy’s soft throat. Lommy never even had time to yield again.
best part is the "He sounded concerned."
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On May 26 2011 01:37 Skilledblob wrote:
I just hope that illyrio sends Tyrion to Danaerys. Would be so awesome to see my two favorite characters together
Confirmed in a preview chapter from years ago. Of course we don't know how it's going to work out >_>
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surprised nobody's talking about how Sansa didn't go running to Cersei about her father's plans like she did in the books. It seems like it might be a cop out to avoid sansa hate, but perhaps they're going to throw something equally hate-inducing later. Also it can be argued that if they'd shown that, it would have somewhat ruined the effect of the end of episode 7, as it's plain that Cersei would be given time to react accordingly
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I guess in the big scheme of things it's quite insignificant? The writing was on the wall, and this way everyone gets to see how much of a bastard Littlefinger is (as I would assume TV-goers would simply assume it's all Littlefinger's fault).
We've got a giant ass convergence going on (Malazan-style) with how Dany is shaping out. Don't forget Euron blowing his "dragon-taming" horn (can't remember the details exactly) at the end of Feast. Everyone is going to Dany, and I think we have to wait and see how that plays itself out (interplay between the Ironborn, Quentyn Martell and Tyrion) before we can really guess what will happen when she crosses the Narrow Sea.
Lastly, I don't know if it's only me but I'm under a sneaking suspicion that Robb acknowledged Jon in some official manner and named him his heir sometime in Storm. I can't direct you to the chapter, but I remember distinctly Robb having an argument with Catelyn about having the need for a Stark, a man, to lead the army were something to happen to him and she was incredibly opposed to it. Just how fun would it be were one of Robb's bannermen to turn up at the wall (with Howland Reed for added effect <.<) to name Jon King in the North (as a Stark or Targaryen, take your pick).
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On May 30 2011 15:52 Zelniq wrote:
surprised nobody's talking about how Sansa didn't go running to Cersei about her father's plans like she did in the books. It seems like it might be a cop out to avoid sansa hate, but perhaps they're going to throw something equally hate-inducing later. Also it can be argued that if they'd shown that, it would have somewhat ruined the effect of the end of episode 7, as it's plain that Cersei would be given time to react accordingly
That was my first thought too, but then i realized, that in the books we didn't see Sansa's betrayal "on screen" either. In the books we learn of it only after Ned was taken prisoner. So it still can happen/be told in episode 8.
I'd really hate it if they just changed that part. This is one of the most important actions of Sansa and the number one reason why so many hate her.
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On May 30 2011 16:33 elt wrote:
I guess in the big scheme of things it's quite insignificant? The writing was on the wall, and this way everyone gets to see how much of a bastard Littlefinger is (as I would assume TV-goers would simply assume it's all Littlefinger's fault).
We've got a giant ass convergence going on (Malazan-style) with how Dany is shaping out. Don't forget Euron blowing his "dragon-taming" horn (can't remember the details exactly) at the end of Feast. Everyone is going to Dany, and I think we have to wait and see how that plays itself out (interplay between the Ironborn, Quentyn Martell and Tyrion) before we can really guess what will happen when she crosses the Narrow Sea.
Lastly, I don't know if it's only me but I'm under a sneaking suspicion that Robb acknowledged Jon in some official manner and named him his heir sometime in Storm. I can't direct you to the chapter, but I remember distinctly Robb having an argument with Catelyn about having the need for a Stark, a man, to lead the army were something to happen to him and she was incredibly opposed to it. Just how fun would it be were one of Robb's bannermen to turn up at the wall (with Howland Reed for added effect <.<) to name Jon King in the North (as a Stark or Targaryen, take your pick).
He didn't blow that horn himself, one of his people did and they ended up dead with their inside's burned to a crisp.
After the death of Hoster Tully, Robb intended to return to the North, reclaim his territory which has been conquered by the ironmen, and avenge the deaths of his brothers. With his brothers believed dead, he discussed the matter of his succession with his mother, and to her chagrin suggested that his wish was that, if he were to die, Jon Snow might succeed him. Shortly after, he sent Maege Mormont and Galbart Glover North to Greywater Watch with a letter detailing his plans, its contents unrevealed.
This is what the wiki says so it's likely to still be a plot point. Problem with that however is that i just don't see Jon leaving the wall. He had his chance when Stannis offered him but i feel like Jon really sees himself as a man of the nightswatch and is too honourable to leave.
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On May 30 2011 16:53 zalz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2011 16:33 elt wrote:
I guess in the big scheme of things it's quite insignificant? The writing was on the wall, and this way everyone gets to see how much of a bastard Littlefinger is (as I would assume TV-goers would simply assume it's all Littlefinger's fault).
We've got a giant ass convergence going on (Malazan-style) with how Dany is shaping out. Don't forget Euron blowing his "dragon-taming" horn (can't remember the details exactly) at the end of Feast. Everyone is going to Dany, and I think we have to wait and see how that plays itself out (interplay between the Ironborn, Quentyn Martell and Tyrion) before we can really guess what will happen when she crosses the Narrow Sea.
Lastly, I don't know if it's only me but I'm under a sneaking suspicion that Robb acknowledged Jon in some official manner and named him his heir sometime in Storm. I can't direct you to the chapter, but I remember distinctly Robb having an argument with Catelyn about having the need for a Stark, a man, to lead the army were something to happen to him and she was incredibly opposed to it. Just how fun would it be were one of Robb's bannermen to turn up at the wall (with Howland Reed for added effect <.<) to name Jon King in the North (as a Stark or Targaryen, take your pick).
He didn't blow that horn himself, one of his people did and they ended up dead with their inside's burned to a crisp. Show nested quote +After the death of Hoster Tully, Robb intended to return to the North, reclaim his territory which has been conquered by the ironmen, and avenge the deaths of his brothers. With his brothers believed dead, he discussed the matter of his succession with his mother, and to her chagrin suggested that his wish was that, if he were to die, Jon Snow might succeed him. Shortly after, he sent Maege Mormont and Galbart Glover North to Greywater Watch with a letter detailing his plans, its contents unrevealed. This is what the wiki says so it's likely to still be a plot point. Problem with that however is that i just don't see Jon leaving the wall. He had his chance when Stannis offered him but i feel like Jon really sees himself as a man of the nightswatch and is too honourable to leave.
Still, Jon will leave the wall one day or another, it's obvious.
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I think the only chance of that happening is if the Others are vanquished completely. Either that or he has to leave on a related matter.
Despite what I said about it being interested were Jon to be named King in the North, his vows would hold tight until there be no need for it.
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On May 30 2011 17:18 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2011 16:53 zalz wrote:On May 30 2011 16:33 elt wrote:
I guess in the big scheme of things it's quite insignificant? The writing was on the wall, and this way everyone gets to see how much of a bastard Littlefinger is (as I would assume TV-goers would simply assume it's all Littlefinger's fault).
We've got a giant ass convergence going on (Malazan-style) with how Dany is shaping out. Don't forget Euron blowing his "dragon-taming" horn (can't remember the details exactly) at the end of Feast. Everyone is going to Dany, and I think we have to wait and see how that plays itself out (interplay between the Ironborn, Quentyn Martell and Tyrion) before we can really guess what will happen when she crosses the Narrow Sea.
Lastly, I don't know if it's only me but I'm under a sneaking suspicion that Robb acknowledged Jon in some official manner and named him his heir sometime in Storm. I can't direct you to the chapter, but I remember distinctly Robb having an argument with Catelyn about having the need for a Stark, a man, to lead the army were something to happen to him and she was incredibly opposed to it. Just how fun would it be were one of Robb's bannermen to turn up at the wall (with Howland Reed for added effect <.<) to name Jon King in the North (as a Stark or Targaryen, take your pick).
He didn't blow that horn himself, one of his people did and they ended up dead with their inside's burned to a crisp. After the death of Hoster Tully, Robb intended to return to the North, reclaim his territory which has been conquered by the ironmen, and avenge the deaths of his brothers. With his brothers believed dead, he discussed the matter of his succession with his mother, and to her chagrin suggested that his wish was that, if he were to die, Jon Snow might succeed him. Shortly after, he sent Maege Mormont and Galbart Glover North to Greywater Watch with a letter detailing his plans, its contents unrevealed. This is what the wiki says so it's likely to still be a plot point. Problem with that however is that i just don't see Jon leaving the wall. He had his chance when Stannis offered him but i feel like Jon really sees himself as a man of the nightswatch and is too honourable to leave. Still, Jon will leave the wall one day or another, it's obvious.
Yeah he will have to, the wall itself is too limited and too disconnected from the rest of the story and Jon is clearly to big a character.
I think he will leave after the white walkers are defeated because then he could leave with a sense of "i have done my duty". But for him to leave otherwise seems to go against the character.
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Russian Federation1401 Posts
On May 30 2011 20:14 zalz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2011 17:18 WhiteDog wrote:On May 30 2011 16:53 zalz wrote:On May 30 2011 16:33 elt wrote:
I guess in the big scheme of things it's quite insignificant? The writing was on the wall, and this way everyone gets to see how much of a bastard Littlefinger is (as I would assume TV-goers would simply assume it's all Littlefinger's fault).
We've got a giant ass convergence going on (Malazan-style) with how Dany is shaping out. Don't forget Euron blowing his "dragon-taming" horn (can't remember the details exactly) at the end of Feast. Everyone is going to Dany, and I think we have to wait and see how that plays itself out (interplay between the Ironborn, Quentyn Martell and Tyrion) before we can really guess what will happen when she crosses the Narrow Sea.
Lastly, I don't know if it's only me but I'm under a sneaking suspicion that Robb acknowledged Jon in some official manner and named him his heir sometime in Storm. I can't direct you to the chapter, but I remember distinctly Robb having an argument with Catelyn about having the need for a Stark, a man, to lead the army were something to happen to him and she was incredibly opposed to it. Just how fun would it be were one of Robb's bannermen to turn up at the wall (with Howland Reed for added effect <.<) to name Jon King in the North (as a Stark or Targaryen, take your pick).
He didn't blow that horn himself, one of his people did and they ended up dead with their inside's burned to a crisp. After the death of Hoster Tully, Robb intended to return to the North, reclaim his territory which has been conquered by the ironmen, and avenge the deaths of his brothers. With his brothers believed dead, he discussed the matter of his succession with his mother, and to her chagrin suggested that his wish was that, if he were to die, Jon Snow might succeed him. Shortly after, he sent Maege Mormont and Galbart Glover North to Greywater Watch with a letter detailing his plans, its contents unrevealed. This is what the wiki says so it's likely to still be a plot point. Problem with that however is that i just don't see Jon leaving the wall. He had his chance when Stannis offered him but i feel like Jon really sees himself as a man of the nightswatch and is too honourable to leave. Still, Jon will leave the wall one day or another, it's obvious. Yeah he will have to, the wall itself is too limited and too disconnected from the rest of the story and Jon is clearly to big a character. I think he will leave after the white walkers are defeated because then he could leave with a sense of "i have done my duty". But for him to leave otherwise seems to go against the character.
He also might leave if the Wall itself is defeated, which seems much more likely.
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On May 30 2011 20:20 SF-Fork wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2011 20:14 zalz wrote:On May 30 2011 17:18 WhiteDog wrote:On May 30 2011 16:53 zalz wrote:On May 30 2011 16:33 elt wrote:
I guess in the big scheme of things it's quite insignificant? The writing was on the wall, and this way everyone gets to see how much of a bastard Littlefinger is (as I would assume TV-goers would simply assume it's all Littlefinger's fault).
We've got a giant ass convergence going on (Malazan-style) with how Dany is shaping out. Don't forget Euron blowing his "dragon-taming" horn (can't remember the details exactly) at the end of Feast. Everyone is going to Dany, and I think we have to wait and see how that plays itself out (interplay between the Ironborn, Quentyn Martell and Tyrion) before we can really guess what will happen when she crosses the Narrow Sea.
Lastly, I don't know if it's only me but I'm under a sneaking suspicion that Robb acknowledged Jon in some official manner and named him his heir sometime in Storm. I can't direct you to the chapter, but I remember distinctly Robb having an argument with Catelyn about having the need for a Stark, a man, to lead the army were something to happen to him and she was incredibly opposed to it. Just how fun would it be were one of Robb's bannermen to turn up at the wall (with Howland Reed for added effect <.<) to name Jon King in the North (as a Stark or Targaryen, take your pick).
He didn't blow that horn himself, one of his people did and they ended up dead with their inside's burned to a crisp. After the death of Hoster Tully, Robb intended to return to the North, reclaim his territory which has been conquered by the ironmen, and avenge the deaths of his brothers. With his brothers believed dead, he discussed the matter of his succession with his mother, and to her chagrin suggested that his wish was that, if he were to die, Jon Snow might succeed him. Shortly after, he sent Maege Mormont and Galbart Glover North to Greywater Watch with a letter detailing his plans, its contents unrevealed. This is what the wiki says so it's likely to still be a plot point. Problem with that however is that i just don't see Jon leaving the wall. He had his chance when Stannis offered him but i feel like Jon really sees himself as a man of the nightswatch and is too honourable to leave. Still, Jon will leave the wall one day or another, it's obvious. Yeah he will have to, the wall itself is too limited and too disconnected from the rest of the story and Jon is clearly to big a character. I think he will leave after the white walkers are defeated because then he could leave with a sense of "i have done my duty". But for him to leave otherwise seems to go against the character. He also might leave if the Wall itself is defeated, which seems much more likely.
Could be but in that case he wouldn't be able to join the "main" story and he would still be in the nightswatch.
Seems odd to suddenly lead an army to re-take the north for the Starks when days before that the white walkers ran down your wall and are currently invading that very same north.
I don't think the white walker storyline will be that big anyway. My guess would be that it gets defeated before they cross the wall. Maybe with the help of a dragon. A single dragon would instantly render the white walkers harmless. They can't fight back and they are more vulnerable then normal humans to dragons.
It would also provide a good chance for Danny to meet up with Jon, work out him being a Targaryen and him joining her army.
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On May 30 2011 20:38 zalz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2011 20:20 SF-Fork wrote:On May 30 2011 20:14 zalz wrote:On May 30 2011 17:18 WhiteDog wrote:On May 30 2011 16:53 zalz wrote:On May 30 2011 16:33 elt wrote:
I guess in the big scheme of things it's quite insignificant? The writing was on the wall, and this way everyone gets to see how much of a bastard Littlefinger is (as I would assume TV-goers would simply assume it's all Littlefinger's fault).
We've got a giant ass convergence going on (Malazan-style) with how Dany is shaping out. Don't forget Euron blowing his "dragon-taming" horn (can't remember the details exactly) at the end of Feast. Everyone is going to Dany, and I think we have to wait and see how that plays itself out (interplay between the Ironborn, Quentyn Martell and Tyrion) before we can really guess what will happen when she crosses the Narrow Sea.
Lastly, I don't know if it's only me but I'm under a sneaking suspicion that Robb acknowledged Jon in some official manner and named him his heir sometime in Storm. I can't direct you to the chapter, but I remember distinctly Robb having an argument with Catelyn about having the need for a Stark, a man, to lead the army were something to happen to him and she was incredibly opposed to it. Just how fun would it be were one of Robb's bannermen to turn up at the wall (with Howland Reed for added effect <.<) to name Jon King in the North (as a Stark or Targaryen, take your pick).
He didn't blow that horn himself, one of his people did and they ended up dead with their inside's burned to a crisp. After the death of Hoster Tully, Robb intended to return to the North, reclaim his territory which has been conquered by the ironmen, and avenge the deaths of his brothers. With his brothers believed dead, he discussed the matter of his succession with his mother, and to her chagrin suggested that his wish was that, if he were to die, Jon Snow might succeed him. Shortly after, he sent Maege Mormont and Galbart Glover North to Greywater Watch with a letter detailing his plans, its contents unrevealed. This is what the wiki says so it's likely to still be a plot point. Problem with that however is that i just don't see Jon leaving the wall. He had his chance when Stannis offered him but i feel like Jon really sees himself as a man of the nightswatch and is too honourable to leave. Still, Jon will leave the wall one day or another, it's obvious. Yeah he will have to, the wall itself is too limited and too disconnected from the rest of the story and Jon is clearly to big a character. I think he will leave after the white walkers are defeated because then he could leave with a sense of "i have done my duty". But for him to leave otherwise seems to go against the character. He also might leave if the Wall itself is defeated, which seems much more likely. Could be but in that case he wouldn't be able to join the "main" story and he would still be in the nightswatch. Seems odd to suddenly lead an army to re-take the north for the Starks when days before that the white walkers ran down your wall and are currently invading that very same north. I don't think the white walker storyline will be that big anyway. My guess would be that it gets defeated before they cross the wall. Maybe with the help of a dragon. A single dragon would instantly render the white walkers harmless. They can't fight back and they are more vulnerable then normal humans to dragons. It would also provide a good chance for Danny to meet up with Jon, work out him being a Targaryen and him joining her army.
I think a general defeat of the Seven Kingdoms by the Night Walkers because they couldn't solve their petty differences and didn't act when it mattered fits Martin's style much better.
I see the Wall being broken, and Jon traveling south to unite the Seven Kingdoms with his Stark and Targaryen claim.
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On May 30 2011 20:45 SF-Fork wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2011 20:38 zalz wrote:On May 30 2011 20:20 SF-Fork wrote:On May 30 2011 20:14 zalz wrote:On May 30 2011 17:18 WhiteDog wrote:On May 30 2011 16:53 zalz wrote:On May 30 2011 16:33 elt wrote:
I guess in the big scheme of things it's quite insignificant? The writing was on the wall, and this way everyone gets to see how much of a bastard Littlefinger is (as I would assume TV-goers would simply assume it's all Littlefinger's fault).
We've got a giant ass convergence going on (Malazan-style) with how Dany is shaping out. Don't forget Euron blowing his "dragon-taming" horn (can't remember the details exactly) at the end of Feast. Everyone is going to Dany, and I think we have to wait and see how that plays itself out (interplay between the Ironborn, Quentyn Martell and Tyrion) before we can really guess what will happen when she crosses the Narrow Sea.
Lastly, I don't know if it's only me but I'm under a sneaking suspicion that Robb acknowledged Jon in some official manner and named him his heir sometime in Storm. I can't direct you to the chapter, but I remember distinctly Robb having an argument with Catelyn about having the need for a Stark, a man, to lead the army were something to happen to him and she was incredibly opposed to it. Just how fun would it be were one of Robb's bannermen to turn up at the wall (with Howland Reed for added effect <.<) to name Jon King in the North (as a Stark or Targaryen, take your pick).
He didn't blow that horn himself, one of his people did and they ended up dead with their inside's burned to a crisp. After the death of Hoster Tully, Robb intended to return to the North, reclaim his territory which has been conquered by the ironmen, and avenge the deaths of his brothers. With his brothers believed dead, he discussed the matter of his succession with his mother, and to her chagrin suggested that his wish was that, if he were to die, Jon Snow might succeed him. Shortly after, he sent Maege Mormont and Galbart Glover North to Greywater Watch with a letter detailing his plans, its contents unrevealed. This is what the wiki says so it's likely to still be a plot point. Problem with that however is that i just don't see Jon leaving the wall. He had his chance when Stannis offered him but i feel like Jon really sees himself as a man of the nightswatch and is too honourable to leave. Still, Jon will leave the wall one day or another, it's obvious. Yeah he will have to, the wall itself is too limited and too disconnected from the rest of the story and Jon is clearly to big a character. I think he will leave after the white walkers are defeated because then he could leave with a sense of "i have done my duty". But for him to leave otherwise seems to go against the character. He also might leave if the Wall itself is defeated, which seems much more likely. Could be but in that case he wouldn't be able to join the "main" story and he would still be in the nightswatch. Seems odd to suddenly lead an army to re-take the north for the Starks when days before that the white walkers ran down your wall and are currently invading that very same north. I don't think the white walker storyline will be that big anyway. My guess would be that it gets defeated before they cross the wall. Maybe with the help of a dragon. A single dragon would instantly render the white walkers harmless. They can't fight back and they are more vulnerable then normal humans to dragons. It would also provide a good chance for Danny to meet up with Jon, work out him being a Targaryen and him joining her army. I think a general defeat of the Seven Kingdoms by the Night Walkers because they couldn't solve their petty differences and didn't act when it mattered fits Martin's style much better. I see the Wall being broken, and Jon traveling south to unite the Seven Kingdoms with his Stark and Targaryen claim.
GRRM does have a hand in fucking every single character he writes over. It does suit his style.
On the other hand i just can't feel like at the core this story is about people and their interactions and i feel like something like that would be lost if there was suddenly an allmighty force of evil that isn't in the least bit gray.
Most of his characters, regardless of their side, are gray. These white walker mordor-types just don't seem to mesh well with the story and i think making them the center of attention wouldn't be a true to the story's core as a battle between Danny and the 7 kingdoms would be.
But if GRRM stays true to how he writes then it's probably going to be something i never expected.
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I'd love to see Tyrion as Hand of the Queen :D
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Can anyone remind me, who was in charge of the 7 Kingdoms at the end of book 4?
If I remember correctly, Joffrey and Tywin are dead, Cersei is imprisoned by the septon, Kevan refused to be hand of the king and left the capital, Varys / Littlefinger disappeared, Picelle is dead(?), Tyrion and Jaime are gone.
so who's in charge / ruling for Tommen ?
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