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Yeah... The Jon/Arya pairing has been every shippers wet dream since the first book came out.
I remember myself thinking: 'well great, those 2 will be screwing each other by book 2' after reading some first chapters of GoT.
Was so happy when that didn't happen and still have faith that GRRM is a good enough writer not to fall for such cliches.
Incest is not a big deal in Westeros. That doesn't change the fact that this is a stupid and overy predictable pairing.
GRRM doesn't do predictable.
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On May 25 2011 06:39 Xayoz wrote:
Yeah... The Jon/Arya pairing has been every shippers wet dream since the first book came out.
I remember myself thinking: 'well great, those 2 will be screwing each other by book 2' after reading some first chapters of GoT.
Was so happy when that didn't happen and still have faith that GRRM is a good enough writer not to fall for such cliches.
Incest is not a big deal in Westeros. That doesn't change the fact that this is a stupid and overy predictable pairing.
GRRM doesn't do predictable.
I thought the big one was Sansa/Sandor relationship.
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Incest IS a big deal in Westeros, but I don't think it extends to cousins, especially those of noble blood; IIRC Tywin and Joanna were first cousins.
Even so the Jon/Arya pairing doesn't make sense to me.
Also @StorkHwaiting, I think the Lannisters will pretty much implode after Cersei's prophecy comes true, leaving only Tyrion reclaim his birthright when Dany shows up. I don't think they'll really be powerful enough on their own.
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On May 25 2011 06:43 d3_crescentia wrote:
Incest IS a big deal in Westeros, but I don't think it extends to cousins, especially those of noble blood; IIRC Tywin and Joanna were first cousins.
Even so the Jon/Arya pairing doesn't make sense to me.
Also @StorkHwaiting, I think the Lannisters will pretty much implode after Cersei's prophecy comes true, leaving only Tyrion reclaim his birthright when Dany shows up. I don't think they'll really be powerful enough on their own.
Really? Isn't Kevan named Regent to the throne by the Small Council though? And even though Tywin is dead, his gold is definitely still there. You could very well be right, but with all that gold and a capable man to use it, I think the Lannisters may still have a lot of potential. Cersei is definitely dead weight now and Tyrion went off the deep end, but Lannister still has a great deal of soldiers and money, which can never be underestimated.
You could be right though. Between Jamie, Cersei, Tywin, and Tyrion, the Lannisters definitely made a few too many enemies.
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When Cersei is captured at the end of AFFC, it is said that Harys Swyft and Pycelle are leading the realm. They are both loyal to Lannisters, and Kevan was offered the seat of regent, but it is unknown if he accepts. Currently Lannisters are still in control.
The Tyrells are a bit of a wildcard though. Mace Tyrell was headed back to Kings Landing after hearing what happened to Margaery, it might be he'll take the position for himself.
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Yes, but he hasn't accepted. I was under the impression that Kevan isn't as cunning as Tywin was, and that he seemed like he wanted to permanently retire after the whole Lancel debacle. If he's back, I don't think he'll act on his own initiative.
I think Dorne will have a much bigger impact as well - given that Arianne is already a confirmed POV character, it would be kind of a shame to see House Martell simply get crushed and ignored for the rest of the series.
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On May 25 2011 03:33 Maginor wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2011 03:23 WhiteDog wrote:On May 25 2011 03:21 Maginor wrote:On May 25 2011 03:13 WhiteDog wrote:On May 25 2011 02:44 Maginor wrote:On May 25 2011 02:40 WhiteDog wrote:On May 25 2011 02:30 Maginor wrote:On May 25 2011 02:15 WhiteDog wrote:On May 25 2011 02:05 flamewheel wrote:From http://towerofthehand.com/essays/chrisholden/jon_snows_parents.html : As one last tidbit of evidence, it can be said that if Jon is the son of Rhaegar and Lyanna, it fits with the series name 'A Song of Ice and Fire.' Jon seems to be shaping as the main character, and it would fit the series title if his parents were Rhaegar (fire) and Lyanna (ice). So I was discussing GoT with Wax last night before sleeping. The conclusion we came to was that Jon was ice and Dany was fire and they would go against one another in the end... or something like that. Basically because Jon is now pretty much the only character left in the series without fault. I mean, you know he's got to be something important in the end, even if he's getting ignored now. Though that interpretation above makes me think... Jon + Dany get married or something? Who knows; I actually need to read the books now instead of spoilering myself off wiki plots and internet articles. Edit: Huh, and the first comment at the end of that article came to the same conclusion I did... Yeah even if it's quite pointless to theorize on the end of the books, I also think Jon and Daenerys will fight one against each other, until the others or any other bigger threat comes and force them to unite. Then Daenerys marry Jon (who is the prince that should come or whatever) and everybody is happy. At least that's how I see the end of the book. Daenerys have had some dream about her brother Rhaegar and how he talks about the third head of the dragon while looking at his two child, meaning Jon is the third. The problem is Martin is the guy that is known to shaken your own certitude. On the other side, he already killed almost everyone. On May 25 2011 00:35 Mattes wrote:
Its not only Ned (although you're right, he is the main character of book 1), but the viewers who haven't read the books will experience 4 "major" deaths in 4 consecutive episodes as it seems (ep6 - visery, ep7 - robert, ep8/9 - drogo/eddard).
Yeah, probably the first time for many viewers that a show kills of a huge percentage of (at that point) important characters.
Will be interesting to see. The main problem will not be in Season 1 I think because, even if Ned / Varys / Drogo /Robert are all great characters, they don't die letting nothing behind them: Ned has a son, Varys and Drogo's story line / legacy will still be there through Daenerys and Robert will be there through Stannis / Renly / Joffrey. My main concern is about S2, when you have Robb dying, Catelyne changing name (meaning no more grown up Starks), Renly dying (like a shit). Those characters will let nothing behind them, nobody will get revenge for them (at least not now after 4 books) and nobody will take their legacy / name through the rest of the saga. Robb and Catelyn dies in book 3. And their deaths are just as important for driving the story forward as Neds was. The main theme of the books is not the conflict between the Starks and the Lannisters, it is just a backdrop for the first three books. And it seems to me like you try to fit the story into some kind of formula where a character was useless unless they leave an heir behind or they get revenged. That is not true. Each of them contributed in their way to the state of the world as it is now. And just as importantly, they each contributed to tell a good story. But they had to go to allow the story to progress. And in my opinion, all the interesting characters are still alive anyway. The Stark kids are going to take more active roles now. That is why Martin originally wanted a 5 year gap between book 3 and 4, and why he suggested to age them up for the tv show. Sorry in my country the books are separated and Robb dies in the sixth or something. No it's not a formula, it's easier for the viewer if you like a character his / her death will leave a hole. You will want revenge for him or something, but that's just not how Martin write, so I just don't know how it will go on TV. The Stark kids have no activ roles, rickon is AFK and will not come again and Bran is behond the wall. Sansa changed her name and Arya too (and blind lol). There are no Stark or anyone to represent the Stark in the Game of Throne at the moment (by game of throne I mean all the shit around the iron throne). Even winterfell is destroyed. Yeah Martin wanted a gap, but it will not happen no ? I'm not really clear about that. I said they will take more active roles. As in the future books. The characters don't have to stay in the same place. We don't know if Arya is permanently blind, and their name changes was out of convenience, not necessarily forever. We don't know if the bulk of the story is going to focus around Kings Landing for a while either. I sort of felt like the situation there was resolved in AffC, and will not change much for a while. A Game of Thrones was the name of the first book. This is the Song of Ice and Fire. I agree with you, but it seems so far away even now. Rickon have no appearance in ADWD i think (at least not as a PoV) and Bran is beyond the wall and, with the leak Martin gave at the moment, + Show Spoiler [Spoiler for ADWD] +he has not yet see the three eyed crow. What I mean is, there is a huge hole in the story in my point of view. But, as some said the first time, since AFFC and ADWD were supposed to be the same book, maybe they will change the TV so that S4 & 5 will stay in one peace. ADWD is mostly focused on Jon and Daenerys, actually. So the Stark kids will begin to take on more active roles, but yes, it is still some time in the future before they are major players. And the three eyed crow is a metaphor for magical abilities. It is not an actual creature. The leak could also happen pretty early in the book. Edit: Arya is made blind in the last sentence of her last chapter in AffC. You're sure about that ? Well, no. But did you really think there is a three eyed crow? It feels very obvious to me that it is a metaphor, especially considering the conversations with Jojen Reed in book 2 where he is trying to make Bran figure out what the three eyed crow means, and the final conclusion is that it is about greensight/magical abilities.
Of course it's a metaphore, the crow seems to be the type of animal that the wizard use (cold hand use them for exemple). The three eyed crow still exist, even if he is not a crow with three eyes.
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On May 25 2011 07:16 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2011 03:33 Maginor wrote:On May 25 2011 03:23 WhiteDog wrote:On May 25 2011 03:21 Maginor wrote:On May 25 2011 03:13 WhiteDog wrote:On May 25 2011 02:44 Maginor wrote:On May 25 2011 02:40 WhiteDog wrote:On May 25 2011 02:30 Maginor wrote:On May 25 2011 02:15 WhiteDog wrote:On May 25 2011 02:05 flamewheel wrote:From http://towerofthehand.com/essays/chrisholden/jon_snows_parents.html : [quote] So I was discussing GoT with Wax last night before sleeping. The conclusion we came to was that Jon was ice and Dany was fire and they would go against one another in the end... or something like that. Basically because Jon is now pretty much the only character left in the series without fault. I mean, you know he's got to be something important in the end, even if he's getting ignored now. Though that interpretation above makes me think... Jon + Dany get married or something? Who knows; I actually need to read the books now instead of spoilering myself off wiki plots and internet articles. Edit: Huh, and the first comment at the end of that article came to the same conclusion I did... Yeah even if it's quite pointless to theorize on the end of the books, I also think Jon and Daenerys will fight one against each other, until the others or any other bigger threat comes and force them to unite. Then Daenerys marry Jon (who is the prince that should come or whatever) and everybody is happy. At least that's how I see the end of the book. Daenerys have had some dream about her brother Rhaegar and how he talks about the third head of the dragon while looking at his two child, meaning Jon is the third. The problem is Martin is the guy that is known to shaken your own certitude. On the other side, he already killed almost everyone. On May 25 2011 00:35 Mattes wrote:
Its not only Ned (although you're right, he is the main character of book 1), but the viewers who haven't read the books will experience 4 "major" deaths in 4 consecutive episodes as it seems (ep6 - visery, ep7 - robert, ep8/9 - drogo/eddard).
Yeah, probably the first time for many viewers that a show kills of a huge percentage of (at that point) important characters.
Will be interesting to see. The main problem will not be in Season 1 I think because, even if Ned / Varys / Drogo /Robert are all great characters, they don't die letting nothing behind them: Ned has a son, Varys and Drogo's story line / legacy will still be there through Daenerys and Robert will be there through Stannis / Renly / Joffrey. My main concern is about S2, when you have Robb dying, Catelyne changing name (meaning no more grown up Starks), Renly dying (like a shit). Those characters will let nothing behind them, nobody will get revenge for them (at least not now after 4 books) and nobody will take their legacy / name through the rest of the saga. Robb and Catelyn dies in book 3. And their deaths are just as important for driving the story forward as Neds was. The main theme of the books is not the conflict between the Starks and the Lannisters, it is just a backdrop for the first three books. And it seems to me like you try to fit the story into some kind of formula where a character was useless unless they leave an heir behind or they get revenged. That is not true. Each of them contributed in their way to the state of the world as it is now. And just as importantly, they each contributed to tell a good story. But they had to go to allow the story to progress. And in my opinion, all the interesting characters are still alive anyway. The Stark kids are going to take more active roles now. That is why Martin originally wanted a 5 year gap between book 3 and 4, and why he suggested to age them up for the tv show. Sorry in my country the books are separated and Robb dies in the sixth or something. No it's not a formula, it's easier for the viewer if you like a character his / her death will leave a hole. You will want revenge for him or something, but that's just not how Martin write, so I just don't know how it will go on TV. The Stark kids have no activ roles, rickon is AFK and will not come again and Bran is behond the wall. Sansa changed her name and Arya too (and blind lol). There are no Stark or anyone to represent the Stark in the Game of Throne at the moment (by game of throne I mean all the shit around the iron throne). Even winterfell is destroyed. Yeah Martin wanted a gap, but it will not happen no ? I'm not really clear about that. I said they will take more active roles. As in the future books. The characters don't have to stay in the same place. We don't know if Arya is permanently blind, and their name changes was out of convenience, not necessarily forever. We don't know if the bulk of the story is going to focus around Kings Landing for a while either. I sort of felt like the situation there was resolved in AffC, and will not change much for a while. A Game of Thrones was the name of the first book. This is the Song of Ice and Fire. I agree with you, but it seems so far away even now. Rickon have no appearance in ADWD i think (at least not as a PoV) and Bran is beyond the wall and, with the leak Martin gave at the moment, + Show Spoiler [Spoiler for ADWD] +he has not yet see the three eyed crow. What I mean is, there is a huge hole in the story in my point of view. But, as some said the first time, since AFFC and ADWD were supposed to be the same book, maybe they will change the TV so that S4 & 5 will stay in one peace. ADWD is mostly focused on Jon and Daenerys, actually. So the Stark kids will begin to take on more active roles, but yes, it is still some time in the future before they are major players. And the three eyed crow is a metaphor for magical abilities. It is not an actual creature. The leak could also happen pretty early in the book. Edit: Arya is made blind in the last sentence of her last chapter in AffC. You're sure about that ? Well, no. But did you really think there is a three eyed crow? It feels very obvious to me that it is a metaphor, especially considering the conversations with Jojen Reed in book 2 where he is trying to make Bran figure out what the three eyed crow means, and the final conclusion is that it is about greensight/magical abilities. Of course it's a metaphore, the crow seems to be the type of animal that the wizard use (cold hand use them for exemple). The three eyed crow still exist, even if he is not a crow with three eyes.
How do you know?
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Jon with Arya? Um ew. She's like 11 guys.
And I really want Dorne to play a bigger role. Oberyn pretty much became my favorite character as soon as he was introduced (and then of course he was dead 3 chapters or so later) but the rest of the Martells seem really interesting.
Btw, was it ever revealed who Doran had planned to marry Arianne off too? He told her the man was now dead, but I don't think he told her exactly who it was?
I thought it might have been Joffrey
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From ASOS:
"she (Dany) found herself wondering how it would be to have a man squeezed in beside her in place of her handmaid, and the thought was more exciting than it should have been. Sometimes she would close her eyes and dream of him, but it was never Jorah Mormont she dreamed of, her lover was always younger and more comely, though his face remained a shifting shadow."
Obviously it's not Drogo, since she would've recognized him. And wasn't the whole ordeal with her never having a child again spoken by a maegi about to be put to the torch?
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On May 25 2011 08:05 1Eris1 wrote:
Jon with Arya? Um ew. She's like 11 guys.
And I really want Dorne to play a bigger role. Oberyn pretty much became my favorite character as soon as he was introduced (and then of course he was dead 3 chapters or so later) but the rest of the Martells seem really interesting.
Btw, was it ever revealed who Doran had planned to marry Arianne off too? He told her the man was now dead, but I don't think he told her exactly who it was?
I thought it might have been Joffrey
I might've misread it but I think it was suppose to be Vyseris (that's spelled wrong, I mean Dani's brother), sadly he got crowned 
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On May 25 2011 08:23 Jutranjo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2011 08:05 1Eris1 wrote:
Jon with Arya? Um ew. She's like 11 guys.
And I really want Dorne to play a bigger role. Oberyn pretty much became my favorite character as soon as he was introduced (and then of course he was dead 3 chapters or so later) but the rest of the Martells seem really interesting.
Btw, was it ever revealed who Doran had planned to marry Arianne off too? He told her the man was now dead, but I don't think he told her exactly who it was?
I thought it might have been Joffrey I might've misread it but I think it was suppose to be Vyseris (that's spelled wrong, I mean Dani's brother), sadly he got crowned
Yes, it was most likely Viserys. I think Dorne will end up allying with Daenerys soon.
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After hearing about the Lyanna + Rhaegar thing in this thread and thinking it was insane, I skimmed the Ned chapters a bit. Then I spent way more time than anyone should reading other fan forums. Now I am of the opinion that it simply has to be true. It adds such a sad backdrop to Robert's entire rebellion that fits so wonderfully with the story, and I can't see it any other way now.
Thank you thread, you made the series much better for me  .
I really need to reread the books after ADWD is released. The first time through I was always overwhelmed by the barrage of characters and backstories, so I couldn't really appreciate the main arc. Now it's finally starting to come together and it's great.
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On May 25 2011 08:05 1Eris1 wrote:
Btw, was it ever revealed who Doran had planned to marry Arianne off too? He told her the man was now dead, but I don't think he told her exactly who it was?
I thought it might have been Joffrey
Viserys is my assumption. Considering he sent men across the sea and Elia was wed to Rhaegar.
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On May 25 2011 07:35 Maginor wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2011 07:16 WhiteDog wrote:On May 25 2011 03:33 Maginor wrote:On May 25 2011 03:23 WhiteDog wrote:On May 25 2011 03:21 Maginor wrote:On May 25 2011 03:13 WhiteDog wrote:On May 25 2011 02:44 Maginor wrote:On May 25 2011 02:40 WhiteDog wrote:On May 25 2011 02:30 Maginor wrote:On May 25 2011 02:15 WhiteDog wrote:
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Yeah even if it's quite pointless to theorize on the end of the books, I also think Jon and Daenerys will fight one against each other, until the others or any other bigger threat comes and force them to unite.
Then Daenerys marry Jon (who is the prince that should come or whatever) and everybody is happy.
At least that's how I see the end of the book.
Daenerys have had some dream about her brother Rhaegar and how he talks about the third head of the dragon while looking at his two child, meaning Jon is the third.
The problem is Martin is the guy that is known to shaken your own certitude. On the other side, he already killed almost everyone.
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The main problem will not be in Season 1 I think because, even if Ned / Varys / Drogo /Robert are all great characters, they don't die letting nothing behind them: Ned has a son, Varys and Drogo's story line / legacy will still be there through Daenerys and Robert will be there through Stannis / Renly / Joffrey.
My main concern is about S2, when you have Robb dying, Catelyne changing name (meaning no more grown up Starks), Renly dying (like a shit). Those characters will let nothing behind them, nobody will get revenge for them (at least not now after 4 books) and nobody will take their legacy / name through the rest of the saga. Robb and Catelyn dies in book 3. And their deaths are just as important for driving the story forward as Neds was. The main theme of the books is not the conflict between the Starks and the Lannisters, it is just a backdrop for the first three books. And it seems to me like you try to fit the story into some kind of formula where a character was useless unless they leave an heir behind or they get revenged. That is not true. Each of them contributed in their way to the state of the world as it is now. And just as importantly, they each contributed to tell a good story. But they had to go to allow the story to progress. And in my opinion, all the interesting characters are still alive anyway. The Stark kids are going to take more active roles now. That is why Martin originally wanted a 5 year gap between book 3 and 4, and why he suggested to age them up for the tv show. Sorry in my country the books are separated and Robb dies in the sixth or something. No it's not a formula, it's easier for the viewer if you like a character his / her death will leave a hole. You will want revenge for him or something, but that's just not how Martin write, so I just don't know how it will go on TV. The Stark kids have no activ roles, rickon is AFK and will not come again and Bran is behond the wall. Sansa changed her name and Arya too (and blind lol). There are no Stark or anyone to represent the Stark in the Game of Throne at the moment (by game of throne I mean all the shit around the iron throne). Even winterfell is destroyed. Yeah Martin wanted a gap, but it will not happen no ? I'm not really clear about that. I said they will take more active roles. As in the future books. The characters don't have to stay in the same place. We don't know if Arya is permanently blind, and their name changes was out of convenience, not necessarily forever. We don't know if the bulk of the story is going to focus around Kings Landing for a while either. I sort of felt like the situation there was resolved in AffC, and will not change much for a while. A Game of Thrones was the name of the first book. This is the Song of Ice and Fire. I agree with you, but it seems so far away even now. Rickon have no appearance in ADWD i think (at least not as a PoV) and Bran is beyond the wall and, with the leak Martin gave at the moment, + Show Spoiler [Spoiler for ADWD] +he has not yet see the three eyed crow. What I mean is, there is a huge hole in the story in my point of view. But, as some said the first time, since AFFC and ADWD were supposed to be the same book, maybe they will change the TV so that S4 & 5 will stay in one peace. ADWD is mostly focused on Jon and Daenerys, actually. So the Stark kids will begin to take on more active roles, but yes, it is still some time in the future before they are major players. And the three eyed crow is a metaphor for magical abilities. It is not an actual creature. The leak could also happen pretty early in the book. Edit: Arya is made blind in the last sentence of her last chapter in AffC. You're sure about that ? Well, no. But did you really think there is a three eyed crow? It feels very obvious to me that it is a metaphor, especially considering the conversations with Jojen Reed in book 2 where he is trying to make Bran figure out what the three eyed crow means, and the final conclusion is that it is about greensight/magical abilities. Of course it's a metaphore, the crow seems to be the type of animal that the wizard use (cold hand use them for exemple). The three eyed crow still exist, even if he is not a crow with three eyes. How do you know?
Whatever the three eyed crow is, it has a will (he/it want to open Bran's 3rd eye) and a location (meaning it's a physical entity).
Will + physical = being.
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Tyrion is gonna become the hand of Daenerys Targaryen, no doubt. He is a smart fella, he hates his family at this point, even Jaime who never warned him his first wife wasn't a whore. How can he get reveange? Join in on the invasion party. How can he get in contact with Daenerys? Well he is a guest at Ilyrio who is a close ally to house Targaryn.
Daenerys will spend some time building up the city she currently rules in order to practice for ruling. She has to remain still for the story because there are several characters travelling towards her (like the ironborn fella that lost the kingsmoot but i forgot the name). Some stuff will happen there ofcourse and i think the book will end with her invasion beginning.
Big question is how stuff is gonna work out for king's landing. Can't really make a call on that. Currently it seems that religion might become a bit more important since the faith of the seven is now allowed to field armies and is clearly extending it's power by even having the gall to arrest the queen and princess. Mace Tyrell however isn't gonna let his daughter rot in a dungeon so ofcourse he's marching on king's landing with his army. Problem is ofcourse, we never know how those things work out. I was sure Stannis was going to win the battle for king's landing.
The north is a bit of tricky matter. I don't think the Boltons are really important enough characters to be holding that part of the world, the only big contender for the spot is Sansa Stark with the help of Littlefinger. But i also think that the Daenerys invasion will begin by the end so Sansa fighting for her land would have to happen in this book.
The wall is probably gonna be boring as hell. Maybe the walkers will finally arive. They can't arive later because once Daenerys arives with her dragons they really aren't all that scary anymore. Ooh no, monsters who only have 1 weakness, massive flying reptiles that breath fire onto them. If only we had 3 of those. Jon will probably end up marrying Daenerys since he's a Targaryn but that's final book stuff. Maybe he will leave the nightswatch when they have defeated the walkers and the watch doesn't really serve a purpose anymore.
Stannis is gonna be fighting the Boltons for control of the north because afterall, he needs to have a place to fight from. Maybe forcing some wildlings to bolster his numbers.
Finally we got Arya but i think there will be nothing good in her future. She is possibly blind but i doubt that will stay. It's kind of hard to write for a blind character afterall. I think the book just ends with her suffering a bit of a punishment but nothing permanent.
The eventuall direction for her character will be like all characters, towards the seven kingdoms. When Arya returns she will be a faceless man (woman?) and she will be getting her vengeance. We allready noticed how she is making lists and let's be fair, her entire life has been ruined by dozens of people and vengeance has become more or less all she has left.
My guess is that Arya will eventually become consumed by her vengeance and start working down her list, regardless of what side they are on (pro-danny or anti-danny).
The big showdown (as i see it) will be the seven kingdoms (not all of them), lead by the lannisters, against Danny. Danny will at one point decide to save the nightswatch from the walkers and thus meet Jon Snow, her nephew. Jon will join Danny's side one way or the other and fight for her. Arya is probably gonna get her vengeance on and that might conflict with Danny's side, creating a dramatic climax to Arya and Jon where they end up pitted against each other.
Then again, i always have to remind myself the books are written by GRRM and he never stops to throw you for a loop.
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On May 25 2011 23:41 karazax wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2011 08:05 1Eris1 wrote:
Btw, was it ever revealed who Doran had planned to marry Arianne off too? He told her the man was now dead, but I don't think he told her exactly who it was?
I thought it might have been Joffrey Viserys is my assumption. Considering he sent men across the sea and Elia was wed to Rhaegar.
Definitely Viserys.
Arrianne: "Who is it? Who have I been betrothed to, all these years?"
Doran: "It makes no matter. He's dead."
Arriane: "The old ones are so frail. Was it a broken hip, a chill, the gout?"
Doran: "It was a pot of molten gold. We princes make our careful plans and the gods smash them away."
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I just hope that illyrio sends Tyrion to Danaerys. Would be so awesome to see my two favorite characters together
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On May 26 2011 01:21 Sentient wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2011 23:41 karazax wrote:On May 25 2011 08:05 1Eris1 wrote:
Btw, was it ever revealed who Doran had planned to marry Arianne off too? He told her the man was now dead, but I don't think he told her exactly who it was?
I thought it might have been Joffrey Viserys is my assumption. Considering he sent men across the sea and Elia was wed to Rhaegar. Definitely Viserys. Arrianne: "Who is it? Who have I been betrothed to, all these years?" Doran: "It makes no matter. He's dead." Arriane: "The old ones are so frail. Was it a broken hip, a chill, the gout?" Doran: "It was a pot of molten gold. We princes make our careful plans and the gods smash them away."
And now Prince Doran is planning for his son Trystane to wed Daenerys, as he has no options left for that union. Euron also wants to take her as his wife, that's why he sent Victarion...I guess the 5th book will be full of Dany's bedroom stories
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