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Fen
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Australia1848 Posts
August 01 2010 16:58 GMT
#621
The vestibular system requires weight to work. The system basically works by determining the pull of little rock-like masses (otoconia) in your ear that are attached to hair cells. They are pulled towards the ground by gravity on earth, or respond to forces such as acceleration in a linear direction. If someone is weightless, the otoconia are not going to be pulled towards the ground, the same way your hair isnt going to fall down on your shoulders if you are in space. As such, this system is rendered useless when you are weightless.

The 3rd world will not experience any movement due to the lack of any imput from the vestibular system.

Gravity however is constant in all levels. Its just that the events in the first level result in a creation of weightlessness in the second.
Nal_rAwr
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2611 Posts
August 01 2010 19:59 GMT
#622
sorry what exactly did shauni find was a "flaw" in the plot?
i would read the thread but dozens of pages in a thread like this can be troublesome
Nony is Bonjwa
NeVeR
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
1352 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-01 23:20:18
August 01 2010 20:46 GMT
#623
I don't watch many movies anymore since most of them are bad nowadays. As such, I went into the theater not expecting much and came out blown away. Epic film. On the same level as The Matrix in my opinion. Only thing that bothered me is that everything that occurred during a large portion of the film towards the end must have all happened in probably less than one second in reality, which seems rather implausible. Still a really cool film though.
RaiKageRyu
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada4773 Posts
August 02 2010 06:18 GMT
#624
My theory is that Saito tricked Cobb into Limbo with him. He may have planned to get shot all along. Saito was double-crossing Cobb all along.

In the scene, where old Saito picks up the gun, you never see him fire. You are instantly shown to a scene where Cobb wakes up, which tries to imply at first thought and glance that Cobb was shot and woken up. But how about you think about the alternative? That Saito shoots himself first, hence world collapses and Cobb is trapped alone in limbo.

At this point, two possible outcomes can occur : The collapse of the world shocks Cobb into creating his own happy ending or Saito himself planted his own inception into combs mind having reached the root of consciousness, limbo. The latter is more likely because Saito has shown that he has greater knowledge of the art of extraction than other people of his like would know. This may be the true reason why he chose to tag along personally.

The main reason that lead me to believe Saito was behind the whole ending, was the crucial scene where having woken from heavy sedation, Cobb was furiously washing his face and spinning his totem to perform a reality check. Then Saito walks in to the bathroom unexpectedly, and Cobb's totem, the metal top ,drops off the sink and and is in plain sight of Saito's view. Cobb hurriedly picks up and puts it back into his pocket.

From a normal person's point of view, the top may not have meant much, probably would only result in either confusion or curiosity of such a trinket. However, Saito seems quite knowledgeable of how extractors work and probably recognized the top for what it was to Cobb. Remember, a person's totem is extremely important and should be kept only to one's self. This is because the totem acts like an anchor to reality as the totem's properties are known only to that particular person. Hence, no one else can accurately define/manipulate how that object reacts in the dream. So, if the properties of the totem is displaying seems off, then that person knows that they are still inside a dream.

With knowledge of Cobb's totem in hand, Saito can simply implant a false totem to mask the fact that Cobb is in a dream. I believe this is what happened, as I believe that was the whole purpose of that scene where Saito barges in on Cobb in the bathroom.

What does that entail for Cobb and the team then in real life, one may wonder? If one were to recall, Saito had the entire section of that plane under his control, if not of the whole plane itself. I would conclude that the whole team were to be imprisoned or killed. (Except for Fischer of course).

That final scene in the movie, may have been the final moments of Cobb's life or could have continued to completion of his dream lifetime through a coma state in the real world.
Someone call down the Thunder?
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
August 02 2010 07:00 GMT
#625
You are wayyyyyyyy overthinking this. I mean, what would be his motive for one thing to betray Cobb?
Jaedong
RaiKageRyu
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada4773 Posts
August 02 2010 08:21 GMT
#626
On August 02 2010 16:00 Avidkeystamper wrote:
You are wayyyyyyyy overthinking this. I mean, what would be his motive for one thing to betray Cobb?


It's not like he was friends with Cobb or any of them.

Well I find it plausible, that Saito may have been bluffing when he said he had enough power to waive the USA's custom wanted list database. Also, it might be payback, for when Cobb tried to steal his secrets.

You can never fully trust a businessman like Saito completely.
Someone call down the Thunder?
HeadhunteR
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Argentina1258 Posts
August 03 2010 03:30 GMT
#627
I didnt see the first minute of the movie but my brother said it began in the beach.. so then..
to my brother it was like this he summed it up: Cobb did an inception to himself so he could forget about Mal..
in The Kong line forever
gonzomd
Profile Joined May 2009
United States65 Posts
August 03 2010 03:37 GMT
#628
Has anyone ever play Starcraft 2 to the soundtrack of Inception? It is absolutely incredible how well the feel and energy of the music complement the game. I just threw it on while playing one day and it blew my mind. Friends of mine have even commented on how improved the Starcraft 2 music is, only to be shocked that the game and the music were not made for each other even though that's exactly how it feels.
sLiniss
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States849 Posts
August 03 2010 15:21 GMT
#629
I just watched it for the second time today. I've concluded that he's in reality. I am not gonna read another theory that it is otherwise. HOW IGNORANT OF ME!
McBuNs
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada27 Posts
August 03 2010 15:29 GMT
#630
ya the movie was amazing i have watched it 3 times in theatre... which I will admit was a lil too much. I don't know who said this was a small movie though cause at 200 million dollars for the budget and 100 million in advertisements this movie was pricey!

Not a wasted penny though lol
word
phil.ipp
Profile Joined May 2010
Austria1067 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-03 21:16:55
August 03 2010 21:05 GMT
#631
On August 02 2010 17:21 RaiKageRyu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2010 16:00 Avidkeystamper wrote:
You are wayyyyyyyy overthinking this. I mean, what would be his motive for one thing to betray Cobb?


It's not like he was friends with Cobb or any of them.

Well I find it plausible, that Saito may have been bluffing when he said he had enough power to waive the USA's custom wanted list database. Also, it might be payback, for when Cobb tried to steal his secrets.

You can never fully trust a businessman like Saito completely.


i have to say, well thought out, im impressed.
but your whole argument is based on that scene in the toilette with the totem.
i can give you a better reason why it was in there.

at the start of the film you see the old saito with cobb and saito said (looking at the totem) : i have seen something like this once in my lifetime .... ( or something like that)

The scene in the toilette serves the only purpose to give the audiance a little hint in the middle of the film, that the old man maybe is saito.
Things like that are used in many movies, it gives the audiance a feeling of understanding of slowly putting together a puzzle.

edit: and you are forgetting, saito cant be mad because cobb tried to steal his secrets. Why? Saito wanted to find the best man for the job so he staged the whole stealing-secrets thing .. cause he wanted the best for his true plan, to manipulate fisher.

Edit2: personally, i found the first hour terrible, the second hour saved it. loved the end. but overall nothing i would watch twice.

People get so excited with this movie .. like with the last batman movie.. but who talks about it now? its only a movie in a long line of other movies.

a movie that stays is a movie that touches your emotions. And Inception is definitly not one of that kind.
.AbsoluTe
Profile Joined July 2010
United States45 Posts
August 04 2010 09:12 GMT
#632
On August 04 2010 06:05 phil.ipp wrote:
People get so excited with this movie .. like with the last batman movie.. but who talks about it now? its only a movie in a long line of other movies.

a movie that stays is a movie that touches your emotions. And Inception is definitly not one of that kind.


I agree with you, but after watching it in theaters, I have downloaded it and watched it at least 5-10 more times since then. I haven't done that with a movie since The Hangover.
www.twitch.tv/iabsolute88 - twitter.com/imabsolute
phil.ipp
Profile Joined May 2010
Austria1067 Posts
August 04 2010 12:53 GMT
#633
seriously you watched a movie 10 times?
no movie ever could get me to watch it ten times ..
Jerebread
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada115 Posts
August 04 2010 13:21 GMT
#634
On August 02 2010 15:18 RaiKageRyu wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
My theory is that Saito tricked Cobb into Limbo with him. He may have planned to get shot all along. Saito was double-crossing Cobb all along.

In the scene, where old Saito picks up the gun, you never see him fire. You are instantly shown to a scene where Cobb wakes up, which tries to imply at first thought and glance that Cobb was shot and woken up. But how about you think about the alternative? That Saito shoots himself first, hence world collapses and Cobb is trapped alone in limbo.

At this point, two possible outcomes can occur : The collapse of the world shocks Cobb into creating his own happy ending or Saito himself planted his own inception into combs mind having reached the root of consciousness, limbo. The latter is more likely because Saito has shown that he has greater knowledge of the art of extraction than other people of his like would know. This may be the true reason why he chose to tag along personally.

The main reason that lead me to believe Saito was behind the whole ending, was the crucial scene where having woken from heavy sedation, Cobb was furiously washing his face and spinning his totem to perform a reality check. Then Saito walks in to the bathroom unexpectedly, and Cobb's totem, the metal top ,drops off the sink and and is in plain sight of Saito's view. Cobb hurriedly picks up and puts it back into his pocket.

From a normal person's point of view, the top may not have meant much, probably would only result in either confusion or curiosity of such a trinket. However, Saito seems quite knowledgeable of how extractors work and probably recognized the top for what it was to Cobb. Remember, a person's totem is extremely important and should be kept only to one's self. This is because the totem acts like an anchor to reality as the totem's properties are known only to that particular person. Hence, no one else can accurately define/manipulate how that object reacts in the dream. So, if the properties of the totem is displaying seems off, then that person knows that they are still inside a dream.

With knowledge of Cobb's totem in hand, Saito can simply implant a false totem to mask the fact that Cobb is in a dream. I believe this is what happened, as I believe that was the whole purpose of that scene where Saito barges in on Cobb in the bathroom.

What does that entail for Cobb and the team then in real life, one may wonder? If one were to recall, Saito had the entire section of that plane under his control, if not of the whole plane itself. I would conclude that the whole team were to be imprisoned or killed. (Except for Fischer of course).

That final scene in the movie, may have been the final moments of Cobb's life or could have continued to completion of his dream lifetime through a coma state in the real world.


Flawed, limbo doesn't belong to anyone, it's a shared state.
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Arokh
Profile Joined May 2010
Switzerland23 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-04 14:42:16
August 04 2010 14:41 GMT
#635
hey guys, this is classic, super long discussions about a Nolan movie all over the web =)

I watched Inception last friday. It stuck with me all the time, like other Nolan movies (The Prestige, Memento, ...). I really expected Nolan to leave the ending open and to make Inception viable for different interpretations. And that's exactly what he did...

Maybe you guys want to read following articel. After reading it, I could lay my inner battles to "explain" Inception aside.

http://www.chud.com/articles/articles/24477/1/NEVER-WAKE-UP-THE-MEANING-AND-SECRET-OF-INCEPTION/Page1.html
"If you only "think" this, then be quiet, because you don't know. Making up hypothetical situations is not acceptable, and is a leading cause of stupid in the world." -Manifesto7
s4rk
Profile Joined December 2003
Philippines137 Posts
August 04 2010 15:40 GMT
#636
The movie is Nolan's dream and whatever interpretation a person has about the ending is just the result of that person "filling in" the details to Nolan's dream in order to somehow make that dream his own. The meaning of the ending would definitely vary as to how each person fills in the details.
o rly
Selemender
Profile Joined May 2010
Netherlands54 Posts
August 04 2010 16:09 GMT
#637
On August 04 2010 23:41 Arokh wrote:
hey guys, this is classic, super long discussions about a Nolan movie all over the web =)

I watched Inception last friday. It stuck with me all the time, like other Nolan movies (The Prestige, Memento, ...). I really expected Nolan to leave the ending open and to make Inception viable for different interpretations. And that's exactly what he did...

Maybe you guys want to read following articel. After reading it, I could lay my inner battles to "explain" Inception aside.

http://www.chud.com/articles/articles/24477/1/NEVER-WAKE-UP-THE-MEANING-AND-SECRET-OF-INCEPTION/Page1.html


This is pretty cool article, after the movie was over I was confused by alot of things but starting to make more sence now
The Storyteller
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
Singapore2486 Posts
August 05 2010 03:38 GMT
#638
On August 02 2010 15:18 RaiKageRyu wrote:
The main reason that lead me to believe Saito was behind the whole ending, was the crucial scene where having woken from heavy sedation, Cobb was furiously washing his face and spinning his totem to perform a reality check. Then Saito walks in to the bathroom unexpectedly, and Cobb's totem, the metal top ,drops off the sink and and is in plain sight of Saito's view. Cobb hurriedly picks up and puts it back into his pocket.

From a normal person's point of view, the top may not have meant much, probably would only result in either confusion or curiosity of such a trinket. However, Saito seems quite knowledgeable of how extractors work and probably recognized the top for what it was to Cobb.


But seeing a totem is not enough. It's implied that letting someone see a totem is fine, it's only touching it that is the problem. Arthur's loaded die and Ariadne's chess piece are waved around.
StarMasterX
Profile Joined February 2010
United States113 Posts
August 05 2010 05:21 GMT
#639
It was alright. IMO it wasn't the mindblower that people on this forum are making it out to be though. It wasn't Matrix level, but I will say it was a decent movie.
Gomas
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Poland312 Posts
August 06 2010 13:28 GMT
#640
It only messes with your mind if u actually have a dream about it. And I had one tday -.-

It obviously had to end with me feeling a sensation of falling, and then waking up, just to fuck with me even more ;(
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