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On September 27 2013 01:42 TheOneWhoKnocks wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 01:34 Conti wrote:On September 27 2013 01:18 TheOneWhoKnocks wrote:On September 27 2013 00:45 Conti wrote:On September 27 2013 00:43 AmorVincitOmnia wrote:On September 27 2013 00:28 Conti wrote:On September 27 2013 00:23 sc4k wrote:On September 26 2013 20:21 Conti wrote:
I kind of miss the good old days when they were actually trying to make a point with their episode, instead of parodying every aspect of some current issue. But it was still a pretty funny episode. Couldn't stop laughing at that last minute. Huh? In the actual good old days in SP they were just a comedy show, they made barely any points. They were just funny as fuck. Like weight fain 4000 or chickenlover...they're just funny. Of course it's up for discussion when exactly the "good old days" were, but surely you know about those seasons that had a moral-of-the-story kind of ending in pretty much every episode? Or episodes like the Butters special, the Scientology episode, the Mormon episode.. there's so many examples of them making a very specific point about a particular topic in an episode, I really don't see how you could have missed that. No offense but if you can't see the moral of this episode then that's on you. I'll bite. What's the moral of this episode? I wouldn't call them morals, just points they were making. One point was simply to lampoon the sort of people who put everything in their lives on the internet and then demand privacy. One is that 99.999% of the stuff on the internet the NSA has no interest in at all. Another is that government has become the modern religion. Instead of looking to God to solve every problem we face, we look to government. Instead of relying on an all seeing God to make us feel safe and secure, we rely on all seeing government agencies like the NSA. Yet another point is that anywhere you have this sort of power and public dependence on an institution it will inevitably abuse that power and trust; the priest molestation scandal was just the vehicle for this point. Matt and Trey are really brilliant writers, and most of their episodes have incredible depth and a dozen different points buried within them, some obvious and some not so obvious. Unfortunately most people don't comprehend half of them, especially when considering they are the only libertarian writers in hollywood and most of their audience are the statists they are critiquing. Scroll a few posts up, I summarized pretty much exactly the same points a few posts ago. And my point was that Matt and Trey are now simply parodying everyone/everything involved in an issue, instead of making a singular point that they feel is most important about an issue. Maybe I just didn't get that across as well as I hoped. The fact that they had multiple points instead of a singular point is a good thing in my mind. But at this point I think you just enjoy nitpicking and criticizing shows or their fans for some reason. Do you want to be a critic or something?
Not really. But I was told I didn't get the moral of this episode, and I couldn't let that one stand. 
Seriously, there's nothing wrong with liking it that way. I personally don't, but I'm not going to criticize you for that.
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not gonna lie it was a shitty episode, they tried too hard to make a recent event funny and it wasn't. All they wanted to say about the NSA was told in under a minute and after that it was a drag, felt like they were trying to fill at least 7 to 10 minutes.
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On September 27 2013 01:57 idonthinksobro wrote:
not gonna lie it was a shitty episode, they tried too hard to make a recent event funny and it wasn't. All they wanted to say about the NSA was told in under a minute and after that it was a drag, felt like they were trying to fill at least 7 to 10 minutes.
I agree.. They're continuing the same trend of the last few seasons. I wish they went all-out crazy again like in season 7-8-9.. Those had some really classic episodes.
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I just wanted to add that the whole NSA theme was simply calling for Randy ''What's the officer, problem?'' Marsh to have one of the main roles, but he didn't appear at all. Really sad
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I was pretty entertained by this episode, the Santa reveal was a decent moment. Not bad, yet not great an episode either in my opinion.
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On September 27 2013 02:03 edlover420 wrote:
I just wanted to add that the whole NSA theme was simply calling for Randy ''What's the officer, problem?'' Marsh to have one of the main roles, but he didn't appear at all. Really sad
"You mean - What's the problerm, Officer"  and "I thought it was 'murica.."
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On September 27 2013 02:02 maartendq wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 01:57 idonthinksobro wrote:
not gonna lie it was a shitty episode, they tried too hard to make a recent event funny and it wasn't. All they wanted to say about the NSA was told in under a minute and after that it was a drag, felt like they were trying to fill at least 7 to 10 minutes. I agree.. They're continuing the same trend of the last few seasons. I wish they went all-out crazy again like in season 7-8-9.. Those had some really classic episodes.
disagreed. Some of the recent episodes were just fucking lolfest all the way.. But there were alot of medicore and bad ones too, I won't lie.. My favourite season is either 7th or 10th
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United Kingdom10014 Posts
IMHO Season 14 deserves a mention just for Stan in Medicinal Fried Chicken.
The best episodes for me are the ones that don't make a point at all, the ones that are just plain ridiculous.
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Scause for Applause and Butterballs from last season were brilliant imo.
I feel like part of the problem was that they are doing an episode about something that has been stewing for a few months and everyone has an opinion about it (at least I hope you do). That means they can't possibly hit every possible angle or even sum it up, because IMO they gave us pretty cheap description of the whole problem.
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show used to be so clever making subtle jokes, now its so blatant, calling twitter shitter and such..
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On September 26 2013 21:39 Conti wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2013 21:14 Mikau wrote:On September 26 2013 20:21 Conti wrote:
I kind of miss the good old days when they were actually trying to make a point with their episode, instead of parodying every aspect of some current issue. But it was still a pretty funny episode. Couldn't stop laughing at that last minute. You mean this didn't have a point? The point wasn't "people should stop complaing about being spied on by the NSA and about how they have no privacy anymore while also putting pretty much every thought they have on the internet through social media (not to mention the public phone call bit)"? I really don't know how you could've missed that  Not to mention the notion of how ridiculous it is that the NSA is keeping track of everybody's email, twitter, etc. Not really. Sure, they made fun of people who complain about the NSA while simultaneously publishing their entire private life online for all to see anyhow. But they also made fun of people blindly trusting the government so much that they might as well start praying to it. And they made fun of the people not caring about what the NSA is doing, even though it's obviously horrific (poor, poor Santa). And they made fun of people believing that the NSA is literally reading all their private mails. And they made fun of Snowden for not having as much of an impact as he'd like. That's what I mean. They simply make fun of everything, but there's no real point to any of it. They pick an easy-to-make-fun-of group from every corner and parody that, and that's about it. South Park used to be a vehicle for Matt and Trey to voice their opinions on current matters, and they used to be pretty smart, reasonable opinions, and I really liked that (even if I didn't always agree). Now they're just ridiculing everyone. That's still funny, but it sadly doesn't go beyond being funny.
I'm not sure why you don't think this is their opinion on it. It's criticizing narcissists, paranoid narcissists and blind followers. All those groups deserve to be made fun of. There's a middle road between the two sides, that didn't get made fun of.
My guess is more likely than anything else, they just liked the bit of the government being God/the cloud being Heaven and decided to run with it. If you've seen how they work, you know it's not some grand strategic process. The episode type has always changed week-to-week, even in the best seasons.
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This week's episode wasn't that great tbh. I felt the references were all too forced and direct.
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On September 29 2013 06:37 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2013 21:39 Conti wrote:On September 26 2013 21:14 Mikau wrote:On September 26 2013 20:21 Conti wrote:
I kind of miss the good old days when they were actually trying to make a point with their episode, instead of parodying every aspect of some current issue. But it was still a pretty funny episode. Couldn't stop laughing at that last minute. You mean this didn't have a point? The point wasn't "people should stop complaing about being spied on by the NSA and about how they have no privacy anymore while also putting pretty much every thought they have on the internet through social media (not to mention the public phone call bit)"? I really don't know how you could've missed that Not to mention the notion of how ridiculous it is that the NSA is keeping track of everybody's email, twitter, etc. Not really. Sure, they made fun of people who complain about the NSA while simultaneously publishing their entire private life online for all to see anyhow. But they also made fun of people blindly trusting the government so much that they might as well start praying to it. And they made fun of the people not caring about what the NSA is doing, even though it's obviously horrific (poor, poor Santa). And they made fun of people believing that the NSA is literally reading all their private mails. And they made fun of Snowden for not having as much of an impact as he'd like. That's what I mean. They simply make fun of everything, but there's no real point to any of it. They pick an easy-to-make-fun-of group from every corner and parody that, and that's about it. South Park used to be a vehicle for Matt and Trey to voice their opinions on current matters, and they used to be pretty smart, reasonable opinions, and I really liked that (even if I didn't always agree). Now they're just ridiculing everyone. That's still funny, but it sadly doesn't go beyond being funny. I'm not sure why you don't think this is their opinion on it. It's criticizing narcissists, paranoid narcissists and blind followers. All those groups deserve to be made fun of. There's a middle road between the two sides, that didn't get made fun of. My guess is more likely than anything else, they just liked the bit of the government being God/the cloud being Heaven and decided to run with it. If you've seen how they work, you know it's not some grand strategic process. The episode type has always changed week-to-week, even in the best seasons.
I agree with the last part, though there were a lot more moral-of-the-story kind of endings some seasons ago. I read somewhere that Matt and Trey eventually got sick of doing that and stopped it altogether, for the most part. Which is still a pity, in my opinion.
And to me, criticizing all the easy to mock viewpoints in an issue just feels.. lazy. There's always viewpoints in all sides of a debate that are so dumb or extreme that you can easily mock them, and that's pretty much what they do these days in a lot of episodes. It's a lot harder to point out the not so obvious (or popular) problems an issue might have, or having the balls to take a stand on an issue one way or another. And that's what I'm missing.
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bad episode indeed , didnt entertain me as much as other episodes usually do
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On September 26 2013 21:39 Conti wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2013 21:14 Mikau wrote:On September 26 2013 20:21 Conti wrote:
I kind of miss the good old days when they were actually trying to make a point with their episode, instead of parodying every aspect of some current issue. But it was still a pretty funny episode. Couldn't stop laughing at that last minute. You mean this didn't have a point? The point wasn't "people should stop complaing about being spied on by the NSA and about how they have no privacy anymore while also putting pretty much every thought they have on the internet through social media (not to mention the public phone call bit)"? I really don't know how you could've missed that Not to mention the notion of how ridiculous it is that the NSA is keeping track of everybody's email, twitter, etc. Not really. Sure, they made fun of people who complain about the NSA while simultaneously publishing their entire private life online for all to see anyhow. But they also made fun of people blindly trusting the government so much that they might as well start praying to it. And they made fun of the people not caring about what the NSA is doing, even though it's obviously horrific (poor, poor Santa). And they made fun of people believing that the NSA is literally reading all their private mails. And they made fun of Snowden for not having as much of an impact as he'd like. That's what I mean. They simply make fun of everything, but there's no real point to any of it. They pick an easy-to-make-fun-of group from every corner and parody that, and that's about it. South Park used to be a vehicle for Matt and Trey to voice their opinions on current matters, and they used to be pretty smart, reasonable opinions, and I really liked that (even if I didn't always agree). Now they're just ridiculing everyone. That's still funny, but it sadly doesn't go beyond being funny.
Santa in a rape machine is nothing to be made fun of
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On September 29 2013 08:05 HeatEXTEND wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2013 21:39 Conti wrote:On September 26 2013 21:14 Mikau wrote:On September 26 2013 20:21 Conti wrote:
I kind of miss the good old days when they were actually trying to make a point with their episode, instead of parodying every aspect of some current issue. But it was still a pretty funny episode. Couldn't stop laughing at that last minute. You mean this didn't have a point? The point wasn't "people should stop complaing about being spied on by the NSA and about how they have no privacy anymore while also putting pretty much every thought they have on the internet through social media (not to mention the public phone call bit)"? I really don't know how you could've missed that Not to mention the notion of how ridiculous it is that the NSA is keeping track of everybody's email, twitter, etc. Not really. Sure, they made fun of people who complain about the NSA while simultaneously publishing their entire private life online for all to see anyhow. But they also made fun of people blindly trusting the government so much that they might as well start praying to it. And they made fun of the people not caring about what the NSA is doing, even though it's obviously horrific (poor, poor Santa). And they made fun of people believing that the NSA is literally reading all their private mails. And they made fun of Snowden for not having as much of an impact as he'd like. That's what I mean. They simply make fun of everything, but there's no real point to any of it. They pick an easy-to-make-fun-of group from every corner and parody that, and that's about it. South Park used to be a vehicle for Matt and Trey to voice their opinions on current matters, and they used to be pretty smart, reasonable opinions, and I really liked that (even if I didn't always agree). Now they're just ridiculing everyone. That's still funny, but it sadly doesn't go beyond being funny. Santa in a rape machine is nothing to be made fun of
Yes, that was just terrifying.
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On September 27 2013 00:28 Conti wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 00:23 sc4k wrote:On September 26 2013 20:21 Conti wrote:
I kind of miss the good old days when they were actually trying to make a point with their episode, instead of parodying every aspect of some current issue. But it was still a pretty funny episode. Couldn't stop laughing at that last minute. Huh? In the actual good old days in SP they were just a comedy show, they made barely any points. They were just funny as fuck. Like weight fain 4000 or chickenlover...they're just funny. Of course it's up for discussion when exactly the "good old days" were, but surely you know about those seasons that had a moral-of-the-story kind of ending in pretty much every episode? Or episodes like the Butters special, the Scientology episode, the Mormon episode.. there's so many examples of them making a very specific point about a particular topic in an episode, I really don't see how you could have missed that.
those are all new episodes lol
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On September 29 2013 08:07 HeatEXTEND wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 00:28 Conti wrote:On September 27 2013 00:23 sc4k wrote:On September 26 2013 20:21 Conti wrote:
I kind of miss the good old days when they were actually trying to make a point with their episode, instead of parodying every aspect of some current issue. But it was still a pretty funny episode. Couldn't stop laughing at that last minute. Huh? In the actual good old days in SP they were just a comedy show, they made barely any points. They were just funny as fuck. Like weight fain 4000 or chickenlover...they're just funny. Of course it's up for discussion when exactly the "good old days" were, but surely you know about those seasons that had a moral-of-the-story kind of ending in pretty much every episode? Or episodes like the Butters special, the Scientology episode, the Mormon episode.. there's so many examples of them making a very specific point about a particular topic in an episode, I really don't see how you could have missed that. those are all new episodes lol
Ahem. The episodes aired in 2001, 2005 and 2003, respectively. By what definition is that "new"?
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haha that was a really good episode. All the cable provider parts were very funny and they made fun of quite a lot of issues all at once, while also shitting on minecraft. Nothing I could complain about in this episode.
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