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Lol. Way to go, blame the consumers when your product isn't good. I don't see bulldog/PPD taking away that many viewers from main stream in other top tournaments (except when casters are bad). If the viewing platform is good, viewers will watch from there. I think the low viewing numbers even after bulldog stopped streaming speaks for itself. The issue is not about viewers not welcoming new platforms at all.
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You don't get to be shocked that your viewership is terrible when you pick a platform that's actually despised. I do think Twitch needs some competition, but there's a few sites that I will not watch stuff on under any circumstances. Facebook, Azubu, and MLG just flat out aren't happening.
Now personally I very much dislike ESL as an organization, but I thought they might have someone with some common sense somewhere in the company. You've gotta know if you go off twitch viewership is going to take a hit, no matter where you go you're going to lose some viewership, surely they made peace with that. But to go to a platform people actually hate? You have to know that's going to MASSIVELY cost you in viewership. That viewership hit is going to make all your other sponsors very upset. So you've just burned other sponsors with your shitty numbers because you chose a god awful platform. Is that worth the paycheck facebook is waving in your face? I'm having a hard time believing it is.
ESL is getting torched because they made a boneheaded move for some short term profits, I'll not be shedding a single tear over that.
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Is Facebook as a streaming service really that terrible for people? Despite the late start & apparently mic issues, I woke up today to catch the end of VP/VGT on the ESL website and it ran just fine for me. My only complaint would be that the stream is automuted by default for whatever reason. Seems like a lot of people are having issues with mobile too? - but to argue against that, Twitch's mobile app (on Android at least) is also pretty bad, stuttering/slow loading/ads for me in recent updates.
In terms of accessibility it's definitely on the bad side. I wouldn't have known where to see the official EN stream if not for the survival guide posted on reddit. Wonder if the in-game client viewing numbers had a significant boost compared to other tourneys.
The whole thing regarding ESL complaining about Bulldog or w/e is just bullocks; Valve specifically indicated anyone was free to broadcast within reason. Wonder how the ESL sponsors feel right now.
Anyway, hoping for PENTA to beat EG cause it'd be funny, Mineski to stay alive, and Liquid/Na'Vi to be decent games
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People hate Facebook on just principle alone. But apparently people were having lag and stutter issues, audio issues, and for a long time one of the two streams just didn't exist.
I use Twitch's mobile app on Android all the time and don't get any issues personally. But I have Twitch Prime so no ads, maybe that's what's screwing you up?
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on facebook itself it was pretty terrible for me but the embedded video from esl's website worked just fine.
i have no problem with the exclusivity thing. they need the money. i dont think sponsors alone can afford everything. its already hard to find sponsors for dota tournaments
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Exclusivity in and of itself I've got no problem with, you just have to be cognizant of who you're getting into bed with. Surely they could have come to some exclusivity agreement with youtube or something, is hitbox still a thing? lol. It's going to be even harder to find sponsors in the future when you have abysmal viewer numbers because the platform you decided to go exclusive with is hated. "Yeah, hey, our last tournament pulled 5k max viewers, want to sponsor us?" good luck with all that.
If they're hell bent on going exclusive with FB, A) know you're going to kill your numbers and B) maybe force FB to have the best experience possible? You've gotta put your best foot forward so you better be working together to wow people. You can't have streams plagued by issues and rookie mistakes on top of being on a platform that sucks.
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So even when i click the facebook link, all i get is the same repeat videos... is the stream not live?
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Papua New Guinea504 Posts
Pity Mineski when ice3 is not doing well.
At the same time i hope LFY not getting eliminated too. Aikzz...
Though Fnatic is SEA, but i hope they lose today, yeah~~~
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FB bias aside, for me the only thing good/better about the streaming platform is the pure viewing experience only aka video/audio which isn't a hard task considering twitch is still relatively backward on that department
but anything else still need a lot of work. no VOD, shitty chat, questionable mobile mode, etc
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On January 24 2018 09:38 Darpa wrote:
So even when i click the facebook link, all i get is the same repeat videos... is the stream not live?
Genting isn't on right now, the current ESL thing is the 2nd chance qualifier for Kaowice. I'm not sure where that's even being streamed.
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Hyped for VGJT vs COL
first time Rotk face off Swindles after Shanghai Major, hope they haven't forgot the beef between them
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On January 24 2018 10:05 uthgard wrote:
shitty chat
Well it’s not like anyone goes to twitch to see Buttcheese420 spamming emotes that get pushed out of view half a second later by everyone else spamming emotes in these big tournament streams.
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On January 24 2018 12:06 M.S.Bismarck wrote:Well it’s not like anyone goes to twitch to see Buttcheese420 spamming emotes that get pushed out of view half a second later by everyone else spamming emotes in these big tournament streams.
Its not me, but quite obviously a lot of people like to spam shitty emotes in twitch streams so they care about the chat. lol
I always full screen anyways myself, but I still ain't gonna watch it on facebook. If I want to put it on my tv, a twitch stream is by far easiest and if im gonna go upstairs and sit at my pc ill watch in client.
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Let's go Mineski!
My guesses for today:
EG 2- 0 Penta
Mineski 2 - 0 LFY
VGJ.Thunder 2 - 1 Complexity
Team Liquid 2 - 0 Na'Vi
Vici Gaming 2 - 1 Fnatic
TNC 2 - 0 Newbee
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streaming via FB right now. works perfect. dont get whats the fuss about.
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I think the way forward if valve wants the scene to be sustainable is
1. Bring back compendiums
2. Non valve events to charge tickets. Maybe a 2 price tier system, 1 including cosmetics/compendium and another just basic tickets for replays or watch in client
3. Valve to be less greedy and take a much smaller cut for compendium/tickets/cosmetics, so that these are reliable sources of revenue
4. Streamers not allowed to stream the competition until after it is over. That way if a viewer wanna watch, they either watch from authorised stream which organisers get ad revenue, or they have to buy tickets. Either way, organisers get revenue.
5. Depending on how strict they want to be, organisers may want to ban highlights or clips of the tournament until after a certain date. In this case, they better have in-house or hire someone to make these reels because many people rely on them.
I'm quite certain no tournament organiser is making much or any money. This leaves them very reliant on sponsors. Overall I don't think the scene is sustainable, but a solution is available if valve chooses to implement..
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Man the ESL Multi link is terrible. really wonky to use
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why the fuck is mushi going bfury on lifestealer
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how can a dp give up ult to a rubick 3 times in a game
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ESL DMCAing people casting on twitch. What a horrific organization lol
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There's gonna be some really spicy drama tomorrow, I'm sure.
What I'm learning here is that the people who absolutely despise facebook seem to largely be the people who watch Esports, ie 18-30 year olds.
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Yeah, I refuse to watch through Facebook. And these other casters are not doing the game justice, more interested in twitch chat. I'm just not going to watch. I'll see highlights another time if there are any worth it
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Am I the only one that is legitimately happy that Twitch is actually getting some competition? I'm not saying that Facebook is the end all be all (The few streams I've watched on FB has been acceptable) but getting some competition is nice. People always talk about YouTube needing competition. That is true, but Twitch needs it even more
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On January 24 2018 14:16 Nevuk wrote:
What I'm learning here is that the people who absolutely despise facebook seem to largely be the people who watch Esports, ie 18-30 year olds.
there's other factors like the stream not working for a significant amount of people or casuals who only check twitch
On January 24 2018 14:30 WindWolf wrote:
Am I the only one that is legitimately happy that Twitch is actually getting some competition? I'm not saying that Facebook is the end all be all (The few streams I've watched on FB has been acceptable) but getting some competition is nice. People always talk about YouTube needing competition. That is true, but Twitch needs it even more
The anger is more to do with Facebook being a shit alternative rather than that it's an alternative at all. If it had been Youtube exclusivity or something I don't think it would have been so bad
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On January 24 2018 14:30 WindWolf wrote:
Am I the only one that is legitimately happy that Twitch is actually getting some competition? I'm not saying that Facebook is the end all be all (The few streams I've watched on FB has been acceptable) but getting some competition is nice. People always talk about YouTube needing competition. That is true, but Twitch needs it even more
The fact that you don't even know about the existing competition that Facebook can't even match up to says about everything needed.
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People would begrudgingly watch Youtube, I'd begrudgingly watch hitbox. People have a problem with scumbag companies like Facebook, like criminal fronts like Azubu. Competition is fine but when you hook up with a hated company that does a ton of super unethical stuff people are going to have a problem.
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They shot themselves in the foot yesterday, today its like they decided F it, lemme put that gun in my mouth and star squeezing. Way to ruin any reputation you managed to have.
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On January 24 2018 14:45 OuchyDathurts wrote:
They shot themselves in the foot yesterday, today its like they decided F it, lemme put that gun in my mouth and star squeezing. Way to ruin any reputation you managed to have.
As I put it in the reddit thread,
Have you ever seen someone put themselves up on a cross, pass the mob a bunch of nails, and shout "CRUCIFY ME!!!" Because that's what we're seeing here. Remains to be seen what the mob decides to do.
and weirdly, ESL agreed with me.
Yup, I know that this is not popular with anyone, but I also think we should be upfront with you, even when you do not like it
https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/7skypn/on_streams_from_esl_genting/dt5kg84/
I guess his point is that they could have done it and just not openly said they were... but all this is really doing is speeding up the PR hate by a couple hours, as people were figuring it out anyways.
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Does howl work on PL illusions?
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On January 24 2018 14:53 OuchyDathurts wrote:
Does howl work on PL illusions?
It didn't in 2013, and I don't think it's been changed since.
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
Who is OD's co-caster and why does he have such a huge boner for EG? It's actually so annoying.
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On January 24 2018 15:00 cecek wrote:
Who is OD's co-caster and why does he have such a huge boner for EG? It's actually so annoying.
all the NA caster's do
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It's Trent, I love Trent. But I'm not watching the official cast so not sure what he's saying.
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wait you need to have facebook to watch this cause i dont have one????? well shit i guess ill watch bsj or something till they get banned
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I mean, OD has a hardon for liquid/secret, NA caster has boner for EG, theres not really anything new here
fwiw Im watching in client, and I didnt think it was too bad, but then again im an EG fan
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On January 24 2018 15:10 IMOrion wrote:
wait you need to have facebook to watch this cause i dont have one????? well shit i guess ill watch bsj or something till they get banned
I've got conflicting reports. But apparently if you use their weird URL then you don't need an account? I'm not completely sure.
On January 24 2018 15:10 Atreides wrote:
I mean, OD has a hardon for liquid/secret, NA caster has boner for EG, theres not really anything new here
fwiw Im watching in client, and I didnt think it was too bad, but then again im an EG fan
Yeah, all casters have a bias. For years they tried to pretend they didn't or "hide it". Personally I have no problem with bias and I'm glad casters have stopped caring about it.
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it depends on what you're watching on. If you're using a tablet people are saying you need an account
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On January 24 2018 15:14 Nevuk wrote:
it depends on what you're watching on. If you're using a tablet people are saying you need an account
Yeah, I watch on my TV through Chromecast on tablet. Been a frustrating experience
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Man, I drove to work when the second map of LFY-Mineski started ... and now I look at the result and think I could have watched it at home in full and not be late!
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On January 24 2018 06:48 Wineandbread wrote:
Is Facebook as a streaming service really that terrible for people? Despite the late start & apparently mic issues, I woke up today to catch the end of VP/VGT on the ESL website and it ran just fine for me. My only complaint would be that the stream is automuted by default for whatever reason. Seems like a lot of people are having issues with mobile too? - but to argue against that, Twitch's mobile app (on Android at least) is also pretty bad, stuttering/slow loading/ads for me in recent updates.
In terms of accessibility it's definitely on the bad side. I wouldn't have known where to see the official EN stream if not for the survival guide posted on reddit. Wonder if the in-game client viewing numbers had a significant boost compared to other tourneys.
The whole thing regarding ESL complaining about Bulldog or w/e is just bullocks; Valve specifically indicated anyone was free to broadcast within reason. Wonder how the ESL sponsors feel right now.
Anyway, hoping for PENTA to beat EG cause it'd be funny, Mineski to stay alive, and Liquid/Na'Vi to be decent games
Staying outside of the US, the facebook stream actually works better for me than twitch usually does (I can only get 480p to work well for me, 720p and above starts to lag), no matter how good my internet is. Its even better for me since I don't need a facebook account to watch it when I use the esl site.
I guess most others have issues using the mobile one, or so i've heard
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On January 24 2018 15:35 korendir wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2018 06:48 Wineandbread wrote:
Is Facebook as a streaming service really that terrible for people? Despite the late start & apparently mic issues, I woke up today to catch the end of VP/VGT on the ESL website and it ran just fine for me. My only complaint would be that the stream is automuted by default for whatever reason. Seems like a lot of people are having issues with mobile too? - but to argue against that, Twitch's mobile app (on Android at least) is also pretty bad, stuttering/slow loading/ads for me in recent updates.
In terms of accessibility it's definitely on the bad side. I wouldn't have known where to see the official EN stream if not for the survival guide posted on reddit. Wonder if the in-game client viewing numbers had a significant boost compared to other tourneys.
The whole thing regarding ESL complaining about Bulldog or w/e is just bullocks; Valve specifically indicated anyone was free to broadcast within reason. Wonder how the ESL sponsors feel right now.
Anyway, hoping for PENTA to beat EG cause it'd be funny, Mineski to stay alive, and Liquid/Na'Vi to be decent games Staying outside of the US, the facebook stream actually works better for me than twitch usually does (I can only get 480p to work well for me, 720p and above starts to lag), no matter how good my internet is. Its even better for me since I don't need a facebook account to watch it when I use the esl site. I guess most others have issues using the mobile one, or so i've heard
My Facebook stream also worked totally fine. I had a dormant Facebook account, just need to log in and voila!
I think all the technical issue is fabricated. those guys mostly have problem because its on Facebook.
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On January 24 2018 15:35 korendir wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2018 06:48 Wineandbread wrote:
Is Facebook as a streaming service really that terrible for people? Despite the late start & apparently mic issues, I woke up today to catch the end of VP/VGT on the ESL website and it ran just fine for me. My only complaint would be that the stream is automuted by default for whatever reason. Seems like a lot of people are having issues with mobile too? - but to argue against that, Twitch's mobile app (on Android at least) is also pretty bad, stuttering/slow loading/ads for me in recent updates.
In terms of accessibility it's definitely on the bad side. I wouldn't have known where to see the official EN stream if not for the survival guide posted on reddit. Wonder if the in-game client viewing numbers had a significant boost compared to other tourneys.
The whole thing regarding ESL complaining about Bulldog or w/e is just bullocks; Valve specifically indicated anyone was free to broadcast within reason. Wonder how the ESL sponsors feel right now.
Anyway, hoping for PENTA to beat EG cause it'd be funny, Mineski to stay alive, and Liquid/Na'Vi to be decent games Staying outside of the US, the facebook stream actually works better for me than twitch usually does (I can only get 480p to work well for me, 720p and above starts to lag), no matter how good my internet is. Its even better for me since I don't need a facebook account to watch it when I use the esl site. I guess most others have issues using the mobile one, or so i've heard
Yes, facebook is a lot better than twitch for SEA people. Twitch servers really sucks in SEA, where this tournament is held.
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On January 24 2018 15:44 Vertical wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2018 15:35 korendir wrote:On January 24 2018 06:48 Wineandbread wrote:
Is Facebook as a streaming service really that terrible for people? Despite the late start & apparently mic issues, I woke up today to catch the end of VP/VGT on the ESL website and it ran just fine for me. My only complaint would be that the stream is automuted by default for whatever reason. Seems like a lot of people are having issues with mobile too? - but to argue against that, Twitch's mobile app (on Android at least) is also pretty bad, stuttering/slow loading/ads for me in recent updates.
In terms of accessibility it's definitely on the bad side. I wouldn't have known where to see the official EN stream if not for the survival guide posted on reddit. Wonder if the in-game client viewing numbers had a significant boost compared to other tourneys.
The whole thing regarding ESL complaining about Bulldog or w/e is just bullocks; Valve specifically indicated anyone was free to broadcast within reason. Wonder how the ESL sponsors feel right now.
Anyway, hoping for PENTA to beat EG cause it'd be funny, Mineski to stay alive, and Liquid/Na'Vi to be decent games Staying outside of the US, the facebook stream actually works better for me than twitch usually does (I can only get 480p to work well for me, 720p and above starts to lag), no matter how good my internet is. Its even better for me since I don't need a facebook account to watch it when I use the esl site. I guess most others have issues using the mobile one, or so i've heard My Facebook stream also worked totally fine. I had a dormant Facebook account, just need to log in and voila! I think all the technical issue is fabricated. those guys mostly have problem because its on Facebook.
Mhmh I couldn't get the official stream to stay stable at 480p last night on my laptop but now I am watching 720p on my mobile phone from twitch with no issues. So at least for me the technical issues are real. But I have to admit I also have a problem it being facebook :D
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On January 24 2018 15:00 Doraemon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2018 15:00 cecek wrote:
Who is OD's co-caster and why does he have such a huge boner for EG? It's actually so annoying. all the NA caster's do
they live in an alternate reality where EG didn't get 2-0'd by Empire with a standin at TI and spent the next half year in struggle city
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On January 24 2018 16:06 TomatoBisque wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2018 15:00 Doraemon wrote:On January 24 2018 15:00 cecek wrote:
Who is OD's co-caster and why does he have such a huge boner for EG? It's actually so annoying. all the NA caster's do they live in an alternate reality where EG didn't get 2-0'd by Empire with a standin at TI and spent the next half year in struggle city
They're still stuck in TI5, to be honest.
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Facebook is less stable because it's not a streamlined streaming platform. It's not as easy to tab out of the video to read forums, it lags everytime I tab out though the sound remains. Interface is silly and not as easy to navigate.
In short, it's not horrible, but it is far from what twitch or even youtube could be. I've watched some older tournaments on FB before and while tolerable it always makes me want for a better platform.
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On January 24 2018 16:09 Caladbolg wrote:
Facebook is less stable because it's not a streamlined streaming platform. It's not as easy to tab out of the video to read forums, it lags everytime I tab out though the sound remains. Interface is silly and not as easy to navigate.
In short, it's not horrible, but it is far from what twitch or even youtube could be. I've watched some older tournaments on FB before and while tolerable it always makes me want for a better platform.
Yeah you can still watch it but twitch/youtube is just better.
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Well, facebook is no streaming platform; but want to be ... they want to be everything! They are basically the AOL of this era 
But cut to the point: Liquid vs. NaVi hype!
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Looking at the drafts, have we got enough playmaking potential beyond Gh's rubick? I mean that alone is a lot of potential but still ^^
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Sonneiko enchant? Strange since its not like he can't play tusk. Oh well always good to have a 5 that can play any 4.
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BSJ stream is amazing 
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Navi's only real initiator is General for most of this game. They are super scared of snowballing into calldown.
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Good fight by liquid! and just as you said, navi did snowball into calldown :D
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so glad the discussion is back to the game
HYPE!
VGJ the anti-NA
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Has anyone done the bracket math on whether fnatic and EG can meet prior to the finals? I wanna see the pizza party match up 
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coL is a pretty interesting case. Some people always like to talk about the influence of roster stability, but in coL's case it seems to me that their level compared to the field has been pretty stagnant after lineup changes. When they first brought in the Swedes 2015/2016, they immediately became a team that could qualify to events and win some games there but never really get that deep. Then they left, and coL struggled with their lineup for a year. Now Limmp and Chessie are back, coL immediately started qualifying to events again, but their lan results are pretty stagnant
On January 24 2018 17:13 emperorchampion wrote:Has anyone done the bracket math on whether fnatic and EG can meet prior to the finals? I wanna see the pizza party match up
No I think the finals is the only place they can meet. They can both only get 3rd spot in their groups so they should be on different sides of the bracket
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On January 24 2018 17:14 spudde123 wrote:
coL is a pretty interesting case. Some people always like to talk about the influence of roster stability, but in coL's case it seems to me that their level compared to the field has been pretty stagnant after lineup changes. When they first brought in the Swedes 2015/2016, they immediately became a team that could qualify to events and win some games there but never really get that deep. Then they left, and coL struggled with their lineup for a year. Now Limmp and Chessie are back, coL immediately started qualifying to events again, but their lan results are pretty stagnant
its just a prove that T3 Euro > T2 NA
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Swindle thinks col is improving and will one day finally rise to the top. Thing is col/swindle is only good enough to take the odd games off good teams occasionally and that's about it. The teams is going nowhere and has never been.
I respect swindle a lot for having his own approach of playing the game. Sadly I also recognise his limitation. His brother though is pretty good.
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i can't support TL playing tb and viper as cores
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This Liquid NaVi game turned pretty quick
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Hmm, seems like ESL main reason is that streamers directly compete with them. Is it even true? The main stream provides analyst desk, hype commentary etc. What streamers are doing is watching the game with viewers/friends and sharing inputs. It's not like streamers set up dedicated studios for their streams. It's not even like a direct casting competitor such as tobi commentating on the game. I don't see what case ESL have.
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Want to thank Crystallize for letting me borrow his account and play this game against the TI champs.
It's the only reasonable explanation I've got for why he TPed to mid there.
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liquid is suddenly winning lol
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how is anyone allowed to just channel meteor hammer in melee range and hit 2 heroes who aren't stunned or slowed
there's no justice in this world
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secret / vp in one bracket, and potential TI rematch on the other side. What a tournament!
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poor waga doesnt understand the power of lycan. why would he go back to base when he have 40hp regen
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VG's Lycan+Omni+SF is pretty depressing to fight into when behind. Felt like Fnatic really needed all their plays with Axe to work or they just lose. Not sure if they could have done better in the lanes somehow
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Is there any chance of fnatic mounting a comeback vs VG? First game didn't promise a lot.
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On January 24 2018 17:53 DucK- wrote:
Hmm, seems like ESL main reason is that streamers directly compete with them. Is it even true? The main stream provides analyst desk, hype commentary etc. What streamers are doing is watching the game with viewers/friends and sharing inputs. It's not like streamers set up dedicated studios for their streams. It's not even like a direct casting competitor such as tobi commentating on the game. I don't see what case ESL have.
Well, it's technically true. With streamers the FB stream gets like 3-digit viewership. Without streamers they got up to 4-digit.
So they've got a steaming turd and shutting down restreams is their attempt to polish it.
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I like Fnatic's approach to g2 draft much better than g1. Not sure if they win but at least they are very comfortable playing this sort of game
Nice Zeus pick by VG though
VG is outplaying Fnatic atm. They got some nice wards down and are using them well
Nvm Fnatic took down 4 with a nice smoke right as I said that
Abed's Tinker is really farmed but seems like it's hard for him to have a big impact in fights. Fnatic hasn't managed to get a single fight on their terms for the last 20 minutes, Warlock getting caught a few times now
Fnatic won a rosh fight but are having a hard time breaking base against Zeus, ET etc. Zeus defending with double Nimbus lol. Somehow feels like VG will win this game in the end.
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On January 24 2018 18:44 spudde123 wrote:
I like Fnatic's approach to g2 draft much better than g1. Not sure if they win but at least they are very comfortable playing this sort of game
Nice Zeus pick by VG though
VG is outplaying Fnatic atm. They got some nice wards down and are using them well
Nvm Fnatic took down 4 with a nice smoke right as I said that
Abed's Tinker is really farmed but seems like it's hard for him to have a big impact in fights. Fnatic hasn't managed to get a single fight on their terms for the last 20 minutes, Warlock getting caught a few times now
nice report bro
please keep it up
I'm stuck in the office
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Abed just did a complete dieback without getting a single spell of it seemed. VG now tried to end the game but a huge toss play by Universe saved the game for now
Noone has buybacks left in this game. Fnatic maybe won unless Zeus defends on his own.
Fnatic took megas but they can't hit the throne because Zeus+ET can defend from their fountain
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I'm following via trackdota and Fnatic vs VG had one of the craziest back and forth
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dk not picking up the refresher shard cost them the fight :D
what a clowny game
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EElEEvEEn playing more ee than ee
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VG just got mega creep'ed
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The bottom fight where Abed died twice was pretty funny. He got caught the first time by zeus ult + nimbus canceling his blink, then bought back and blinked straight into double nimbus and died again
The game isn't over by any means I think. Fnatic can't actually push against this Zeus. Might be a long one if VG decide to play conservative and just sit in base
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
this game is really high on entertainment value
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362 duel dmg on young eleven.
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but I dont think VG have a line up that can hold on that long
especially against a full beefed TB
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EE just sundered to save Abed and died himself lol
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VG is probably going to win. Infinite scaling by LC, and zeus can hold well against megas.
Think tinker refreshing 800 damage dagon is strong? Zeus has a fucking 300 aoe dmg nuke with 1.6s cd that also zaps 10% of everyone's hp.
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
Clown fiesta - the game brought to you by fnatic and VG
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it has actually become a very good aghs game for LC
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Not convinced even this no bb window and aegis+cheese+refresher will do it for Fnatic. VG will just sit in base with Zeus and zap them down
And now EE bkbd by accident (didn't see fully what happened?)
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I didnt play ever since Dota 7.00, did zeus become a legit late gamer now?
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LC needs to get aghs refresher or some shit and just go yolo
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eleven is high on his 420 dmg and just feeds away. what a guy
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Lmfao this game is nuts
At least now Fnatic has a bb advantage that somewhat matters. If they kill Zeus they should be able to end
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And they can't even end the game 5v3 lmao
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vg gets ahead in gold by farming megas....
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The more they throw, the more they are pressured to try and end the game.
Negative feedback loop.
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Abed with the fast fingers avoids the duel and Young Eleven dead without bb
Just another day at the office
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Bane with Maelstorm, wohooo the anti push
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Eleven =(. He played like he was still the sacrificial initiator when he was walking around with 500+ duel damage.
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On January 24 2018 20:23 babysimba wrote:
Eleven =(. He played like he was still the sacrificial initiator when he was walking around with 500+ duel damage.
thats him in a nutshell. way too volatile imo
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Fnatic is doing a pretty nice job defending their t1 bottom tower and DJ has some great farm and levels on Tusk
Fenrir's KotL is dangerously farmed too though
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this game seems really over tho
OD is worthless
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EE is going for bfury this time around. I don't think he has done it before. I guess illusions are pretty worthless against OD, LC, KotL
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ok, maybe is not that over
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Fnatic's teamfight is not great at all at this stage of the game so they have to largely dodge. The Tiny just dies when going in and OD can save the guy he jumps on if he is in position.
Also the KotL is getting aghs relatively soon so VG has potential to do well for quite some time still before the TB really gets items
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On January 24 2018 21:17 spudde123 wrote:
Fnatic's teamfight is not great at all at this stage of the game so they have to largely dodge. The Tiny just dies when going in and OD can save the guy he jumps on if he is in position.
Also the KotL is getting aghs relatively soon so VG has potential to do well for quite some time still before the TB really gets items
but didnt OD eats illusion like breakfast?
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Massive fight for Fnatic
On January 24 2018 21:20 Vertical wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2018 21:17 spudde123 wrote:
Fnatic's teamfight is not great at all at this stage of the game so they have to largely dodge. The Tiny just dies when going in and OD can save the guy he jumps on if he is in position.
Also the KotL is getting aghs relatively soon so VG has potential to do well for quite some time still before the TB really gets items but didnt OD eats illusion like breakfast?
Yes but TB is going for bfury + yasha + bkb (not relying on illus so heavily) and they have Dazzle + Tusk to save him from duel (unlike last game) so he should still be capable of doing good damage in fights
Next night time Fnatic probably will try to get a big fight. It ended up being relatively obvious and Fnatic got outplayed in the fight
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rofl fnatic how do you lose that
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Because the Tiny got dueled they ended up being a bit spread and couldn't concentrate their damage on a single target. If only the Tiny was able to jump on DP with the rest of the team it would have been an easy fight. Now TB couldn't really hit a stationary target and I don't think Abed hit anyone on any of his spells
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I fucking hate bfury on tb and pl. Those heroes need stats, they already farm very fast.
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Again there was potential for a clean fight by Fnatic but that tornado by Abed screwed it up pretty badly
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would legion go for +40 damage duel?
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On January 24 2018 21:38 Faruko wrote:
would legion go for +40 damage duel?
he did in previous game
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what a terrible throw there at the end.
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90min of tinker and then an invoker?
fatigue on abed's fingers should really kick in hard.
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Well a deserved victory for VG I think, they seemed to outplay Fnatic large parts of the game in games 2 and 3 even if they lost game 2. In game 3 Fnatic had the chances to win the game pretty easy, they even took 2 pretty decent looking fights that could have been wipes it seemed but they just didn't execute well enough. Also Abed's Invoker seemed to have no impact on the game at all
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Seems like TB doesn't feel that strong when you have no good reflection enemies to make use of
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On January 24 2018 21:46 babysimba wrote:
Seems like TB doesn't feel that strong when you have no good reflection enemies to make use of
core OD just totally made TB in awkward position where he cannot use his skill as he used to
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On January 24 2018 21:46 babysimba wrote:
Seems like TB doesn't feel that strong when you have no good reflection enemies to make use of
Yea, but VG also had really good heroes to clear illusions as it was a 1st phase TB. Also KotL and OD smash the actual TB once bkb is down, so Fnatic really needed to get full use of his bkb duration to kill one good target but they never got a fight like that. It's not easy of course against OD astral when you don't have some big aoe stun and instead you only rely on Tiny and Tusk to keep them in place
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that's a lot of dota. any recommended games?
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I was afraid Liquid would finally crumble, but wow those games man, they're still so good :p
We should have some pretty good matchups from now.
Also it seems everyone is over reacting on reddit about the various ESL dramas.
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Lol, bye bye Fnatic. Thank Vici
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On January 25 2018 02:21 calippo wrote:
where can I find vods?
nvm found em
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who is casting with wagamma on esl genting (VP secret and liquid newbee) - recognise the english voice but don't know who it is not on liquipedia
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What a great final series and tournament although this ESL Facebook Stream really sucked... If you want the see the all the VODs / replays please check out www.dotavods.net , a website I am currently building for the community and all Dota 2 Fans. It is ment for people with limited time to find the best Dota 2 VODs. Enjoy
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