EPT[LR] The International II - 2012 - Page 210
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GranDGranT
Sri Lanka2141 Posts
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Pseudoku
Canada1279 Posts
On August 29 2012 08:53 Azarkon wrote: They just need a carry on the level of, say, Xboct / Pajkatt to be able to perform well. I don't know what you've been watching, but XBOCT is a terrible carry. | ||
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dtz
5834 Posts
So col vs Zenith and Navi vs DK. I feel like the way DK has been playing this tournament will really suit Navi well. Navi is probably best when they are holding tower and map advantage. DK has been kinda lacklustre in early game sometimes this tournament and often need to come back from behind while relying on Burning. That's harder to do against Navi than anyone else( maybe that's just their game plan though) IG > EG. Easy 2-0 win probably. I just hope that EG won't try to do cheese push aoe strats anymore. Not gonna work against Chinese teams as proven on Day 1. If Fear and Bulba and Demon are on form and they got an early advantage like Darer did, i think EG should have more patience and late game understanding to capitalize. Not gonna be easy by any means though. Zenith > Col 2-1. To be honest , if zenith is on form, it won't be close. But that's the thing with zenith, you never know which hyhy or ice are gonna show up. Navi > DK 2-1. Just for the sake of spicing things up. If i were a betting man though, DK > Navi 2-1 with Dendi pudge taking game 1 and being banned the rest of the series. LGD > Orange 2-0. If Orange wants to put any fight, Mushi and Yamateh need to be really on form. Winter has been playing well but ice hasn't been. | ||
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superstartran
United States4013 Posts
On August 29 2012 10:39 Azarkon wrote: That's because Complexity studies the Chinese - and the Asians in general - and they scrim a lot with them. POTM Bottom, same thing. The rise of these two teams has a lot to do with them being able to study and scrim with Chinese teams, because China <-> US is playable while China <-> EU is not. EU Dota, minus Na'Vi and to an extent mTw, has gotten too full of itself and too ignorant about the Chinese scene. Puppey said the only preparation he did vs. the Chinese was watching their official online games - in which, obviously, the Chinese got stomped - so he said he didn't understand their picks. In the Na'Vi TI 2 interview on Day 2, LoH said that Na'Vi has had to study and learn on the spot after iG stomped them, and now thinks the Chinese do what they do because they think 2-3 steps ahead of their opponents. I have better faith in Na'Vi now because of it - they do adapt very fast. Puppey believing that online play from the Chinese has any bearing on how they will do on LAN is absolutely stupid and astounding all at the same time. On August 29 2012 11:38 dtz wrote: Apparently IG chose EG and LGD chose Orange. So col vs Zenith and Navi vs DK. I feel like the way DK has been playing this tournament will really suit Navi well. Navi is probably best when they are holding tower and map advantage. DK has been kinda lacklustre in early game sometimes this tournament ( maybe that's just their game plan) Na'vi is going to have to play ridiculously good and XBOCT is gonna have to not play like an idiot for them to beat DK. | ||
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Oktyabr
Singapore2234 Posts
On August 29 2012 11:38 dtz wrote: Apparently IG chose EG and LGD chose Orange. So col vs Zenith and Navi vs DK. I feel like the way DK has been playing this tournament will really suit Navi well. Navi is probably best when they are holding tower and map advantage. DK has been kinda lacklustre in early game sometimes this tournament and often need to come back from behind while relying on Burning. That's harder to do against Navi than anyone else( maybe that's just their game plan though) IG > EG. Easy 2-0 win probably. I just hope that EG won't try to do cheese push aoe strats anymore. Not gonna work against Chinese teams as proven on Day 1. Zenith > Col 2-1. To be honest , if zenith is on form, it won't be close. But that's the thing with zenith, you never know which hyhy or ice are gonna show up. Navi > DK 2-1 LGD > Orange 2-0. If Orange want to put any fight, Mushi and Yamateh need to be really on form. Winter has been playing well but ice hasn't been. http://dota2.replays.net/page/20120828/1722174.html According to Burning's short interview, he says that DK gets into the zone later in the game because their lineups tend to come into effect later. http://dota2.replays.net/page/20120828/1722369.html Above is the whole list of short interviews conducted by BBC (the chinese commentator) with several Chinese players. xiao8 says that m5 is too weak, and DD says that fighting aL feels like beating up little kids. | ||
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dtz
5834 Posts
On August 29 2012 11:46 Oktyabr wrote: http://dota2.replays.net/page/20120828/1722174.html According to Burning's short interview, he says that DK gets into the zone later in the game because their lineups tend to come into effect later. http://dota2.replays.net/page/20120828/1722369.html Above is the whole list of short interviews conducted by BBC (the chinese commentator) with several Chinese players. xiao8 says that m5 is too weak, and DD says that fighting aL feels like beating up little kids. I understand that might have been on purpose judging from the lineup. Navi likes being on the commanding position though. Whether that will be enough to stop the DK momentum from rolling over in the mid-late game, i'm not sure. But it will be interesting to see what happens if Dendi's pudge or puck gets into a rolling start and Navi somehow managed to take out all DK outer towers say within 10/15 minutes. Does DK then have the same patience like IG did when they read and predicted Darer's 3 smoke ganks in a row. | ||
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superstartran
United States4013 Posts
On August 29 2012 11:56 dtz wrote: I understand that might have been on purpose judging from the lineup. Navi likes being on the commanding position though. Whether that will be enough to stop the DK momentum from rolling over in the mid-late game, i'm not sure. But it will be interesting to see what happens if Dendi's pudge or puck gets into a rolling start and Navi somehow managed to take out all DK outer towers say within 10/15 minutes. Does DK then have the same patience like IG did when they read and predicted Darer's 3 smoke ganks in a row. Dendi getting on a roll would mean Super isn't pulling his weight, which is a possibility but highly unlikely. DK's play is probably going to be too solid and Burning will get big enough to just put Na'vi down. | ||
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Dacendoran
United States825 Posts
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dtz
5834 Posts
Regarding coL, I been watching Jeyo's stream but I am not really familiar with his history and background really. He has been impressive so far this tournament. But can he solo mid with the best of them? I just hope for the sake of good games, coL won't try tide long lane anymore. There is no way a team with teamfighting as good as Zenith will get 3-5 man ravaged by an underleveled underfarmed Tidehunter. | ||
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Oktyabr
Singapore2234 Posts
On August 29 2012 11:56 dtz wrote: I understand that might have been on purpose judging from the lineup. Navi likes being on the commanding position though. Whether that will be enough to stop the DK momentum from rolling over in the mid-late game, i'm not sure. But it will be interesting to see what happens if Dendi's pudge or puck gets into a rolling start and Navi somehow managed to take out all DK outer towers say within 10/15 minutes. Does DK then have the same patience like IG did when they read and predicted Darer's 3 smoke ganks in a row. Afterwards Burning then says that teams outside of China tend to play lineups that favor the early game, but they are really confident of their draft because by its nature, it has a larger room for error and hence it gives them opportunities to make a comeback later. All in all, they have faith in ensuring that Burning gets to roll everyone over eventually  | ||
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Jisall
United States2054 Posts
On August 29 2012 12:04 dtz wrote: Very unlikely that Dendi would outclass Super i agree. Probably he had to have a lot of help from Puppey and Ars-Art or get a lot of tower kills. Regarding coL, I been watching Jeyo's stream but I am not really familiar with his history and background really. He has been impressive so far this tournament. But can he solo mid with the best of them? I just hope for the sake of good games, coL won't try tide long lane anymore. There is no way a team with teamfighting as good as Zenith will get 3-5 man ravaged by an underleveled underfarmed Tidehunter. All dendi needs is pudka. I think he is undefeated with him this tourneyment. | ||
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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
~ BBC: Why do Western Teams' early advantages get reversed so often? Zhou: Its a lineup problem, Western team don't like grabbing traditional carries and favor the early game instead. They like using Jugg and Tiny, which can fight at 10 minutes, so they are very strong in the early game, and the carries of the Chinese team mature later, which leads to that result. BBC: At this point, which teams understand lineups the best? Burning: iG and LGD BBC: You guys (iG) went 5-1 yesterday, are you satisfied, why did u lose a game to Ehome? YYF: Acceptable, Ehome picked tiny, so which was cheesy, we didn't react well and lost. BBC: Congrats on sweeping both days, 12-0 locks first in the group, tell us about the games with AL, were they easy? DD: We won against AL pretty easily, it was pretty much like beating up little kids. BBC: How do u feel about M5? LongDD: We will treat them seriously, M5 has the idol Vigoss, I'd like to defeat him with my own hands, but I'll feel a bit sad. (LOL inb4 DOJ) | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
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Ack1027
United States7873 Posts
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LuckoftheIrish
United States4791 Posts
On August 29 2012 08:13 Azarkon wrote: It disappoints me that Nirvana.cn is no longer around to compete with iG, DK, and LGD, organization wise, and that Ehome has gone down hill in its finances and organizational ability. Also sad that WE and Tyloo both don't give enough damn about their Dota teams to up their play. Nirvana.CN. :-( :-( :-( :-( :-( :-( :-( :-( :-( :-( Banana was so good. Remember that game when Mushi basically single-handedly beat EHOME at ESTC with Puck? Banana's Puck was that good all the time. And DGC is still the best Enigma player ever. | ||
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quannguyen
Vietnam1390 Posts
On August 29 2012 12:17 Azarkon wrote: M5 was a complete fail this TI 2. I wonder what Vigoss is going to do after it. Every team which has both PGG and Vigoss are doomed to fall sooner or later (TR, the old M5 ad now this), which is sad cuz Vigoss is my absolute favorite  | ||
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lifeisgood99
Canada915 Posts
On August 29 2012 12:56 LuckoftheIrish wrote: Nirvana.CN. :-( :-( :-( :-( :-( :-( :-( :-( :-( :-( Banana was so good. Remember that game when Mushi basically single-handedly beat EHOME at ESTC with Puck? Banana's Puck was that good all the time. And DGC is still the best Enigma player ever. Where is DGC now? inactive? I remember him for his enigma lol | ||
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Garnet
Vietnam9033 Posts
Also, people need to start banning Morph!!. | ||
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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
On August 29 2012 13:23 lifeisgood99 wrote: Where is DGC now? inactive? I remember him for his enigma lol DGC retired for a while, then got tapped when a new team "royal" was formed, which is at this point probably around 3rd tier in china. | ||
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