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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
On February 15 2015 02:52 MidnightFox wrote: it has 350 radius. which means that two heroes needs to be 175 from each other for the ulti to work. does not compute | ||
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eieio
United States14512 Posts
On February 15 2015 03:28 MidnightFox wrote: If I say the area is about as big as hitting more than one with Sven's stormhammer is that correct? No, WW's ult literally has almost twice the AoE of Sven's storm hammer. | ||
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
its a 3s unchanneled black hole .. | ||
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xxpack09
United States2160 Posts
On February 14 2015 09:14 Nevuk wrote: She's the same speed as CM. Frosty beings unite The difference is WW has like 800+ range on all skills where CM has a range of 500 on her W and needs to get right in the middle of things to ult effectively. I don't find WW's lack of movespeed nearly as frustrating as CM's. | ||
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
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TomatoBisque
United States6290 Posts
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misirlou
Portugal3241 Posts
On February 15 2015 05:19 TomatoBisque wrote: The scaling on Embrace is pretty bad imo, especially early game when people have like 1000HP, -1s cd and like +40HP healed is meh. early game 1k hp? woot. most heroes don't get 1k hp till well into mid game. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On February 15 2015 02:52 MidnightFox wrote: I have played her a couple of times and this is what i think: q is very strong. Her best skill. Very strong in the laning face and very strong in lategame teamfights you can sit behind the fight and dish out damage. w is quite weak. it is hard to land as it doesnt damage primary target. It is useful lategame in teamfights, but not very useful for ganks early. e is good for sustain you can heal yourself or your teammates. I think soulring as first item is core on her, because of how much healing this does. By the way the tooltip is wrong it heals alot more than the tooltip says. r the ulti is very weak. It is probably the hardest ulti to land a good one in the game. it is much harder than enigmas back hole or axe berserkers call. because with both of them you can put them between two heroes. with this one you target on hero and it has 350 radius. which means that two heroes needs to be 175 from each other for the ulti to work. It is just very weak as an ulti in my opinion and needs a buff. It can work sometimes but against decent players they will know to spread out and make it useless. I think it is best to max Q and then E and take ulti whenever you can. I think you should build a soulring first along with support items. If you have the monies I think phaseboots are good and then go for attackdamage items like a maelstrom. You have 6 sec of 1000 attack range with your q. thats great in teamfights, you can go for a glasscanon build with it. W and R are too unreliable that I rather take the reliable damage with Q and build up good autoattacks. You max W over Q because it simply offers more versatility than your Q. In addition, the lower cooldown and larger damage let's you achieve more overall. | ||
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xxpack09
United States2160 Posts
On February 15 2015 05:39 Torte de Lini wrote: You max W over Q because it simply offers more versatility than your Q. In addition, the lower cooldown and larger damage let's you achieve more overall. More importantly (imo), E has TERRIBLE scaling compared to both Q and W, especially in the early-mid game. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On February 15 2015 04:07 xxpack09 wrote: The difference is WW has like 800+ range on all skills where CM has a range of 500 on her W and needs to get right in the middle of things to ult effectively. I don't find WW's lack of movespeed nearly as frustrating as CM's. CM's nova is like 1000 range effectively, it's pretty comparable to WW q actually but is burstier in nature so better at low levels. They're hard heroes to compare, WW is probably my favorite hero right now but WW feels like a super strong late game support with poor laning presence while CM is the opposite. Using WW's Q to escape by flying over cliffs is somehow way funnier to me than when phoenix or batrider fly over cliffs. Also stealing runes. | ||
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xxpack09
United States2160 Posts
On February 15 2015 06:18 Nevuk wrote: CM's nova is like 1000 range effectively, it's pretty comparable to WW q actually but is burstier in nature so better at low levels. They're hard heroes to compare, WW is probably my favorite hero right now but WW feels like a super strong late game support with poor laning presence while CM is the opposite. Using WW's Q to escape by flying over cliffs is somehow way funnier to me than when phoenix or batrider fly over cliffs. Also stealing runes. Yeah sure, but CM still has to get in the middle of the fight more than wyvern does because she has low range spells in addition to her 1 high range spell, whereas everything WW does is super high range (1000, 1200, 1000, 800). I do agree with your 2nd point though--I feel like WW is quite a weak/greedy laner that doesn't do much until lvl 6, but has a strong lategame presence who is especially good at anti-push and teamfight, while CM is quite strong for her whole team in the early levels but falls off because her ult is too difficult to use effectively without massive amounts of farm which she struggles to secure. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On February 15 2015 07:17 xxpack09 wrote: Their farming capacities are one of the other easily compared differences - WW can clear massive stacks easily but can't jungle from level 1 the way CM can.Yeah sure, but CM still has to get in the middle of the fight more than wyvern does because she has low range spells in addition to her 1 high range spell, whereas everything WW does is super high range (1000, 1200, 1000, 800). I do agree with your 2nd point though--I feel like WW is quite a weak/greedy laner that doesn't do much until lvl 6, but has a strong lategame presence who is especially good at anti-push and teamfight, while CM is quite strong for her whole team in the early levels but falls off because her ult is too difficult to use effectively without massive amounts of farm which she struggles to secure. And the range on WW spells are why her low movespeed really doesn't matter that much. That said, the main reason to level the Q/E are for lower CDs, they already do the majority of what you need from a single point. Getting 1000 range auto attacks is nice but if you hit someone one time during a gank then there's little point hitting them multiple times (due to the debuff not stacking and WW having shitty auto damage). And the physical damage block duration is the same at every level, the spell would be very good even if it had no heal component. Someone was commenting in a game that I played her that the issue with her ult was that a lot of things won't proc (like mjolnir) on the autos. Her ults strong enough without those effects anyways though. | ||
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broodbucket
Australia963 Posts
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TomatoBisque
United States6290 Posts
On February 15 2015 05:33 misirlou wrote: early game 1k hp? woot. most heroes don't get 1k hp till well into mid game. well, in the level 7-10 range it's easy to get for most heroes Either way the spell's scaling isn't good enough to warrant maxing over her other spells | ||
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aeroblaster
United States422 Posts
On February 15 2015 08:24 broodbucket wrote: Interesting stat: WW already has 200k more pub games played than Chen. A lot of players avoid Chen entirely, even though he isn't actually that hard to play. People are scared of micro sometimes and just want one unit to control, which is true for most heroes. | ||
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broodbucket
Australia963 Posts
On February 15 2015 09:15 aeroblaster wrote: A lot of players avoid Chen entirely, even though he isn't actually that hard to play. People are scared of micro sometimes and just want one unit to control, which is true for most heroes. The weirdest thing is that Visage has even less games played than Chen, even though at low levels of play I'm pretty sure you could just box the birds and be fine, Soul Assumption is so good...but people are terrified of micro | ||
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Kishin2
United States7534 Posts
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
lanings ok if u max q, w's alright versus low range heroes too | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
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